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BillBailey1976
02-20-2018, 04:29 PM
With the last couple rounds of added shows, it looks like the band is embarking on a rather ambitious (especially considering their ages) tour in 2018.
It has snowballed over the last few months. I did a bit of research to compare it with other tours
08 - 53 dates
09 - 51 dates
10 - 54 dates
13 - 48 dates
14 - 60 dates
15 - 38 dates

2018 -52 dates so far.

WalshFan88
02-21-2018, 01:43 AM
I feel sorry for those that never got to experience the real band and who are basing the band negatively OR positively based on these "Eagles lite" shows. :(

WKMB55
02-21-2018, 03:03 AM
I haven't been to any of their concerts since Glenn's passing so I am hesitant to pass judgement on the quality of their performance after only watching a few videos taken by cell phones and posted on youtube. Talking only about life in general and not this tour.....as long as people of any age aren't doing anything illegal I am always happy to see them fully engaged in living life as opposed to the alternative of just sitting back and waiting to die. Don, Joe and Timothy with Vince and Deacon will be at 4 venues all within 150 miles or less from my home. I could attend all 4 if I wanted, but I haven't decided whether I will be going or not.

Dawn
02-21-2018, 10:59 AM
I feel sorry for those that never got to experience the real band and who are basing the band negatively OR positively based on these "Eagles lite" shows. :(

I do too.

"Accept no substitutes" - Don Henley

chaim
02-21-2018, 02:15 PM
So the band will "die and fade into history" a few years from now when they really can't tour anymore.

EDIT:

Looks like the post I was reacting to here has disappeared.

YoungEaglesFan
02-21-2018, 02:16 PM
Though I’ve made my feelings clear on this issue and I feel strongly about the topic, I think we should try to move the discussion to another thread

Ive always been a dreamer
02-21-2018, 02:21 PM
I can't say I feel sorry for those who go to a show now. If they go, it is by choice because they want to see this rendition of the band. However, I do agree that they will not see the version of the band that recorded most of these songs regardless of what spin Don Henley and others may try to put on it. They are accepting substitutes, but if those who go are aware of this and are cool with it, then I'm sure they will go and have a good time.

travlnman2
02-21-2018, 02:26 PM
I can't say I feel sorry for those who go to a show now. If they go, it is by choice because they want to see this rendition of the band. However, I do agree that they will not see the version of the band that recorded most of these songs regardless of what spin Don Henley and others may try to put on it. They are accepting substitutes, but if those who go are aware of this and are cool with it, then I'm sure they will go and have a good time.

This ^^. Most people know that Vince Gill and Deacon never recorded with the Eagles.


Deacon is the Eagles Jason Bonham IMO. I don't recall anyone ever having a problem with Jason performing with Zeppelin in 07. Or I just wasn't on the internet than :D.

I want to see the band because I wan't to see them play the songs I love live. I never had the chance. Most people are probably the same way.

Saying someone feels sorry just comes off as superior and rude

The band has had so many different version's that the only way to see the band that recorded the songs are to have a tour with everyone who was ever in the band. Never will happen.

travlnman2
02-21-2018, 02:27 PM
Though I’ve made my feelings clear on this issue and I feel strongly about the topic, I think we should try to move the discussion to another thread


There are so many threads for that :lol:

chaim
02-21-2018, 02:35 PM
I don't mind people enjoying the shows. I don't even think about the current activities anymore. I just don't get why Don & the boys should suddenly start touring feverously in 2017-2018 so that the band wouldn't sink into oblivion. I'll try not to make further comments in this thread, which was meant to be a positive one.

EDIT:

Looks like the post I was replying to here (without quoting it) has disappeared.

Delilah
02-21-2018, 03:02 PM
Though I’ve made my feelings clear on this issue and I feel strongly about the topic, I think we should try to move the discussion to another thread

It’s not my call but I agree it makes sense this be moved to the other thread.


However, I do agree that they will not see the version of the band that recorded most of these songs regardless of what spin Don Henley and others may try to put on it. They are accepting substitutes, but if those who go are aware of this and are cool with it, then I'm sure they will go and have a good time.

That hasn’t happened since HFO, when about 60% of the non-solo setlist were performed by a version that “originally” recorded the songs. And that’s going by songs with Felder on the original recordings. The percentage falls to 30% if Timothy is taken into account.

People readily accepted Smith as a substitute and I doubt anyone felt sorry for them.

Delilah
02-21-2018, 03:16 PM
I just don't get why Don & the boys should suddenly start touring feverously in 2017-2018 so that the band wouldn't sink into oblivion.

I don’t believe that’s the main reason why they are touring. IMO they are touring primarily b/c they are musicians and performing is what they do. And they enjoy performing these songs as a group on the same stage. Off-stage they may not have much to do with each other. If they hated performing together there wouldn’t be enough $ to make them do it; they are rich already.


