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sodascouts
03-07-2011, 04:58 PM
I looked for a thread on Phil Collins and was astonished to see we didn't have one! I have always adored his music, be it with Genesis or solo. No Jacket Required was one of the first albums I bought after I was finally allowed to buy rock music.... still have the cassette tape in a box in my old room at my parent's house.

The impetus for me starting this thread was seeing this article that says he's retiring:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20040148-10391698.html

More information here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandpopmusic/8360584/Phil-Collins-calls-time-on-music-career.html

But why does he think people hate him??? We love you, Phil!

I'll post some of my favorite songs by him in a bit.

sodascouts
03-07-2011, 05:22 PM
I love this song he did with Genesis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F_BRaK301A

And I pretty much love all the songs on Invisible Touch....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMiDhmL_zFo

But these three are my very favorites:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjNF3ntRkxk

In Too Deep

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZdlFKYd84

sodascouts
03-07-2011, 06:06 PM
Some of my favorites of his solo career:

(Best, most memorable drum fill ever)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA

(Nancy trivia: this was the first music video I ever saw - I wasn't allowed to watch MTV at the time, but I snuck down into the basement during my older sister's birthday party and saw this video and Toni Basil's "Mickey" before getting caught)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJXxWWYFcIA

(This song is so emotional - magnificent!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuvtoyVi7vY

As I mentioned before, I pretty much love all of No Jacket Required:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0y8WKiMKBVY

But my very faves from that are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Z-eUmR2bM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKVq-P3z5Vg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRY1NG1P_kw

Some ones I love from But Seriously:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcY3FH208l8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDNpNP35A_8

And this beautiful soundtrack song is another very emotional song I love:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ezy8eZ34agc

Freypower
03-07-2011, 06:12 PM
He thinks people hate him because at the height of his success in the 80s he seemed to be everywhere (similar to the backlash against the Bee Gees).

This is my favourite Phil/Genesis song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyDRXbP1MaY

Followed closely by the magnificent 'Spitting Image' video of another great song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlBIa8z_Mts

However a lot of the songs I like are more obscure. I love That's All, Misunderstanding & Turn It On Again; but I also love some of the less well known songs from the We Can't Dance album - Fading Lights, Driving The Last Spike, Dreaming While You Sleep.

But on his own he never bettered the angst of his first solo album Face Value:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkADj0TPrJA

which led one to believe his solo albums would be quirky & deep like his ex-colleague Peter Gabriel's. He decided to take the commercial route instead, but he still released some great songs:

This gorgeous version of the Mindbenders classic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsC_SARyPzk

And probably my second favourite solo song after ITAT (you should recognise the guitarist):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcY3FH208l8&feature=relmfu

And this; I do tend to prefer his 'darker' material:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLpfbcXTeo8&feature=relmfu

But I love songs like Take Me Home, This Must Be Love, If Leaving Me Is Easy, One More Night, Like China, You Know What I Mean, Thru These Walls, Long Long Way To Go, etc.

ETA: I see Soda & I have posted a couple which are the same but I will leave them. In the case of In The Air Tonight it is probably in my Top 30 songs of all time.

EaglesFanatic
03-07-2011, 06:54 PM
What?! Phil can't retire! I love the songs Land Of Confusion, In The Air Tonight, and Tonight Tonight Tonight.

sodascouts
03-07-2011, 07:09 PM
ETA: I see Soda & I have posted a couple which are the same but I will leave them. In the case of In The Air Tonight it is probably in my Top 30 songs of all time.

I posted so many songs repeats were inevitable - but I couldn't stop myself! So many great songs. I agree with you that In the Air Tonight is amazing.

EF - I'm with you! I don't want him to retire. :(

Victim of Love
03-07-2011, 10:20 PM
Just read on the internet that he ISN'T retiring, rather taking an extended vacation (although I doubt it will be 14 years!). He's had surgery recently for the nerve damage to his left hand and needs time to recoup. I'll look forward to future work and appearance by Phil.

sodascouts
03-07-2011, 11:22 PM
Thank goodness!

I hope everything's OK with him. He sounds really depressed and down on himself in that interview. Little wonder many media outlets reported that he was retiring.

Koala
03-08-2011, 02:14 AM
Here a massage vom PC from his webside, it is from yesterday.

http://www.philcollins.co.uk/de/news/breaking-news-message-phil

Yesterday I had also read he wants to retire, and I as a huge Genesis / Collins fan was not pleased with this news!But luckily it is not right!:pray:

An amount of my favorite songs from him and Genesis are already posted but some are still missing this must be changed!:laugh:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1kDmnHyOBg

From his newest album http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1dRP5j_r3I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbS8JK4TS8Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hav44P3TAEI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZSBYHBDQbQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7ODmQ_cnOY

Koala
03-08-2011, 02:25 AM
Some of my favorite Genesis Songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSwpW_QKz_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK3HKz8Z61I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJVS1IRAkyE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f7LBOTwrRU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qn-YTAvgT4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrGipw0MaNo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_61hzuGGJX0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJO8kcZdfQM

LOVE this Version!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKYilFz-Zqs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaraeKo6wcg

and a lot more..........

Annabel
03-08-2011, 06:53 AM
Last year Phil did a special 'One Night Only' show on ITV in the UK and it was said then he was taking time out to be a father.

http://www.itv.com/presscentre/philcollinsonenightonly/week38/default.html

Not sure if it is available out there somewhere but it is well worth seeing if it is.

I saw Genesis play at Wembley in 1987, many years ago. Fabulous. I have cds and a video that still get regular playing time and albums that don't lol.

One of my fave tracks in addition to those already posted is this,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xthQZUkICc8

Pure magic from Phil and Chester. :thumbsup:

Annabel
03-08-2011, 06:58 AM
If you can stand it this is the longer version of what I posted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv-YRpPjnLA&feature=fvwrel

Brilliant. :partytime:

Annabel
03-08-2011, 07:33 AM
Okay I found some videos. These are from the 'Phil Collins- One Night Only' show from ITV in 2010.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3slaO9NE9s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKITr0ESb8Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNGwGdlu1Ws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F12cFcWyuI

Annabel
03-08-2011, 07:57 AM
Phil's got his own official You Tube channel.

http://www.youtube.com/philcollins

And this piece that Koala posted

http://www.philcollins.co.uk/de/news/breaking-news-message-phil

does say he is giving it all up.
'my reasons for calling it a day' and
'I am stopping so I can be a full time father to my two young sons on a daily basis'.
Going Back is his last album...... ever, I believe. There are lots of comments about him finishing on his facebook too. :brickwall:

TimothyBFan
03-08-2011, 09:14 AM
Very upsetting! I guess I always think that these rock heroes just go till they can't go anymore. I understand the hand issues and not being able to play drums any longer but I've always enjoyed his voice more than he drumming. He will be missed in the music industry and by his fans.

Brooke
03-08-2011, 11:11 AM
Ok, I get it.....you all really like Phil Collins! :lol:

Yeah, I like him, too, but the only song I really know was In The Air Tonight. Loved that one! :nod:

Annabel
03-08-2011, 11:25 AM
Has everyone seen the Cadbury's advert with the drumming gorilla playing on ITAT?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHjieD6CTYs
My girls love that one. :hilarious:

tequila girl
03-08-2011, 11:34 AM
I saw Genesis play at Wembley in 1987, many years ago. Fabulous.

I saw them about 1977/78 I think at Knebworth :thumbsup:

Annabel
03-08-2011, 11:58 AM
I've just watched my Invisible Touch tour video. Then found these taken from it on you tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvS5eS_F9j8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfbHSLjqpQA&feature=related

:thumbsup:

sodascouts
03-08-2011, 01:56 PM
I think the conflicting reports might be because Phil himself sometimes feels like giving it up, then thinks better of it! At any rate, I'll go with the good news. At the very least, it gave us the opportunity to start this thread and express our appreciation for a great artist!

And I don't care if he gives up drumming if it means we still get to hear that voice.

Freypower
03-08-2011, 05:54 PM
I'm probably in the minority but I think releasing an album of Motown covers was a mistake. I wish he'd go back to the songs he wrote when he first went solo. Some of them are rather dark & depressing but in my opinion they are artistically superior to some of his really 'commercial' stuff.

Koala
03-09-2011, 02:00 AM
I'm probably in the minority but I think releasing an album of Motown covers was a mistake. I wish he'd go back to the songs he wrote when he first went solo. Some of them are rather dark & depressing but in my opinion they are artistically superior to some of his really 'commercial' stuff.
I agree with you, 1-3 Motown covers are quite good but his own solo things are still better, especially the early years! The best example is probably In The Air Tonight, divine!

EaglesKiwi
03-10-2011, 04:20 AM
Wow, I'd forgotten just how much great stuff he had! I remember a period in the 80's when radio stations would play a couple of Phil songs every hour! And I had some of his stuff on cassette... can't remember what though.

I love ITAT too, and Easy Lover is fantastic.

I may be in the minority here, but I also really really love "You'll Be In My Heart" from the Tarzan movie...

Annabel
03-10-2011, 04:44 AM
Lots of Phil Collins on the local radio here yesterday after his retirement announcement. All of it good stuff.

One DJ commented on the Motown cover album saying it 'wasn't his best ever purchase by Phil'. I have to agree on that too. Maybe not the best way to go out. :shrug:

Stars
03-10-2011, 09:00 AM
Eagleskiwi, I also love "You'll be in my Heart" from the Tarzan soundtrack. That song helped me through a mighty rough time, during that time period when it was released.

I was a HUGE Phil Collins/Genesis fan in the 80's. I went to see Genesis several times, and also Phil solo. I was sorry to hear about his retirement, but I think it's great that he wants to spend so much time with his young sons.:thumbsup:

AzEaglesFan
03-10-2011, 07:54 PM
I read in the paper yesterday that he is not retiring, he is just taking some time off to be with his son and to let his hand heal.

Outlawman13
03-01-2013, 12:18 AM
Genesis is a very, awesome band. LOL I remember listening to Phil Collins as the singer and then hearing that same band with Peter Gabriel. They differ just a little bit, but I love Phil Collin's voice a little more. Follow Me, Follow You is one of the many that is my favvies from them. This band is one of a kind. I loved when he did songs for Brother Bear and Tarzan. LOL. Those songs are special.

tjrrockandrollmaster
03-02-2013, 03:45 AM
I read in the paper yesterday that he is not retiring, he is just taking some time off to be with his son and to let his hand heal.

Phil stated on his own website that he indeed retired. Looks like David Gilmour is joining him in the retirement party.

Outlawman13
03-02-2013, 05:32 PM
Man that sucks that he is retiring!!!!!!!!! I want more music from him. LOL. I guess it is his time though.

sodascouts
03-02-2013, 05:57 PM
I adore Phil Collins! I wish I'd seen him live when I had the chance.

Outlawman13
03-02-2013, 07:42 PM
Phil Collins is super amazing and wish I saw him in concert as well as Genesis. I would've loved the concerts.
I love this song and Phil Collins has way too much fun with the crowd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiJBjv911VM

sodascouts
03-02-2013, 09:16 PM
That's a good one!

UndertheWire
10-07-2014, 09:08 AM
Thanks to Freypower for pointing me at this thread. It was buried quite deep.

There's a new documentary on Genesis that was broadcast on the BBC on Sunday (and is still available on iPlayer for UK viewers) and will be shown on Showtime on Friday (under a different title, but the two films are the same length). There will also be a DVD release in November.

I don't know enough about Genesis to say if it's any good or leaves out anything of significance. It was still fairly entertaining for a non-fan but I don't feel inspired to explore their back catlogue.

Freypower
10-07-2014, 06:06 PM
I can't tell you anything about Gabriel era Genesis. That's not a joke; I have never heard any of it.

I have the following Collins era albums:

A Trick Of The Tail
Abacab
Duke
Genesis
Invisible Touch
We Can't Dance

All of these albums to some extent continue with the prog rock for which the band is known, particularly the first & second named. Duke has a couple of very well known hits; Misunderstanding & Turn It On Again. Behind The Lines was reworked on Collins' solo masterpiece Face Value. Genesis includes the superb That's All & the epics Mama & Home By The sea. Invisible Touch & to a lesser extent We Can't Dance were huge commercial successes & probably require no explanation. They are all worth hearing. My personal favourite is We Can't Dance.

For Collins Face Value is beyond essential as is Hello I Must Be Going. No Jacket Required & But Seriously were the huge hit albums. Both Sides & Testify are very good.

You can't go wrong if you have Gabriel 1 (includes Solsbury Hill), Gabriel 3 (includes Biko & Games Without Frontiers) & So (includes Sledgehammer, Don't Give Up, In Your Eyes). I love Us as well but it's not as well known. I could write about this all day despite my lack of early Genesis knowledge.

UndertheWire
10-08-2014, 05:53 AM
I briefly liked Genesis about the time of Nursery Cryme - "Return of the Giant Hogweed" in particular - but I turned away from prog rock soon afterwards and moved onto american soft rock. The later Genesis, Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins are like the wallpaper of my life, much like the Eagles are for many americans. I've never had to buy any of their records because they were played everywhere. I quite like them.

Solsbury Hill is a bit special for me. I spent an important period of my life in a house with a view of Solsbury Hill and just up the lane from where Peter Gabriel had lived (I assume) when he wrote the song. He was gone long before we got there but I know his old house and it has great views across to Solsbury Hill. When I hear that song, it really does take me home.

chaim
10-10-2014, 07:09 AM
Just watched the documentary. There was nothing questionable from Tony Banks except that comment that Steve Hackett's playing was "stiff" in the seventies. That one was weird. But that seems to be his opinion and he said it.

But the other stuff...I can understand if it looks to some people like Tony is being rude or something, but he just doesn't know how to act for the camera. He talks like you were chatting with him at his home. I don't think that's a bad quality. And when you watch them together, you can see that Tony and Peter still have this..."healthy friction" or whatever, that best friends can have. The other guys have said this on many occasions, when there has been a "reunion meeting", that all of them tend to suddenly assume their old roles - and Tony and Peter are again the best friends in the good and the bad.

They are such old friends that they can talk honestly about each other and in the presence of the other guy. If I didn't know a little bit about Tony, or his childhood friendship with Peter, I would probably think that Tony was a bit rude in some places. But as it was, when the five men were there together it was like a reunion between old pals where the camera just happened to be on. No one was just playing nice for the camera. Perhaps Steve is a bit more an outsider to that "inner circle of school friends" than Phil. Seems that Phil isn't much of an outsider anymore. Probably because of his easygoing nature.

I think it was nice of Tony to admit that Steve's ideas weren't necessarily rejected because they were bad. Tony admitted that he shouted loudest and was the grumpiest if his ideas weren't accepted.

