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SilverAcidRayne
02-06-2016, 11:53 AM
I'm guessing I can put this here. But this article talks about the conditions that Glenn had and how to prevent them. I'm still broken.
http://www.villages-news.com/glenn-frey-rheumatoid-arthritis-and-ulcerative-colitis/

Outlawman13
02-06-2016, 12:06 PM
I'm still heartbroken as well!! The doctors did all that they could do though!

SilverAcidRayne
02-06-2016, 12:33 PM
yes they did. they sure did :)

sodascouts
02-06-2016, 01:28 PM
I wonder who this guy's source is? He seems to know info that has not been released. It's hard to read, but I want to know what happened.

BTW, I changed the thread title to something more descriptive.

AlreadyGone95
02-06-2016, 01:44 PM
Yeah, that is hard to read. It's hard to believe that medicines can cause such severe side effects. I also would like to know the man's source.

buffyfan145
02-06-2016, 04:58 PM
That really is hard for me to read too. My grandmother has had RA since the early 90s and she actually stopped taking one of her meds when it kept hurting her stomach. As a result she does had the deformed hands and feet and is in pain a lot but she was too afraid what the side effects could cause. She really isn't in that bad of health otherwise but she always is wary of prescription drugs. It is scary to see what some side effects of these drugs are. I used to work in a pharmacy and learning about these drugs and some of their side effects are pretty scary, and part of the reason I don't work in that field anymore. So I get why he was taking it and not everyone has the same reactions to the drugs, but these things do happen and it's just sad.

Glennsallnighter
02-06-2016, 05:44 PM
I have a somewhat medically related background from when I did my degree but I must say this was tough reading. To think that our poor Glenn :heart: had to go through all that pain on a regular basis. I hope that Cindy's lupus can be controlled so that it doesnt cause her too much suffering.

SilverAcidRayne
02-06-2016, 06:39 PM
I wonder who this guy's source is? He seems to know info that has not been released. It's hard to read, but I want to know what happened.

BTW, I changed the thread title to something more descriptive.

oh thank you... I couldn't think of anything. I found this in the middle of a crying spell. because Sirius had to play Desperado. did not end well. lol but yeah I couldnt get thru it either. it's a helpful guide but at the same time I can't help but wonder what kind of doctor is this dude and if he specializes in this area of medicine and how did he know so much? maybe he was one of his actual doctors or just some dude...

GlennLover
02-06-2016, 07:06 PM
oh thank you... I couldn't think of anything. I found this in the middle of a crying spell. because Sirius had to play Desperado. did not end well. lol but yeah I couldnt get thru it either. it's a helpful guide but at the same time I can't help but wonder what kind of doctor is this dude and if he specializes in this area of medicine and how did he know so much? maybe he was one of his actual doctors or just some dude...

He's probably not one of the doctors who treated him because, ethically he wouldn't be able to discuss his case.

SilverAcidRayne
02-06-2016, 07:39 PM
that is very true...

Glennhoney
02-07-2016, 11:23 AM
...so did he actually have the surgery or not????????

Ive always been a dreamer
02-07-2016, 01:58 PM
There are mixed reports about that, GH; however, IIRC, someone pointed out in an earlier discussion that Irving said Glenn never had the surgery. I would definitely take Irving's word over others, especially the person who wrote this article. He has too many errors in the article for me to consider him an informed and credible source.

AzEaglesFan
02-07-2016, 02:10 PM
I found the list of drugs scary. Several of them are drugs that I can not take. Glad now that I had only a mild reaction before I refused to take them. I'm lucky in my case there were others that I could take.

MaryCalifornia
02-07-2016, 03:16 PM
There are mixed reports about that, GH; however, IIRC, someone pointed out in an earlier discussion that Irving said Glenn never had the surgery. I would definitely take Irving's word over others, especially the person who wrote this article. He has too many errors in the article for me to consider him an informed and credible source.

Agree, Dreamer - this guy has so many inaccuracies and basic facts wrong, I can't credit the article. What is this about uncontrolled bleeding during surgery?? Who does this guy know?

I do believe that the medications Glenn took allowed him to perform for the HOTE doc and tour, and for that I am grateful. The drugs may have led to his death, but they may have prolonged his life, so I'm not going to second guess.

I have to say that the fact that Glenn died is still surreal to me, I'm not really processing it.

SilverAcidRayne
02-07-2016, 03:46 PM
there's my question. this article said he had the surgery and he was bleeding so much. but their manager dude said he never had it. I think the one to believe is their manager. I swear man if this is some phony looking to get notoriety over something so tragic... what type of doctor is he anyway?

sodascouts
02-07-2016, 05:35 PM
Unfortunately, I can't find an article where Azoff is directly quoted on the matter, but according to the LA Times' paraphrase of his comments (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-me-ln-eagles-founding-member-glenn-frey-dead-at-67-20160118-story.html), he said Glenn never underwent the surgery.

The Disco Strangler
02-07-2016, 07:56 PM
Agree, Dreamer - this guy has so many inaccuracies and basic facts wrong, I can't credit the article. What is this about uncontrolled bleeding during surgery?? Who does this guy know?

I do believe that the medications Glenn took allowed him to perform for the HOTE doc and tour, and for that I am grateful. The drugs may have led to his death, but they may have prolonged his life, so I'm not going to second guess.

I have to say that the fact that Glenn died is still surreal to me, I'm not really processing it.

Well said.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-08-2016, 01:20 PM
I do believe that the medications Glenn took allowed him to perform for the HOTE doc and tour, and for that I am grateful. The drugs may have led to his death, but they may have prolonged his life, so I'm not going to second guess.

I agree with this too, MC. Glenn had two autoimmune diseases and there are always risks in treating these. My oldest sister has RA and Lupus and I know her doctors have to manage her treatments very carefully. Hopefully, Glenn was receiving top notch medical care, but, apparently, God needed another angel and it was his time.

DJ
02-08-2016, 08:50 PM
Thanks for posting the article. As I've said before I have Lupus and R.A. These medications do come with a host of side effects. All of them suppress the immune system and if Glenn's body was trying to fight off pneumonia and the drugs were being used to treat his RA and UC I can only speculate that the pneumonia took over. IMO. Because if he'd been on medications for sometime usually reactions arise pretty quickly. Most of the side effects of these drugs are liver related, and increase in enzymes. With the drug stopped, the enzymes usually return to normal. Other side effects are cancer and a host of others too numerous to mention. However, if he was getting good medical care he was probably having blood work often to monitor the reactions to his body. I can only say this again if he was on these drugs and he developed pneumonia, IMO that is probably what he died of. I am not a Dr. but have been an avid reader on these conditions for many years. Just my thoughts. Still such a sad time. I cannot believe he's gone. RIP Glenn Lewis Frey.

alreadygone
02-16-2016, 01:03 AM
I mean he was the youngest member of the group and seeing his interview in the 2013 documentary - he hadn't aged too bad (as opposed to Meisner who looked 80). I mean he hadn't announced he was sick or anything and its not like the cause-of-death (pneumonia, ultcerative collitis, arthritis) is something you would expect to kill you.

Witchy Woman
02-16-2016, 02:35 AM
He was in a coma for 2 months and no one said anything. David Bowie had cancer for over a year, and everyone was shocked when he died. Of course Glenn dying was unexpected and devastating. But they are entitled to their privacy, and I can't blame the family for not wanting to broadcast it everywhere. Who wants a camera shoved in their face when they are dealing with a loved one's illness ? Celebrities don't get enough respect in that regard, which is a shame, because I couldn't care less what Kim Kardashian ate for breakfast.