I'll try not to make further comments in this thread, which was meant to be a positive one.

If this was meant to be a positive thread, why wasn’t the comment posted on the thread that already exists (the 2018 North American tour which touched on the subject of the #of shows)?

The OP can clarify but it appears the topic was meant to renew debate about the new line-up’s tour.

Dawn
02-21-2018, 04:24 PM
I think they are trying to do as many concerts as they can to make as much money as they can while they can.

Not to be negative, just stating what appears to me to be the obvious.

WKMB55
02-21-2018, 04:35 PM
Well said Dreamer. I hope everyone who chooses to go has a great time.
I think all of us are aware that the time comes when we will fade into oblivion and become irrelevant. I don't have any problem with that, its a part of life. What I think is unbelievable and mean spirited is there might be some people (I'm not talking specifically about this site) that are wishing for that to happen to Don, Joe and Timothy sooner rather than later.

Freypower
02-21-2018, 05:48 PM
This ^^. Most people know that Vince Gill and Deacon never recorded with the Eagles.


Deacon is the Eagles Jason Bonham IMO. I don't recall anyone ever having a problem with Jason performing with Zeppelin in 07. Or I just wasn't on the internet than :D.

I want to see the band because I wan't to see them play the songs I love live. I never had the chance. Most people are probably the same way.

Saying someone feels sorry just comes off as superior and rude

The band has had so many different version's that the only way to see the band that recorded the songs are to have a tour with everyone who was ever in the band. Never will happen.

Feeling sorry for people who didn't see the band with Glenn, never mind which version, is legitimate & should not be dismissed as 'rude'. However if people wish to see it their choice should be respected, that's true.

THere is no comparison between Jason Bonham & Deacon Frey because Jason didn't sing any songs and it was a one off show, not a tour. They are the sons of the deceased members, that's all. Regarding Steuart Smith, he was never paraded around as a member of the Eagles. He never got his photo plastered all over websites. He was & still is a backing musician.

As for all the 'they're doing it because they love it & they don't want to fade away' stuff.... they could have continued their solo careers & I would not have had a problem.

However please note that I do not wish to have any arguments. I understand that once again, the naysayers such as myself are being asked to refrain from posting in threads like this. We do our best. It's going to be very difficult when this tour begins.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-21-2018, 08:51 PM
First of all, I have to agree with Delilah that it appears this thread was started to renew the debate about the upcoming tour since pro and con threads already exist, but maybe BB can clarify. So, IMO, moving these posts to other threads is not a satisfactory solution. Certainly nothing new has come up recently that changes the discussion to my knowledge so everything here is bound to be a rehash of the same ole, same ole. But, if members want to participate, I guess circular discussion is fine as long as everyone remains civil and respectful.

To respond to some remarks that have been made, I don’t want to speak for WalshFan, but I doubt that he intended his post to be rude. To be fair, I mischaracterized his post because he didn’t say that he felt sorry for those who go to a show now. I can understand about feeling bad for those who never had the opportunity to see the ‘real’ Eagles with Glenn because, as most seem to agree, including even Don, the current lineup is not the same band. As has been stated in other threads, for those that are only interested in seeing the songs performed live, one option is, save yourself a lot of money and go see a tribute band. There are actually quite a few excellent ones out there. But, if you want to see this particular lineup with Deacon and Vince Gill, then certainly go for it and enjoy yourself.

And Delilah, I know you feel that the band hasn’t really been legitimate since Bernie, Randy, and Felder departed and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I respectfully disagree and, honestly, I feel the majority of fans had no problem with the band continuing at any point after losing these men. As far as HFO, I believe fans were elated at the news that the band was reuniting and there wasn’t hardly any backlash about the lineup in the fandom that I am aware of. I’ve said before that if you believe losing Glenn was equivalent to losing the others, then nothing I say will convince you otherwise. But, suffice it to say when Leadon, Meisner, and Felder departed, you never heard fans and the band members, collectively or individually, declare that the band was over. With all due respect, IMO, they were right then - it was different with Glenn because he was essential to the Eagles.

travlnman2
02-21-2018, 09:29 PM
Feeling sorry for people who didn't see the band with Glenn, never mind which version, is legitimate & should not be dismissed as 'rude'. However if people wish to see it their choice should be respected, that's true.

THere is no comparison between Jason Bonham & Deacon Frey because Jason didn't sing any songs and it was a one off show, not a tour. They are the sons of the deceased members, that's all. Regarding Steuart Smith, he was never paraded around as a member of the Eagles. He never got his photo plastered all over websites. He was & still is a backing musician.

As for all the 'they're doing it because they love it & they don't want to fade away' stuff.... they could have continued their solo careers & I would not have had a problem.

