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Delilah
01-26-2018, 03:24 PM
This blog makes the argument for why Don should be inducted into the RnR HoF as a solo artist. Given his platinum-level album sales, status as one of the all-time great singers, his songwriting recognitions, his collaborations with other artists and contributions to movie soundtracks, all as a solo artist, should he be inducted?

In a nutshell, the author says this:

This is a career that has shown continuing influence on music through collaboration and relevant original material, as well as continued chart and sales success. The result is an obvious Rock & Roll Hall of Fame career even apart from his success with the Eagles.
What says the forum?

”Why Aren’t They in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame: Don Henley” edgeinducedcohesion, Aug. 4, 2016 (https://edgeinducedcohesion.blog/2016/08/04/why-arent-they-in-the-rock-roll-hall-of-fame-don-henley/)

groupie2686
01-26-2018, 03:50 PM
Sure, why not. Henley's solo career was very successful. All 4 Beatles have been inducted for their solo careers now, so the fact that he was already inducted for the Eagles wouldn't make a difference. However, this would of course open the question of why Henley's solo career and not the other band members. I think every artist will be inducted eventually anyway - sooner or later they will run out.

buffyfan145
01-26-2018, 05:54 PM
I agree and he should be.

Freypower
01-26-2018, 07:01 PM
Sure, why not. Henley's solo career was very successful. All 4 Beatles have been inducted for their solo careers now, so the fact that he was already inducted for the Eagles wouldn't make a difference. However, this would of course open the question of why Henley's solo career and not the other band members. I think every artist will be inducted eventually anyway - sooner or later they will run out.


Because he had the most solo success overall. I think Walsh also has a case but not the others. The Beatles are a special case (and Ringo was only inducted a couple of years ago).

Henley will probably be inducted on his own eventually, just as Peter Gabriel was (Genesis fans are still waiting for Phil Collins, who was far more successful in terms of sales, to receive the honour).

But then I think Mark Knopfler should be in there twice (Dire Straits are FINALLY in this year) but I don't think it will ever happen.

YoungEaglesFan
01-26-2018, 11:28 PM
Personally I think Henley is an obvious choice for the hall of fame. I’m leaning towards Glenn being in, and I’m probably against Joe being in. I don’t think he was prolific enough to get in though his solo career was much more important to his career than anyone else

sodascouts
01-27-2018, 01:15 AM
It would be a bit awkward if he's the only solo Eagle in there, but so what? There's no reason why he shouldn't be inducted based on his own merit. They could always induct the other guys to solve that problem! ;)

UndertheWire
01-27-2018, 09:03 AM
There are others who deserve to get in first, but after that, why not?

travlnman2
01-27-2018, 01:45 PM
Even though I think the Rock N Roll Hall Of Shame is a complete scam.

Don and Joe deserve to because I think out of solo hots these two are more well known.

travlnman2
01-27-2018, 01:46 PM
Because he had the most solo success overall. I think Walsh also has a case but not the others. The Beatles are a special case (and Ringo was only inducted a couple of years ago).

Henley will probably be inducted on his own eventually, just as Peter Gabriel was (Genesis fans are still waiting for Phil Collins, who was far more successful in terms of sales, to receive the honour).

But then I think Mark Knopfler should be in there twice (Dire Straits are FINALLY in this year) but I don't think it will ever happen.


Ringo was inducted in 2015 :)

I agree with everything you said

sodascouts
01-27-2018, 04:29 PM
Even though I think the Rock N Roll Hall Of Shame is a complete scam.

Don and Joe deserve to because I think out of solo hots these two are more well known.

I guess it depends on who you talk to. I know most people I know outside of the fandom immediately recognize "The Heat Is On" and "You Belong to the City" but don't recognize any of Joe's solo songs. Some of them actually think "Funk 49" is "Footloose" when it starts (at least several who have been riding in my car when it came on lol).

WalshFan88
01-27-2018, 05:22 PM
I definitely feel like Glenn's solo career ranks right up there with Don's, so I'd say if they are going to do one they need to do the other. To me they were equal.

Joe's solo career was big too. People might not know Funk 49 or Walk Away but I don't know anybody who doesn't know Rocky Mountain Way or Life's Been Good.

Freypower
01-27-2018, 07:18 PM
I definitely feel like Glenn's solo career ranks right up there with Don's, so I'd say if they are going to do one they need to do the other. To me they were equal.