Freypower
02-16-2016, 04:45 PM
In fact he had announced he was sick because they had to postpone the Kennedy Centre Honours.

He had rheumatoid arthritis which is a serious auto immune disease & unfortunately pneumonia is a common cause of death.

I suggest these posts be moved to the Condition thread.

WS82Classics
02-16-2016, 05:27 PM
I knew he had surgery a couple of decades back that took out a decent chunk of his intestines. When I heard he was sick again and needed to undergo further surgery on the intestines, I wondered what more they could do for what remained before realizing that he was probably approaching the end. That fact really blew me away.

His death wasn't ultimately a big surprise to me, though it was a major shock, and I'm still having a hard time dealing with it even now, almost one month later.

alreadygone
02-20-2016, 02:24 AM
kind of sounds familiar with what happened to my grandfather in the 90s. They were roughly the same age and he had pulmonary fibrosis. He was able to function with it and it probably wouldn't have been too big a deal. Then he got pneumonia, which, with a weakened immune system, degenerated to the point he was on a respirator pretty quickly He was in a coma for two weeks before they called it quits and took him off LS.

AlreadyGone95
02-20-2016, 03:13 AM
I know how bad pneumonia can be. My dad was in a severe accident a few years before I was born. It took him a year to recover. He had pneumonia several times during that year, and he came very close to dying at least a few times, if not more. Somehow, he survived, but he had to have his spleen and part of his pancreas removed. He managed lived a normal life for 13 years, and then in Dec. 2006, he got prancreatitus (sp?). Despite not having his spleen to help him fight the sickness, it looked like my dad would recover. Then, he got pneumonia, and about 10 days later, that did him in at the age of 49.

Pneumonia, by itself, isn't too bad. I've seen my mom get it twice and survive. It's pneumonia with a weakened immune system, and other problems that is dangerous.

Pneumonia also took out my maternal grandfather in 2013, alongside congestive heart failure.

Girl From Yesterday
03-15-2016, 12:45 PM
So sad, I along with everyone else was shocked and saddened by Glenn's death , and the death of my beloved Starman .
I do understand the need for secrecy, poor Freddie Mercury was hounded to death when word got out he was dying from Aids and look how much more invasive press is nowadays , with Internet and cell phone cameras etc.
These may be public figures that we love and more or less feel that we know, but they are also just people like you and I with families and people who love them and deserve some privacy with their loved ones when their remaining time becomes so very precious .We, as fans have already had much of that time ...
I'm happy that Glenn and Bowie were able to avoid being hounded by press and photographed in the privacy of their own homes, hospitals etc, All those years ago, they actually photographed poor Freddie through his bedroom windows ,and camped outside his home harassing his friends and loved ones who came to visit him,
They deserve to spend their last days in peace ....JMO

sad-cafe
03-16-2016, 07:55 PM
I have Crohn's. Its cousin is UC. I have to have chemical therapy infusions every 5 weeks. Soon to be every 4 because it is not lasting long enough. I get about 3 and 1/2 good weeks.

I have to have blood work and they take my temp before every infusion because it basically strips my immune system each time. A simple cold at infusion could land me in the hospital.

As far as removing parts of the intestine-my GI doc won't just take the infected part out because it will come back and attach itself to another part. I have begged him. There is a lot of intestine they can remove but if you keep taking and taking eventually there is none left to take.

I can only imagine the pain and horrid last couple months. My heart breaks

VillageGirl
03-17-2016, 10:56 PM
I am sorry to hear of your condition SadCafe and can empathize to an extent. Although I don't have Chrone's or UC, I have other autoimmune diseases, Lupus and Sjorgen's, as well as Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia. So I am in a Catch 22. My immune system attacks itself and is overactive, but no rheumatologist or oncologist will dare to put me on any long term immunosuppressive drugs like you or Glenn were taking because of the Leukemia issue. It sucks, but I take it day by day.

I hope that you will improve in time. I have friends that have actually managed to do quite well after some time with Chrone's and I will pray that is the case for you :)

How Glenn managed to keep such a busy schedule while being on all those immunosuppressive agents and most likely in quite a bit of pain in beyond me. May he finally be at peace.

jane02
04-01-2016, 06:08 AM
My husband has similar medical problems that Glenn suffered with and has been on very similar medications (or at least those reported).
Glenn was obviously made of tough stuff - like my husband is. He is currently on a new medication that is working wonders for his arthritis and we are slowly weaning him off the nasty meds that cause all of the side effects.
I send all my best wishes to anyone that is suffering. I understand how difficult it is to function as you would like to.

Freypower
04-01-2016, 04:55 PM
Agree, Dreamer - this guy has so many inaccuracies and basic facts wrong, I can't credit the article. What is this about uncontrolled bleeding during surgery?? Who does this guy know?

I do believe that the medications Glenn took allowed him to perform for the HOTE doc and tour, and for that I am grateful. The drugs may have led to his death, but they may have prolonged his life, so I'm not going to second guess.

I have to say that the fact that Glenn died is still surreal to me, I'm not really processing it.

I'm trying to focus now on your statement about the drugs prolonging his life rather than the other part. I find the other part very hard to take in.

jane02
04-01-2016, 08:40 PM
I'm trying to focus now on your statement about the drugs prolonging his life rather than the other part. I find the other part very hard to take in.
That's correct- the medication has enabled my husband to function extremely well as a Medical Specialist. There are some side effects but without the meds for the past 20 years ..... who know? He most likely would not have been able to work or enjoy life.

The Disco Strangler
04-04-2016, 12:23 PM
I am sorry to hear of your condition SadCafe and can empathize to an extent. Although I don't have Chrone's or UC, I have other autoimmune diseases, Lupus and Sjorgen's, as well as Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia. So I am in a Catch 22. My immune system attacks itself and is overactive, but no rheumatologist or oncologist will dare to put me on any long term immunosuppressive drugs like you or Glenn were taking because of the Leukemia issue. It sucks, but I take it day by day.

I hope that you will improve in time. I have friends that have actually managed to do quite well after some time with Chrone's and I will pray that is the case for you :)

How Glenn managed to keep such a busy schedule while being on all those immunosuppressive agents and most likely in quite a bit of pain in beyond me. May he finally be at peace.

Not that I wish SJS on you, but you are the first person on the Internet I came across who has Sjogren's Syndrome. I'm so sorry to hear about your other auto-immune diseases. Dealing with SJS is bad enough.

Rheumatoid runs in my family. My grandmother had RA and SJS. Two cousins have Lupus. My uncle had RA. He ran into the same problems as Glenn did with intestinal issues. Had the majority of his stomach cut out around thirty. Sadly, like Glenn, he passed at 67 two years ago.

I'm fortunate not to need medication right now, other than Restasis.

I feel for Glenn after watching what RA did to my grandmother and uncle. The drugs helped my uncle not "cripple" the way my grandmother did (mind you he was still in major pain and walked with a limp), but as everyone mentioned, the side effects are many. In grandma's day, there wasn't treatment other than painkillers. Her joints were completely twisted and distorted with nodules everywhere. When treatment was found, it was too late for her since the damage can't be reversed.

Dawn
04-04-2016, 01:57 PM
That's correct- the medication has enabled my husband to function extremely well as a Medical Specialist. There are some side effects but without the meds for the past 20 years ..... who know? He most likely would not have been able to work or enjoy life.

Personally I don't think we'll ever know which meds Glenn was given and that's the way it should be unless he or his family wants that information publically disclosed. From what I've read aggressive treatment in the early stages of RA is important but some of the newer drugs weren't available 15-20 years ago.