However please note that I do not wish to have any arguments. I understand that once again, the naysayers such as myself are being asked to refrain from posting in threads like this. We do our best. It's going to be very difficult when this tour begins.

He is credited as a band member in the Celebration day movie. He also performed in the 1980s and 90s reunions. He also has his own band that plays only Zeppelin Music.,

WalshFan88
02-21-2018, 09:53 PM
To respond to some remarks that have been made, I don’t want to speak for WalshFan, but I doubt that he intended his post to be rude. To be fair, I mischaracterized his post because he didn’t say that he felt sorry for those who go to a show now. I can understand about feeling bad for those who never had the opportunity to see the ‘real’ Eagles with Glenn because, as most seem to agree, including even Don, the current lineup is not the same band. As has been stated in other threads, for those that are only interested in seeing the songs performed live, one option is, save yourself a lot of money and go see a tribute band. There are actually quite a few excellent ones out there. But, if you want to see this particular lineup with Deacon and Vince Gill, then certainly go for it and enjoy yourself.


Absolutely right on Dreamer. It wasn't at all "superior" or even remotely "one upping" anyone. I was taken aback by TM's comments. Trust me, if I had a magic ball and could make it so everyone here could have seen them with Glenn, then I would. It isn't and shouldn't be some exclusive elite club where I feel better than those who didn't see them. I truly feel bad for those that for whatever the reason couldn't see the real Eagles - with Glenn. If people don't care and want to go to the new band or they couldn't get there and are going to see what they can while they can, no ill feelings from me on that. I just wish they could have seen Glenn and the guys together at least once. I only saw them twice, but I wish I could have given one of those experiences to someone else because I think it was a special thing. I cherish it.

Freypower
02-21-2018, 09:54 PM
He is credited as a band member in the Celebration day movie. He also performed in the 1980s and 90s reunions. He also has his own band that plays only Zeppelin Music.,

I am actually going to see Jason's Led Zeppelin Experience in May. That is not relevant to whether he was credited as a member of his father's band or not. There are many interviews and photos of them from 2007 where only Plant, Page & Jones appeared in the photos. In any case, the Led Zeppelin reunions were all one offs. They never did a tour like the 'Eagles'. They never reformed on a full time basis.

WalshFan88
02-21-2018, 10:01 PM
I totally don't get the Jason Bonham/Deacon Frey comparison. The only thing in common is that they stood in for their dad after his death.

John Bonham and Glenn Frey aren't not on the same level of importance to the band. Let me just say that right off the get go. They just aren't.

Glenn was the founder, co-leader, and songwriter of the Eagles. The driving force. He was not just another musician or band member. Not to say John Bonham wasn't great - one of the best drummers. And look, even with all that said, other than a one off reunion, that was it.

Can you imagine if it was Robert Plant that had passed and Page, Jones, and Bonham did what the guys are doing now? It wouldn't be Led Zeppelin. But even though he was just their drummer, they realized it wouldn't be right to continue it. Now take someone of Glenn's importance. It should be even more significant than Bonham's death ending the band. But no, they are going on as a caricature of what they used to be.

So no, I don't think it's a good comparison at all.

chaim
02-21-2018, 11:22 PM
I don’t believe that’s the main reason why they are touring. IMO they are touring primarily b/c they are musicians and performing is what they do. And they enjoy performing these songs as a group on the same stage. Off-stage they may not have much to do with each other. If they hated performing together there wouldn’t be enough $ to make them do it; they are rich already.



If this was meant to be a positive thread, why wasn’t the comment posted on the thread that already exists (the 2018 North American tour which touched on the subject of the #of shows)?

The OP can clarify but it appears the topic was meant to renew debate about the new line-up’s tour.

I was replying to another poster's comment with the first part you quoted. I should have quoted the post to make it clear. Looks like the post has now disappeared.

MaryCalifornia
02-22-2018, 03:45 AM
for those that are only interested in seeing the songs performed live, one option is, save yourself a lot of money and go see a tribute band. There are actually quite a few excellent ones out there. .

The better option, if you want to experience Don Henley singing Don Henley-lead vocal Eagles songs, Timothy B. Schmit singing Tim-lead vocal Eagles songs, and Joe Wals singing Joe-lead Eagles and solo songs, is to go see this lineup of the Eagles when they go on tour next month. Right? I think it’s so disrespectful to these guys to insinuate that a tribute band is comparable or an option.

UndertheWire
02-22-2018, 08:11 AM
I feel sorry for anyone who didn't see the group in their original form, and that includes me.

It looks like 2018 will be very busy and fits with an observation by Marc Eliot (in the article he wrote immediately after Glenn died) that Don Henley had said he would have liked to tour a lot more. I've also seen something about Joe finding life easier when he was touring (this may have been in his dark days). Obviously, they could all tour as solo artists but they've always said that that's a lot harder than being part of a band where you share leads.

