Presidential Debate

[tbs fanatic]

Is anyone going to watch the Debate tonight? I hear McCain is going to be there now. I have to say I have been glued to the tv. Everyday there seems to be some new drama going on. It's all mindboggling. When is the VP debate? I'm not sure I can sit through that one. I think Biden is going to chew Palin up. I'm actually feeling sorry for her. McCain should of let her get used to handling the media and off-the-cuff questions. He's made a huge mistake keeping her shielded.

[Prettymaid]

I am planning on watching tonight. The VP nominees are scheduled to go at it on Oct. 2.

[TimothyBFan]

You bet I will be watching!!! This oughta be good!!!!:fight:

[ticky]

I cant watch those things. I tend to get angry and throw things at the TV. If I had a basket of Nerf balls or something like that it'd be ok. But usually Im holding a glass or the remote or Sarah, that just doesnt go over well..
I'll read about it the next day, get Cliffy's opinion, watch The daily show and the Colbert Report then form some opinions *G*

[tbs fanatic]

I see Palin did a second Katie Couric interview but this time McCain was there also. I thought that made things even worse for her. He looked like he was there to make sure she didn't screw up anymore. Could they be keeping her any more constrained. Geez, I would be screaming to get away from them, by now, if I were her.

[TimothyBFan]

Makes you wonder, if they think that they need to shelter her that much, how do they think she can possibly be ready for the office of vice president.

[Glennsallnighter]

I tend to get angry and throw things at the TV.
But usually Im holding a glass or the remote or Sarah, that just doesnt go over well..
I'll read about it the next day, get Cliffy's opinion, watch The daily show and the Colbert Report then form some opinions *G*

lol Ticky! I'm sure Sarah might object!!

[tbs fanatic]

:hilarious: Well the VP Debate is tonight. I hope it's not too 'cringe inducing'.

[tbs fanatic]

Surprise, surprise. Palin did not do too bad :shock: Although she was not good at actually giving a direct answer and was a bit too 'folksy' - Mmmmm I'll give her some goody points for not dissolving into a complete wreck. Biden was as expected although I thought he was a little too nice to her.

[tbs fanatic]

What did you think of the last debate? I thought McCain gave his best performance yet. Why didn't he do that in all the debates? It's a mystery. I thought Obama did well but was not up to his usual standard. Apparently the polls show Obama as winning the debate. I thought it was very interesting when they were asked about their VP picks. Obama was very clear in stating that he thought Biden would do well if he should have to step into the Presidential spot but McCain did not say the same thing about Palin. He waffled on about how great she was but never actually said 'Yes, I think she would be able to handle being President' - I thought that was a bit of a slap in the face for Palin. What did you think?

[Prettymaid]

I also thought McCain did well, and was surprised that none of the pundits agreed with me. I suppose they are right - it probably did not make enough of a difference.

As to McCain not giving Palin enough of an endorsment, I think I do agree with the pundits there - he doesn't seem to be good at finishing his point and bringing his message home. But I don't think he intentionally dissed her.

[eaglesvet]

I just read that ex-Sec'y State (under Bush 1) Colin Powell, obviously a Republican, is endorsing Obama! Interesting turn of events! He says it's not a racial thing, but a qualifications/judgement thing. I agree.

[eaglesvet]

Sorry, Powell served under GW Bush, I realized.

[Prettymaid]

Not looking good for Senator McCain...

[Freypower]

I have a suggestion for a Palin T shirt:

'Sarah Palin - Prelude To Obscurity'.

:rolleyes:

To those of you who like her, I'm sorry, but it occurred to me, and I had to use it.

[eaglesvet]

I love that...I bet SNL and Tina Fey would too! (I guess especially if Glenn were the musical guest, which has pretty much no chance of happening...)

[tbs fanatic]

Well, I didn't think the SNL show on Saturday (with Palin) was very funny. She didn't do much of anything. The Palin/Amy Poehler bit was sort of funny but not great. They should of done a 'show-down' between Fey and Palin or something like that. LOL - it really is mind-boggling how spot-on Tina Fey's impersonation is. :woah:

[Freypower]

I know we have a few Christians on this board who will perhaps understand where Mrs Palin is coming from on this:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/23/2398989.htm

To me, a non-Christian, it's like she is saying 'vote for the Republicans if you want your country to remain Christian and righteous as opposed to athiest and socialist, etc'.