Second, he was admitted to the hospital in November but I'm unclear as to why. Did he have pneumonia? Or was he scheduled for surgery and if so were there problems? Did he ever have the surgery?

One thing for certain hospital acquired pneumonia is always a concern. News reports said he had two bouts of pneumonia and had been put into an induced coma from which he was successfully brought out of once but only for a short period of time. Breathing apparatuses and feeding tubes are also a concern in terms of infection.

Poor Glenn - he was really in a tough spot - can't express how sorry I am for his wife and kids except to say when I lost my dad I thought I would never stop crying. Of course I did - but it took awhile.

Blessings to all.

Dawn

Freypower
04-04-2016, 05:34 PM
Personally I don't think we'll ever know which meds Glenn was given and that's the way it should be unless he or his family wants that information publically disclosed. From what I've read aggressive treatment in the early stages of RA is important but some of the newer drugs weren't available 15-20 years ago.

Second, he was admitted to the hospital in November but I'm unclear as to why. Did he have pneumonia? Or was he scheduled for surgery and if so were there problems? Did he ever have the surgery?

One thing for certain hospital acquired pneumonia is always a concern. News reports said he had two bouts of pneumonia and had been put into an induced coma from which he was successfully brought out of once but only for a short period of time. Breathing apparatuses and feeding tubes are also a concern in terms of infection.

Poor Glenn - he was really in a tough spot - can't express how sorry I am for his wife and kids except to say when I lost my dad I thought I would never stop crying. Of course I did - but it took awhile.

Blessings to all.

Dawn

As far as we know he was scheduled for surgery which never took place. Hence, presumably, ulcerative colitis being listed as one of the causes of death. He developed pneumonia & was placed into an induced coma.

It still makes me desperately sad that he may never had even had the chance to say goodbye to his family. Presumably when he went into hospital he was still conscious & had hopes of recovery. It also saddens me that his birthday & Christmas were spent there.

Jonny Come Lately
04-04-2016, 05:53 PM
I completely agree about his birthday and Christmas. I sincerely hope he did have a final chance to say goodbye to his family, and hopefully his 'musical family' as well. It would reassure me if he had the chance to say farewell to his family and Don at the very least, if no one else. I remember his birthday last November and although I knew he wasn't well, at the time I had no idea of how serious the situation was, and that his 67th birthday would be his last with us. It stuns me to think that I just considered it to be another birthday and it's still incredibly sad to think that just last July he was still actively touring with the Eagles.

shunlvswx
04-04-2016, 06:40 PM
Something had to happen for Glenn to have emergency surgery. Either he was in extreme pain or he passed out.

I really hope during that short time before they put him in the second induced coma(or even the first time he was put into an induced coma), he had the chance to speak to his family.

As I was watching an interview from February 2015 when Joe, Timothy, and Glenn were talking about the shows in New Zealand, I noticed he was rubbing his hands a lot during the interview. As I watched that interviewed a year later, I really notice how bad his RA was. Its sad to know that those interviews in Australia and New Zealand would had been the last interviews as a group(minus Don) because I don't remember if they did any interviews when they came back to the states.

Its still so sad that he is gone. 67 years old is just too young and the baby of the Eagles. :weep:

travlnman2
04-04-2016, 06:56 PM
What I like to know is when Glenn got the pneumonia. Because I wonder how he was recovering before he caught it. Like how much time it was between the supposed surgery that some say he never had and when he got the pneumonia.

travlnman2
04-04-2016, 06:58 PM
Does anyone know where he is buried because if i am ever in La i would like to visit and bring flowers and leave a guitar pick as tribute.

Freypower
04-04-2016, 07:02 PM
What I like to know is when Glenn got the pneumonia. Because I wonder how he was recovering before he caught it. Like how much time it was between the supposed surgery that some say he never had and when he got the pneumonia.

We assume he got pneumonia in hospital which meant the surgery could not occur. The pneumonia then became more virulent & nothing could be done.

We have no information on whether he was buried or cremated. There were a couple of suggestions which could not be substantiated.

For those who are still assuming he had surgery please read this:

At the time, Frey had a flare-up of intestinal problems he’d struggled with for years, Azoff said, and was hospitalized with plans for surgery. But he developed pneumonia and never was strong enough to undergo that procedure.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-me-ln-eagles-founding-member-glenn-frey-dead-at-67-20160118-story.html

AlreadyGone95
04-04-2016, 07:10 PM
Didn't he get a bacterial infection that caused him to be hospitalized in LA after vacationing with his family in Hawaii before he caught the pneumonia? I remember reading that somewhere in one of the articles.

Dawn
04-04-2016, 07:11 PM
We assume he got pneumonia in hospital which meant the surgery could not occur. The pneumonia then became more virulent & nothing could be done.

We have no information on whether he was buried or cremated. There were a couple of suggestions which could not be substantiated.

For those who are still assuming he had surgery please read this:

At the time, Frey had a flare-up of intestinal problems he’d struggled with for years, Azoff said, and was hospitalized with plans for surgery. But he developed pneumonia and never was strong enough to undergo that procedure.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-me-ln-eagles-founding-member-glenn-frey-dead-at-67-20160118-story.html

Interesting - never saw this news report with Azoff's comments. Thanks!

Freypower
04-04-2016, 07:17 PM
Didn't he get a bacterial infection that caused him to be hospitalized in LA after vacationing with his family in Hawaii before he caught the pneumonia? I remember reading that somewhere in one of the articles.

Yes.

Ive always been a dreamer
04-04-2016, 07:27 PM
It is very common for ill people with a compromised immune system to get deadly bacterial or staph infections such as pneumonia, CRE, MRSA, or Sepsis. Very often times, they can get multiple infections. My aunt passed away under very similar circumstances as Glenn except her death was brought on by kidney stones. Like Glenn, she actually improved and was taken off the ventilator for a couple of days. But then, her condition worsened again and she was placed back into the coma. She contracted all of the infections I mentioned while she was in the coma. In Glenn's case, if I understand it correctly, he actually contracted pneumonia before he had the surgery, which is why some reports say he never had the operation.

And I don't believe the details of Glenn's funeral arrangements have been made public.

ETA: Sorry for the repetition - I guess we were all posting at the same time.

shunlvswx
04-04-2016, 07:33 PM
Didn't he get a bacterial infection that caused him to be hospitalized in LA after vacationing with his family in Hawaii before he caught the pneumonia? I remember reading that somewhere in one of the articles.

I remembered that article. I think I have that article saved somewhere.

Dawn
04-04-2016, 08:04 PM
I remembered that article. I think I have that article saved somewhere.

I think I may have found it thanks to you and AG95

Eagles manager says arthritis pills played role in Frey’s death

http://pagesix.com/2016/01/19/glenn-frey-had-been-hospitalized-since-november-says-bob-seger/

Frey’s final decline began roughly a month after his last performance with the Eagles in Bossier City, La., on July 29, said his brother, Alan Frey, to The Post.

Glenn Frey had vacationed in Hawaii after the tour ended but was forced to check into a hospital in Los Angeles with an intestinal infection in October, he said.

Frey briefly recovered — and even planned to perform again with the band at the Kennedy Center Honors cultural achievement awards in Washington, DC, in December. But he was forced to cancel in early November, saying he needed to undergo surgery.

shunlvswx
04-04-2016, 08:48 PM
Thanks, Dawn. I have that article saved somewhere. I just didn't remembered where it was.

I just noticed something at the end of the article. I don't remembered if we talked about this, but it was interesting.


Frey fought to keep his final hospital battle a secret from the world. Frey hated talking about his worsening condition, and no one imagined how bad it really was until the very end, said Alan Frey, 60, a mechanic from Phoenix.