There were some things that I noticed were edited to make up a new conversation. There were bits taken from the Come Rain Or Shine documentary and edited. For example Tony's "try a few and see what happens" comment was edited to look like it was a response to what songs they should play. In fact it was originally a response to Mike Rutherford's comment that he doesn't remember what tuning he used on Cinema show. This is a minor issue, but when you recognize some "creative editing", no matter how minor, it makes you wonder how much the editors were manipulating the whole thing

Freypower
05-11-2015, 06:13 PM
I've now watched the documentary twice & I love it. I know I need to start listening to the Gabriel era songs. So I am playing the live album Seconds Out which is from the Collins era, but it's a quick way to hear the songs. I am still only on Disc One. There are a couple of tracks from Trick Of The Tail which I already knew.

Carpet Crawlers - what's the big deal? It's too slow. As for I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) I cannot get into it at all. I thought this was the song where they started becoming a bit more accessible. The song I do like is The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway. I am bracing myself for Supper's Ready on Disc Two.

Can any Genesis fans give me an idea of which Gabriel era albums I should buy or should I just get a compilation? There is something called R-Kive which includes tracks by all members. I was also considering Archive 2 which covers the Collins years.

In the meantime I have become obsessed with the song That's All from Genesis. Does this have the catchiest keyboard riff ever written? It's also Phil being abrasive & cynical which I prefer to his sentimental side. Yesterday I listened to Home By The Sea - also a great song from the same album.

Literally the second I write this We Wait & We Wonder from Both Sides has started! It's a good track, nice & anthemic.

I have a peculiar thing with Phil songs wondering if he will use English or American pronunciation. The more commercially successful he became the more he tended to pronounce words like 'last' & 'pass' the American way. Sometimes he does both in the same song. He will start English & go American (Mama) or start American & go English (Land Of Confusion has an American 'can't you see' & an English 'can't you see' at the end). Gabriel is the same on occasions (That Voice Again has an American 'can't help but listen' & near the end it's English). I am fascinated by this, I don't know why.

AlreadyGone95
06-08-2015, 06:36 PM
I just realized that this thread existed after reading the part of HoTE thread discussing the Genesis documentary!

I'm a big Genesis fan. I like almost everything they've done. I will admit that I like the Collins era better, but I still enjoy most of the early stuff. I also like some of Phil Collins' solo stuff(just bought No Jacket Required on vinyl). My favorite album is probably Genesis or We Can't Dance. Gabriel era- I love Nursery Cryme and Selling England by the Pound.
I've watched the documentary once before on tv. Unfortunately, I don't remember much about it, except that my favorite song "No Son of Mine" wasn't mentioned at all! I've looked for at FYE, but I haven't found it yet

Funk 50
06-09-2015, 09:51 AM
I've just spotted this topic and Genesis, at least when they were operational, were my favourite group. I've been a loyal fan since being invited, by a friend who was a fan, to see them live in 1981. They were brilliant live.

Genesis were always a five piece on stage. Two huge drum kits, Big sound. Phil Collins is a great drummer and a great vocalist/front man. Their live albums, and even the bootlegs are all very good.
They've constantly done TV and radio broadcasts ever since Phil joined them at the start of the 70s. Peter's linguistic skills, something Phil later adopted, meant, when they started out, they were at least as big in Europe as they were in the UK.
Like the Eagles they are/were huge worldwide. Despite having great albums, they've always been better live than on record.

I gradually worked my way back through all the previous Genesis albums while keeping up with the latest stuff.

Foxtrot, Selling England By The Pound and The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (Double Album/Awful Sleeve) are the major Gabriel era albums. The Battle Of Epping Forest is the only Genesis track that I dislike. Almost every Genesis track has some redeeming feature.

Steve Hackett has just released a couple of CDs that revisit his Genesis days. They're extensive faithful and excellently done but they obviously don't contain the magic of the originals.


My jaw hit the floor when I read that Joe Walsh's pal and Barnstorm drummer Joe Vitale was Phil Collins' first choice drummer, when he launched his incredibly successful solo career. Vitale was already committed to a CSN tour so he had to back out. Big, Big mistake Joe!

I once saw a Peter Gabriel top ten which contained all the usual suspects, Salisbury Hill, Sledgehammer & In Your Eyes etc. except the number one: San Jacinto. Me and my brother looked at each other... we don't know that one, We immediately pulled out the disc, put it on... and Yes! San Jacinto is Peter Gabriel's best solo track.

Freypower
06-09-2015, 06:10 PM
I just realized that this thread existed after reading the part of HoTE thread discussing the Genesis documentary!

I'm a big Genesis fan. I like almost everything they've done. I will admit that I like the Collins era better, but I still enjoy most of the early stuff. I also like some of Phil Collins' solo stuff(just bought No Jacket Required on vinyl). My favorite album is probably Genesis or We Can't Dance. Gabriel era- I love Nursery Cryme and Selling England by the Pound.
I've watched the documentary once before on tv. Unfortunately, I don't remember much about it, except that my favorite song "No Son of Mine" wasn't mentioned at all! I've looked for at FYE, but I haven't found it yet

You can get the documentary,Together & Apart, on amazon.com.

They couldn't mention every song. No Son Of Mine is a favourite of mine too.

As I said above I am really loving Genesis at the moment. The self titled album is extraordinary. I could listen to Home By The Sea all day. One thing I should say is that there is a cliché that once Peter left, they went all poppy and commerical. They started having hit singles, yes. But anyone who has heard some of the long album tracks knows that they were still 'prog' at heart.

AlreadyGone95
06-09-2015, 07:54 PM
You can get the documentary,Together & Apart, on amazon.com.

They couldn't mention every song. No Son Of Mine is a favourite of mine too.

As I said above I am really loving Genesis at the moment. The self titled album is extraordinary. I could listen to Home By The Sea all day. One thing I should say is that there is a cliché that once Peter left, they went all poppy and commerical. They started having hit singles, yes. But anyone who has heard some of the long album tracks knows that they were still 'prog' at heart.

I'll have to order as soon as I can!
Imo, the self titled album is their best. It's the perfect combination of pop and prog. They always retained a bit of their prog roots in all of their albums. While the hit singles might have been more poppy, tge overall albums are still proggy. Mama and Illegal Alien are my favorite songs on that album.

Funk 50
06-11-2015, 09:16 AM
I have fond memories of both Mama and Illegal Alien live. The drums were so loud for Mama that I blinked every time they were hit and they doing some serious action at the end of the song.

Illegal Alien had a great introduction from Phil featuring a ghetto blaster and the whole band donning shades. It has a very good video too with wigs and fake moustaches. :).

It's very difficult not to enjoy a Genesis show and Phil does have a fun relationship with the audience. His tambourine solo during I Know What I Like is always worth seeing even now he's old;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3O1ZAjbang

Freypower
06-11-2015, 06:49 PM
Mama is one of the most extraordinary songs I have ever heard, and anyone who has only heard songs like Another Day In Paradise & Easy Lover should listen to it. Having said that, the same people should listen to In The Air Tonight.

I'm discovering the early stuff on the R-Kive triple CD. The Musical Box - at the end Peter's screams of 'why don't you touch me? NOW! NOW!'

AlreadyGone95
06-11-2015, 07:38 PM
I love the music video for Easy Lover (it's a great song,too!)
I forgot to mention That's All. Imo, that song is one of the best pop songs ever written! I love No Son of Mine for very personal reasons.


My 2 favorite Gabriel era songs are The Musical Box and Dancing in the Moonlit Knight. ( I love the dark middle part of this song)

Freypower
06-11-2015, 08:19 PM
I love the music video for Easy Lover (it's a great song,too!)
I forgot to mention That's All. Imo, that song is one of the best pop songs ever written! I love No Son of Mine for very personal reasons.


My 2 favorite Gabriel era songs are The Musical Box and Dancing in the Moonlit Knight. ( I love the dark middle part of this song)

If I start writing about That's All I will be here all day. Then I will start about Home By The Sea.

If anyone is wondering if I have forgotten Dire Straits the answer is no. But I don't write a lot about them here because for the most part I'm talking to myself (except for JCL). But I'm really discovering some of the Genesis stuff, or appreciating it, for the first time.

AlreadyGone95
06-11-2015, 09:12 PM
If I start writing about That's All I will be here all day. Then I will start about Home By The Sea.

If anyone is wondering if I have forgotten Dire Straits the answer is no. But I don't write a lot about them here because for the most part I'm talking to myself (except for JCL). But I'm really discovering some of the Genesis stuff, or appreciating it, for the first time.
Hey, that's not a bad thing lol.
I'm a casual fan of Dire Straits. I own Brothers in Arms on cd, but I'm a much bigger Genesis fan!

Jonny Come Lately
06-14-2015, 06:20 PM
I am no Genesis expert, I'd like to have a look into their work, I've meant to for a while but never got round to it - although as a Floyd fan I'll probably want to explore the more progressive Gabriel era first.

AG95, have you heard Dire Straits' Making Movies album? My personal favourite DS album is actually Love Over Gold (I absolutely love Telegraph Road) but it isn't for everyone, Making Movies on the other hand is highly rated throughout the DS fanbase. I am not a fan of the closing track Les Boys but the rest of the album is pretty flawless, with side one consisting of three top-notch songs (Tunnel Of Love, Romeo And Juliet and Skateaway).

AlreadyGone95
06-14-2015, 07:22 PM
AG95, have you heard Dire Straits' Making Movies album? My personal favourite DS album is actually Love Over Gold (I absolutely love Telegraph Road) but it isn't for everyone, Making Movies on the other hand is highly rated throughout the DS fanbase. I am not a fan of the closing track Les Boys but the rest of the album is pretty flawless, with side one consisting of three top-notch songs (Tunnel Of Love, Romeo And Juliet and Skateaway).

No I haven't. DS is a band, that here in the states, only have 3 songs that get airplay, Money for Nothing, Sultans of Swing, and Walk of Life, so I haven't been exposed to them much. I love the Brothers in Arms album, but it's the only one I've heard in full. I guess that I need to change that! :)

Freypower
06-14-2015, 07:24 PM
No I haven't. DS is a band, that here in the states, only have 3 songs that get airplay, Money for Nothing, Sultans of Swing, and Walk of Life, so I haven't been exposed to them much. I love the Brothers in Arms album, but it's the only one I've heard in full. I guess that I need to change that! :)

There is a separate DS topic in the forum if you would like to read it. To quote Phil Collins Don't Get Me Started.

AlreadyGone95
06-14-2015, 07:29 PM
There is a separate DS topic in the forum if you would like to read it. To quote Phil Collins Don't Get Me Started.

Lol, I'll start reading it then!

AlreadyGone95
06-14-2015, 07:32 PM
JCL, if you want to start with the Gabriel era, Selling England by the Pound is the best album, imo.
What do ya'll think of Genesis's first album, From Genesis to Revelation? I like it, particularly the song" "When Sour Turns to Sweet". It's more poppy prog (like the stuff that they would do after Gabriel left).

Freypower
06-14-2015, 08:23 PM
JCL, if you want to start with the Gabriel era, Selling England by the Pound is the best album, imo.
What do ya'll think of Genesis's first album, From Genesis to Revelation? I like it, particularly the song" "When Sour Turns to Sweet". It's more poppy prog (like the stuff that they would do after Gabriel left).

I haven't heard it. As I have said I have been unfamiliar with the Gabriel era albums & have only now started a very slow process of getting to know some of these songs.

JCL for the Collins era Invisible Touch is the best known, but I Can't Dance & Genesis are less poppy & might be more to your taste. My husband would probably tell you to start with A Trick Of The Tail. Or do what I did & get R-Kive which is a triple disc compilation featuring music by all members as well as the band.

Funk 50
06-16-2015, 06:31 PM
What do ya'll think of Genesis's first album, From Genesis to Revelation? I like it, particularly the song" "When Sour Turns to Sweet". It's more poppy prog (like the stuff that they would do after Gabriel left).

The first Genesis album isn't really a Genesis album. Phil's not on it and they made it before they discovered their identity.

The story is, they gave a demo of their music to Jonathan King, who had attended their posh school and had scored a big hit single (Everyone's Gone To The Moon). JK said he liked it, commenting that it sounded rather like the (60s) Bee Gees. JK agreed to produce an album, so the band,eager to please, started writing Bee Gees imitations to put on it. JK gave the band their name, Genesis but the title of the album, Genesis To Revelation, meant it was racked with the religious albums.

I listened, quite a lot, to the very early stuff included on the first Genesis Anthology Box set but I haven't revisited it in awhile.
I tend to listen the Collins era more, even the later versions of the old favourites like Carpet Crawl, Firth Of Fifth and In The Cage. I love the Old Medleys that they perform on tour, but they don't go back as far as the "G to R" stuff.

Jonny Come Lately
06-22-2015, 01:37 PM
JCL, if you want to start with the Gabriel era, Selling England by the Pound is the best album, imo.

Thanks for the recommendation - I went and listened to Selling England By The Pound last week and was hugely impressed. What have I been waiting for? It's gone straight onto my wishlist.

My favourite songs are probably the first three from the album, I really like the lyrics of the (sort of) title track Dancing with the Moonlight Knight and I absolutely love the instrumental sections on Firth Of Fifth. I love I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe). The lyrics about the lawnmower guy and his happiness at settling for mediocrity are funny and clever. I can't get the song out of my head either! I think this is because the chorus has the great earworm 'I know what I like and I like what I know' soon followed by the unusual and memorable line 'getting better in your wardrobe'.

I have to say I really like Peter Gabriel's voice, it just has a certain 'English eccentric' quality to it. I also like how he adopts several different voices on the Battle Of Epping Forest for the different characters.

Cheers
JCL

AlreadyGone95
06-22-2015, 02:33 PM
Thanks for the recommendation - I went and listened to Selling England By The Pound last week and was hugely impressed. What have I been waiting for? It's gone straight onto my wishlist.


Cheers
JCL

Lol, that's the same reaction that I had over 2 years ago when I first listened to the album. Glad that you like it! :)

AlreadyGone95
06-22-2015, 02:40 PM
As for From Genesis to Revelation,everytime I've seen it, it's always been listed as s Genesis album. Trepass (the second album) doesn't have Phil Collins on there either, is it not a Genesis album? In some ways, I consider this album to like Pink Floyd's Piper at the Gates of Dawn. Both feature very young musicians who are just starting out and learning their craft, but would later become world famous. From Genesis to Revelation is far from great, but I still enjoy it.

Freypower
06-23-2015, 07:27 PM
I'm listening to Calling All Stations with the much maligned Ray Wilson. He sounds very similar to John Waite (Missing You). The song isn't bad at all; he just isn't Peter or Phil. But I didn't cringe through it as I thought I would!

Funk 50
06-25-2015, 06:36 AM
I quite like the Calling All Stations album but Ray Wilson hasn't the stage presence of Gabriel or Collins. Not by a long way!