I don't see the suggestion of seeing a tribute band as disrespectful. I liked being able to hear the songs up close in a smaller venue. Of course, I'd have preferred to see the real deal under similar conditions but it compared quite favourably with sitting far away in a large venue.

maryc2130
02-22-2018, 08:51 AM
The better option, if you want to experience Don Henley singing Don Henley-lead vocal Eagles songs, Timothy B. Schmit singing Tim-lead vocal Eagles songs, and Joe Wals singing Joe-lead Eagles and solo songs, is to go see this lineup of the Eagles when they go on tour next month. Right? I think it’s so disrespectful to these guys to insinuate that a tribute band is comparable or an option.

Agreed. It's one thing to say they're not the same without Glenn, and quite another to say that a tribute band would be better than 3 Eagles plus other talented musicians.

But we've debated all this endlessly. I thought we weren't going to rain on other people's excitement over the new lineup. It's disappointing to see how many of the responses (including the first one) are pretty much just insulting Eagles 3.0.

To address the original topic, I'm surprised they've booked so many shows, especially when some of their voices seemed a little worn after a not-nearly-as-busy schedule last year, even when counting solo shows. I guess time will tell how well their voices hold up.

travlnman2
02-22-2018, 11:59 AM
I totally don't get the Jason Bonham/Deacon Frey comparison. The only thing in common is that they stood in for their dad after his death.

John Bonham and Glenn Frey aren't not on the same level of importance to the band. Let me just say that right off the get go. They just aren't.

Glenn was the founder, co-leader, and songwriter of the Eagles. The driving force. He was not just another musician or band member. Not to say John Bonham wasn't great - one of the best drummers. And look, even with all that said, other than a one off reunion, that was it.

Can you imagine if it was Robert Plant that had passed and Page, Jones, and Bonham did what the guys are doing now? It wouldn't be Led Zeppelin. But even though he was just their drummer, they realized it wouldn't be right to continue it. Now take someone of Glenn's importance. It should be even more significant than Bonham's death ending the band. But no, they are going on as a caricature of what they used to be.

So no, I don't think it's a good comparison at all.

I guess you casual forgot the reunions of the 80s and 90s. Funny how you leave that out.

John Bonham is the most legendary drummer ever. He is part of what made Zepplin grate. That is why they broke up after his death. He set the whole drum sound of the 1980s and is as important as Robert Plant and Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones. Saying that John Bonham was not an important member of Zepplin is an insult to him and Led Zeppelin

Can you imagine if AC/DC replaced Bon Scott? Oh wait...What I ment to say is how in the world can they replace Brian Johnson? No way in hell can they find someone other the Brian Johnson? Oh thats right because they have Axl “freaking” Rose singing his :censored: off.


See I can do that to

Delilah
02-22-2018, 01:41 PM
I was replying to another poster's comment with the first part you quoted. I should have quoted the post to make it clear. Looks like the post has now disappeared.

Yes, I missed the context of your post, sorry about that.



And Delilah, I know you feel that the band hasn’t really been legitimate since Bernie, Randy, and Felder departed and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, I respectfully disagree and, honestly, I feel the majority of fans had no problem with the band continuing at any point after losing these men. As far as HFO, I believe fans were elated at the news that the band was reuniting and there wasn’t hardly any backlash about the lineup in the fandom that I am aware of. I’ve said before that if you believe losing Glenn was equivalent to losing the others, then nothing I say will convince you otherwise. But, suffice it to say when Leadon, Meisner, and Felder departed, you never heard fans and the band members, collectively or individually, declare that the band was over. With all due respect, IMO, they were right then - it was different with Glenn because he was essential to the Eagles.

I agree that most fans during the pre-Wiki/pre-google era probably didn’t care about line-up changes, if they were aware of them at all. Just seeing Henley, Frey and Walsh (the most recognizable members from the 80s) was probably enough for excited fans during HFO, especially.

For the record, I don’t believe losing Glenn is equivalent to losing the other 3. I recognize and appreciate the impact of Glenn’s role in the band. I’ve said it before that the band isn’t the same without him and never will be.

However I do take issue with the notion that the loss of Glenn completely wrecks the legitimacy and/or authenticity of the band, as if that authenticity had been intact all along. And therefore fans who have seen or plan to see a Glenn-less “inauthentic” Eagles are different from those who saw a less than authentic version of the band with Glenn.

The band may have churned along just fine without the other 3 but that doesn’t transform the Final 4 line-up into something it is not. The fact is that line-up does not reflect the version that recorded most of the songs on the typical setlist. So I don’t see that as a valid argument for why its wrong for fans to go see the current line-up (and I’m not saying it’s you necessarily making all these claims, I’m speaking generally about what I’ve come across on this board).