When I saw this quote from his brother, I was happy that the press didn't hog Glenn's family. But also. If the guys didn't have the KCH, we probably wouldn't had known he was in the hospital or how sick he was.

Dawn
04-05-2016, 12:25 AM
Thanks, Dawn. I have that article saved somewhere. I just didn't remembered where it was.

I just noticed something at the end of the article. I don't remembered if we talked about this, but it was interesting.



When I saw this quote from his brother, I was happy that the press didn't hog Glenn's family. But also. If the guys didn't have the KCH, we probably wouldn't had known he was in the hospital or how sick he was.

Regarding Kennedy Center Honors - you make a great point - if not for the announcement that the Eagles had to postpone the Dec ceremony due to Glenn's medical needs I don't think the public would have known he was hospitalized. Second, in spite of the seriousness it's likely Glenn had every hope and expectation the surgery and 2-3 month recovery/healing would go well and he'd soon be back in the saddle.

UndertheWire
04-05-2016, 08:40 AM
It still makes me desperately sad that he may never had even had the chance to say goodbye to his family. Presumably when he went into hospital he was still conscious & had hopes of recovery. It also saddens me that his birthday & Christmas were spent there.
This makes me sad, too, but I tell myself that surely, Cindy would have been there when they brought him out of the coma and even if he was unable to talk, a squeeze of a hand would have said it all.

He knew things were serious before he went into hospital so even if he didn't think it was life-threatening, he may have had that talk with the people close to him.

[My mother died suddenly and unexpectedly but she had a scare two weeks earlier that prompted her to say all the things she should have to my father and this gave him a lot of comfort.]

AlreadyGone95
04-05-2016, 11:26 AM
Nearly 3 months after his passing, and I'm still brought to tears by reading something :weep:. As someone whose dad never got to say goodbye to his family, the thought that Glenn didn't either hits me hard. It's bad enough that he spent his birthday and Christmas in the hospital, possibly in a coma for both, but to not be able to say goodbye.

I'm glad for the KCH. Can you imagine if us fans didn't have an inkling that something was wrong? If we thought that he was just taking some time off, enjoying life, and then be hit with the news that he'd died? At least this way, we knew that he was sick.

shunlvswx
04-05-2016, 11:42 AM
I hate to say this, but thank goodness for the KCH award postponement announcement.

I agree. If the guys were not asked to be honor at the KCH awards this year, we would had never known Glenn was in the hospital very sick since he didn't want anybody to know he was very sick. And I think the news of Glenn's death would had hit us much much harder knowing we didn't know he was in the hospital and very sick. I always thought of that when it was first announced Glenn had to have surgery a month before the KCH. Unlike David(who also kept his illness and how sick he was a secret), we knew Glenn was sick. We just didn't know how sick he was.

I really hope and pray during that small little times he was out of the coma, he got to speak to Cindy and the children. Hoping he got out of that second coma just for a little time to say goodbye to Cindy and the children.

To think about it. Glenn had to tell them before he went into the coma to not tell anybody how sick he was. Like some said, he might had thought he was going to pull through this one like he did those other times, but since he was little older and had more health problems, the odds were not in his favor this time. Some part of me kinda knew he might not pull through this time especially when we didn't hear anything else after that announcement.

It kinda hit me that something was not right or I got very nervous about Glenn's health when David Bowie died. I was hoping and praying Glenn was all right when we got the news of David's death and then boom!!! We got the news the following week.

shunlvswx
04-05-2016, 12:48 PM
I'm also glad Glenn was still alive to do the HOTE documentary even though his health probably wasn't that bad 3 or 4 years ago when they were making the documentary.

Glennsallnighter
04-05-2016, 03:52 PM
It still makes me desperately sad that he may never had even had the chance to say goodbye to his family. Presumably when he went into hospital he was still conscious & had hopes of recovery. It also saddens me that his birthday & Christmas were spent there.

I was thinking of him over Christmas a lot but in the context of him hopefully over the surgery and relaxing with (and being spoiled by) his family - maybe if he was feeling more energy gradually easing himself into some songwriting. Although I was starting to get concerned that he wasnt being seen out at all over the season I just put it down to recuperating.

As regards saying goodbye, I'd say he and Cindy knew it was serious, and it was quite likely they did have the 'If this goes wrong...' discussion. In any case she would have been in no doubt how much he loved her and Vice Versa. I'm sure they had their ways to communicate while he was ill.

Funny, when I heard about Bowie I too felt this premonition 'what if it was Glenn :heart:?' Then sighed th some sort of relief and chided myself for being so silly. And a week later WHAM

shunlvswx
04-05-2016, 04:52 PM
I think we all were nervous that we didn't hear anything else after the announcement. I think we brushed it off saying no news is good news. He's probably at home healing. This time the waiting and not hearing anything else was starting to make us very nervous.

As Glenn was healing (knowing now he wasn't during this time), I was thinking about going to my very first Eagles concert once Glenn got better. It was on my bucket list to make sure to see the guys and Don this year. I was just too late. :weep:

I was staying positive and keeping the faith that Glenn was doing great and was resting. The doubt for me didn't start until David died. I don't know, but when David died, his death made me very nervous about Glenn.

Freypower
04-05-2016, 05:34 PM
I think we all were nervous that we didn't hear anything else after the announcement. I think we brushed it off saying no news is good news. He's probably at home healing. This time the waiting and not hearing anything else was starting to make us very nervous.

As Glenn was healing (knowing now he wasn't during this time), I was thinking about going to my very first Eagles concert once Glenn got better. It was on my bucket list to make sure to see the guys and Don this year. I was just too late. :weep:

I was staying positive and keeping the faith that Glenn was doing great and was resting. The doubt for me didn't start until David died. I don't know, but when David died, his death made me very nervous about Glenn.

I'm sorry, but why?

I have already stated that I was not shocked by Glenn's death, but I certainly had no premonition or sense that something would happen when David died. On the contrary. David's death was a big enough shock without me thinking of anything else.

UndertheWire
04-05-2016, 06:26 PM
I don't know about premonition, but with David Bowie and Alan Rickman having died with there having been no coverage of their illnesses in the press, I thought of the lack of news on Glenn. On the 18th, I searched for something on Glenn, hoping for a sighting at a ball game but also dreading news of his death and I was relieved when nothing showed up. Last thing at night, I came to this board and there was Soda's post.

shunlvswx
04-05-2016, 07:21 PM
I'm sorry, but why?

I have already stated that I was not shocked by Glenn's death, but I certainly had no premonition or sense that something would happen when David died. On the contrary. David's death was a big enough shock without me thinking of anything else.

I think it started with a lot of entertainers dying back to back at the end of last year into the beginning of January. Before David died, 3 musicians died a week part. Then David and Alan died the same week(I think two days apart). Their death shocked me since they were still young and we didn't know they were battling cancer. Then Celine's husband, Rene also died that same week(I wasn't shocked with his death since he's been sick for a while). Lemy died somewhere in there. So I was nervous since we didn't know if Glenn was ok. And I was praying he was doing great and he was healing. We all hope he was ok.

I think I was more shocked that I didn't know Glenn was soo sick. I don't think my nervousness was a premonition. It was more like I hope Glenn is ok and he will pull through his illness like he did those other times.

buffyfan145
04-05-2016, 09:03 PM
I know I was shocked when Glenn passed but it was because I had no idea what was going on with him. I hadn't really been paying attention to what was going on with the Eagles at the time besides Don's recent album and knowing they were still on tour. I do remember now I had a conversation the day after David Bowie died with my parents and my Dad said something like "I liked a few of his songs but everyone's acting like he's a god." And I replied "Well, just wait till Paul McCartney goes or someone like that and it'll be the same for us." Then Glenn passed and I was just floored and it took us all by surprise, so we all got then what Bowie's fans were going through.