What do you think of R-Kive, Freypower?
You gave me a lot of stick when I suggested that the Eagles should release such a collection. :fear:

Freypower
06-25-2015, 06:27 PM
I quite like the Calling All Stations album but Ray Wilson hasn't the stage presence of Gabriel or Collins. Not by a long way!

What do you think of R-Kive, Freypower?
You gave me a lot of stick when I suggested that the Eagles should release such a collection. :fear:

Yes, I did, didn't I? And I am still not sure that it would work. Although perhaps someone would like to suggest a track listing along the same lines; mainly band stuff with three solo tracks each. I suppose it could be done. I just don't see Frey & Henley agreeing to Felder being allowed three tracks on a complilation being authorised by them.

I absolutely love R-Kive because not only had I not heard the early Gabriel songs but I hadn't heard the solo efforts by Hackett & Banks (and to be honest I had only heard Silent Running by Rutherford). The choices each member had to include only three tracks each are interesting. I would not have included Easy Lover, for example. I would have included Take Me Home or I Wish It Would Rain Down.

Freypower
09-12-2015, 06:38 PM
I hope UTW will forgive me for copying this to the Genesis thread because I wanted to say something about it.

Originally posted by UnderTheWire on 10/7/14:

That's a good point. I've been thinking along the same lines. What you see on television isn't usually what you get in real life, it may just be a PR skill, or lack of. Tony Banks appeared slightly stiff and serious but he didn't say anything bad about anyone. He did remind me of Glenn a little in that they're both a little awkward on camera and seem like they're trying to supervise the others. It's just easier to love Phil Collins/Joe Walsh.

Based on the documentaries (and this is not serious)

Tony Banks = Glenn Frey (control freaks)
Peter Gabriel = Don Henley (it's the goatee)
Phil Collins = Joe Walsh (fun but with their demons)
Steve Hackett = Don Felder (former guitarist complaining about bias)
Mike Rutherford = Timothy B Schmit (long-haired and aimiable)

(end of quote)

I pretty much agree with these comparisons. I would say that Mike is the hardest member to compare & he seems to be the hardest to pinpoint. With Steve I know he was upset with the documentary, but happy with R-Kive. Like Felder, he does what is basically a Genesis tribute show. Unlike Felder, he has released a few albums under his own name. Unlike Felder at least he was in the room with them for the documentary (all the Eagles were filmed separately, of course).

I hadn't watched the One Show interview until yesterday & I find myself developing a very soft spot for Tony indeed. I wonder why that is?! If you listen to them they really are a keyboards based band, unlike the guitar based Eagles, and that is Tony's department. Watching the excerpts from When In Rome where they are discussing how & what to play, it's Tony who seems to have the final say most of the time. I noticed that despite his image Phil can be quite acerbic & impatient.

The book, by the way, is superb. I found out a huge amount I didn't know. I have to buy the early albums now. I'm enjoying all this new found interest with a sort of bemused disbelief. I occasionally post about this on Facebook but obviously don't wish to make to big a deal about it here. For some reason though, similar to the reaction many had after seeing HOTE, seeing Together & Apart has triggered something similar for me. And yet... this thread was started back in 2011 & I was pretty enthusisastic then. So it's been a Slow Burn (spot the obscure Gabriel reference).

chaim
09-13-2015, 06:08 AM
I'm saying this as a huge Glenn fan, and as an even bigger Tony fan:

They both may be control freaks, but there's one big difference IMO. As far as I know Glenn's controlling has always been based on what he sees is the best for the band. Tony, on the other hand, has always been fighting to get his own stuff through - at least before they started writing all the stuff together in the 80's. Even Tony himself has admitted that he got the most grumpy if his material wasn't accepted.

So there's a big difference.

Having said that, I love Tony. I've read/seen a lot of interviews. He's a very funny guy, although he tends to look nervous most of the time.

And yeah, Steve Hackett has released tons of inventive music since he left Genesis. I've seen him complain about two things.
1) His music was rejected. Tony admitted in the documentary that whoever got the grumpiest if his music wasn't accepted won. So it wasn't necessarily about the quality of the material.
2) His solo career was completely ignored in the documentary. The other guys agree.

So unlike Don F, Steve hasn't complained about a lot of things that the rest of the guys disagree upon.

Freypower, it's nice that you're starting to like Tony more. As for Tony having the final word, I think he's the guy who's best at remembering all their music. Mike has admitted that he forgets even his own parts. At the start of the "reunion" rehearsals Phil wasn't even sure what the song "Domino" was. :hilarious: Tony seems to have a great memory. He also had heard all their albums recently since he was very much involved with the new mixes. Phil said a few times that this time around he really started to understand Tony and they got along better than ever. I guess they all had loosened up at that point.

Funk 50
09-13-2015, 01:54 PM
I'm a big fan of Genesis, I love Tony but he's definitely the biggest whinger in the band. I've heard him moaning about Genesis fans ignoring his solo career. Moaning about Mellotrons. Moaning about playing live. Moaning about Steve Hackett getting all the credit for the Firth Of Fifth even though Tony wrote it. I can see he get's his way the majority of the time.

During the Genesis documentary, there was a scene with Phil, suggesting to Tony, very probably after numerous previous discussions on the topic, that they adjust one of their medleys. I think it was the "Duke" medley, that opened the concert. Tony wasn't interested and Phil didn't have the stomach for a fight over it. It was uncharacteristically lame. I was pleased to see Phil wanted to improve it.

I'm still hoping Phil can get his drumming back up to scratch so another Genesis chapter is still ahead of us. Unless Joe Walsh and Elbow inextricably join musical forces, There's nobody who can adequately fill the void they left behind, when they split up.

chaim
09-13-2015, 03:14 PM
I'm a big fan of Genesis, I love Tony but he's definitely the biggest whinger in the band. I've heard him moaning about Genesis fans ignoring his solo career. Moaning about Mellotrons. Moaning about playing live. Moaning about Steve Hackett getting all the credit for the Firth Of Fifth even though Tony wrote it. I can see he get's his way the majority of the time.

During the Genesis documentary, there was a scene with Phil, suggesting to Tony, very probably after numerous previous discussions on the topic, that they adjust one of their medleys. I think it was the "Duke" medley, that opened the concert. Tony wasn't interested and Phil didn't have the stomach for a fight over it. It was uncharacteristically lame. I was pleased to see Phil wanted to improve it.

I'm still hoping Phil can get his drumming back up to scratch so another Genesis chapter is still ahead of us. Unless Joe Walsh and Elbow inextricably join musical forces, There's nobody who can adequately fill the void they left behind, when they split up.

This is very interesting. If that scene was taken from the Come Rain Or Shine documentary (where they are preparing for the short reunion tour), I don't remember it. And I've seen it many times. Maybe I just ignore all that stuff because I'm a big Tony fan. :hilarious: In the Together & Apart documentary there was some "creative editing" too. I mentioned this earlier in this thread. There's a scene that was taken from the CROS documentary. Mike or Phil wonders which songs they should do (or something like that). Tony says, laughing, "Well, try a few and see what happens". Tony's comment was lifted from another situation. Tony was actually referring to guitar tunings. Mike couldn't remember the guitar tuning in Cinema Show. Tony just jokingly asked him to try a few guitar tunings and see what happens. So I wouldn't be surprised if there had been more "creative editing" going on.

AlreadyGone95
09-13-2015, 03:42 PM
Reading the book made me see Tony in a different light. Believe it or not, before I thought that he was the laidback guy of the group.
I now know that Mike Rutherford is that guy. I still haven't seen any docs on the band yet, except for a bit of Sum of the Parts.

I now see Tony as a huge driving force behind the band. Was his controlling nature selfish at times? Yes. To quote David Geffen: "he's a malcontent". Like FP, I found myself being drawn toward Tony. Before, Mike had been the guy who I liked best. Now, I can't really decide. I haven't listen to Tony's solo work, so I can't have an opinion about his work being ignored.

Here's the thing with Tony, he's not a front man. Peter and Phil were. I doubt that most casual Genesis fans know his name. Tony was always over to the side a bit playing his heart out. (I sometimes think that Tony's fingers have unbreakable bones). While some people take note of him, it's not the same as Peter up there wearing a fox's head and a dress or Phil playing drums and singing or just singing. Tony rarely, if ever, had the spotlight on himself. I think that that's why he's kinda forgotten about or pushed aside.

Freypower
09-13-2015, 07:19 PM
I'm saying this as a huge Glenn fan, and as an even bigger Tony fan:

They both may be control freaks, but there's one big difference IMO. As far as I know Glenn's controlling has always been based on what he sees is the best for the band. Tony, on the other hand, has always been fighting to get his own stuff through - at least before they started writing all the stuff together in the 80's. Even Tony himself has admitted that he got the most grumpy if his material wasn't accepted.

So there's a big difference.

Having said that, I love Tony. I've read/seen a lot of interviews. He's a very funny guy, although he tends to look nervous most of the time.

And yeah, Steve Hackett has released tons of inventive music since he left Genesis. I've seen him complain about two things.
1) His music was rejected. Tony admitted in the documentary that whoever got the grumpiest if his music wasn't accepted won. So it wasn't necessarily about the quality of the material.
2) His solo career was completely ignored in the documentary. The other guys agree.

So unlike Don F, Steve hasn't complained about a lot of things that the rest of the guys disagree upon.

Freypower, it's nice that you're starting to like Tony more. As for Tony having the final word, I think he's the guy who's best at remembering all their music. Mike has admitted that he forgets even his own parts. At the start of the "reunion" rehearsals Phil wasn't even sure what the song "Domino" was. :hilarious: Tony seems to have a great memory. He also had heard all their albums recently since he was very much involved with the new mixes. Phil said a few times that this time around he really started to understand Tony and they got along better than ever. I guess they all had loosened up at that point.

I've gone from complete lack of knowledge to the other way around. Maybe I could have seen it the way F50 sees it in his post above, as Tony being a 'whinger'. I did see some elements of that but I chose to focus on the huge amount he has contributed. I would like to hear his solo work; he has just released a four disc box set of it.

I have to say I also don't remember the conversation about the Duke's Travels medley being in Together & Apart. I haven't watched Come Rain Or Come Shine yet.

Thanks for these posts. I was hesitant to say anything yesterday as I didn't want to feel self-indulgent. There are still huge gaps in my knowledge. I don't even feel that I can do my usual trick of listing a top ten favourite songs, as at the moment it is all Collins era. I will say something though; I tend to get songs stuck in my head. If you look back through the thread I went through a That's All & then Home By The Sea phase (can't get enough of either song). Then it was Ripples, then Jesus He Knows Me & I Can't Dance. NOW it's I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe).

Something else; if Tony were as humourless, etc, as some may wish to paint him, what was he doing in the videos? They were all big Monty Python fans. When I sat down to watch the videos from start to finish (although they are in reverse order until the Calling All Stations videos, which are tucked away at the end) I thought 'how did they persuade this serious, solemn guy to make the Illegal Alien, Jesus He Knows Me & I Can't Dance videos'? Well, he's in them.

chaim
09-14-2015, 04:42 AM
They all (the "classic five") have a great sense of humor. Steve's humor tends to by rather dry. He will say something hilarious with a completely straight face. One thing I remember laughing at was Steve discussing Genesis lyrics in an earlier Genesis doc. Steve said that, comparing to rock lyrics in general, perhaps the Genesis lyrics had less to do with the mating ritual and more with.....(don't remember this).
Mike is very funny. Phil is, of course. Tony often makes fun of himself - especially his solo "career". One example of Tony humor, as told by Steve years ago. Various members who had been in Genesis at some point had gathered together for the Archives "reunion". This was when Genesis wasn't active anymore. Tony asked everyone to gather together. People did so, thinking Tony was going to take a group photo. When people had gathered together, Tony said "Look. These are the people we have managed to sack".:hilarious:

As for his solo career, as a huge Tony fan I'm sad to say that I don't like a lot of his solo music. To me a lot of it sounds like he was trying too hard to do something that isn't his cup of tea - nice, simple little pop songs that masses like. I agree with Mike that Tony's lyrics also prevent him from becoming a hit maker.
Some great solo songs that come to mind. Most of them are ballads:

Water Out Of Wine
Still It Takes Me By Surprise
That Night
An Island In The Darkness
Never Let Me Go
The whole A Curious Feeling album

Some (IMO) great Genesis tracks written solely by Tony:

Mad Man Moon (my all time favorite song. Unbelievable beauty)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ_U4XkAarE
Me And Sarah Jane (the last Genesis song written solely by Tony, and probably the last Genesis song in the "weird" category)
Evidence Of Autumn (This was left off the Duke album. Why? I'll never know. It's gorgeous.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8h0Wz6Z5nU
Heathaze

He has released two orchestral albums. I love "Six".

Ripples is one of the greatest Genesis songs, and it's a bit surprising to me that except for the instrumental, which I believe Tony wrote, the song seems to be Mike's. Such a moving lyric about aging and those fascinating chord changes are more "Tonyish". Mike's music, and later lyrics, tended to be rather simple and less unique.

Freypower
09-14-2015, 06:05 PM
Thank you Toni for giving me this extra information. Can Evidence of Autumn be found on the Collins era Archive collection?

Doesn't Me & Sarah Jane (lovely song) pre-date Mama? Don't you consider Mama 'weird'?

Ripples is my favourite song from A Trick Of The Tail, but I have to say the chorus, great though it is, seems too loud for the rest of the song!

I swore I wouldn't start posting photos but excuse just this one as it's so cute.

http://www.genesis-news.com/media/news/genesis-selfie-490.jpg

chaim
09-15-2015, 03:48 AM
I first heard Evidence Of Autumn on the Genesis Archive 2 (Collins era). I don't own it myself. I have the song on my Three Sides Live CD, which has a few studio bonus tracks. I just noticed that it was the B-side of Misunderstanding. I don't want to bash Misunderstanding. It's a nice pop song. And it sounds like a hit. But I'd rather have had EOA unreleased than put it on the B-side of such a simple boy/girl tune! Unless my memory fails me, a few years ago Tony said that he would have replaced Mike's Alone Tonight with EOA on Duke. I still remember Tony's exact words about Alone Tonight, and I agree: "A less remarkable offering".:hilarious: Those guys can diss each other's stuff honestly, without being mean. I guess they love each other enough. Mike and Phil laugh at Tony's love for strange chords.

You are right about "weird". As soon as I had typed that adjective I felt that it's not the right word for what I wanted to say. I still don't know the most accurate way to describe it, but Me & Sarah Jane in a way has the last signs of the "old school" Genesis. Tony's weird chords, many sections, bizarre lyric etc. combined in one song. I know that some other people too feel that this was the last Genesis song that was more connected to their old musical style. On the other hand the finale is perhaps closer to their 80's style.