Joe's solo career was big too. People might not know Funk 49 or Walk Away but I don't know anybody who doesn't know Rocky Mountain Way or Life's Been Good.

I loved Glenn but the sad fact is he had two top ten singles which appeared on soundtrack albums. His solo albums did not sell. He had nothing like the profile or the visibility Don had except for perhaps one year.

Sentimentality is all very well; When Glenn died his solo career was barely mentioned. There has not been any attempt to create interest in it as often happens with deceased artists. Sadly he did not have a large enough or influential enough body of work to justify him being in the Hall of Fame.

Joe on the other had had his own career before the Eagles & did enough with his pre Eagles bands as well as with his post Eagles solo work to justify being included.

A lot of the Hall of Fame stuff centres on who Jann Wenner thinks is 'hip' at any given time. Glenn was never 'hip' but Don Henley was. (Phil Collins was never 'hip' but Peter Gabriel epitomises the concept). This is one reason why it has taken so long for a lot of British bands, particularly progressive bands, like Yes & the Moody Blues, AND Dire Straits, to get there. They weren't 'hip'.

Dawn
01-28-2018, 03:38 AM
In Glenn Frey's own words

Re: his third solo album ... "let the lyrics sneak across"

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rnmp-DRPTU

New Kid In Town
01-28-2018, 10:49 AM
I loved Glenn but the sad fact is he had two top ten singles which appeared on soundtrack albums. His solo albums did not sell. He had nothing like the profile or the visibility Don had except for perhaps one year.

Sentimentality is all very well; When Glenn died his solo career was barely mentioned. There has not been any attempt to create interest in it as often happens with deceased artists. Sadly he did not have a large enough or influential enough body of work to justify him being in the Hall of Fame.

Joe on the other had had his own career before the Eagles & did enough with his pre Eagles bands as well as with his post Eagles solo work to justify being included.

A lot of the Hall of Fame stuff centres on who Jann Wenner thinks is 'hip' at any given time. Glenn was never 'hip' but Don Henley was. (Phil Collins was never 'hip' but Peter Gabriel epitomises the concept). This is one reason why it has taken so long for a lot of British bands, particularly progressive bands, like Yes & the Moody Blues, AND Dire Straits, to get there. They weren't 'hip'.

FP, sadly I have to agree with you. No matter how much I loved Glenn, his solo career was not as successful as Don's. Don was huge in the 80's, especially with the success of EOTI, and all those Grammy wins. He deserves to be in the R&RHOF. As does Joe, who had a much more successful solo career pre/post Eagles. None of the other Eagles have done , IMHO, what what would be considered a successful solo career to be voted into the R&RHOF.

sodascouts
01-28-2018, 11:29 AM
FP does not give Glenn the credit he is due. She has always downplayed his solo career, an odd quirk of hers over the years considering what a big fan she is.

It's true Glenn "only" had 2 top 10 hits. Both those songs hit #2. No other solo Eagle's songs hit #2, unless you count Don singing with Stevie on "Leather and Lace" or singing with Patti Smyth on "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough." The highest he got was #3 with "Dirty Laundry."

Glenn had six songs chart in the top 20. That's also more than any other Eagle. Don had four.

I'm not saying his albums were more successful; they weren't.... and Don had more songs in the top 40. Overall, he was more successful in that regard. He certainly was the critic's darling.

But forgive me if I don't use the word "sad" in the context of Glenn's solo career.

New Kid In Town
01-28-2018, 12:09 PM
FP does not give Glenn the credit he is due. She has always downplayed his solo career, an odd quirk of hers over the years considering what a big fan she is.

It's true Glenn "only" had 2 top 10 hits. Both those songs hit #2. No other solo Eagle's songs hit #2, unless you count Don singing with Stevie on "Leather and Lace" or singing with Patti Smyth on "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough." The highest he got was #3 with "Dirty Laundry."

Glenn had six songs chart in the top 20. That's also more than any other Eagle. Don had four.

I'm not saying his albums were more successful; they weren't.... and Don had more songs in the top 40. Overall, he was more successful in that regard. He certainly was the critic's darling.

But forgive me if I don't use the word "sad" to describe Glenn's solo career.