Plus it was just a brutal time with how many celebrities were passing. And now it's still happening so I feel it's the new normal for me as I'm going to know the ones passing now and be a fan of them.

AlreadyGone95
04-06-2016, 01:47 AM
My uncle is a fan, and every few days, he would ask me if I'd heard any word about Glenn. My mom also asked once or twice. After new years, my uncle started to say that the lack of information is not a good sign. I told him that Glenn is a very private person offstage. I doubt we'll hear anything until he decides his next move. Deep down, I thought that we should've at least heard something like "the surgery was a success". Then came my mom's phone call to me the afternoon of Jan. 18th while I was at my uncle's. I lost it, but then thought that maybe she was mistaken until I saw the NBC Nightly news broadcast and in the preview was a photo of Glenn.

I'm a Motörhead fan. Lemmy's death came as a shock. I'm a casual Bowie fan. I felt sad, but never shed a tear. Alan Rickman's death hit me somewhat hard because of Professor Snape being one of my favorite characters from my childhood. I cried when I heard the news. I thought "which legend will be next?". I had no inkling that it would be Glenn.

jane02
04-06-2016, 02:50 AM
I honestly had no idea Glenn was seriously ill. I had read somewhere he was scheduled for surgery so I thought I was in the middle of a bad dream when I heard the news.
I will always remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard Glenn had died. I was very, very young when Elvis died but I still remember what I was doing at the time (in the garden trying to help my dad with some weeding).
When I heard Glenn had died, I was walking my dogs at the park and listening to the radio when they announced it. The world really stood still. I will never forget that day.
What was everyone else doing when they heard?

sodascouts
04-06-2016, 07:28 AM
I had just gotten back from a trip to a hospice where we visited elderly people who were dying (our school does service on Martin Luther King day). We sang hymns to them - anything they requested that we knew - and they all wanted those hymns talking about the joy of Heaven that awaits (for obvious reasons). We sang lyrics like "Because he lives, all fear is gone [...] I'll fight life's final war with pain, but then when death gives way to victory, I'll see the lights of glory and I'll know He lives" and "When we all get to Heaven, what a day of rejoicing that will be." "I heard about the streets of gold [...] about the angels singing [...] and some sweet day I'll sing up there the song of victory." Basically I was singing hymns about going to Heaven when he was taking his last breaths. There's something comforting about that.

I got home, tried to take a nap, but I started getting all these notifications on my phone that Glenn Frey Online was crashing - it was getting too many hits to handle. I thought maybe I was being cyber-attacked. I got on the phone to my webhost.

I was on hold when I got a text from TimothyBFan that said simply "tell me it isn't true" and somehow I knew what she must be talking about, why my site was crashing. I did a quick Google check to verify it although I knew in my heart it was true. Then, I had to spend over an hour talking to my webhost while trying to make some kind of banner honoring him and trying to update the sites, the board... trying to get everything together but all the while crying.

Glenn is so private that I wasn't bothered at all by the fact there had been no "announcement" that he was doing fine. I thought the only way we would hear something is if he took a turn for the worse, and it turns out I was right. I fully expected him to recover as he had always done before. I had had a really disturbing nightmare in December about him but I dismissed it as anxiety.

I don't blame Glenn for keeping it quiet. It's not as if we could have done anything if we'd known. I was already praying for his health. I suppose more people perhaps would have been motivated to pray if they'd known, but when it's your time to go, that's it. He saved us a lot of worrying by keeping it from us. God bless him and God have mercy upon his soul.

Prettymaid
04-06-2016, 07:30 AM
We were heading home from a shopping trip. To pass the time I pulled out my phone and opened Facebook. Soda's post was the first thing I saw. I remember muttering, "What? Oh my God!", and telling Hubby. The second thing I read stated that it might be a hoax, but within minutes I knew it was true. I had been away from The Border for 2-3 years and yet knew immediately that this is where I needed to come for comfort and to pay my condolences.

Because I had not been on the board recently, I didn't know that Glenn was hospitalized. Maybe nobody here knew either. I vaguely remembered hearing last fall that he was receiving treatment for his illness, but he had been doing that for years. :shrug: It sounds strange, but I was comforted when I read that his family and friends knew a month before he passed that he was not going to make it. At least they had some time to prepare.

Brooke
04-06-2016, 09:47 AM
I still can't imagine how they kept it all so quiet. Tons of people had to know.

I had been gone on a shopping trip that day. I went online when I got home to check Fb and saw a notice on the side bar. I figured it was a hoax. Then I got a text from my daughter that linked to a news story. I couldn't believe it. I tried to get here and the site had crashed, so I knew it must be true. I immediately checked other news sites and came to the terrible realization. I knew all about his health issues, but how could he die? He was way too young and vital of a man to succumb to anything like this. Wrong.

shunlvswx
04-06-2016, 10:14 AM
I was off of work for Dr. Martin Luther King birthday. I don't know what I was doing at that moment. I think I was listening to David Bowie's music at that moment and reading a book on my Kindle on my computer. Then I notice I saw a post on one of the groups about Glenn might had died. I thought it was a very sick joke since their were a lot of post going around saying this actor or that actor had died and later it turned out to be a hoax. So I didn't want to believe it until I had more proof.

I looked on the side of my facebook newsfeed to see if it was trending. Nothing came up. I think the first article I saw about Glenn's (at the moment not knowing if it was true) possible death was TMZ. We know they was tabloid like show. So I didn't want to believe it just yet until I saw more news articles. Then I saw the joint statement from Glenn's family and the guys and I knew it was true. I also came here to see if anybody else knew. I couldn't get on the board since it crashed.

I screamed a little saying, "Not another entertainer! Not Glenn!" as I started to cry. I was upset because we already had 3 people died a week before Glenn and I was not happy that a guy I admired and enjoy his and the guys music for so many years had died.

Nobody else picked up on the story that Glenn died just yet. I think TMZ was the first and I think when the news media saw the statement from Glenn's family and the guys, they started to report the news of his death. I don't remembered if the statement came out before TMZ posted the news or after. All I know nobody else had said anything at that moment.

Thank goodness I wasn't at work or my mother wasn't home yet when I got the news. I didn't want them to think I was crazy. They would had thought why are you upset about a person you've never met or who don't know you. I just didn't want to deal with that from nobody.

travlnman2
04-06-2016, 10:46 AM
I just saw it on a non Eagles fan forum. What many of you are describing as premonitions is what happened with my grandmother when she had alzhimers. About two months before her death I had a dream about her funeral. The weekend before she died I knew something was not right it just felt strange. I did not know what it was but it felt weird. My father was acting increasingly agitated so i had to be careful talking around him. I went to bed that sunday night thinking it was nothing but at 4:00 in the morning we got the call that my grandmother passed away. I did not cry at first but then I processed the news and broke down. I hate premonitions.

Dawn
04-06-2016, 01:44 PM
Thanks to everyone for sharing their personal stories. I can't remember where I was or what I was doing when I first heard the dreadful news that Glenn Frey just 67 years young had died.

Something I do remember with great clarity is how disappointed I was to learn in early November that the Eagles wouldn't be able to participate in the Kennedy Center Honors which was just 4 weeks away. I was so looking forward to the tribute by their peers performing a selection of their work to the delight of the audience, their legion of fans at home and of course, the Eagles themselves.