That's a very nice picture, taken by Peter. Mike looks sweet as ever. Tony and Peter are as far from each other as they can be for a change! :hilarious:It's funny how in the old pictures Tony and Peter were often close to each other. (Was Tony seeking comfort from his old school mate?:hilarious:)

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2009/09/genesisg250-715337.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/Genesis_1967_lineup.jpg
https://outbeastattatch.s3.amazonaws.com/c/97d2247.jpg
http://luiscabral.net/misc/gen/genesislineup.gif
https://johnrieber.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/classic-genesis.jpg?w=700
http://www.glidemagazine.com/hiddentrack/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Genesis_belgium1972.jpg
http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/2015/article/flashback-peter-gabriel-reunites-with-genesis-in-1982-20150407/191452/large_rect/1428423541/1401x788-85003754.jpg
http://moonphotoshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/01_Genesis_at_Savoy_Hotel.jpg
http://donignacio.com/art/genesispic.jpg
http://www.genesis.pictures/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/HG05.jpg
http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/4/3/7/7/3/5/i/2/0/6/p-large/4__Genesis.jpg
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http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02950/genesis01_2950328c.jpg
http://digiphotostatic.libero.it/manu58dgl5/med/8e5eb27bc4_3663710_med.jpg

And here (the Archives "reunion", late 90's) Tony and Peter are close to each other again.:hilarious: http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Genesis-band-r22.jpg

And there's the Together & Apart documentary: http://www.theartsdesk.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/mast_image_landscape/mastimages/Genesis%201%20MAIN.jpg

And of course there's the school picture of two fine boys: http://www.multinet.no/~jonarne/Hjemmesia/Favorittartister/peter_gabriel/peter_gabriel_1966.jpg

I love this picture, because it looks like two guys arguing about who took whose pencil that one October night at school, and then there's Mike who's just having fun: http://s3.srfcdn.ch/images/auftritte/sendungsauftritte/sternstunde_musik/sendungen/sternstunde_musik/genesis_sum_of_the_parts_ii/73453802-2-ger-DE/genesis_sum_of_the_parts_ii_s8.jpg

The relationship between those two fascinates me, because they aren't as close anymore as they were in school, but it has been said that when the "classic five" got together to discuss a reunion (which eventually became the three man reunion), everyone assumed their old positions, and Peter and Tony were the best mates again - also with the friction that comes with it.

Funk 50
09-15-2015, 07:19 AM
I actually bought the Misunderstanding single in the early 80s when it first came out but I much preferred the b-side Evidence Of Autumn. I was delighted it's been subsequently released on some Genesis compilation albums.

Phil's contributions to the Duke album, Misunderstanding and Please Don't Ask could have ended up on Phil's first, classic divorce album Face Value. He gave Genesis first dabs on them.

Maybe if The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway had been more successful, they would have considered making Duke a double LP.

Duke also marks when Genesis started writing and recording with drum machines. I'm sure with tracks like Duchess, Mama and most obviously,In The Air Tonight, Phil single handedly ended the Music Union's Keep Music Live Campaign. They felt drum machines should be banned as they were doing drummers out of a job. :)

The drum machines have led to far less songs with odd and changing tempos and time signatures but I still love the band and love their music.

AlreadyGone95
09-15-2015, 01:03 PM
I find it hard to associate the word "weird" with the Collins era of the band. To me, weird nicely sums up some of the Gabriel era songs. I prefer the word "quirky". A perfect song for that word is Robbery, Assault, and Battery off of Trick of the Tail, which is a Collins/Banks song (it's also my favorite song on the album). The music is a bit out there, but it's very catchy. I think that even later songs like I Can't Dance can be described as quirky. Just my 2 cents, though.

chaim
09-15-2015, 01:19 PM
I find it hard to associate the word "weird" with the Collins era of the band. To me, weird nicely sums up some of the Gabriel era songs. I prefer the word "quirky". A perfect song for that word is Robbery, Assault, and Battery off of Trick of the Tail, which is a Collins/Banks song (it's also my favorite song on the album). The music is a bit out there, but it's very catchy. I think that even later songs like I Can't Dance can be described as quirky. Just my 2 cents, though.

A good word. I find Me & Sarah Jane quirky. The story is bizarre. Some of the chord progressions are strange. The overall structure is bizarre. If you tore the song apart, you wouldn't think that a lot of those bits can work in the same song. But they do!

You mentioned Robbery, Assault, and Battery. There's a nice bit in the instrumental section. When you play it on a guitar or keyboards, you'll find that Tony's fingers move very little when he moves from one chord to another. But still it's a unique chord progression.
I'm talking about the progression of eight chords that starts at 3:21 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ui-HncKTz4

That kind of darker (or quirkier) Banksian stuff ended with Me & Sarah Jane IMO. It came back on Calling All Stations.

AlreadyGone95
09-15-2015, 02:18 PM
A good word. I find Me & Sarah Jane quirky. The story is bizarre. Some of the chord progressions are strange. The overall structure is bizarre. If you tore the song apart, you wouldn't think that a lot of those bits can work in the same song. But they do!

You mentioned Robbery, Assault, and Battery. There's a nice bit in the instrumental section. When you play it on a guitar or keyboards, you'll find that Tony's fingers move very little when he moves from one chord to another. But still it's a unique chord progression.
I'm talking about the progression of eight chords that starts at 3:21 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ui-HncKTz4

That kind of darker (or quirkier) Banksian stuff ended with Me & Sarah Jane IMO. It came back on Calling All Stations.

When it comes to chord progressions and changes, it's like your speaking Finnish to me Chaim. :hilarious:. I do see the part in Robbery, Assault, and Battery that you're talking about.

I still need to give Calling All stations a listen. I bought it on cd several months ago and it's been collecting dust ever since.

chaim
09-15-2015, 02:26 PM
When it comes to chord progressions and changes, it's like your speaking Finnish to me Chaim. :hilarious:. I do see the part in Robbery, Assault, and Battery that you're talking about.

I still need to give Calling All stations a listen. I bought it on cd several months ago and it's been collecting dust ever since.
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IMO it's a criminally underrated album. Even Phil, who wasn't involved, has said that people didn't give it the chance it deserved. It's a rather dark album, and I can see that people who loved Invisible Touch, the song, might hate it. I love the fact that the more adventurous "Banksian chords" were back in some of the songs. On the other hand, Mike has said many times that he didn't realize how far apart he and Tony were musically until there wasn't Phil between them to smooth things out. Mike has also said that because they were so different, they would have needed a third writer if they had continued together.

Chord talk is like reading Finnish? Ei kai nyt sentään.:hilarious:

AlreadyGone95
09-15-2015, 02:49 PM
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IMO it's a criminally underrated album. Even Phil, who wasn't involved, has said that people didn't give it the chance it deserved. It's a rather dark album, and I can see that people who loved Invisible Touch, the song, might hate it. I love the fact that the more adventurous "Banksian chords" were back in some of the songs. On the other hand, Mike has said many times that he didn't realize how far apart he and Tony were musically until there wasn't Phil between them to smooth things out. Mike has also said that because they were so different, they would have needed a third writer if they had continued together.

Chord talk is like reading Finnish? Ei kai nyt sentään.:hilarious:

I love the darker side of Genesis, so I'll probably like the album then. I also love songs like That's All and Invisible Touch. So far, I've yet to come across a Genesis song that I hated. No Son of Mine is my favorite song of theirs, which is probably one of their darkest songs lyrically. I'll dig out Calling All Stations when I get a chance to. :)

So Phil was the glue that held the band together. It's hard for most fans to picture someone else singing besides Phil or Peter, I think.

As for the Finnish, google translated it as: Surely now, after all. :confused:

chaim
09-15-2015, 02:52 PM
I love the darker side of Genesis, so I'll probably like the album then. I also love songs like That's All and Invisible Touch. So far, I've yet to come across a Genesis song that I hated. No Son of Mine is my favorite song of theirs, which is probably one of their darkest songs lyrically. I'll dig out Calling All Stations when I get a chance to. :)

As for the Finnish, google translated it as: Surely now, after all. :confused:

:hilarious: I think "surely not?" would be a more accurate translation. 8-)

AlreadyGone95
09-15-2015, 03:03 PM
:hilarious: I think "surely not?" would be a more accurate translation. 8-)

Ah, I understand. We have a saying for when you can't understand something. "It's like speaking Greek to me". Since you're from Finland(correct me if I'm wrong), I changed it to make a joke.

Anyways, back to Genesis. :)

Freypower
09-15-2015, 06:42 PM
Regarding those photos I had seen a lot of them because I now have the Chapter & Verse book. They really did look like hippies in a few of those you posted, one in particular where Peter's hair was really long. The last one of the three originals caught my eye as well when I was looking at photos the other day. I have to say that the photos I have been saving are indeed from the Collins era, post Hackett.

Regarding CAS I have only heard the title track & seen the videos which are on The Video Show. Congo; good song. Not Genesis. :sad:

Wouldn't you class Domino as quirky & Banksian? What about TonightX3 which is one of the darkest things they ever wrote. I was listening to Do You Know, Do You Care yesterday & I thought 'this obviously continues from Face Value but it paves the way for that song'. I am much better at analysing lyrics than I am music, which I can't do at all.

It was bugging me yesterday that Mike had been on Top Gear. You can see him along with Brian Johnson & Charles Dance from Game Of Thrones at about 42:00. Richard Hammond is notorious for his dislike of Genesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5nquKlfTb8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzLquFQZ-8

chaim
09-16-2015, 05:27 AM
I was going to mention Tonight, Tonight, Tonight, but then I deleted it. Domino came to mind too. (both great songs) Although I know a bit of technical/theory stuff, I still couldn't quite explain why I don't consider those as connected to their old days as Me & Sarah Jane.

IMO Domino is "different", but within their 80's style. Maybe it's the same with TTT. Domino is very much a Banks song. Even the lyrics are his. The guitar riff, on the other hand, is very Mike and very 80's IMO.

But TTT and Domino don't scream "Banks!" or "old Genesis!" to me as much as Me & Sarah Jane does. It's my fault that I can't quite explain why. I should be able to explain it, since I'm the one who brought it up. The "quirky" piano playing in M&SJ might have something to do with it. Maybe I'll conclude this by saying that M&SJ was a song where Tony was still "let loose", while the two other songs have been "polished" by Phil and Mike and the 80's production/arranging style.

Funk 50
09-16-2015, 08:04 AM
I find it hard to associate the word "weird" with the Collins era of the band. To me, weird nicely sums up some of the Gabriel era songs. I prefer the word "quirky". A perfect song for that word is Robbery, Assault, and Battery off of Trick of the Tail, which is a Collins/Banks song (it's also my favorite song on the album). The music is a bit out there, but it's very catchy. I think that even later songs like I Can't Dance can be described as quirky. Just my 2 cents, though.

The quirky thing about I Can't Dance is that Tony played all the percussion stuff on his keyboard. ie. it's not adrum machine. It had a fabulous video and was quite something live too, with Phil on pretend harmonica and Michael Jackson dance steps :thumbsup:

It's very interesting hearing you girls talking about the old "weird and quirky" Genesis material. All the band members will say that they didn't have any female fans until Follow You, Follow Me became a hit single in 1978. A large majority of their international audience was spotty adolescent boys, who I think have stuck with them through the decades, despite the general opinion being, that the 80s and beyond stuff isn't as good as the classic early (obscure) stuff.

I half like Robbery, Assault And Battery. My favourite tracks on Trick Of The Tail are Mad Man Moon, Ripples and the title track. I love Tony's mellotron during Entangled. Dance On A Volcano and Los Endos are brilliant live.

I think Tony's most popular Genesis tracks are Firth Of Fifth, Afterglow and One For The Vine..... pre Follow You, Follow Me, anyway. :)

chaim
09-16-2015, 09:10 AM
A Trick Of The Tail was the first Genesis album I heard. I fell in love with it. For a while I didn't know that Peter Gabriel had been in Genesis. I must confess that when I was a teenager, I was an "old school" fan. I avoided their 80's stuff. The covers alone made me turn away.

Then, years later, at some point I actually started to listen to Genesis (the album) and Invisible Touch, and I noticed that they actually contain great songs! :hilarious: We Can't Dance contains some great stuff and some stuff I don't care for at all. Tell Me Why, for example, seems to me like another "let's be worried about the less fortunate people for a few minutes and then go eat a nice, juicy stake" song. I'm probably the only person on the planet who doesn't care for No Son Of Mine. The "concerned" Phil just does nothing for me. Even Driving The Last Spike. I think Phil chose a great subject there, but his way of writing and singing that kind of stuff is too naive IMO. I Can't Dance and Jesus He Knows Me are brilliant. Tony once said that when they were in the USA and saw a TV evangelist on TV for the first time, they thought it was a comedy. When Phil gets funny, not many can touch him. When he gets "concerned"...:doh:

I still find the Invisible Touch chorus intolerable. I still can't stand In Too Deep (sorry, Freypower). But I like most of that stuff a lot. And it's not like their early stuff didn't contain any filler material.

AlreadyGone95
09-16-2015, 01:30 PM
I have my uncle to thank for my love of Genesis and Phil Collins. I must have been about 14, and he showed me the Invisible Touch video. It wasn't so much the song that I loved as it was the music video. Then he showed me Illegal Alien. I liked the song very much. Then came No Son of Mine.

I love No Son of Mine for very personal reasons, especially the first verse. I was that kid in the song, although it was my mom who was the problem. My parents fought constantly. I don't mean just verbally. I mean it could get physical. I'll never forget being 5, and my parents and my 13 y/o brother all started fighting. I remember ducking underneath the kitchen table to avoid being hit by a breakable bowl my dad had thrown. CPS was called because my mom got to rough with my brother, and my brother went to live with our grandmother.
When my dad died, my mom and I started fighting and really haven't stopped doing so. I needed a place to hide and call home.

In the video, the father grabs his belt to punish his son. I tense automatically when I see that part of the video because it reminds me of my mom's discipline. A leather belt was her go to punishment for anything I'd done wrong. She would take out her frustration on me with the belt. She'd whipped me until she calmed down.

Ok, enough of that. Basically, I love the song because I can understand what the kid went through. It made me realize that others have gone through similar things and have gotten through them.