Very true Soda. I thought he had more top 20 hits than Don. I was thinking in terms of overall success as a solo artist. Plus, Glenn was also working on his acting career in the 80's, which took away from his music output. I think it's safe to say both were successful in different ways.
Just as an after thought, but Glenn did not always help himself by putting down his solo career while praising Don's to the moon and back. I have always felt he did not give himself enough credit as both a solo artist and in the Eagles. I don't know why he always felt it necessary to do that. He was a giant in his own right.

Ive always been a dreamer
01-28-2018, 04:19 PM
First of all, I do believe that Don should be inducted into the R&R HOF. He did achieve more critical and commercial success than any other Eagle as a solo artist in that he received two Grammy awards and sold more albums. As Soda said he was the critic’s media darling. And while I believe Don worked very hard to be successful and deserved these accolades, I also think the reality is that the general public has a skewed perception about how much success he achieved as compared to Glenn and Joe.

As Soda pointed out, Glenn had a pretty successful solo career of his own and it stands up pretty well in comparison to Don’s. They were actually pretty close in Top 40 hits – I think Don may have had a couple more than Glenn. Let’s also not forget that No Fun Aloud and The Allnighter were both certified gold. I often wonder how differently his solo career may have been perceived if Strange Weather had been a commercial success. This is the only time I would use the term sad to describe Glenn’s solo career. It’s a shame that, what I believe was his best effort by far, did not get the attention and critical acclaim it deserved. I feel a lot of that was due to poor marketing and bad timing.

Although I don’t agree with Freypower’s assessment at all, I do agree that she may be on to something about the ‘hip’ thing being an important factor for Jann Wenner, which is unfortunate. I think this attitude has permeated pop culture and is one reason that Joe may be perceived as having such a successful solo career. The fact of the matter is that, although very 'hip', Joe never had a Top 10 solo hit and had only four Top 40 hits – the highest of which reached #12 (LBG). To his credit, he definitely was the most prolific solo Eagle in terms of output though. However, I’ve personally never been one to value quantity over quality.

NightMistBlue
01-28-2018, 06:26 PM
It's not about deservingness, it's about "are you friends with Jann Wenner?"

Freypower
01-28-2018, 06:41 PM
FP does not give Glenn the credit he is due. She has always downplayed his solo career, an odd quirk of hers over the years considering what a big fan she is.

It's true Glenn "only" had 2 top 10 hits. Both those songs hit #2. No other solo Eagle's songs hit #2, unless you count Don singing with Stevie on "Leather and Lace" or singing with Patti Smyth on "Sometimes Love Just Ain't Enough." The highest he got was #3 with "Dirty Laundry."

Glenn had six songs chart in the top 20. That's also more than any other Eagle. Don had four.

I'm not saying his albums were more successful; they weren't.... and Don had more songs in the top 40. Overall, he was more successful in that regard. He certainly was the critic's darling.

But forgive me if I don't use the word "sad" in the context of Glenn's solo career.

Soda, I'm afraid you have overreacted to the word 'sad' (and also 'sadly'. I know that word does jump out). But in Hall of Fame terms, top 20 chart hits aren't what is considered important. What is important are album sales, awards, and 'crediibilty' as represented by all the benefits Don did & all the hanging out he did with other musicians.

'Casual fans' & probably most other people only remember THIO & YBTTC. Who remembers the other Top 20 hits?

I am being harsh because I am looking at it the way the HOF judges see it, not the way I see it. Though I will say that I was frustrated by the way Glenn dealt with his solo career. He was very dilettantish about it, especially after Soul Searchin' when he couldn't tour due to illness. BUT: I've just looked at the 'Legit' thread where he decided there was more to life than making records.

Also Glenn did the sort of music HE wanted to do. He emphasised his love of Motown & Memphis R&B and that meant... no deep lyrics. He left the 'deep' lyrics of his Eagles days to Henley. That led to the perception that Henley was the Eagle with the talent, and that persisted, and still persists, to this day, to the point where... I don't think I need to go on, do I?

Even when Glenn covered songs by other artists live, he did those happy, bouncy songs (e.g. Sam Cooke's I'll Come Running Back To You). No deep, dark Leonard Cohen for him. And that is what critics love.

It wasn't until Strange Weather that Glenn upped the ante & decided to write more 'serious' songs. By then it was too late. And of course his fnal album was not a rock album & was mainly cover versions.

He did what he wanted & more power to him. I personally loved his music, as you all know, and I preferred it to Don's music. But I'm not a Hall of Fame judge.