Finally, this generation of music-lovers is the most informed ever in the era of popular music, thanks to the internet and social media, which wasn’t around in the past to gauge how fans felt about the absence of some band members. Interesting that in the current backlash, the most common criticism seems to be that Henley is now the only original member. At any rate, I suspect there were many fans who missed Felder over the last couple of decades, but they attended and enjoyed the concerts anyway. And now, many of us will miss Glenn and regret his absence, but as last summer showed from concert attendance, reviews and social media, fans still attended and managed to enjoy the concerts, thanks to Don H, Joe and Timothy, plus Vince and Deacon, who are also very talented and have much to offer.

Dawn
02-22-2018, 02:36 PM
Don Henley described the HOTE tour as "intense". Frankly, I think that is a gross understatement.

Second, as much as they might like recording and touring SOLO it is no where near as profitable as being in the Eagles. It is also considerably more work and pressure.

I have lost track of how many times Don Henley has proclaimed this or that Eagles concert could be the last.

I suppose that is part of their marketing strategy. Who knows. All I know for certain is for me, without Glenn Frey in the lineup this is not the Eagles.

travlnman2
02-22-2018, 02:37 PM
Yes, I missed the context of your post, sorry about that.



I agree that most fans during the pre-Wiki/pre-google era probably didn’t care about line-up changes, if they were aware of them at all. Just seeing Henley, Frey and Walsh (the most recognizable members from the 80s) was probably enough for excited fans during HFO, especially.

For the record, I don’t believe losing Glenn is equivalent to losing the other 3. I recognize and appreciate the impact of Glenn’s role in the band. I’ve said it before that the band isn’t the same without him and never will be.

However I do take issue with the notion that the loss of Glenn completely wrecks the legitimacy and/or authenticity of the band, as if that authenticity had been intact all along. And therefore fans who have seen or plan to see a Glenn-less “inauthentic” Eagles are different from those who saw a less than authentic version of the band with Glenn.

The band may have churned along just fine without the other 3 but that doesn’t transform the Final 4 line-up into something it is not. The fact is that line-up does not reflect the version that recorded most of the songs on the typical setlist. So I don’t see that as a valid argument for why its wrong for fans to go see the current line-up (and I’m not saying it’s you necessarily making all these claims, I’m speaking generally about what I’ve come across on this board).

Finally, this generation of music-lovers is the most informed ever in the era of popular music, thanks to the internet and social media, which wasn’t around in the past to gauge how fans felt about the absence of some band members. Interesting that in the current backlash, the most common criticism seems to be that Henley is now the only original member. At any rate, I suspect there were many fans who missed Felder over the last couple of decades, but they attended and enjoyed the concerts anyway. And now, many of us will miss Glenn and regret his absence, but as last summer showed from concert attendance, reviews and social media, fans still attended and managed to enjoy the concerts, thanks to Don H, Joe and Timothy, plus Vince and Deacon, who are also very talented and have much to offer.

You are so right. The only problem I have is that everytime a new thread is made the people who are against it are the ones who reply immatedly and make the whole thing a bash fest.

Freypower
02-22-2018, 06:08 PM
I guess you casual forgot the reunions of the 80s and 90s. Funny how you leave that out.

John Bonham is the most legendary drummer ever. He is part of what made Zepplin grate. That is why they broke up after his death. He set the whole drum sound of the 1980s and is as important as Robert Plant and Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones. Saying that John Bonham was not an important member of Zepplin is an insult to him and Led Zeppelin

Can you imagine if AC/DC replaced Bon Scott? Oh wait...What I ment to say is how in the world can they replace Brian Johnson? No way in hell can they find someone other the Brian Johnson? Oh thats right because they have Axl “freaking” Rose singing his :censored: off.


See I can do that to


Once again, Led Zeppelin DID NOT REFORM. They played a couple of shows, including those you mention. They never reformed on a full time basis. They never toured.

I think you have hoist yourself with your own petard by your comments about John Bonham. You are absolutely right; he was so important to Led Zeppelin that they disbanded.

Neither Bon Scott, Brian Johnson or Glenn Frey, apparently, were as important to AC/DC or the Eagles as John Bonham was to Led Zeppelin. And you may be OK with that, but I am not.

Oh, and your 'see I can do that too' and 'bash fest' comments are completely inappropriate. Unless some sort of block is placed on people llike me posting in threads like this, you can't just force us all to go away. That's up to Soda, I guess. The thread was started & people, including myself, responded. That is the way message boards work.

YoungEaglesFan
02-22-2018, 06:36 PM
FP- would this mean in your opinion that a hypothetical lineup of Don and Glenn with backing musicians would be more authentic than a hypothetical lineup of Don, Bernie, Randy, Timothy, Felder, and Walsh?

Freypower
02-22-2018, 06:37 PM
Yes, I missed the context of your post, sorry about that.