I love Jesus He Knows Me because I grew up going to a southern baptist church that slowly turned evangelical. (I eventually left the church)

It took a few years for me to discover the Gabriel era. I started out with Nursery Cryme and I fell in love with The Music Box, and I slowly went from there.

chaim
09-16-2015, 01:52 PM
That's a terrible story, and I hope the fighting with your mother will finally stop one day. And it is great if the song helps people. For me it's not the subject matter in No Son Of Mine that bothers me. There are certain lines that sound clumsy to me. "Things were never easy for me" comes to mind. I guess I would prefer a more abstract description of the feeling than saying exact things like that. I can't quite explain what I mean. I'll give an example of a similar thing. I was listening to some concept albums by a rock band. One album was one story. I would have preferred to read the story and then hear the character describe his feelings in any given situation in the actual lyrics. But instead the lyrics were describing the story - what was happening. "Ooh, I'm travelling in a vessel. Ooh, I'm moving to something new now".
Phil Collins is very straightforward in his lyric writing, of course. Sometimes I would like a bit more...vagueness, I guess.

AlreadyGone95
09-16-2015, 02:22 PM
Well, in a way, that particular lyric is a bit vague. It leaves "the things" open to interpretation, or at least I think so. Obviously, home life wasn't easy, but perhaps school wasn't as well?

I prefer more direct and straightforward lyrics.

Freypower
09-16-2015, 06:11 PM
A Trick Of The Tail was the first Genesis album I heard. I fell in love with it. For a while I didn't know that Peter Gabriel had been in Genesis. I must confess that when I was a teenager, I was an "old school" fan. I avoided their 80's stuff. The covers alone made me turn away.

Then, years later, at some point I actually started to listen to Genesis (the album) and Invisible Touch, and I noticed that they actually contain great songs! :hilarious: We Can't Dance contains some great stuff and some stuff I don't care for at all. Tell Me Why, for example, seems to me like another "let's be worried about the less fortunate people for a few minutes and then go eat a nice, juicy stake" song. I'm probably the only person on the planet who doesn't care for No Son Of Mine. The "concerned" Phil just does nothing for me. Even Driving The Last Spike. I think Phil chose a great subject there, but his way of writing and singing that kind of stuff is too naive IMO. I Can't Dance and Jesus He Knows Me are brilliant. Tony once said that when they were in the USA and saw a TV evangelist on TV for the first time, they thought it was a comedy. When Phil gets funny, not many can touch him. When he gets "concerned"...:doh:

I still find the Invisible Touch chorus intolerable. I still can't stand In Too Deep (sorry, Freypower). But I like most of that stuff a lot. And it's not like their early stuff didn't contain any filler material.

Concerned Phil is my favourite Phil, especially on his solo albums. Give me Both Sides of the Story & Don't Get Me Started over stuff like Come With Me & Testify. I am not sure about Another Day In Paradise, however. So I love NSOM & DTLS is basically my favourite track from We Can't Dance. Why the apology re In Too Deep? Did I say I love it (see what I did there, Throwing It All Away)? I do like it, but probably not as much as some of the eariler tracks I am now discovering. Regarding Tell Me Why, I see what you mean. I prefer the magnficent Land Of Confusion & also Living Forever for this type of lyric.

Freypower
09-16-2015, 06:21 PM
The quirky thing about I Can't Dance is that Tony played all the percussion stuff on his keyboard. ie. it's not adrum machine. It had a fabulous video and was quite something live too, with Phil on pretend harmonica and Michael Jackson dance steps :thumbsup:

It's very interesting hearing you girls talking about the old "weird and quirky" Genesis material. All the band members will say that they didn't have any female fans until Follow You, Follow Me became a hit single in 1978. A large majority of their international audience was spotty adolescent boys, who I think have stuck with them through the decades, despite the general opinion being, that the 80s and beyond stuff isn't as good as the classic early (obscure) stuff.

I half like Robbery, Assault And Battery. My favourite tracks on Trick Of The Tail are Mad Man Moon, Ripples and the title track. I love Tony's mellotron during Entangled. Dance On A Volcano and Los Endos are brilliant live.

I think Tony's most popular Genesis tracks are Firth Of Fifth, Afterglow and One For The Vine..... pre Follow You, Follow Me, anyway. :)

Do you know I think my husband, who saw them back in England in 1976, probably now resents that I have now become such a big fan. He is a huge prog rock fan. Hence although he saw them after Gabriel he prefers the Gabriel era. He hates Duke, which is Tony's favourite album. His favourite though is Trick Of The Tail. We both saw Gabriel on the Us tour.

FYFM did alert women to them. I shamelessly adore it. The big surprise in When In Rome was that Phil drummed on it when it was the last song I expected him to drum on, given the nature of it. But as I said in the previous post, it isn't really the IT & WCD love songs that got me. It just took me a long time to really listen to TTT & Domino. What I find very strange is that I've had the self titled a long time (my husband must have brought it with him from England) and it's only now I realise how great it is. It's my second favourite album after WCD. WCD will always be first with me.

I should apologise for these posts being so incoherent. It's nice to have people to discuss this with. I am on the verge of joining the message board; I have to try & think of a name. Whatever I choose it won't involve anything to do with 'power'. :shy:

This is interesting:

http://www.udiscovermusic.com/genesis-20-songs

AlreadyGone95
09-16-2015, 07:29 PM
I must be in the small minority of females who are Genesis fans, but don't like FYFM. It's a good pop song, but it never caught my attention. Of their really poppy songs, That's All is probably my favorite.

I have a hard time ranking albums. I think that my favorites are the same as FP's but switched, self titled then We Can't Dance. Selling England, Invisible Touch, Nursery Cryme, Lamb, and Trick of the Tail would be next, but I can't do an order. Abacab is probably my leaat favorite album of theirs.

Freypower
09-16-2015, 08:06 PM
But I didn't rank the albums I have! I listed the ones I own in chronological order. I suppose I should rank them:

We Can't Dance
Genesis
Invisible Touch
Abacab
A Trick Of The Tail
Duke

We also have Selling England on Super Audio CD & I have listened to some of it.

AlreadyGone95
09-16-2015, 08:40 PM
I was referring to your above post where you were talking about We Can't Dance and Genesis, so I decided to rank some of the albums.

I have every album on either cd or vinyl or both. I've listened to most of them in full, except Calling All Stations, Trepass, Then there were 3, and Wind and Wuthering.

chaim
09-17-2015, 04:51 AM
Concerned Phil is my favourite Phil, especially on his solo albums. Give me Both Sides of the Story & Don't Get Me Started over stuff like Come With Me & Testify. I am not sure about Another Day In Paradise, however. So I love NSOM & DTLS is basically my favourite track from We Can't Dance. Why the apology re In Too Deep? Did I say I love it (see what I did there, Throwing It All Away)? I do like it, but probably not as much as some of the eariler tracks I am now discovering. Regarding Tell Me Why, I see what you mean. I prefer the magnficent Land Of Confusion & also Living Forever for this type of lyric.

Yeah, I remember you saying that you love In Too Deep in some other thread, where I said that I can't stand it. My memory may have failed me, of course.
A nice reference to Throwing It All Away.:hilarious: That's another lyric - this time Mike's - that I don't care for at all. Some of it works, but some of it feels too lame.

Funk 50
09-18-2015, 01:36 PM
I'm a huge fan of Phil Collins but I must admit some of his lyrics are pretty tepid. We have a laugh about some of his long-winded and misguided song titles too. Don't Call Me Ashley always raises a giggle.

I'm happy to take the iffy lyrics if it means getting albums done. Genesis get in the studio, jam around a bit and a couple of months later an album hits the shops. Very different to one of my other favourite, top selling, 70s and beyond, classic rock bands. :)

Funk 50
09-21-2015, 07:22 AM
I've got all the Genesis albums apart from Abacab although I may have bought that somewhere, sometime, just to complete my collection and mislaid it.

I bought the Abacab singles. The title track, Man On The Corner and Keep It Dark as I always enjoyed the Genesis b-sides. Plus, a big chunk of Abacab, including favourite Me And Sarah Jane, was on the Three Sides Live double live album that followed it and the live versions of the songs are inevitably better than the studio versions.

I actually heard a Radio session that Phil, Mike and Tony played at the time and two of the songs they played weren't even on the album. Naminanu is the only one I remember.

I quite like the Calling All Stations, non album tracks, particularly the 3 track ep. Anything Now, Sign Your Life Away and Run Out Of Time are every bit as good as the stuff that made the cut.

http://www.genesis-news.com/c-Genesis-Calling-All-Stations-NONALBUMTRACKS--s243.html

Genesis have some wonderful fan-sites too.:thumbsup:

chaim
09-21-2015, 01:05 PM
Great to read about your Genesis experiences from decades ago, Funk 50, as I'm too young to have experienced that stuff. And it's great when you mention some lesser known song titles.

Freypower
09-21-2015, 07:08 PM
The forum which links to Genesis News isn't really active. The one I am thinking of joining is this:

http://genesisgts.conforums.com/index.cgi

but I have yet to think of a clever user name. I also ordered a couple of T shirts from the band's official store. 'Stay tuned for tour news' my email says. Yeah, right. And I've been making signatures, as you can see.

Good grief, Toni. Is this you?!! The user name is chaim!

I don't think that Follow You, Follow me is a bad song, but it does absolutely nothing for ME. It's like the Invisible Touch chorus. I don't think it's bad. It's darn catchy. But I find it beyond tolerable.

I have my answer. In a post about Carpet Crawlers you write:

Oh, and the lyrics contain wonderful imagery (even for a Finn) in and out of context.

My worry is that my relative lack of knowledge about the Gabriel era will make it hard for me to fit in.

I had been wondering if Phi ever did any Genesis songs solo. Here is Turn It On Again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ru8IzQawM

chaim
09-22-2015, 06:30 AM
It's me alright. I very rarely visit that forum, and I haven't made that many posts. But I like the place. Krissy, the moderator, is a huge Banks fan. Krissy & Tony is a bit like you & Glenn.:smile:

I don't know who's who on that forum, but I think there are all kinds of Genesis people. Some prefer the earlier years, some prefer the "Phil era" with Steve etc. So your lack of knowledge about the Gabriel era is no excuse for not registering IMO.;)

Funk 50
09-22-2015, 07:03 AM
My worry is that my relative lack of knowledge about the Gabriel era will make it hard for me to fit in.

The first concert I ever went to was a Genesis gig in 1981-ish. I was unfamiliar with their back catalog. I had bought their Seconds Out Live album the pay day before the concert I'd heard You're Own Special Way, rarely and Follow You, Follow Me a few times, on the radio. Misunderstanding, Turn It On Again and Abacab bit a bit of radio airplay too. I had a mix tape from a friend with Dodo /Lurker on it.

I was aware, down to reading music mags, that some old time Genesis fans weren't keen on the new direction, the bandwere taking and may even boo if they played Whodunnit? or NO Reply At All.

I was looking forward to the show but was a little apprehensive and nervous, attending my first gig.

After the first few, opening tracks, Phil welcomed the audience, thanking every one for coming. He established that a large number, had attended the previous night. Some had attended every show of the tour,so far. Phil, then gave a special welcome to all the audience members who were attending their first Genesis concert. It was wonderful to hear. I've learned that it's something Phil, makes a point of doing at every show. I think I became a Genesis fan at that moment.

They didn't play No Reply At All. Whodunnit? was stunning as Phil performed it, stood on a pedestal, just above Mike... on Drums! The new tracks were fine, Man On The Corner was fantastic, Afterglow and Los Endos were truly moving. By the end of the show, the concert was a triumph. My first concert, I was first up (with everybody else) for the standing ovation. I wouldn't have remembered that it was a seated concert if I hadn't remembered the audience standing as one at the end of Los Endos.

I attended a Genesis concert the following year too. The encore of Turn It On Again, a track that a year earlier, I had witnessed receiving slightly enthusiastic applause, sending the crowd nuts when they launched into Pinball Wizard. All the hostility towards the new music had disappeared.

There are exceptions, of course, but Genesis fans are very supportive. Part of the joy of a Genesis concert is the supportive atmosphere and warmth of the audience. Just listen to the cheer Chester Thompson, a black American, always gets when he's announced to the audience. It was Mike and Tony that gave up on Ray Wilson, the audience didn't, despite his short comings.

Funk 50
09-22-2015, 07:22 AM
I had been wondering if Phi ever did any Genesis songs solo. Here is Turn It On Again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ru8IzQawM
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There was a TV show when a member of the audience requested he sing Home By The Sea. Keyboard player, Brad Cole, looked it up in a Genesis song book, looked at it for a couple of seconds then tossed it away and started playing it. The rest of the band (guitarist Daryl Steurmur had played it hundreds of times with Genesis) joined in and Phil said I'll have to start singing it now and he did :D

Phil's always ready to break into song. He sang Afterglow with Tony on piano.At the end of the song he even did the crowd cheering. It really did sound unfinished without it.

The only Genesis track he's recorded is an alternate version of Behind The Lines on his first solo album.

The story is, is that the band were doing a proof listening to the final mix of the entire Duke album before sending the tape reels off to the record manufacturers. To speed the laborious process up, they played the album, speeded up. Phil loved the groove of the speeded up version of Behind The Lines so much, he did his own version of it. :D

Freypower
09-22-2015, 07:06 PM
F50, I am so envious of you having seen them. Hubby has seen them but it was in the Trick of the Tail era when Phil had a huge beard.

I actually prefer Phil's version of Behind The Lines to the Genesis version, but Face Value is like a religion with me. As for HBTS - I just found a snippet of it from Storytellers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDabw0LSl8c&index=1&list=RDXDabw0LSl8c :fainting:

During this show in I Can't Dance he sings the line 'a perfect body and a perfect face' & then says 'that was written about me'. He says the song was a piss take of jeans ads.

So I guess it's Peter who has never performed any Genesis tracks live. Of course he doesn't need to; neither did Phil. Compare with Frey & Henley.

I had the vague impression from looking at the Genesis forum that Whodunnit? is one of their most hated tracks. Not by me it isn't. Neither is No Reply At All which seems to foreshadow Face Value.

Funk 50
09-23-2015, 02:19 PM
Thanks for the link Freypower, I enjoyed seeing that again. I see that Phil sang No Son Of Mine on that show too.

I Can't Dance and Jesus He Knows Me were fabulous live, performed as a sort of extension to their fabulous MTV videos.

I was privileged to see Genesis live on many occasions since the 1980s through to their 2007 reunion. Truly blessed to see them at a 3,000 seater, at the peak of their success. We had to queue for about 16 hours, outside the venue, in the rain, months in advance of the show, to get tickets. Again, come show time, Phil thanked us for queuing all day in the rain, all those months before. After seeing them at Stadiums, Arenas and Festivals, the connection we got at the Theatre show was awe-inspiring. Even the Ray Wilson shows were much bigger arena shows.

All the Genesis solo tours started in small venues. Phil didn't even tour Face Value as he reckoned he didn't have enough songs to play. Peter Gabriel's first tour included a cover or two and, as an encore, Back In New York City from his Genesis catalogue. He later occasionally performed The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway as an alternative.

I didn't get into Gabriel's solo stuff, until his brilliant Soalbum in the mid 80s. I've seen him live a few times since. I liked his previous hit records but I preferred his later albums much the same as The Eagles.