Now that they have fan votes, it is possible that with enough support he could be inducted to the HOF. But in order to receive a vote, you have to be nominated, and I'm afraid that goes back to the 'hip' business.

So what makes a solo career successful enough to be in the Hall of Fame? Either they can't be ignored, as with the members of the Beatles, or they combine all the factors of being critics' favourites with being big sellers. Hence Gabriel instead of Collins. Collins was absolutely massive in terms of sales, dwarfing both Frey & Henley, for a lot longer than Gabriel was. But the critics hate him.

maryc2130
01-28-2018, 08:16 PM
I think Don's songs stand the test of time a little better than Glenn's. On the radio stations I listen to, anyway, Don's solo songs are played MUCH more frequently than Glenn's.

Anyway, the question asked doesn't have to do with Glenn. It just asks if Don should be inducted into the Rock 'n Roll Hall of Fame. My answer is a resounding yes! Some may say that my opinion is biased because I'm such a DH fan, but I love Don first for his singing and songwriting. Everything else is secondary.

I think most of us would agree that Don is a gifted lyricist. I'd go so far as to say he's underrated. In lists of great songwriters, he (and Glenn) seem to place rather low, which always surprises me. I've always been interested in words, books, writing and stories, and Don's lyrics have always stood out in my mind as poetry. He also is blessed with a lovely voice, and in his prime had a great singing range. After the Eagles broke up, he was smart enough to hire/collaborate with talented musicians to keep the music part of the songs at a high level. Anyway, I know commercial success is what counts, but it's the quality of his lyrics and vocals that to me makes it hard to ignore him for the Hall of Fame.

RudieCantFail
01-28-2018, 08:39 PM
Gosh, I'm dense. I had no idea Ringo was inducted, and I had no idea that he had a successful solo career. Since that's the case, then I would have no problem with Don being inducted. Unfortunately, I'm unsure with Glenn, since his albums did not sell as well and did not have the visibility. I wouldn't mind Glenn being inducted later. I could see Joe being inducted later too, but sooner than Glenn.

If Don gets inducted, it would be kinda cool to see Stevie Nicks be inducted in the same year too.

As tm2 has indicated, the R&RHOF is a bit sketchy to me as well. But it is fun to see artists that you like to be honored in any capacity.

sodascouts
01-28-2018, 09:52 PM
Although I don’t agree with Freypower’s assessment at all, I do agree that she may be on to something about the ‘hip’ thing being an important factor for Jann Wenner, which is unfortunate. I think this attitude has permeated pop culture and is one reason that Joe may be perceived as having such a successful solo career. The fact of the matter is that, although very 'hip', Joe never had a Top 10 solo hit and had only four Top 40 hits – the highest of which reached #12 (LBG). To his credit, he definitely was the most prolific solo Eagle in terms of output though. However, I’ve personally never been one to value quantity over quality.
Yeah, I can see Joe being inducted solo first due to the "hip" factor, and I agree that also probably informs the misconception that Joe had a more commercially successful solo career.

I also agree with NMB that the honor depends way too much on how much Wenner likes you! It doesn't matter how much you deserve it if you've ticked him off.

eaglesfan
01-29-2018, 12:28 AM
Are people actually comparing Glenn Frey's solo work to Don Henley's??

Frey had a handful of top 40 hits, but songs like The Heat is On and You Belong to the City, while successful commercially, are HURTING, not helping his HOF candidacy.

Right Said Fred had a hit with "I'm too Sexy for My Shirt", but that's not helping their case.

I'm not comparing Frey with Right Said Fred as artists. But top 40 hits need to be taken into context.

Henley is a borderline case for the HOF, but he had songs like EOI, BOS, LWE, HOTM, Dirty Laundry...on and on...but don't embarrass Glenn Frey's legacy comparing his solo stuff to Henley's. That's insane.

RudieCantFail
01-29-2018, 01:00 AM
I'm confused on how they let Pearl Jam in, unless I'm dense once again. Like, were they super popular outside of their first album, "Ten?" Or is their longevity one of the contributing factors. Is there even a metric for these inductees? Like, some artists are a no-brainer to induct, but at a certain point, they're going to be kind of searching or looking back into the past really hard.

sodascouts
01-29-2018, 01:09 AM
Are people actually comparing Glenn Frey's solo work to Don Henley's???

Frey had a handful of top 40 hits, but songs like The Heat is On and You Belong to the City, while successful commercially, are HURTING, not helping his HOF candidacy.