It's 'in God's hands'. Does that mean if Obama wins, the US has been forsaken by Mrs Palin's God?

The stuff about 'the power of the prayer' surely is not only confined to people on her side of politics. She makes it sound as if she has a monopoly on it. I find it disturbing. I expect that people will disagree with me on this and I understand it. You'll say 'she's just expressing her faith' which I guess is fair enough, but it really jars with me.

I am just saying that we just do not have this overwhelming religiosity attached to our politicians in Australia. They don't invoke God every time they have something to say and they certainly don't say the election is 'in God's hands'. I thought it was in the voters' hands. The US is very different - 'God' bless it.

[tbs fanatic]

I am just saying that we just do not have this overwhelming religiosity attached to our politicians in Australia. They don't invoke God every time they have something to say and they certainly don't say the election is 'in God's hands'. I thought it was in the voters' hands. The US is very different - 'God' bless it.


I'm originally from the UK (now living in the US) and have always found it odd how American politicians invoke God at every opportunity. It is really a non-issue with politicians in England also. Tony Blair was vocal about his religion but he's the only one I can think of. I might add (at the risk of ticking everyone in US off) I think it's weird how the National Anthem is sung before sporting events - lol. I might add that my hubby is American and he always rolls his eyes and doesn't participate when they do this so perhaps he has biased me over the years.

[TimothyBFan]

I agree tbsf about the religion thing being a main issue when it comes to politics. I truly believe they should never mix. But I must disagree with you on the National Anthem thing ---I am very proud to be an American (no matter what the shape of this nation is now) and I don't care where the National Anthem is played, I treat it with the utmost respect by standing and placing my hand over my heart as a sign of respect! We aren't the only nation is this world that plays their anthem before sporting events or other events. I know the Canadian anthem is played before hockey games (been there) and I have seen God Save The Queen played before events on tv. Just my 2 cents-but everyone is entitled to their opinions!

[Prettymaid]

I know we have a few Christians on this board who will perhaps understand where Mrs Palin is coming from on this:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/10/23/2398989.htm

To me, a non-Christian, it's like she is saying 'vote for the Republicans if you want your country to remain Christian and righteous as opposed to athiest and socialist, etc'.

It's 'in God's hands'. Does that mean if Obama wins, the US has been forsaken by Mrs Palin's God?

The stuff about 'the power of the prayer' surely is not only confined to people on her side of politics. She makes it sound as if she has a monopoly on it. I find it disturbing. I expect that people will disagree with me on this and I understand it. You'll say 'she's just expressing her faith' which I guess is fair enough, but it really jars with me.

I am just saying that we just do not have this overwhelming religiosity attached to our politicians in Australia. They don't invoke God every time they have something to say and they certainly don't say the election is 'in God's hands'. I thought it was in the voters' hands. The US is very different - 'God' bless it.

FP, are you lost? You're on the Eagles message board. Why bring up such a controversial topic?
Keeping this in it's correct context, Gov. Palin was being interviewed by Dr. James Dobson on his national Christian radio show. Of course God is going to come up! I cannot find one quote in the article that makes it sound as if she is putting God on the side of the republicans. By "putting this in God's hands", I assume she is speaking as a human saying she has done all she can.

Look, I don't know what's in the hearts and minds of Senators McCain and Obama or their running mates. I just know that I am tired of the hatred and harshness. Why can't we just disagree? Why must we hate? We don't even know them!
We're just a bunch of Eagles fans who, if you live in the U.S., happen to be voting in a national election this year. This is just a bit too controversial for this board, IMO.