Genesis were past their peak when I saw them in 2007. Phil's lost the ability to drum since but I'd still love to see them again, given the chance.

Freypower
09-23-2015, 06:04 PM
It's me alright. I very rarely visit that forum, and I haven't made that many posts. But I like the place. Krissy, the moderator, is a huge Banks fan. Krissy & Tony is bit like you & Glenn.:smile:

I don't know who's who on that forum, but I think there are all kinds of Genesis people. Some prefer the earlier years, some prefer the "Phil era" with Steve etc. So you lack of knowledge about the Gabriel era is no excuse for not registering IMO.;)

I didn't know whether to say anything about this but here goes; very quickly. If I do register there she may have some competition. :fainting:There, the cat is out of the bag. I'm off now.

However, F50, I highly recommend Peter's first four albums, especially 1 which contains Solsbury Hill & 3 which contains Games Without Frontiers & Biko, & also Us, the post So album, which contains Steam & Digging In The Dirt.

chaim
09-24-2015, 11:50 AM
I'm aware that I'm probably the only person on the planet who doesn't care for Solsbury Hill. I still don't understand what makes it so great, but it's great that people like it. My favorites on that fist album are Humdrum and Here Comes The Flood (which Ezrin ruined, as far as Peter's concerned, with production).

The ballads on the second album are great.

On the 3rd album my favorites are Intruder and No Self Control. Again, I don't care for the most popular song, Biko.

I'm sure that I'm the only person on the planet whose favorite song on Us is We Do What We're Told.

Up is a fantastic album. Darkness, My Head Sounds Like That and Signal To Noise, and possible Sky Blue, are the highlights for me. It seems to me that Peter was starting to face his own mortality on this album and to find solace in spirituality, because our bodies won't last. Some of the lyrics seem to say that we won't die when our body dies.

Funk 50
09-24-2015, 05:55 PM
Chaim, I'll wager that you haven't seen Salisbury Hill live. It's always a joyous experience to behold but I loved the single from the off, with Peter on flute. I prefer the solo piano version of Here Comes The Flood. Biko is a mighty anti apartheid anthem. Have you discovered the majesty of San Jacinto yet?

I've loved all Peter's post So albums. I bought them as soon as they came out. I'm lucky enough to have a number of Genesis fans in my family. Between us, we got practically everything they released, except poor old Tony's solo albums. Nobody volunteered. :shrug:

Freypower
09-24-2015, 06:03 PM
I'm aware that I'm probably the only person on the planet who doesn't care for Solsbury Hill. I still don't understand what makes it so great, but it's great that people like it. My favorites on that fist album are Humdrum and Here Comes The Flood (which Ezrin ruined, as far as Peter's concerned, with production).

The ballads on the second album are great.

On the 3rd album my favorites are Intruder and No Self Control. Again, I don't care for the most popular song, Biko.

I'm sure that I'm the only person on the planet whose favorite song on Us is We Do What We're Told.

Up is a fantastic album. Darkness, My Head Sounds Like That and Signal To Noise, and possible Sky Blue, are the highlights for me. It seems to me that Peter was starting to face his own mortality on this album and to find solace in spirituality, because our bodies won't last. Some of the lyrics seem to say that we won't die when our body dies.

We Do What We're Told is from So! I like it too!

Why is Solsbury Hill great? How can you not listen to that acoustic guitar intro & just instantly have a huge smile on your face? Then you listen to it... the huge feeling of liberation you get from it. I don't know yet, but I think maybe Part of the Scenery might be a good user name.:hmm:

I really should stop all this & go & join. I have to say though it is filling a void while Mr Frey is invisible (please, no puns on that word...)

UndertheWire
09-25-2015, 05:39 AM
Chaim, I'll wager that you haven't seen Salisbury Hill live.
Who peformed Salisbury Hill? My favourite performance of Solsbury Hill is by a local busker. Just the man, his voice and a guitar and it shows how good a song it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfpCqbCgnKQ

chaim
09-25-2015, 06:46 AM
We Do What We're Told is from So! I like it too!

Why is Solsbury Hill great? How can you not listen to that acoustic guitar intro & just instantly have a huge smile on your face? Then you listen to it... the huge feeling of liberation you get from it. I don't know yet, but I think maybe Part of the Scenery might be a good user name.:hmm:

I really should stop all this & go & join. I have to say though it is filling a void while Mr Frey is invisible (please, no puns on that word...)

Oh, that was a typo (my fingers didn't know what they were doing), although an embarrassing one. Having said that, I have to admit that when it comes to Up and Us, I never seem to remember which one is which.

Solsbury Hill does have an uplifting quality, but to me it's just another song, nothig special.

chaim
09-25-2015, 06:51 AM
Chaim, I'll wager that you haven't seen Salisbury Hill live. It's always a joyous experience to behold but I loved the single from the off, with Peter on flute. I prefer the solo piano version of Here Comes The Flood. Biko is a mighty anti apartheid anthem. Have you discovered the majesty of San Jacinto yet?

I've loved all Peter's post So albums. I bought them as soon as they came out. I'm lucky enough to have a number of Genesis fans in my family. Between us, we got practically everything they released, except poor old Tony's solo albums. Nobody volunteered. :shrug:

I've seen a live version where, I think, Peter was riding a bicycle.:smile: I mean, it's a nice song, but I don't get what makes it so special.

I appreciate Biko's message, but musically it does nothing for me.

Peter's fourth album still hasn't grabbed me. I have waited for the opportunity to buy it from some second hand store, since I don't want to pay the price of a new CD. I will give it another chance at some point.

Funk 50
09-29-2015, 06:00 AM
The cycle thing was a bit of an aberration. Here's Peter, ably assisted by David Rhodes and Tony Levin, showing what a joyous, uplifting experience Salisbury Hill, is;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpePvu3A_UM

Genesis played Salisbury Hill once during the 1982, Six Of The Best reunion concert to help Peter pay off his Womad debts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_of_the_Best


Set list
01 Back in N.Y.C.
02 Dancing with the Moonlit Knight / The Carpet Crawl
03 Firth of Fifth
04 The Musical Box
05 Solsbury Hill
06 Turn It On Again (vocals: Phil Collins; drums: Peter Gabriel)
07 The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
08 Fly on a Windshield
09 Broadway Melody of 1974
10 In the Cage
11 Supper's Ready
encore
12 I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) (guitar: Steve Hackett)
13 The Knife (guitar: Steve Hackett)

Only 13 tracks but 2 hours long.

Mike Rutherford spoke about it earlier this year; https://www.teamrock.com/news/2015-02-06/genesis-should-have-filmed-peter-gabriel-reunion-1982

Here's all six speaking before the event; http://www.genesismuseum.com/6otb.htm

Freypower
09-29-2015, 05:38 PM
Funk, it's called Solsbury Hill. It's a place near Bath where Peter lives.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solsbury_Hill_(song)

Jonny Come Lately
09-30-2015, 09:29 AM
I appreciate this is going off at a bit of a tangent but I thought I'd share this Top Gear clip I've found featuring Genesis.

Jeremy Clarkson is a huge fan of Genesis and he added a piece about the Selling England By The Pound album to one of the box sets (I think it was from about 2008?). Richard Hammond, however, hates Genesis and especially dislikes 'I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)'. As a result in this clip from the Top Gear India Special (Series 17), Clarkson blares out the song from a loudspeaker on his car to 'cheer up' Hammond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRzLquFQZ-8

The version used is I think the 1977 Seconds Out live recording. Hammond's extreme reaction to the song has me in stitches every time (especially 0:16-0:21)!

AlreadyGone95
09-30-2015, 01:25 PM
Phil Collins was the answer to a Jeopardy question last night.

The category was "Hairless Bands". Each correct response had to be the name of the bald person within the band.

The clue was (I'm paraphrasing): "The guy sang "always the same, it's just a shame, that's all" with his band Genesis.

I literally yelled the answer to the tv. Like Alex Trebek can hear me. Lol

Freypower
09-30-2015, 05:33 PM
Phil Collins was the answer to a Jeopardy question last night.

The category was "Hairless Bands". Each correct response had to be the name of the bald person within the band.

The clue was (I'm paraphrasing): "The guy sang "always the same, it's just a shame, that's all" with his band Genesis.

I literally yelled the answer to the tv. Like Alex Trebek can hear me. Lol

Love it & I'm so glad that particular song was used as the clue rather than something obvious like Invisible Touch.

Of course Peter is bald too now...

AlreadyGone95
09-30-2015, 06:30 PM
Love it & I'm so glad that particular song was used as the clue rather than something obvious like Invisible Touch.

Of course Peter is bald too now...

I was kind of shocked (in a good way) at the song choice. Like you said, Invisible Touch is much more obvious. I thought about Peter afterwards, but since Collins era Genesis is much more well known in the states than the Gabriel era, I'm not surprised that they picked Phil to be the answer.

Freypower
09-30-2015, 07:57 PM
I was kind of shocked (in a good way) at the song choice. Like you said, Invisible Touch is much more obvious. I thought about Peter afterwards, but since Collins era Genesis is much more well known in the states than the Gabriel era, I'm not surprised that they picked Phil to be the answer.

Yes, but the point is he's bald now. He wasn't when he was in the band. He had a nice head of long dark hair (sounds familiar)?!

Funk 50
10-01-2015, 05:35 AM
Phil Collins was the answer to a Jeopardy question last night.

The category was "Hairless Bands". Each correct response had to be the name of the bald person within the band.

The clue was (I'm paraphrasing): "The guy sang "always the same, it's just a shame, that's all" with his band Genesis.

I literally yelled the answer to the tv. Like Alex Trebek can hear me. Lol

Is this the hairless guy in question?;

https://cbswogl2.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/phil-collins-getty-4.jpg?w=342

I've just learnt how to post an image :partytime:

AlreadyGone95
10-01-2015, 11:44 AM
:hmm:. No FP, that doesn't sound familiar at all. :lie: ;).

F50, it's hard to believe that this is the same man as the guy in the pho you posted (congrats btw)

http://rs1283.pbsrc.com/albums/a552/kim_dixon2/Mobile%20Uploads/2w985c0.bild__zpsikvwdqou.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

Freypower
10-01-2015, 05:29 PM
That's what Phil looked like when my husband saw him. I swear I'm not going to post any more photos in this thread.....

chaim
10-03-2015, 04:20 AM
Now that you mentioned hair....

Mike Rutherford started to lose hair decades ago. It seems that it either stopped or slowed down at some point. Tony mentioned Mike's hair loss a decade or two ago. There may be grammatical errors, as I'm a Finn, but basically Tony said: "Mike is balding and I'm graying. It's a race to see who gets his first".:hilarious:

AlreadyGone95
10-03-2015, 12:21 PM
Now that you mentioned hair....

Mike Rutherford started to lose hair decades ago. It seems that the process either stopped or slowed down at some point. Tony mentioned Mike's hair loss a decade or two ago. There may be grammatical errors, as I'm a Finn, but basically Tony said: "Mike is balding and I'm graying. It's a race to see who gets his first".:hilarious:

:rofl:. Tony looks great with gray hair. Mike still looks good as well. There was a period in mid-late 70s where Mike looked at a modern day Jesus Christ with the long hair and beard. (At least that's what my uncle thinks)

Case in point:
http://rs1283.pbsrc.com/albums/a552/kim_dixon2/Mobile%20Uploads/684885917673f987ab02d3b60b5e4e8c_zpsdxrw5jx9.jpg?w =480&h=480&fit=clip

Freypower
10-03-2015, 07:07 PM
Tony with grey hair; discuss.

https://scontent.fadl1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-8/11947854_539678259518253_6610284167540662893_o.jpg

AlreadyGone95
10-03-2015, 07:43 PM
Imo, Tony is the best looking guy of the band now. No offense to Phil, but I don't like bald men. Mike was the best looking of the group for the 70s/80s, but he's aged more so than Tony.

In short= gray hair looks good on Tony.

AlreadyGone95
10-06-2015, 12:17 PM
I just bought Three Sides Live on vinyl. I'm not at all familiar with their live recordings, but I couldn't pass up on buying it. I hope that I'm in for a pleasant surprise!

Funk 50
10-07-2015, 03:48 AM
I just bought Three Sides Live on vinyl. I'm not at all familiar with their live recordings, but I couldn't pass up on buying it. I hope that I'm in for a pleasant surprise!

Which version have you got AG95?, there are two. One, literally has 3 sides live, plus, off the top of my head, a fourth side of, recent at the time, non-album tracks. ie Evidence Of Autumn, Open Door, Paperlate, You Might Recall & Me And Virgil. I haven't heard Open Door for years, I'll have to dig it out and give it a spin. :smile:

The second version, the U.K. version, I believe, was completely live. The fourth side was made up of live recordings from a previous tour. The tracks chosen, again off the top of my head, One For The Vine, Fountain Of Salmacis & It / Watcher Of The Skies (closing section) were all tracks I've never seen live and weren't on their previous two live albums. I love all three, particularly the last medley.

These tracks, and Follow You Follow Me, featured, Bill Bruford on drums, who played with Genesis for a short while. Phil decided he wasn't the right guy and brought in Chester Thompson, who has been Phil's stand-in drummer ever since. Joe Vitale almost replaced Chester, when Phil embarked on his solo career, about the time of Three Sides Live. Phil asked Vitale to be the drummer in his solo band. Joe, astoundingly, declined as he had other commitments.

Three Sides Live starts with Turn It On Again, which I thought was a strange choice as I'd seen them live, twice. They opened with Behind The Lines / Duchess, the first time and Dodo/Lurker / Abacab the second time. Both great opening salvoes, all 4 tracks are on Three Sides Live. In concert, they played Turn It On Again late in the show. It later became a wonderful, one song encore.

I was disappointed that Phil's Man On The Corner wasn't on the album but it did have a great version of Me And Sarah Jane. Misunderstanding and Follow You Follow Me were hit singles, certainly enjoyable, if a little lightweight.

The centrepiece is the In The Cage medley. Great lights, great drums, immense power. Sounds good on record too. The medley closes with a stunning Afterglow. The wonderful stage shot, on the inside cover of the double LP, is taken from Afterglow. It was, a hairs on the back of your neck standing up, moment, when the whole stage, bathed in dry ice, turns pink as Phil sings the final chorus.

It's surprising how well the slow songs / ballads go down at a Genesis concert. Remembering that their fans were exclusively adolescent boys for the first 8 to 10 years of their career.

One of Phil's solo staples is the ballad, Separate Lives. I can't stand the single but, there's no doubting that it's one of the highlights of his live show, amongst a whole raft of great tunes.

If, like the Eagles, you're successful all over the world, over a period of several decades, you've earned your luck. You've got to be something special. Genesis are/were! :?