I agree that most fans during the pre-Wiki/pre-google era probably didn’t care about line-up changes, if they were aware of them at all. Just seeing Henley, Frey and Walsh (the most recognizable members from the 80s) was probably enough for excited fans during HFO, especially.

For the record, I don’t believe losing Glenn is equivalent to losing the other 3. I recognize and appreciate the impact of Glenn’s role in the band. I’ve said it before that the band isn’t the same without him and never will be.

However I do take issue with the notion that the loss of Glenn completely wrecks the legitimacy and/or authenticity of the band, as if that authenticity had been intact all along. And therefore fans who have seen or plan to see a Glenn-less “inauthentic” Eagles are different from those who saw a less than authentic version of the band with Glenn.

The band may have churned along just fine without the other 3 but that doesn’t transform the Final 4 line-up into something it is not. The fact is that line-up does not reflect the version that recorded most of the songs on the typical setlist. So I don’t see that as a valid argument for why its wrong for fans to go see the current line-up (and I’m not saying it’s you necessarily making all these claims, I’m speaking generally about what I’ve come across on this board).

Finally, this generation of music-lovers is the most informed ever in the era of popular music, thanks to the internet and social media, which wasn’t around in the past to gauge how fans felt about the absence of some band members. Interesting that in the current backlash, the most common criticism seems to be that Henley is now the only original member. At any rate, I suspect there were many fans who missed Felder over the last couple of decades, but they attended and enjoyed the concerts anyway. And now, many of us will miss Glenn and regret his absence, but as last summer showed from concert attendance, reviews and social media, fans still attended and managed to enjoy the concerts, thanks to Don H, Joe and Timothy, plus Vince and Deacon, who are also very talented and have much to offer.

If you think the loss of the founding member and band leader doesn't take away any remaining authenticity, then there is no point trying to convince you otherwise. Your view & those who agee with you is that this is just another lineup change & is no big deal. As is stated above, why not go & see Henley, Walsh & Schmit sing their Eagles songs. What does it matter who sings the 'other' songs.

That's what is being said, regardless of how many times people say they 'miss' Glenn. They are saying he didn't matter. They are saying he was replaceable.

He wasn't & he isn't.

Freypower
02-22-2018, 06:41 PM
FP- would this mean in your opinion that a hypothetical lineup of Don and Glenn with backing musicians would be more authentic than a hypothetical lineup of Don, Bernie, Randy, Timothy, Felder, and Walsh?

Well, that is a difficult question.

If I'm being brutal, I guess the second option could be regarded as authentic, just as the Genesis lineup of Collins/Banks/Rutherford is. My problem with it is that for me the Eagles require BOTH Frey & Henley to be authentic, not just one of them.

But if Don & Glenn had played some shows with backing musicians & called themselves 'Eagles' then I guess I would have been as entitled as anyone who approves of the current situation to see that as authentic too, again, as long as they were both involved. So if you can call Queen with only May & Taylor authentic, you could have called the Eagles with only Frey & Henley authentic. As it never happened, nothing more can be said.

Edit: Sorry YEF. I know you saw my previous response to Delilah whiich I deleted & reworded.

travlnman2
02-22-2018, 07:25 PM
Once again, Led Zeppelin DID NOT REFORM. They played a couple of shows, including those you mention. They never reformed on a full time basis. They never toured.

I think you have hoist yourself with your own petard by your comments about John Bonham. You are absolutely right; he was so important to Led Zeppelin that they disbanded.

Neither Bon Scott, Brian Johnson or Glenn Frey, apparently, were as important to AC/DC or the Eagles as John Bonham was to Led Zeppelin. And you may be OK with that, but I am not.

Oh, and your 'see I can do that too' and 'bash fest' comments are completely inappropriate. Unless some sort of block is placed on people llike me posting in threads like this, you can't just force us all to go away. That's up to Soda, I guess. The thread was started & people, including myself, responded. That is the way message boards work.

No that is absolutly not what I was saying.


You say that this was Glenn's band. If it was then ONLY GLENN would have said that if he died he would want the band to go on. If Glenn said I don't want the band to continue after my death then this tour would not be going on.

But since this is Glenn's band he may have left his wishes to only three other people. Don Henley, Irving Azoff and Cindy Frey. If those wishes were to stop the band then that's what would have happened. But it looks like he said I would like the band to continue playing these songs if I am not able to do myself

Freypower
02-22-2018, 07:34 PM
No that is absolutly not what I was saying.