[tbs fanatic]

I agree tbsf about the religion thing being a main issue when it comes to politics. I truly believe they should never mix. But I must disagree with you on the National Anthem thing ---I am very proud to be an American (no matter what the shape of this nation is now) and I don't care where the National Anthem is played, I treat it with the utmost respect by standing and placing my hand over my heart as a sign of respect! We aren't the only nation is this world that plays their anthem before sporting events or other events. I know the Canadian anthem is played before hockey games (been there) and I have seen God Save The Queen played before events on tv. Just my 2 cents-but everyone is entitled to their opinions!

Oh I'm sure everyone who participates in this feels good about it. I just think it's overdone. As for GSTQ being played before events in UK?? When I was young and TV ended at midnight - they played the National Anthem then and they play it at Royal/Government events but I think that's about it. Well, maybe when England makes it to The World Cup (soccer championship) or something major like that. It just seems when it is so overdone that everyone is just going through the motions, but what do I know.

[TimothyBFan]

tbsf--you are probably right about the "going thru the motions". It's like anything else, it just doesn't seem "special" any more if overdone. I definitely see your point there. I guess my Marine Corp dad just pounded it into our heads so much that when it is played, you stand, take off your hat and cover your heart, that I just don't even think about it anymore. I still see my father having tears run down his face everytime he ever heard it played (that and the Marine Corp hymn).

[Prettymaid]

I went to an Illinois Fighting Illini football game a couple of weeks ago and , of course, they played the national anthem. I stood, placed my hand over my heart, looked at the flag and got emotional. Just because they play it at every event doesn't mean I'm there at every event. When I'm standing there with thousands of other Americans paying tribute to my country it does not feel overdone. It's very different when you are there as opposed to just seeing it on t.v.

[TimothyBFan]

PM-like I said earlier today--I also am proud to be an American and would never consider not participating when it is sung. I too get very emotional when I hear it, and I do believe it is because my father instilled in us exactly what it was all about and why we pay tribute and show respect when it was played. But I can also see why someone would feel that it is overdone, especially if you were not raised in this country. I however have been known to tap someone on the shoulder and tell them to take off their hat and show some respect when I see people ignoring it while it is being played. That to me is just unAmerican and I will not condone that! Again, everyone is entitled to their opinion even if we don't all agree on it.

[tbs fanatic]

I'm sure it means a lot to many and I will leave it at that.

[Freypower]

It's interesting that this has come up. In Australia the national anthem is played before major football games. The players stand there and try to pretend they know the words. In recent years they've stood with hands on hearts just like the Americans. It is not an Australian tradition and I wish it hadn't suddenly become fashionable (NB I don't object to Americans placing hands on hearts - its what they do - but I don't see why we should slavishly copy them).

In England the most moving thing they do is sing Abide With Me at the FA Cup Final, but I believe they do also play God Save The Queen. At Anfield the Liverpool national anthem is played - no other team has anything like You'll Never Walk Alone.

And PM, no, I'm not lost, but we have this topic and I felt motivated enough to discuss it. If nobody else wanted to respond, that was fine with me. I knew it was controversial. I was also aware that Governor Palin was talking to a religious audience and chose her words accordingly.

Just because this is an Eagles message board doesn't mean that issues like this shouldn't be discussed. We have this particular forum specifically for that purpose. It wasn't my intention to imply 'hate' for the Republicans, although I freely admit that if I were American, I would be a Democrat. But I'm not American. I have been taking great interest in this election, but that is where I'll leave it.

[Molly]

I have been taking great interest in this election, but that is where I'll leave it.

:yay:

[TimothyBFan]

I agree FP and Molly---everyone in every country should be taking notice of this election because it is looking as if it will be affecting everyone no matter where in this big ol' world you may be. All you have to do is turn on the news every once in awhile and you hear how we are on the verge of a "global recession".

[DonFan]

It is election eve eve here in the States, and I just got an email from Jill Conner Browne, author of the very funny Sweet Potato Queen book series. Here are her wise words about the election:
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When you stand in that voting booth, you are standing on the shoulders of many and the GRAVES of many more—it is sacred ground—BE GRATEFUL!


SO, GET OFF YOUR *** AND VOTE!