Right Said Fred had a hit with "I'm too Sexy for My Shirt", but that's not helping their case.

I'm not comparing Frey with Right Said Fred as artists. But top 40 hits need to be taken into context.

Henley is a borderline case for the HOF, but he had songs like EOI, BOS, LWE, HOTM, Dirty Laundry...on and on...but don't embarrass Glenn Frey's legacy comparing his solo stuff to Henley's. That's insane.

Wow. Calm down.

It is true some have dared to presume to speak of Don and Glenn's solo careers in the same breath.

However, never fear. Don has not been diminished in any way. Everyone has been saying he was the most successful Eagle overall, and that he should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. His worthiness has not been questioned.

It's unfortunate that for some, it is not good enough to say "Don deserves it." They have to add, "And Glenn DOESN'T!!! He's nothing compared to DON!!!"

How much of Glenn's solo work have you actually listened to? It seems you are basing your assessment of his entire catalog on two songs. His solo work extends far beyond those, and his legacy is safe.

groupie2686
01-29-2018, 11:31 AM
Yeah, I can see Joe being inducted solo first due to the "hip" factor, and I agree that also probably informs the misconception that Joe had a more commercially successful solo career.

I also agree with NMB that the honor depends way too much on how much Wenner likes you! It doesn't matter how much you deserve it if you've ticked him off.

I'm not sure how much this depends on what is "hip" or closeness with Jann Wenner. The Dave Clark Five were inducted and while I like them a lot, I wouldn't call them "hip" by any means. I also doubt they had anything to do with Jann Wenner. Most of the band members had nothing to do with the music industry after the band ended in 1969; only one member attempted a solo career and that wasn't successful. Dave Clark is practically a recluse and has done very little to keep his band's name alive. He has the rights to the band's masters and hasn't made the band's albums available since the 60s. He released greatest hits albums sporadically, all out of print now. It seemed to me that they were inducted more because of their impact on pop culture during the British Invasion, than for their record sales (although they did do well in their day) or musical talent.

Sorry for the digression there. I would like to think induction into the RRHOF has more to do with record sales and popularity with Jann Wenner, but you're all probably right. I think Henley may be inducted, with time, but I wouldn't expect it any time soon.

UndertheWire
01-29-2018, 11:39 AM
I'm shocked that Phil Collins hasn't been inducted as for me, his music defines the 80s.

To state the obvious, whether Don gets inducted for his solo career should be decided without consideration of Glenn, Joe or any other Eagle.

I'm not really in a position to judge - I had no idea Don had a solo career until about 5 years ago. Was he really a big name in the US?

I accept that Don's career seems to be generally more highly regarded than Glenn's and that's not going to change. It doesn't matter to me. I enjoy Glenn's solo work more than Don's but I don't look to music for social comment or literary allusions.

New Kid In Town
01-29-2018, 11:56 AM
Hi UTW - How are you - good to see you back ! :-)
I always loved Phil Collins and I think he also defined the 80's. It seemed that Miami Vice played one of his songs almost every show. He also had some big movie tracks too. I think both he and MV defined the 80's. He should be in the R&RHOF too.

Like I said before, I think Don should be in but, there are other artists who had huge solo careers and are not in. Don was really big in the 80's, especially with the success of EOTI. He got a lot of MTV play. Nothing screams the 1980's like MTV(which I used to love to watch back then).

buffyfan145
01-29-2018, 12:05 PM
I'm confused on how they let Pearl Jam in, unless I'm dense once again. Like, were they super popular outside of their first album, "Ten?" Or is their longevity one of the contributing factors. Is there even a metric for these inductees? Like, some artists are a no-brainer to induct, but at a certain point, they're going to be kind of searching or looking back into the past really hard.

Pearl Jam is still really successful and has had many other hit songs and albums since their first. They're still one of the most popular alt-rock groups and such an influence for so many in that genre and others. I'm hoping to finally see them in concert soon too. They're also pretty much the last of the grunge era still active unless you count the Foo Fighters but that was a bit later.

Back to Don, Glenn, and Joe I too feel it probably will come done to more culturally popular and Don would get it and Joe has a case too but sadly I don't think Glenn does even with his hit songs.