What is inappropriate as that apprently we can not have an opinon otjer then this bad. You are coming off as saying I am better because I saw the EGles with Glenn. Also it feels like you guys are saying that the only ones who matrer is Glenn. That is a huge insult to everyone else to the band. Alsp its a huge insult to the Frey family as Cindy is most likely i charge of her husbands estate and does have a say if the Eagles can resume or not. Without her permisson I dont think this would be happening. Only Don, Irving and Cindy knew what Glenn may pr may not have wished for the band to do if he ided. He probably spoke in private what his wishes would be. It seems to me that those wishes maay have been that he wanted the band to continue. Because if Glenn said if I die I don’t want the band to co tinue brcause it was Glenn’s band. Only Glenn would have given the band permisso. To continue if he died

There is no point in continuing to engage with this. Once we get the ít's what Glenn would have wanted' stuff it's time to give up. For the last time, I DON'T CARE if he wanted them to continue (though I doubt it) or if Cindy gave permission. I DON'T CARE. They were wrong to continue.

As for your statement that I am implying I am 'better' because I saw the Eagles with Glenn, that is ludicrous, and you know it. The people who want to see them without him can do so if they wish. I can't stop them. But I don't have to just bow down & agree with them.

Freypower
02-22-2018, 08:06 PM
No that is absolutly not what I was saying.


You say that this was Glenn's band. If it was then ONLY GLENN would have said that if he died he would want the band to go on. If Glenn said I don't want the band to continue after my death then this tour would not be going on.

But since this is Glenn's band he may have left his wishes to only three other people. Don Henley, Irving Azoff and Cindy Frey. If those wishes were to stop the band then that's what would have happened. But it looks like he said I would like the band to continue playing these songs if I am not able to do myself

I see you edited your post to which I had replied, so now I will have to reply to the edited post.

I maintain that there is no evidence AT ALL that Glenn wanted the band to continue, or left any sort of statement. He was modest to a fault & downplayed his contributions to an absurd degree. That doesn't necessarily means he thought they should have continued. He had some pride. He knew they would be an empty shell without his contributions.

You think the opposite. You & those who agree with you conveniently beieve it's what he wanted. Well, if that's what you wish to think, go ahead. If it IS what he wanted, as I have said ad nauseam, then it's happened. BUT I THINK IT IS WRONG. I loved Glenn Frey. But I disagreed with many of his actions. If this is the final action of his with which I have to disagree, then so be it. My loyalty to his memory only goes so far.

I apologise now for apparently hijacking this thread & will leave it.

travlnman2
02-22-2018, 10:19 PM
I see you edited your post to which I had replied, so now I will have to reply to the edited post.

I maintain that there is no evidence AT ALL that Glenn wanted the band to continue, or left any sort of statement. He was modest to a fault & downplayed his contributions to an absurd degree. That doesn't necessarily means he thought they should have continued. He had some pride. He knew they would be an empty shell without his contributions.

You think the opposite. You & those who agree with you conveniently beieve it's what he wanted. Well, if that's what you wish to think, go ahead. If it IS what he wanted, as I have said ad nauseam, then it's happened. BUT I THINK IT IS WRONG. I loved Glenn Frey. But I disagreed with many of his actions. If this is the final action of his with which I have to disagree, then so be it. My loyalty to his memory only goes so far.

I apologise now for apparently hijacking this thread & will leave it.


Well I think it was what Glenn wanted because it WAS HIS BAND. Just like you said. Glenn was in charge of the band and the only way they could continue if he passed was if it was his. I say that because you say it WAS GLENNS band. Now if Glenn thought this was the best for HIS band. Then it is fine with me because as you said it was his band.

and you conviently leave out all the times bands have lost extreamly important members but still continued because it fits your agenda. You do it as well

I am done

WalshFan88
02-22-2018, 11:00 PM
I guess you casual forgot the reunions of the 80s and 90s. Funny how you leave that out.

John Bonham is the most legendary drummer ever. He is part of what made Zepplin grate. That is why they broke up after his death. He set the whole drum sound of the 1980s and is as important as Robert Plant and Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones. Saying that John Bonham was not an important member of Zepplin is an insult to him and Led Zeppelin

Can you imagine if AC/DC replaced Bon Scott? Oh wait...What I ment to say is how in the world can they replace Brian Johnson? No way in hell can they find someone other the Brian Johnson? Oh thats right because they have Axl “freaking” Rose singing his :censored: off.


See I can do that to

Wow TM. Where do I begin.

First off, stop with the "see I can do that too" business. It doesn't help anything.

Second, yes the 3 remaining members did do some one off get togethers but it wasn't Led Zeppelin, no matter the name. The one most LZ fans will recognize is from the Celebration Day video, the 02 reunion for Ahmet Ertegun. Forgetting to mention two other "get togethers"/one offs that didn't amount to much isn't because of some agenda. Let's get that straight too. I didn't put them in the same light as the 02.