I don't think there are any surprises on Three Sides Live AG95 but there's a whole lot a great Genesis music.

Funk 50
10-07-2015, 05:21 AM
After typing all that, I've just read some great Phil Collins/Genesis news.

http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-10-07/phil-collins-kicks-off-retrospective-campaign

Extended Phil Collins reissues to be released in November and, despite trying and opting not to reignite his music career last year, Phil has not given up. He'll be performing a charity fund-raiser in Miami in December.

If Phil gets his mojo back, a Genesis reunion is definitely on the cards but it's a big If.

Always great to hear If Leaving Me Is Easy, too:smile:

AlreadyGone95
10-07-2015, 01:27 PM
I've got the UK version. (Kind of shocked that it's available in the states for a pretty cheap price.) I plan on making tonight "vinyl night" and it'll be first on my record player. "Great music" is what I meant by a surprise. I'm usually not a big fan of non video live albums. (Only exception are Eagles Live, Live at Fillmore East (Allman Brothers Band), and Frampton Comes Alive). To me, very few bands sound as great live as they do in the studio.

I can't picture Joe Vitale playing drums with Genesis. It justs seems to be too odd of a pairing. Until I read the Genesis book, I thought that Chester was the only drummer they ever had after Phil became lead singer.

That's great that Phil is rereleasing some of his solo albums with a bonus disc!

Freypower
10-07-2015, 05:57 PM
After typing all that, I've just read some great Phil Collins/Genesis news.

http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-10-07/phil-collins-kicks-off-retrospective-campaign

Extended Phil Collins reissues to be released in November and, despite trying and opting not to reignite his music career last year, Phil has not given up. He'll be performing a charity fund-raiser in Miami in December.

If Phil gets his mojo back, a Genesis reunion is definitely on the cards but it's a big If.

Always great to hear If Leaving Me Is Easy, too:smile:

I've been aware of that for some time. The new covers of FV & BS are very striking; but I haven't decided whether to purchase the reissues or not.

The reality is there will not be a Genesis reunion if Phil can't play. He has to play as well as sing.

chaim
10-10-2015, 01:56 PM
Just found this. I didn't know it's on YouTube. Tony gets the prog award and gives a very funny speech. Peter does the introduction - very funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUK3QLAvH6Q

Freypower
10-10-2015, 09:09 PM
Wow.

'12th best keyboard player? Who the f&*k are the other 11'?!

Excuse me while I faint, although in the third shot (when talking about Margaret) he looks a bit like that other control freak called Tony. Blair.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Miscellaneous/Prog%20Rock%20Award3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Miscellaneous/Prog%20Rock%20Award.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Miscellaneous/Prog%20Rock%20Award2.jpg

AlreadyGone95
10-10-2015, 11:47 PM
"I don't want to say anything rude tonight, but one has to say something about hair, maybe. *runs hand through his hair*. But that's ok. You've still got a bit left Peter, probably slightly more than Phil." :rofl:

I laughed so hard that I cried. Thanks so much for posting that Chaim! Nice to see Tony being recognized for his immense work, and the fact that Peter presented it to him only made it better.

Love those screen shots FP. (Though I must admit to not knowing what Tony Blair looks like).

Funk 50
10-11-2015, 06:43 AM
Thanks Chaim and FP.

Except for maybe Steve Hackett and Ray Wilson, the Genesis guys do appear to be a closely knit bunch, even including Anthony Phillips and some of the backstage boys.

I watched Peter Gabriel on The South Bank Show 1983, Making of Security doc too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scmYG1Pv1_Q

San Jacinto is still an event every time I hear it. I bet Peter's still not completely satisfied with I Have The Touch. I think he's released 3 or 4 different versions of that.

The bad reviews Security got are, in retrospect, blinkered and misguided. It was the point where you realised that Peter was wasted as lead singer of Genesis.

I can see why Peter takes so long to make an L.P., especially after digital tech has replaced all those analog synths he was using in the early 80s.

I love Genesis and Eagles but they are complete opposites, when it comes to transparency. Genesis, from the very beginning, have always been happy to share their live material and demo work, even their creative process with their fans. Eagles try to keep all that stuff under wraps, only revealing the end product.

I'm sure Eagles, initially intended to capture the making of Long Road Out Of Eden on film. I expect they abandoned it at the same time as they abandoned working with Bill Szymczyk.

Even in the age before the internet, mp3s and YouTube, Peter casually refers to stealing music, several times during the documentary. I bet Henley still likes him though. ;-)

AlreadyGone95
10-12-2015, 04:21 PM
Phil Collins will be releasing his autobiography in October of next year according to Rolling Stone.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/phil-collins-warts-and-all-autobiography-arriving-in-2016-20151012#ixzz3oNtnxzYE

Freypower
10-12-2015, 04:38 PM
Fantastic. We may find out whether it's actually true that he announced to his second wife that he was divorcing her via fax. There is a lot I would like to know about how he felt as the 'third' lyricist in Genesis. Why did his solo career start with so many soul baring, difficult songs & finish up (mostly) as poppy love songs? I love the man & can't wait to read this.

Titles? How about Testify, I Missed Again, Through My Eyes (Spell it right this time, Phil), In Too Deep or (He He) Throwing It All Away? I Don't Care Anymore? I Can't Dance? :drummer:

AlreadyGone95
10-12-2015, 04:50 PM
I figured that you would be delighted to read that, FP :).

For me, I want to know more about the transition from drummer to lead singer/drummer. How he felt about going from the back behind Peter to now having the spotlight on himself. I also would like to know more about how he became interested in music and playing the drums.

I didn't know about the other book he wrote. I might have to check into that.

If the book is labeled a tell all, then I Don't Care Anymore does sound appropriate.

Freypower
10-12-2015, 05:00 PM
I figured that you would be delighted to read that, FP :).

For me, I want to know more about the transition from drummer to lead singer/drummer. How he felt about going from the back behind Peter to now having the spotlight on himself. I also would like to know more about how he became interested in music and playing the drums.

I didn't know about the other book he wrote. I might have to check into that.

If the book is labeled a tell all, then I Don't Care Anymore does sound appropriate.

I was joking. Given that song is from the second solo album where he was still pouring out his bitterness at the end of his marriage I think it's highly unlikely he'd use it, especially because by now, probably only hardcores know it. He will probably call lit something anodyne like Against All Odds.:shrug:

AlreadyGone95
10-12-2015, 05:18 PM
I Don't Care Anymore is somewhat popular here. I've heard it on the radio alot. After In The Air Tonight and maybe Easy Lover, it's the most played Phil solo song on my local stations. That drum beat is instantly recognizable, and it gets your attention.

Against All Odds would be a good title, I think. Of course, he could forgo naming the book after one of his songs, and name it something really generic like Phil Collins: my life in music.

Now I'm ready for this time next year to already be here. Lol

Funk 50
10-13-2015, 03:41 PM
The Phil Collins song I hear most on the radio would be the ultra poppyTwo Hearts.

The story of how Phil became Genesis lead singer has been oft told. I'm sure it'll be in his book but here goes.

When Peter announced to the band that he was leaving, they were worried that the press would declare the band, finished, so Peter agreed not to publicly announce the news until the the band were ready to release their first Gabrieless album.

The band set to work on Trick Of The Tail and finding a replacement vocalist.
Phil provided guide vocals for a whole procession of prospective vocalists. As the search dragged on unsuccessfully, the band talked Phil into singing one or two tracks on the album, as the, Gabriel is quitting Genesis, news leaked out, the band hurriedly finished Trick Of The Tail with Phil providing all the vocals.
This also explains the inclusion of the Los Endos medley. The band were still a track short so they made a medley of all the other songs to complete the album.

With the album out and still no lead singer, Phil agreed to take over from Gabriel on stage too, as long as he would still be the Genesis drummer. Phil's drumming pal, Bill Bruford offered to help out on stage while Phil was up front singing. Chester Thompson became the permanent Genesis live drummer shortly after.

Phil even adopted Peter's multilingual track introductions, even though he didn't speak any languages apart from English.

Towards the end of the seventies, Phil was experiencing. long distance marriage difficulties. so the band took a hiatus to give Phil time to try and patch up his relationship with his wife. Mike and Tony made solo albums, Phil's marriage couldn't be saved so he ended up sad, lonely and depressed. He spent his time alone in his newly acquired home studio.

When Genesis regrouped to make Duke Phil, for the first time, brought some completed songs to the table. He'd demo'd a whole bunch of songs inspired by the break-up of his marriage. Genesis adopted Misunderstanding and Please Don't Ask. Phil's solo career was built on the others.

The "Phil Collins divorces wife by fax" story was a tabloid headline that really upset Phil.
He'd been a fabulous ambassador for the country, all over the world, for many years but he became known as the guy that dumped his wife by text. The context and validity of the story was unimportant, it was the headline that stuck.

I haven't bought a book since Joe Vitale's Backstage Pass. I'll definitely buy Phil's book. He's had an amazing career. I just hope that there is still a positive chapter or two, in front of him.

AlreadyGone95
10-15-2015, 11:39 AM
I wasn't talking about the story of him becoming lead singer/songwriter. I'm interested in reading what it was like for him on a personal level. Obviously, Face Value is very personal and speaks for the years 1980/1981. However, I'm talking about wanting to know how he felt and dealt with becoming the lead singer. The Genesis autobiography told the story very plainly. I'm interested in reading about the story and transition from Phil's prospective.

chaim
10-15-2015, 01:07 PM
I don't mind people naming their books after song titles, but I hate chapter titles that are song titles. If they actually have something to do with the text, I guess it's ok, but if the connection's very vague or doesn't exist at all, I'd rather have titles that actually describe the content of the chapters.

randygirl13
10-19-2015, 01:08 AM
I just love Phil Collins and Genesis!! They are wonderful and love Follow You/Follow Me!! He is so awesome

Funk 50
10-28-2015, 11:56 AM
Awesome news!

Phil Collins returns: “I am no longer retired”

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/10/phil-collins-returns-i-am-no-longer-retired/

AlreadyGone95
10-28-2015, 12:06 PM
Awesome news!

Phil Collins returns: “I am no longer retired”

http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/10/phil-collins-returns-i-am-no-longer-retired/

That's incredible news! :yay: :partytime:


I don’t think I want a very long tour,” admitted Collins. “But I would like to play the stadiums in Australia and the Far East, and that’s the only way to do that.

I know a certain Australian who will be happy reading that! (Let's hope it's more than just talk)

chaim
10-28-2015, 12:32 PM
Great news about Phil. It's just a shame that he can't play drums anymore. More people should see that side of him. There must be tons of people who hate him because of his ballads, who don't know that he was a fantastic drummer.

Freypower
10-28-2015, 04:48 PM
:fainting: :rockon:

and.... :drummer:

The first thing I read when I got up & looked at my phone. Regarding drumming, first he says this:

After this latest surgery, however, his doctor is hopeful he could return to the kit. “He said to me, ‘If you want to play drums again, all you have to do is practice.'”

Then, later in the astonishing part about a possible Genesis reunion, he says:

Also, I can’t play drums, so I can’t do what I did. I just want to settle with the bits of me that I can possibly do.”

He does say he can play piano. Come on Phil. But for now welcome back & Australia indeed awaits. :headbang:

sodascouts
10-28-2015, 05:55 PM
Exciting news!

chaim
10-29-2015, 08:33 AM
:fainting: :rockon:

and.... :drummer:

The first thing I read when I got up & looked at my phone. Regarding drumming, first he says this:

After this latest surgery, however, his doctor is hopeful he could return to the kit. “He said to me, ‘If you want to play drums again, all you have to do is practice.'”

Then, later in the astonishing part about a possible Genesis reunion, he says:

Also, I can’t play drums, so I can’t do what I did. I just want to settle with the bits of me that I can possibly do.”

He does say he can play piano. Come on Phil. But for now welcome back & Australia indeed awaits. :headbang:

Maybe he was thinking of the more complicated drumming style of the Gabriel era. Perhaps he would be able to play more simple stuff if he practiced, but not the prog stuff.

Funk 50
11-06-2015, 11:01 AM
There's a little update on the Collins un-retired story.

http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2015-11-06/phil-collins-wants-genesis-reunion-no-peter-gabriel

It'd be tough for Phil to drum behind Gabriel, even without his lengthy hiatus. Phil did drum on his Going Back album but that was pretty straight forward compared to the early Genesis stuff on my amateurish opinion.

I bet Phil would feel like a spare part if he wasn't doing the bulk of the drumming and I wouldn't want him tinkering about on Tony's keyboards.

I really hope they can put something together, including Gabriel and Hackett, maybe Ray Wilson too in the future. A Banks, Collins, Rutherford reunion is still something to look forward too.

Freypower
11-06-2015, 06:06 PM
The thing is though he hasn't done the bulk of the drumming live since Gabriel left. That's why it would make more sense for it to be him, Tony & Mike (with Daryl & Chester, obviously).

I don't wish to embark on another discussion about whether or not fans are justified in wanting Gabriel and/or Hackett to be part of a reunion. I understand it & I guess I'd be fascinated by it. I can't see Gabriel wanting to do it & I'm afraid that since the documentary, Hackett's attitude has been eerily similar to Don Felder's.

The reality is however that Collins sang on many more Genesis albums than Gabriel, no matter how passionate the Gabriel fans are about the earlier albums. I think it would be... awkward....if Gabriel were singing & Collins could only do harmonies. We know, however, that Collins can sing Gabriel's songs & did it for a lot longer than Gabriel himself did.

This is a brilliant article from the same site about Peter vs Phil:

http://classicrock.teamrock.com/features/2015-08-27/the-thursday-death-match-peter-gabriel-vs-phil-collins

chaim
11-06-2015, 06:59 PM
Personally I don't see any similarities between Hackett and Felder. Don has constantly bashed one of his ex-band mates, while Steve, as far as I know, has recently complained only about the people who edited his contributions out of the documentary - not his ex-band mates. At least Tony has said in public that the way Steve was treated in the documentary was unfair, but I think all of the "classic five" would agree. To this day I haven't seen Steve say anything bad about any of the Genesis guys. He may have said that his ideas weren't accepted, but I have never seen him bash anyone. He would never call Tony Banks "bipolar", for example, in public. Not a chance. He's too much of a gentleman for that - even if that's how he felt, which he doesn't.

Freypower
11-06-2015, 07:19 PM
Personally I don't see any similarities between Hackett and Felder. Don has constantly bashed one of his ex-band mates, while Steve, as far as I know, has recently complained only about the people who edited his contributions out of the documentary - not his ex-band mates. At least Tony has said in public that the way Steve was treated in the documentary was unfair, but I think all of the "classic five" would agree. To this day I haven't seen Steve say anything bad about any of the Genesis guys. He may have said that his ideas weren't accepted, but I have never seen him bash anyone. He would never call Tony Banks "bipolar", for example, in public. Not a chance. He's too much of a gentleman for that - even if that's how he felt, which he doesn't.