Then, when the dust settles, and we HAVE a new President and Vice President—will everybody just focus on doing the Next Right Thing with Whoever We End Up With?! All this carping from BOTH SIDES has just about done me in! PLEASE, SHUT UP AND JUST DO WHATEVER GOOD YOU CAN PERSONALLY DO AND DO IT QUIETLY! God willing, we will all live to vote another day so, let’s just make the best of it and move forward…without gloating and/or belly-aching!

[Prettymaid]

Then, when the dust settles, and we HAVE a new President and Vice President—will everybody just focus on doing the Next Right Thing with Whoever We End Up With?! All this carping from BOTH SIDES has just about done me in!

:pray:

[TimothyBFan]

And as of Wednesday, NO MORE POLITICAL COMMERCIALS!:partytime::yay::rockon:

[sodascouts]

Whoever wins the Presidency gets my full support.

[glenneaglesfan]

Good luck to all of you voting tomorrow. Somehow I feel that the turnout is going to be quite impressive.

Sad news about Barack Obama's grandmother though.

[TimothyBFan]

I am hearing that the lines are crazy in our community and others in the area. How is everyone else fairing? Hopefully this is a good indication of a large voter turnout!!!

[Prettymaid]

Hubby always leaves for work at 6:00 A.M. Today he left at 5 til 6 and said he wanted to try to be first at the polls. Last time he voted he was third and time before that he said he was second in line.
He called me this morning after he had voted and told me he was 27th!

I will be voting on my way to work today at 10:00 a.m.

Happy voting, everyone!

[tbs fanatic]

And as of Wednesday, NO MORE POLITICAL COMMERCIALS!:partytime::yay::rockon:

Thanks the Gods! :yay::yay:

[Brooke]

Yes! :yay: And I guess there won't be any more news programs either after today or tonight! It's all they've talked about for the past few months. :yay: :yay:

Of course, I'm sure there will be some type of problem to discuss! There will be something wrong somewhere! :rolleyes:

[DonFan]

I just got back from voting and there is a HUGE turnout here so far. We vote at the elementary school in the middle of our little neighborhood, and the long lines & traffic today are both insane. I can’t imagine what it is going to be like at 3:00 with school traffic too.

[tbs fanatic]

No long lines so far here but there were long lines for 'early voting' - maybe our town have had a lot of people go that route. There certainly was a lot of news coverage about early voting - maybe it paid off.

[ticky]

BIG NEWS!~

STarbucks, Krispy Kreme and Ben and Jerrys are giving away free stuff for Election day!! (I knew there was a good reason to vote *G*)

[Brooke]

:sad: And I don't live near any of them. Just one of the joys of living in the boonies!

[Prettymaid]

Let me be the first to congratulate President-Elect Obama. Let's all work toward getting this country back on track!

[TimothyBFan]

I second that PM!!!

[tbs fanatic]

WooHoo! :partytime: I think he's a good guy and he's going to be good for America.

[MikeA]

I second that PM!!!

And I !!!!

Should be able to get something done. House, Senate and President are Democrats so they should be able to push things through. Just hope Pres Obama tries to push the "right" things through. May God Bless and Guide him!

[TimothyBFan]

Staying with the presidential theme here

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/williehoo/Don%20Henley/DonHenleyandBillClinton.jpg

Think they are both celebrating this morning?

[sodascouts]

I have consistently been impressed by Obama's unifying rhetoric, which was displayed in last night's acceptance speech as well as throughout the campaign. I hope the entire country can get behind our (soon to be) President now, regardless of whether or not they voted for him.

[DonFan]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e136/williehoo/Don%20Henley/DonHenleyandBillClinton.jpg

Think they are both celebrating this morning?
I thought about this last night too, tbf. Hubby told me, "Guess Henley will be happy now when you see him in Memphis next week!"

(Election or no, I'm always happy when I see Henley! :twisted: )

[Brooke]

Good pic, TBF! Yeah, I bet they never went to bed for all the celebrating last night!

I, too, hope everything goes well for Pres elect Obama and that things will change and be better for everyone.

[EasyFeeling]

Ah, here's the Obama thread :)

Congrats to all of you for the new president!!! I'm watching and many many people here in Germany too. What a man :)