"He must really need to have surgery" I remember thinking to myself in response to the timing and projected "lengthy" recovery period which I imagined he'd be able to complete over the holidays and New Year in the comfort of his own home

While only the doctors, staff, close family and his inner circle of trusted friends could know precisely when he took that fateful turn "for the worse" I know the power of premonition, intuition, dreams and am quite sure those who experienced such insight and awareness dearly wish Glenn had been able to turn things around and prove them wrong. Sadly it wasn't to be.

Glenn is gone but oh my - how lucky he was to live his dream and in doing so leave behind a legacy to inspire others to live theirs.

Glennsallnighter
04-06-2016, 02:50 PM
i had been visiting an uncle in the house where my mother grew up. I never knew it until that night but the townland that the house was on was called 'Royal Oak'. I was thrilled with this connection with Glenn :heart: and went to post it in the 'Little Things' thread, but I couldn't get onto the Border. My internet hadn't been great and the Border had been difficult to load the past few days so I decided to wait until the next day when I could do it during a free class at work.
About 30 mins later Soda whatsapped me the awful news. My hands were shaking as I went online but I never thought it was a hoax. In my heart I knew immediately that it was true. It was after 10pm that night, hubby was working and the kids were kinda heading towards bed, so I mechanically did the things I usually doe for them, but I barely slept that night. I felt like I hda been kicked hard in the stomach

buffyfan145
04-06-2016, 04:10 PM
I was in my room and was either writing in my journal or reading (I just remember I was holding a book) and my parents and brother were watching the evening news downstairs and suddenly I heard my Mom gasp and my brother go "Oh man." I suddenly knew someone died and it was big, so I went to the landing and called down asking what happened and my Mom answered back "Glenn Frey from the Eagles died." Like I said before I had no idea he was sick and I just stood there almost in shock for a few moments before I went downstairs. They ended up finding articles about it and we were all just stunned. I went back in my room and after writing about it in my journal I turned on my radio to my classic rock station and they were playing Glenn's solo songs & Eagles songs and I still couldn't believe it. I was ok till they played "Desperado" and then I just balled. I finally got online and started seeing all the posts from my family, friends, and celebs who were fans and made my own to post. My family ended up playing Glenn's music that night and we just talked about how much they meant to us as a family. But the thing that got me the most was my brother's FB post where he posted a vid of the Eagles singing "Take it Easy" from a recent performance and he wrote "RIP Glenn Frey. Lost a legend today. Take it Easy man." I posted before how we used to sing TIE during family road trips since we were toddlers and my brother and I always used to sing together in the backseat to it. Just brought back so many memories.

Jonny Come Lately
04-06-2016, 04:11 PM
I went to bed relatively early on the night of 18th January (I think it was between 10:30-10:45 PM, at least half an hour earlier than usual) as I had an exam the following day. There were a few days between this paper and the previous one so I had been able to come home and as the exam was in the afternoon I was at home and would be driven up on the morning of the paper. I often check the internet shortly before going to sleep but on this occasion I did not as I wanted to keep myself fresh ahead of the 'big day'.

I woke up the following morning and to be honest the thing I was thinking about most was the paper. However, at the breakfast table that morning I was given a shock when my Dad suddenly mentioned that my sister (who was also at home) had read something on social media the previous night saying that Eagles guitarist Glenn Frey had died at the age of 67. I was stunned and in a sense of disbelief. My parents asked me if I knew he was ill and said, truthfully, that I knew he had been in hospital but did not think it was that severe. I then checked the internet just to be sure and got my confirmation on the BBC News page. I was very sad and immediately thought of everyone on The Border. As planned, I then went back to university to take the exam paper that afternoon. I am rarely especially talkative on the morning of exams but even more so on that morning, I really didn't want to speak unless spoken to but to borrow the lyric from MOUAS, 'still I had to go on'. On the drive the radio was on and there was a lot of stuff about Glenn. I heard YBTTC on the radio and also a clip of Glenn talking about The Beach Boys followed by Don't Worry Baby, one of his favourite BB songs. It was nice to hear people paying tribute to him, but it was still very hard to accept.

Taking the paper felt very strange. I tried hard to concentrate and was able to answer most of the questions fine but could not stop thinking in the back of my mind about Glenn and the Eagles and Somebody and Already Gone were playing in my head. When I got my results a few weeks later, I did quite well in the exam and it was a relief to me as my mind felt so different from usual. I then went back to my place and with no papers for a couple more days didn't do any more work that day. I listened to the Eagles and a few other songs about accepting loss (the first two songs I listened to were My Man and Bob Dylan's Knockin' On Heaven's Door) and spent virtually the whole evening reading everyone's posts on The Border and reading just about every tribute to Glenn I could find.

I didn't get any premonitions, although I must admit after Alan Rickman died I did worry 'who would be next?'. I never thought it would be Glenn. :sad:

I don't listen to Motorhead, so I can't honestly say Lemmy's death moved me on a personal level. I respect David Bowie (I was very shocked when he died as he'd just released his new album), and was quite sad about Rickman (I was never much of a Harry Potter fan, but I thought his performance as Snape was the best of anyone in the films), but none of these deaths moved me nearly as much as Glenn's passing. I had never before experienced the death of a musician who meant as much to me, and the other deaths which have moved me to a similar extent have tended to be in my personal life or in sport (I am always very sad when racing drivers like Jules Bianchi or Justin Wilson succumb to injuries sustained in crashes).

Freypower
04-06-2016, 06:05 PM
I knew he was hospitalised but I hadn't been thinking about it. I presumed that when he recovered he would start to make appearances as he always did.

On Tuesday January 19 I was dowloading the two 'Target' songs in preparation for the Cass County Survivor which was due to start that week. About 8.45 am I noticed the Border wasn't loading. I thought nothing of it & rang my mother because I had to talk to her about our plans for Australia Day.

When I finished the Border still wasn't loading so I went to Facebook & immediately saw the Eagles' announcement, with that beautiful photo staring at me which for some inexplicable reason I had never seen. It was like it had been saved for this purpose.

Though I have been through a lot, making signature banners and so on, I still have not cried & it now appears that I won't, because perhaps my disbelief is still too ingrained.

I still believe a great deal of the media coverage has been inadequate & I am saddened that the memorial service was kept so quiet. I don't know what to say about the other members of the Eagles. I thought they may have been more forthcoming. I feel that it would have helped me if they had shared more of their thoughts - Henley relased a brief statement, Walsh sang a song we know nothing about, and Schmit has been silent. The Grammy tribute didn't work. Then there was Felder....

And then Henley & Walsh decided to start touring again.

As far as the 'turn for the worse' Bob Seger stated it was about 'a month ago' that the doctors had to 'throw up their hands' i.e. mid December. That hurt too. It all hurts.

FWIW
04-06-2016, 06:05 PM
Hubby and I were off work for the MLK holiday. He was checking his phone for news and mail and casually said, "Oh, some guy from the Eagles just died." (Obviously he does not share my obsession with all things Eagles.) He didn't give me the name, but I knew in my heart that it was Glenn. I was just stunned. After getting the details, I immediately texted my brother who does share my obsession. We spent some time reminiscing about Glenn, the Eagles, and the various shows we've seen.

Even though I knew of Glenn's recent health problems, and that he had surgery planned, I never for once thought he would die. Years ago I went to a Don Henley benefit where Glenn was supposed to appear. He was unable to attend because he was hospitalized. They had a short video feed from his hospital bed where he kicked off an Eagles song. I sorta figured this hospital stay would be like that one. He'd get patched up and then go back to his very busy life.