FreyFollower
01-29-2018, 05:33 PM
I enjoy Glenn's solo work more than Don's but I don't look to music for social comment or literary allusions.
To me, how an act has shown to have impacted music, and/or how it continues to resonate with people over time should be considered when choosing Hall of Fame and similar awards.
I think making millions of people happy and bringing joy to their lives with a song is often dismissed in favor of "important" and "cerebral" musical artists. Timeless songs of the human experience can be enjoyed generations from now. "Cause of the Month" songs, not so much, IMO. But not being "cool"or "serious" seems to have kept many a very popular artist from receiving important awards.
Accolades are not how I choose music, anyway.

Scarlet Sun
01-29-2018, 11:03 PM
Joe's solo career was big too. People might not know Funk 49 or Walk Away but I don't know anybody who doesn't know Rocky Mountain Way or Life's Been Good.


The fact of the matter is that, although very 'hip', Joe never had a Top 10 solo hit and had only four Top 40 hits – the highest of which reached #12 (LBG).

Jimmy Fox and Dale Peters say "hello"

Ive always been a dreamer
01-30-2018, 12:33 PM
SS - Forgive me for being dense, but I'm not sure exactly what point you were trying to make with your post. But to clarify my comment that you quoted, I was talking about Joe's solo career only, not his James Gang or Eagles work. However, according to Wikipedia, the James Gang was only moderately successful, which I agree about - they never even had a Top 40 single. Another example about how public perceptions can be swayed by the 'hipness' factor, I guess.

To me, the biggest problem the R&R HOF induction process is that it is so subjective and they don't clearly define their eligibility requirements. The criteria for an artist is defined as follows:

Artists—a group encompassing performers, composers and/or musicians—become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first commercial recording. Besides demonstrating unquestionable musical excellence and talent, inductees will have had a significant impact on the development, evolution and preservation of rock & roll.

Here are a couple of interesting links about the process:

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/Induction_Criteria.php

http://www.futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/Terry_Stewart_explains_the_process.html

WalshFan88
01-30-2018, 10:03 PM
Jimmy Fox and Dale Peters say "hello"

Not sure what you are trying to say, perhaps try being more specific.

Still, the point stands firmly most people have heard and would know of RMW and LBG if you referenced them and not everyone heard the James Gang stuff.

WalshFan88
01-30-2018, 10:12 PM
It's unfortunate that for some, it is not good enough to say "Don deserves it." They have to add, "And Glenn DOESN'T!!! He's nothing compared to DON!!!"


This is very true. I feel sorry for those people. They need to take a listen to Glenn's solo works and not just base him off of THIO or YBTTC or SB.

The fact is, Glenn held his own with Don in every regard. People that always cheered louder for Don than they did for Glenn during the introduction at Eagles concerts really bothered me. Without Glenn asking Don, and the fact Glenn was the bandleader, they wouldn't be there. Glenn was every bit as good a singer and songwriter as Don. Anyone who tries to dismiss that is viewing it with rose colored glasses, IMO. I felt that they were lucky they had two equally great vocalists.

YoungEaglesFan
01-30-2018, 10:29 PM
This is very true. I feel sorry for those people. They need to take a listen to Glenn's solo works and not just base him off of THIO or YBTTC or SB.

The fact is, Glenn held his own with Don in every regard. People that always cheered louder for Don than they did for Glenn during the introduction at Eagles concerts really bothered me. Without Glenn asking Don, and the fact Glenn was the bandleader, they wouldn't be there. Glenn was every bit as good a singer and songwriter as Don. Anyone who tries to dismiss that is viewing it with rose colored glasses, IMO. I felt that they were lucky they had two equally great vocalists.

I personally would hold both in equal terms but most casual fans usually prefer the songs don sings to Glenn’s. Don was more out there, as people have been saying “more hip” etc. many people don’t know the full story of the eagles, and people are allowed to believe Don is better than Glenn and vice versa. I have a healthy apprection of both solo careers but I don’t think it’s a concrete fact that they are equal. Some people disagree and maybe they are wrong but I don’t think it’s fair to criticize those who believe one is better if you know what I mean

Freypower
01-30-2018, 10:51 PM
I personally would hold both in equal terms but most casual fans usually prefer the songs don sings to Glenn’s. Don was more out there, as people have been saying “more hip” etc. many people don’t know the full story of the eagles, and people are allowed to believe Don is better than Glenn and vice versa. I have a healthy apprection of both solo careers but I don’t think it’s a concrete fact that they are equal. Some people disagree and maybe they are wrong but I don’t think it’s fair to criticize those who believe one is better if you know what I mean

This is a huge generalisation. You can say that you think this, but that does not make it true.