Thanks for clearing that up Toni. I wasn't sure, to be honest.

chaim
11-06-2015, 07:39 PM
Thanks for clearing that up Toni. I wasn't sure, to be honest.

On a personal note I'd like to add that, unlike Don, Steve has maintained a respectable (and LONG) solo career and he's kept the original "proggy" spirit alive in his music. I don't mean that his stuff is better than what Genesis did later, but IMO it was good that someone kept that alive as well. So in this light it was, IMO, inexcusable that his solo career was completely ignored in the documentary about a band that started as a kind of prog band.

I may have been a bit harsh in my previous post. I haven't seen every single interview Steve has given, but in the interviews I've seen he has complained about the documentary, not about his ex-band mates. And I've never seen any of the Genesis guys badmouth the other guys, so I find it hard to believe that Steve would have started it now. I've seen the Genesis guys be critical about each other, but never in a mean way.

Thanks for the Peter vs Phil link, by the way!

Funk 50
11-07-2015, 02:16 PM
I don't know how you'd cover Steve's solo career in a Genesis documentary. He's released a constant stream of albums since leaving Genesis but none stand out. I don't think he's even released a "Best Of" compilation.

I'm sure any Genesis reunion would be a success but a reunion of the Gabriel line up, like a reunion of the original Eagles line up, would allow, all those millions of fans, that missed it the first time around, to experience a little bit of the magic that they created.

Maybe Def Leppard's, one armed drummer, Rick Allen can give Phil a call and offer him the word or two of encouragement he seems to need to get serious behind the drum kit again..

My brother says, if Phil can't play the drums, maybe Pete will let him take over his kick drum :D

http://terenceruffle.co.uk/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Gabriel-72-692x1024.jpg

Thanks from me too, Freypower, for the link to the Pete v Phil article. The stick that Phil gets from some so-called music fans is ignorant and downright mean so I'm always pleased to see journalists who goodmouth him.

chaim
11-07-2015, 02:32 PM
No one bought Tony's solo albums, and yet they were discussed in the documentary. Steve has said that he was interviewed about his solo career, and he spent time discussing it. Then it was all edited out. Personally I'm not saying that they should have covered all of Steve's albums, but they could at least have mentioned that he continued to make music after leaving Genesis! I can't say this for a fact, but I understand that Steve's solo career has been far more successful than Tony's. But they decided to ignore his solo career completely. Why did they interview Steve about his solo career then? I can understand Steve's anger. I would feel exactly the same.

Funk 50
11-07-2015, 03:17 PM
No one bought Tony's solo albums, and yet they were discussed in the documentary. Steve has said that he was interviewed about his solo career, and he spent time discussing it. Then it was all edited out. Personally I'm not saying that they should have covered all of Steve's albums, but they could at least have mentioned that he continued to make music after leaving Genesis! I can't say this for a fact, but I understand that Steve's solo career has been far more successful than Tony's. But they decided to ignore his solo career completely. Why did they interview Steve about his solo career then? I can understand Steve's anger. I would feel exactly the same.

I understand that Tony was pretty forceful about getting his music included in genesis albums so it's no surprise that he pushed equally hard to get his solo work featured in a Genesis documentary. It doesn't make it any less forgettable.

I agree that Steve's prolific run of solo albums are worthy of a mention but arguably, like Felder, he wouldn't have a solo career with his association with the band. He hasn't the charisma to be a self made solo star.

I haven't given Tony's solo albums much of a listen despite loving his Genesis contributions. I'm much more familiar with Steve's solo stuff although, like Phil, I don't see Please Don't Touch as band quittingly great.

Freypower
11-07-2015, 05:08 PM
I will be receiving Tony's box set A Chord Too Far for Christmas so I will report back on it. In the meantime I'd be interested to know which of Steve's albums is worth buying. We have his DVD/CD of Genesis Revisited. I need to look at this.

I am actually proud to say that we own some Anthony (sorry...Ant ;-)) Phillips albums. So far I have listened to Tarka, Slow Dance (although he wrote this he doesn't play on it) & Wise After The Event.

I must mention that I was watching the bonus DVD of A Trick Of The Tail last night. They were doing Entangled with harmonies & 12 string guitar. They could have been Crosby, Stills & Nash.

I am getting 'in too deep' with all this but at the moment it seems somewhat justified.

chaim
11-08-2015, 05:27 AM
I have yet to start collecting Steve's albums. I have the same problem with Steve and Peter Hammill. They have some many solo albums that it's not easy to start collecting them when you don't have much money!

I haven't heard much of his stuff, so Funk 50 can give you suggestions there, but whenever I've heard his solo stuff I've liked it a lot. I only have his first album and one of his more recent ones. Here's one fantastic track from the latter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddF62zLejy0

And here's a demonstration of how tasty his electric guitar playing still is. I don't want to bash people in public, but IMO Hackett is miles above the other Steve (Howe), whom everyone raves about. IMO Hackett is better with the classical guitar too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_A6ThDYi4w

And one last example from the same album. Unless I'm mistaken, the crazy section in this song describes musically the random, rapid succession of stuff that you may experience when you're dreaming. Brilliant! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xdlzUbfGEQ

Funk 50
11-09-2015, 07:36 PM
I haven't heard much of his stuff, so Funk 50 can give you suggestions there

Thanks for passing that buck chaim, :grin: I don't see myself as a Hackett aficionado but thanks to those YouTube clips I had a bit of a Hackett binge over the weekend. Very enjoyable it was too. :smile:

Believe it or not Steve's just released an album of new material, Wolflight plus a new 10 Disc retrospective of his early career titled Premonitions to add to your wish list.
http://itsonlyrockandroll.info/?p=39640
http://exystence.net/blog/2015/11/06/steve-hackett-premonitions-the-charisma-recordings-1975-1983-2015/

I've heard a lot of Hackett stuff over the years, without being drawn in, I always preferred Genesis but since Genesis have dismantled, I've been much more interested in Hackett's material, first with the Genesis Revisited CD/DVD and then his subsequent albums.

I'd recommend that listeners find their own favourites. Out Of The Tunnel's Mouth is definitely mine but all his 2K albums are enjoyable to listen to;
To Watch the Storms (2003)
Metamorpheus (2005)
Wild Orchids (2006)
Out of the Tunnel's Mouth (2009)
Beyond the Shrouded Horizon (2011)
Wolflight (2015)
as well as his Genesis revisits and tonne's of concert releases too.
There's something about the dogs on the cover of Wolflight that has kept me away from it so far. I'm sure it'll be great too.

I was hoping that I'd be able to put together a Steve Hackett top ten tracks but I'm struggling to put tunes to titles, Steve's great at embellishments to complicate matters, plus I'm still discovering new gems.

I look forward to your assessment of Tony's A Chord Too Far box set Freypower. :thumbsup:. I'll probably have my Hackett top ten by then.;-)

chaim
11-10-2015, 04:59 AM
When I look at the song selection on A Chord Too Far, I like it for the most part. But IMO Tony's up-tempo songs aren't always that great, and I would definitely have replaced Back To Back (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-hhMQPDLc) with Thursday The Twelfth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHh3KUPzaq0) - one of his greatest solo songs IMO. But of course, an album must contain a certain number of up-tempo songs - great or not-so-great.

AlreadyGone95
11-18-2015, 01:30 PM
Thought that ya'll might like to know that Genesis was the answer to a Jeopardy question last night. The category was Ex-Files. The clue was "Peter Gabriel is the ex lead singer of this band".

Freypower
11-20-2015, 06:01 PM
Out of nowhere I discovered last night that we have a DVD of Steve Hackett Live in Buenos Aires, and it's SIGNED. My husband would have ordered one with a signature like he does with Tony Carey & Mike Keneally. He does both Genesis & his own work. When I get time I will have a listen to his solo work. Meanwhile I am enjoying Abacab. I also cannot stop watching Home By The Sea from When In Rome. I then find I have to watch I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) from the same show. What a great song. Me, I'm a lawnmower. You can tell by the way I walk.

Jonny Come Lately
11-20-2015, 07:21 PM
I also cannot stop watching Home By The Sea from When In Rome. I then find I have to watch I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) from the same show. What a great song. Me, I'm a lawnmower. You can tell by the way I walk.

I totally agree about I Know What I Like, it's a fantastic song IMO. I think the thing I love most about is its very English eccentricity, although it also has very funny and creative lyrics and a killer chorus (I know what I like/and I like what I know). The lawnmower sound effects at the start and end are cool - I believe Tony created this sound using a Mellotron. I love the spoken word parts, and indeed a few weeks ago I took a photo of my watch on my arm reading 1 o'clock in front of my lunch in tribute to the song!

A couple of live videos of this song performed with Peter and Phil singing lead:

Live 1973 with Peter Gabriel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_EYU75uhKk

Live from Seconds Out, 1977 with Phil Collins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xse9tqC-Lu4

I enjoy both versions depending on mood. One thing I will add is that this song really does show how differently Peter and Phil approach being the frontman of the band - Peter is more concerned about fitting into a role or character on stage, Phil has more warmth and a more natural connection to the audience.

chaim
11-25-2015, 01:47 PM
Peter found the I Know What I Like chorus (composed by Tony) too poppy at the time. I don't know how he feels about it today.

Freypower
11-25-2015, 04:56 PM
I would like to know how Peter feels about their work after he left in general. He said in the documentary people came up to him & congratulated him on A Trick Of The Tail...

I've been playing Abacab in the car. Love the title track & Man On The Corner - and Dodo/Lurker is weird. (Toni, I do like Me & Sarah Jane but not quite as much as the others I mentioned). I also just joined two Genesis/Phil groups on Facebook. I haven't joined the message board yet.

Regarding Peter this song from the Wall-E soundtrack is beautiful:

And he plays keyboards on it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQLTunr5nEw

chaim
11-26-2015, 04:26 AM
A very good song. Not sure if I've heard that before.

AlreadyGone95
02-19-2016, 02:09 PM
An update on Phil Collins. Despite coming out of retirement, he's taking things very slow. He's also recovering from a broken foot.
http://classicrock.teamrock.com/news/2016-02-19/phil-collins-i-m-not-going-to-tour

Freypower
02-19-2016, 05:37 PM
He needs to take it slowly, I agree. I got very excited when I saw the photo of him with Mike & Tony. I haven't been posting in this thread especially with recent events but Genesis, Phil & Peter - and Tony- are providing me with a lot of solace.

Not so much Rutherford's The Living Years which I reserve for my father.

Freypower
10-17-2016, 06:38 PM
You will have to forgive me for reviving this but Phil is playing the Royal Albert Hall next year, as well as Cologne & Paris. How I wish I could go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03mL5UOPqcY

He doesn't rule out doing something with Genesis. :inlove:

I am still massively into Genesis & the solo work which now includes Hackett & Rutherford as well as Banks. I have all the Gabriel era Genesis albums & all the Collins & Gabriel solo albums (except Collins' Going Back).

AlreadyGone95
10-26-2016, 11:04 AM
Phil performed In The Air Tonight last night on The Tonight Show. Phil's voice still sounds pretty good.
https://youtu.be/mjiq0DoSQD8

There was also a short interview.
https://youtu.be/kLRy_RkoTKA

buffyfan145
11-12-2016, 11:20 AM
I have no idea if this is true but my Dad told me last night he heard on the radio that apparently Genesis might be getting back together for a reunion tour next year and that Peter Gabriel might be with them too. I did a Google and Twitter search and there are rumors out there about this but nothing credible yet besides Phil saying they've been talking about a reunion. I already know Phil Collins was going on tour in Europe next year but hasn't announced any US dates so it's possible if Genesis is getting back together this could be why. If this does happen we're all planning on going if they come to Ohio or somewhere close. It weirdly reminds me of HFO especially if the rumors about Peter being involved are true.

chaim
11-12-2016, 11:34 AM
The last time the "classic five" discussed a reunion the rest of the guys thought the meeting was about when to do it, while for Peter it was about whether to do it in the first place. I don't think there's any bad blood between them that would prevent it from happening, but I'd say we will never see it. Well, I think Peter is also afraid to go back to the situation where he has to face his best friend/worst enemy, Mr. Banks. They are not best friends today, but it has been said that when the guys are together in the same room, they still act like they were - in the good and the bad.

Freypower
11-12-2016, 05:28 PM
I have no idea if this is true but my Dad told me last night he heard on the radio that apparently Genesis might be getting back together for a reunion tour next year and that Peter Gabriel might be with them too. I did a Google and Twitter search and there are rumors out there about this but nothing credible yet besides Phil saying they've been talking about a reunion. I already know Phil Collins was going on tour in Europe next year but hasn't announced any US dates so it's possible if Genesis is getting back together this could be why. If this does happen we're all planning on going if they come to Ohio or somewhere close. It weirdly reminds me of HFO especially if the rumors about Peter being involved are true.


No, sadly, it isn't true, and I have a very good source from the Genesis message board who confirmed it. I still think it could happen but not with Peter.

Funk 50
04-24-2017, 12:24 PM
http://www.nme.com/news/music/genesis-to-reform-for-50th-anniversary-speculation-2058128

It's no real surprise that Genesis are discussing playing some shows. They've always been lucky enough to have an incredibly loyal fan base. Interesting that it'll be pinned on a 50 year celebration. That hints at a show that'll acknowledge their original incarnation that included Gabriel but was pre Collins and Hackett.

The 2007 shows were great but nothing special in Genesis terms, In the years I saw them live their set list formula was a third new songs, a third hits and a third old classics. I guess I missed them playing a bunch of new material so I hope new shows come with new songs as well as really old songs.

It's still only speculation but you can't write anything off until there is official confirmation to the contrary. ;)

I hope that they remain a 5 peice-ish :???:

Freypower
04-24-2017, 06:54 PM
This is months old. Rutherford says this sort of thing all the time.

For once I agree with you, especially about new songs. But I basically don't believe it. This has gone on for far too long with Genesis for me to believe anything.

Freypower
08-17-2017, 07:39 PM
We saw Steve Hackett on August 4. He was absolutely brilliant. He did some of his solo work & a great deal of Genesis, the highlight being Supper's Ready. I felt so honoured to have now seen this legendary man.

Will this work? (ETA: well there you go. Photobucket still works for me).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Genesis/Hackett3.jpg

chaim
08-18-2017, 02:57 AM
Steve Hackett is still a phenomenal player. Incredibly tasty. He should be more widely known today - not just among Genesis listeners and some prog people. I was a fool not to go when he was in Finland a few years ago. IMO he's above Steve Howe, who's very much praised everywhere. They are totally different players though.