Since Glenn's passing, my sense of emptiness has been constant. Fortuntely I don't have to explain the feeling to follow Borders.

jane02
04-06-2016, 06:26 PM
As I mentioned previously I was walking my dogs and listening to the radio when the DJ announced there was breaking news from the USA that a member of the Eagles had died. I immediately thought it had to be Joe Walsh (not sure why but his name came straight to my mind). When they cut to a news correspondant from New York and they announced it was in fact Glenn I was in disbelief.
Thank you everyone for the comfort I receive by just being on these forums and reading everyone's stories and sharing the feelings we are all experiencing.

Dawn
04-06-2016, 08:31 PM
As I mentioned previously I was walking my dogs and listening to the radio when the DJ announced there was breaking news from the USA that a member of the Eagles had died. I immediately thought it had to be Joe Walsh (not sure why but his name came straight to my mind). When they cut to a news correspondant from New York and they announced it was in fact Glenn I was in disbelief.
Thank you everyone for the comfort I receive by just being on these forums and reading everyone's stories and sharing the feelings we are all experiencing.

I also came to this forum with the hope of meeting people to talk to and about the Eagles especially Glenn Frey whose passing was nothing short of shocking (this may be why I had to be reminded it was thru a text message I first heard the God awful news).

Nearly 3 months later it still feels surreal and now the tragic death of Randy Meisner's wife - it's like a landslide.

jane02
04-06-2016, 11:10 PM
I also came to this forum with the hope of meeting people to talk to and about the Eagles especially Glenn Frey whose passing was nothing short of shocking (this may be why I had to be reminded it was thru a text message I first heard the God awful news).

Nearly 3 months later it still feels surreal and now the tragic death of Randy Meisner's wife - it's like a landslide.
I am still in mourning as well Dawn. I am so glad to have found this forum with like minded people. Its been a saviour for me. My friends liked the Eagles and were sad by Glenn's passing at the time but they have all moved on. I have not got to that point as yet and not sure I ever will. As a teenager in the 70's, Glenn was my first idol, the first poster I had on my wall and he's remained number one for me since then.

WS82Classics
04-07-2016, 08:03 AM
I was going on a walk down the hill I live atop around a quarter after 5 that afternoon. It was really cold outside and I was going barefoot, as is my tried and true tendency. My mother sent me a text asking if I'd heard about Glenn Frey. I had not, but I knew instantly what had happened, as I'd known he'd been very sick of late.

Leaning against a tree, I Google searched his name and the first thing I saw was a tweet from NBC Nightly News announcing "Eagles founder Glenn Frey dies at age 67 in New York City." It took the wind right out of me. I remember walking down and up in the frigid air, ruminating on the news which had just broken. I was totally numb in absorbing it all. After I got back, I informed my father, who had owned '71-'75 on 8-track and "Hotel California" and "Long Run" on cassette back in the day. Of all of the rock deaths this year, this one has been the most surreal for both of us.

With the lights out(except for the setting sun coming through the window), I sat in my room and listened to the Atlanta-area rock station as they played "Peaceful, Easy Feeling," "Already Gone," "Desperado," "Seven Bridges Road," and the HFO live version of "Hotel California." It was like attending a memorial service, except far sadder than any I've attended in nearly 15 years.

FWIW
04-07-2016, 11:28 AM
Jane, I could be your twin! Glenn and the Eagles have always been a part of my life and I don't want that to change. My brother always teased me, saying that I only liked Glenn because of his looks. Admittedly that was probably the initial reason I was drawn to him, :), but over the years it's gone way beyond that. Moving on will be very difficult.

Glennsallnighter
04-08-2016, 04:33 AM
I'm glad that the border is helping everyone to try to make sense out of this very sad time. Thats what we are here for and we welcome any words and experiences that can help each other. I was telling a friend yesterday about my impending trip to Detroit and she said 'its like you're going to the funeral you never had'. That just summed it up from someone who totally understood.

#1glennfan
04-22-2016, 10:33 AM
I am new to this group. I remember thinking something must be wrong because after they announced the postponement of the Kennedy Center honors, there was no news, no updates. Had thought it was his diverticulitis again, never thought it was so much more serious. I opened Facebook that day and saw the announcement with his picture, heartbreaking words. I have been a fan since I was 7. Loved his music, his voice. Always thought he could sing eloquently and graciously what we felt, and that voice just tugged at my heart. I will never get over this.

GlennLover
04-22-2016, 01:33 PM
I am new to this group. I remember thinking something must be wrong because after they announced the postponement of the Kennedy Center honors, there was no news, no updates. Had thought it was his diverticulitis again, never thought it was so much more serious. I opened Facebook that day and saw the announcement with his picture, heartbreaking words. I have been a fan since I was 7. Loved his music, his voice. Always thought he could sing eloquently and graciously what we felt, and that voice just tugged at my heart. I will never get over this.

Welcome, #1gf! There are many of us that will ever get over this ( no pun intended ).

alreadygone
04-23-2016, 06:11 PM
I go on twitter a lot and whenever I see a famous name on the "trending" I kind of wonder if (if they're a boomer or older) if they're dead. Like I saw something that was "trending" about David Gilmour recently and I was like "has another one bitten the dust"? Apparently, he had done some orchestra version of one of the PF songs. When I saw GF's name on the trending on twitter this January - I sort of thought this might be happening simply based on math - if you have seven random people, one of them will probably die before 70 and since it was rare to have a rock band (especially when you consider drug use and what not) have all its members (let alone 7) alive past a certain age, eventually statistics kick in. Look at all the other bands who lost members before 70

Doors - Morrison at 27
Stones - Jones at 27
Zeppelin - Bonham at 32
Who - Moon at 32, Entwistle at 57
Beatles - Lennon at 40, Harrison at 58
Floyd - Wright at 65
Chicago - Kath at 32

Glennsallnighter
04-25-2016, 06:52 AM
I am new to this group. I remember thinking something must be wrong because after they announced the postponement of the Kennedy Center honors, there was no news, no updates. Had thought it was his diverticulitis again, never thought it was so much more serious. I opened Facebook that day and saw the announcement with his picture, heartbreaking words. I have been a fan since I was 7. Loved his music, his voice. Always thought he could sing eloquently and graciously what we felt, and that voice just tugged at my heart. I will never get over this.

I don't think any one of us every really truly will #1glennfan. To many of us he was as close to us and as part of our lives as any family member and he will always stay that way for me. A part of me died with him and thats the way it will always be. Welcome to the Border!!

alreadygone
04-25-2016, 04:07 PM
I was wondering - doesn't he have twin daughters who are high school aged? I would think they would be the ones most hurt by this.

Glennhoney
04-25-2016, 05:30 PM
I was wondering - doesn't he have twin daughters who are high school aged? I would think they would be the ones most hurt by this.
Who has twin daughters?????????

alreadygone
04-25-2016, 05:39 PM
for some reason I thought Frey had twin daughters - maybe I'm wrong.

Freypower
04-25-2016, 05:54 PM
for some reason I thought Frey had twin daughters - maybe I'm wrong.

He had one daughter & two sons.

alreadygone
04-25-2016, 07:49 PM
He had one daughter & two sons.

ok my bad

DJ
04-27-2016, 09:14 PM
It's still very shocking, but knowing what he had, it doesn't surprise me. Autoimmune disorders are brutal on the body. Infections of any sort can kill you. But it seems we are losing a lot of prominent singers as of late, and that's very sad. I suppose we are at the age where this will be happening more and more. Still shocking and sad. :cry:

travlnman2
08-12-2016, 06:48 PM
Sorry to revive this thread but somenthing came to me the other day and I just couldn't find the place to post it.
What Irving said about these commercials are true. All of these drugs have 3-2 seconds of postive info then all of these horrible side effects. I think that the drugs played a part in his passing. Because maybe if the drugs did not have the immuno supression thrn he could have been able to recover. But I am extreamly gratefull he was able to this last tour even though I missed out on seeing them when I could have.