My own view is that Don had a more successful solo career than Glenn. This is not how I feel about their respective solo work.

It is not a question of saying that people are not allowed to think Don was 'better' or preferred his music or whatever. It is about the casual dismissal of Glenn's work by so many people, whether 'fans' or critics.

YoungEaglesFan
01-31-2018, 12:05 AM
This is a huge generalisation. You can say that you think this, but that does not make it true.

My own view is that Don had a more successful solo career than Glenn. This is not how I feel about their respective solo work.

It is not a question of saying that people are not allowed to think Don was 'better' or preferred his music or whatever. It is about the casual dismissal of Glenn's work by so many people, whether 'fans' or critics.

I think that in the later part of the band, Which is the more popular part of the band history, Don Henley dominated the band for better or worse. And because of that many people associate that era with don. This is what I believe. Obviously I can be wrong and generalizations don’t cover everyone as well but I think it’s safe to associate the more popular part of the band with Don Henley. (I am not saying they did better because of don but rather he just happened to take the lead during that time). I don’t think people who go to eagles concerts dismiss Glenn’s work towards the band but a lot of times they have their preferences. I’m not sure when I say something it gets mistaken as me asserting it’s fact. I don’t know more than anyone else here, it’s just my opinion

WalshFan88
01-31-2018, 12:37 AM
I personally would hold both in equal terms but most casual fans usually prefer the songs don sings to Glenn’s. Don was more out there, as people have been saying “more hip” etc. many people don’t know the full story of the eagles, and people are allowed to believe Don is better than Glenn and vice versa. I have a healthy apprection of both solo careers but I don’t think it’s a concrete fact that they are equal. Some people disagree and maybe they are wrong but I don’t think it’s fair to criticize those who believe one is better if you know what I mean

Agree to disagree.

New Kid In Town
01-31-2018, 12:41 AM
This is a huge generalisation. You can say that you think this, but that does not make it true.
My own view is that Don had a more successful solo career than Glenn. This is not how I feel about their respective solo work.
It is not a question of saying that people are not allowed to think Don was 'better' or preferred his music or whatever. It is about the casual dismissal of Glenn's work by so many people, whether 'fans' or critics.

FP - I agree with what you are saying. However, truth be told, I don't think Glenn helped himself. In numerous interviews(print/tv) Glenn went on and on about the talents of Don Henley while minimizing his own talents. He would make jokes about his talent while stating Don was the voice of the Eagles and praising Don's solo career. He let Don become the voice of the Eagles. He stated it in the HOTE, which was watched by millions of people world wide. Glenn's work was not as "serious" as Don's. People tend to dismiss Glenn's career because he often dismissed it himself. I can't tell you how many you tube commentators say Glenn was the least talented member of the Eagles and that he had said that himself. I loved Glenn and think he was just as talented as Don but I am not sure if he thought that himself.

WF - Well said !

YoungEaglesFan
01-31-2018, 12:50 AM
Agree to disagree.

Fair enough. I apologize for coming off agresssive

Freypower
01-31-2018, 12:53 AM
I think that in the later part of the band, Which is the more popular part of the band history, Don Henley dominated the band for better or worse. And because of that many people associate that era with don. This is what I believe. Obviously I can be wrong and generalizations don’t cover everyone as well but I think it’s safe to associate the more popular part of the band with Don Henley. (I am not saying they did better because of don but rather he just happened to take the lead during that time). I don’t think people who go to eagles concerts dismiss Glenn’s work towards the band but a lot of times they have their preferences. I’m not sure when I say something it gets mistaken as me asserting it’s fact. I don’t know more than anyone else here, it’s just my opinion

Your statement was 'most casual fans usually prefer the songs Don sings to Glenn's. You stated that as fact, not opinion.

Also this topic is supposed to be about their solo careers, not their Eagles work. You've now turned it right around where it's become about the Eagles.

Freypower
01-31-2018, 12:56 AM
FP - I agree with what you are saying. However, truth be told, I don't think Glenn helped himself. In numerous interviews(print/tv) Glenn went on and on about the talents of Don Henley while minimizing his own talents. He would make jokes about his talent while stating Don was the voice of the Eagles and praising Don's solo career. He let Don become the voice of the Eagles. He stated it in the HOTE, which was watched by millions of people world wide. Glenn's work was not as "serious" as Don's. People tend to dismiss Glenn's career because he often dismissed it himself. I can't tell you how many you tube commentators say Glenn was the least talented member of the Eagles and that he had said that himself. I loved Glenn and think he was just as talented as Don but I am not sure if he thought that himself.

WF - Well said !

'I sang less. We had Don Henley'.

Possibly the saddest thing he ever said, and now it's me taking it off topic, when it was supposed originally to be about whether Don should be in the HOF. Apologies.

New Kid In Town
01-31-2018, 01:01 AM
'I sang less. We had Don Henley'.

Possibly the saddest thing he ever said, and now it's me taking it off topic, when it was supposed originally to be about whether Don should be in the HOF. Apologies.

I totally agree. I also apologize for getting off track.

YoungEaglesFan
01-31-2018, 01:20 AM
I apologize for starting an off topic string of comments.

BerniesSurfboard
02-01-2018, 03:36 AM
I believe Don deserves to be in it. I've always felt he had a similar career trajectory as Peter Gabriel.

Freypower
02-01-2018, 06:27 PM
I believe Don deserves to be in it. I've always felt he had a similar career trajectory as Peter Gabriel.

In what way? I will offer some thoughts.

The work of both men purported to be 'edgier' and more 'socially conscious' than their former bands. (I would argue that Peter was far superior to Don in this regard but this is not the place to compare the music on a specific level). Don achieved massive commercial success somewhat earlier than Peter, who was more of a cult figure until the So album. Both of them spent a great deal of time championing various causes - in Peter's case world music & Amnesty.

Peter never returned to Genesis & never plays Genesis songs in concert. Don returned to the Eagles & stayed with them. He ended up playing it safe if you want to put it that way. He aslo veered over to the conservative world of country music.

You will never, ever, see Peter Gabriel fronting something calling itself 'Genesis' where he was the only original member. He isn't that visiible these days - he is very picky about choosing his projects, which is very frustrating for his fans. If a Geneis reunion occurs (and there have been vague rumblings after some comments by Tony Banks) Gabriel will not be part of it.

Delilah
02-01-2018, 07:34 PM
In what way? I will offer some thoughts.

You will never, ever, see Peter Gabriel fronting something calling itself 'Genesis' where he was the only original member. He isn't that visiible these days - he is very picky about choosing his projects, which is very frustrating for his fans. If a Geneis reunion occurs (and there have been vague rumblings after some comments by Tony Banks) Gabriel will not be part of it.

Didn’t Peter Gabriel leave Genesis more than 40 years ago? I believe there are a significant number of Genesis fans who identify the band with Phil Collins and not Peter Gabriel so much. I may be wrong but Genesis probably sold a whole lot more albums when Collins was the lead singer. To me, it would seem odd or even pointless for Genesis to reunite with Gabriel as the only original member. It’s a completely different scenario from the Eagles continuing on with Henley as the only original member. Don was always part of the band while it was a functioning entity and was an integral part of the Eagles’ biggest-selling albums.

Back to the poll, I’m surprised there aren’t more votes. Maybe I should have included an option “don’t care.” :mrgreen:

I also figured there would be a couple of “no” votes due to doubts on how influential Henley’s music has been.

Freypower
02-01-2018, 07:45 PM
Didn’t Peter Gabriel leave Genesis more than 40 years ago? I believe there are a significant number of Genesis fans who identify the band with Phil Collins and not Peter Gabriel so much. I may be wrong but Genesis probably sold a whole lot more albums when Collins was the lead singer. To me, it would seem odd or even pointless for Genesis to reunite with Gabriel as the only original member. It’s a completely different scenario from the Eagles continuing on with Henley as the only original member. Don was always part of the band while it was a functioning entity and was an integral part of the Eagles’ biggest-selling albums.

Back to the poll, I’m surprised there aren’t more votes. Maybe I should have included an option “don’t care.” :mrgreen:

I also figured there would be a couple of “no” votes due to doubts on how influential Henley’s music has been.


You would be surprised how many people who claim to be Genesis fans never accepted Genesis without Gabriel. It probably is not a good analogy & not relevant to the topic of whether Henley deserves to be inducted. I can't let my own personal preference for Gabriel's work allow me to make further comment other than what I said above, except that in my view his solo music has been more influential world wide than Henley's has.