A few years ago I got Mono and it was horrible. I was living on Popsicles for two weeks because my tonsils were so swollen. I am on several medications for ADHD and BI Polar so when I had mono I could only take one of them because I could not have just went Cold Turkey on it. But I could have went to the hospital if I still took the meds. I could not work out because of the swelling in my gall blader. It was two months before I could function normally again.

These drugs do bery bad things. I wish there was other treatments out there.

Thank You Glenn for your music you gave us.

DJ
08-18-2016, 01:06 PM
Sorry to revive this thread but somenthing came to me the other day and I just couldn't find the place to post it.
What Irving said about these commercials are true. All of these drugs have 3-2 seconds of postive info then all of these horrible side effects. I think that the drugs played a part in his passing. Because maybe if the drugs did not have the immuno supression thrn he could have been able to recover. But I am extreamly gratefull he was able to this last tour even though I missed out on seeing them when I could have.

A few years ago I got Mono and it was horrible. I was living on Popsicles for two weeks because my tonsils were so swollen. I am on several medications for ADHD and BI Polar so when I had mono I could only take one of them because I could not have just went Cold Turkey on it. But I could have went to the hospital if I still took the meds. I could not work out because of the swelling in my gall blader. It was two months before I could function normally again.

These drugs do bery bad things. I wish there was other treatments out there.

Thank You Glenn for your music you gave us.

Hang In there TravlnMan2. It's tough to be on all kinds of medication. Side Effects sometimes make you want to quit everything. :grooving: Keep On Rockin.

VillageGirl
08-20-2016, 01:22 PM
Just wanted to shed some light on this issue as an RN and as someone who deals with the complications of Lupus and Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia on a daily basis.

Can drugs like Enbrel and others in that category used to treat rheumatoid arthritis cause severe immunosuppression and other serious and or fatal side effects? Absolutely. However, many other drugs can often do the same, not necessarily always by immunosuppression, but by other mechanisms. They are just not on TV.

I am by far not a huge proponent of Big Pharma, but blaming Glenn's death on a medication he was on for 15 years and very likely regularly followed by a rheumatologist does not entirely make sense.

IMO, had Glenn not been treated for his RA many years ago, there would have been no way he would have been able to play to guitar, be able to endure the many hours of standing and sitting touring requires of you and would have been forced into retirement.

Perhaps this would have been a good thing. Who knows? Maybe a combo of the treatments and a less rigorous touring schedule may have improved his health as constant traveling as we age causes our immunity to drop even more. No one can say for sure.

But when I read things like Azoff suggesting that Glenn's RA treatment led to , "ulcer and colitis" ( he sounds like a buffoon as the term is ulcerative colitis), I wince as one of the treatments for ulcerative colitis is practically the same as for RA. Had he really been so deeply concerned for Glenn, he would have told him to take a break from touring a reevaluate with his healthcare team.

Personally, I beg my rheumatologist to place me on Enbrel because the joint pain and quality of life sucks and I am only 44 with a 10 year old. Because I have a chronic form of leukemia which is now at Stage 0 and could kill me next month or when I am 90, he refuses. He is considering a less powerful med, Methotrexate. Not sure if Glenn was on that one as that has been around awhile.

My point is, and I finally got my husband to understand, if I could have just 2 or 3 months of feeling half as good as I did before all this stuff( particularly joint pain and dislocations) started I would live my life to the fullest, not just for me, but for my husband, daughter, and parents. If it was the end of my rope at the end of those few months, then I would take that any day over living months in pain and suffering.

Not sure if that's how Glenn felt, but if he did, I hear you loud and clear brother. Thank you for everything and may you soar high.

P.S. This is just my opinion and apologies in advance if anyone feels like I offended them.

Ive always been a dreamer
08-20-2016, 01:40 PM
Thanks for your post, VG. My oldest sister has RA and Lupus, so I sort of understand what you are saying.

As far as Glenn - we don't really know what his treatment was since he was diagnosed with RA, but I would have to agree with you that without medication, he would probably have never been able to keep up with the rigorous demands of touring. At least, they afforded him the opportunity to do what he loved doing. Whether or not they contributed to his untimely death, I can't say or not, but, it is certainly possible.

Anyway, I wish you the best and hope you do what's best for you. I guess that's all any of us really have any control over during our time on this earth.

VillageGirl
08-20-2016, 01:46 PM
Thank you Dreamer! My best to you and your sister

travlnman2
08-20-2016, 02:39 PM
Thank you for post VG. I did not even know Glenn had Arthritis untill they announced his death. I assumed that the Intestinal problems were going to be treatable.

Now Glenn was entitled to his privacy and was able to say goodbye on the HOTE tour even though we did not know it was going to be the last.

Freypower
08-20-2016, 06:00 PM
Just wanted to shed some light on this issue as an RN and as someone who deals with the complications of Lupus and Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia on a daily basis.

Can drugs like Enbrel and others in that category used to treat rheumatoid arthritis cause severe immunosuppression and other serious and or fatal side effects? Absolutely. However, many other drugs can often do the same, not necessarily always by immunosuppression, but by other mechanisms. They are just not on TV.

I am by far not a huge proponent of Big Pharma, but blaming Glenn's death on a medication he was on for 15 years and very likely regularly followed by a rheumatologist does not entirely make sense.

IMO, had Glenn not been treated for his RA many years ago, there would have been no way he would have been able to play to guitar, be able to endure the many hours of standing and sitting touring requires of you and would have been forced into retirement.

Perhaps this would have been a good thing. Who knows? Maybe a combo of the treatments and a less rigorous touring schedule may have improved his health as constant traveling as we age causes our immunity to drop even more. No one can say for sure.

But when I read things like Azoff suggesting that Glenn's RA treatment led to , "ulcer and colitis" ( he sounds like a buffoon as the term is ulcerative colitis), I wince as one of the treatments for ulcerative colitis is practically the same as for RA. Had he really been so deeply concerned for Glenn, he would have told him to take a break from touring a reevaluate with his healthcare team.

Personally, I beg my rheumatologist to place me on Enbrel because the joint pain and quality of life sucks and I am only 44 with a 10 year old. Because I have a chronic form of leukemia which is now at Stage 0 and could kill me next month or when I am 90, he refuses. He is considering a less powerful med, Methotrexate. Not sure if Glenn was on that one as that has been around awhile.

My point is, and I finally got my husband to understand, if I could have just 2 or 3 months of feeling half as good as I did before all this stuff( particularly joint pain and dislocations) started I would live my life to the fullest, not just for me, but for my husband, daughter, and parents. If it was the end of my rope at the end of those few months, then I would take that any day over living months in pain and suffering.

Not sure if that's how Glenn felt, but if he did, I hear you loud and clear brother. Thank you for everything and may you soar high.

P.S. This is just my opinion and apologies in advance if anyone feels like I offended them.

I only ever saw Irving using the term 'ulcerative colitis' which was listed as a cause of death. I also would prefer not to speculate on what Irving should or should not have done. I am sure he's hurting, like everyone else. I personally wish that Glenn had made more recordings in his last years, but it didn't happen.

Brooke
08-22-2016, 03:03 PM
I would agree that had Glenn not taken the drugs then we probably wouldn't have gotten these last years of shows. I'm sure he did what he thought best for himself and his family.