The fact you think John Bonham is the most legendary drummer or best drummer is subjective. I won't argue that he wasn't great. But he wasn't on Plant's or Frey's level of importance to their bands. Eagles even moreso. Glenn was the leader of the band, along with Don but even Don would tell you it was Glenn's band. Glenn was so important to the Eagles that most people would still have went and seen them as long as Glenn and Don were there. They could have had the others replaced and people would still have gone. The band we call Eagles was Glenn Frey's heart and soul, and along with Don Henley, they were responsible for making it as big as it was. Tim or Randy, as much as we love them, didn't have that same level of importance to the band. They just didn't. As great as John Paul Jones and John Bonham were, they could never overshadow Plant and Page as a songwriting team and as bandleaders. Just the way it is.

Of course, the end result is greater than the individual parts, but not all of those parts were equal. There was a hierarchy to the Eagles, with Glenn and then Don at the very top. Those guys were the visionaries and the ones who were essential. As Glenn said in HOTE, it's like a sports team. You can't do it without the other guys but not everyone gets to touch the ball all of the time. It clocks it well.

You're right that AC/DC has went through singers. But the deal is, Angus was always the frontman in that band. That's who people want to see. The Young brothers did most of the writing, and those who write the songs, win. Also I feel again, not a straight comparison to Glenn's position in the Eagles. Not the same. And on a side note, I love Axl in GNR, but to me I'm always going to be a Brian fan. I loved Bon and I love Axl, but to me Back In Black is the pinnacle of AC/DC. I've seen AC/DC twice, and my eyes 99 percent of the time never leave Angus. He's the show. His guitar playing, antics, outfits, the tall riser, all of that. Angus.

Freypower
02-22-2018, 11:54 PM
Well I think it was what Glenn wanted because it WAS HIS BAND. Just like you said. Glenn was in charge of the band and the only way they could continue if he passed was if it was his. I say that because you say it WAS GLENNS band. Now if Glenn thought this was the best for HIS band. Then it is fine with me because as you said it was his band.

and you conviently leave out all the times bands have lost extreamly important members but still continued because it fits your agenda. You do it as well

I am done

Sorry, no.

He died. It didn't matter whether he wanted them to continue or not. He no longer had any say in it. Is that cynical? Yes. Has any one of the people involved actually SAID in WORDS that he wanted it to continue? If so, give me evidence.

You really think he wanted them out there without him leading the charge? I repeat; he was modest. But he was not THAT modest. You really think he wanted them to turn themselves into a parody of themselves?

I don't care about other bands who replaced important band members who had died, apart from Queen, who I just saw & believe proved my point. I am talking about Glenn Frey, the founder, leader, co lead singer & co lead songwriter of the Eagles, not just any departing band member like (e.g. David Knopfler from Dire Straits, or Peter Gabriel, believe it or not. I use examples close to my heart) & in my view he could not and should not have been replaced.

Did you not even read what I wrote? I wrote that it is irrelevant to me whether Glenn wanted the band to continue or not. I personally DIDN'T want it and I will never change my mind, whether he wanted it or not.

Now will you please acknowledge that that is my view. I do not have an 'agenda'. Nor should I have to constantly repeat what I have stated clearly enough. You disagree with me. Fine.

travlnman2
02-23-2018, 11:27 AM
Sorry, no.

He died. It didn't matter whether he wanted them to continue or not. He no longer had any say in it. Is that cynical? Yes. Has any one of the people involved actually SAID in WORDS that he wanted it to continue? If so, give me evidence.

You really think he wanted them out there without him leading the charge? I repeat; he was modest. But he was not THAT modest. You really think he wanted them to turn themselves into a parody of themselves?

I don't care about other bands who replaced important band members who had died, apart from Queen, who I just saw & believe proved my point. I am talking about Glenn Frey, the founder, leader, co lead singer & co lead songwriter of the Eagles, not just any departing band member like (e.g. David Knopfler from Dire Straits, or Peter Gabriel, believe it or not. I use examples close to my heart) & in my view he could not and should not have been replaced.

Did you not even read what I wrote? I wrote that it is irrelevant to me whether Glenn wanted the band to continue or not. I personally DIDN'T want it and I will never change my mind, whether he wanted it or not.

Now will you please acknowledge that that is my view. I do not have an 'agenda'. Nor should I have to constantly repeat what I have stated clearly enough. You disagree with me. Fine.

Sorry if I upset you. didn't mean for that to happen

Ive always been a dreamer
02-23-2018, 12:02 PM
I feel sorry for anyone who didn't see the group in their original form, and that includes me.

It looks like 2018 will be very busy and fits with an observation by Marc Eliot (in the article he wrote immediately after Glenn died) that Don Henley had said he would have liked to tour a lot more. I've also seen something about Joe finding life easier when he was touring (this may have been in his dark days). Obviously, they could all tour as solo artists but they've always said that that's a lot harder than being part of a band where you share leads.

I don't see the suggestion of seeing a tribute band as disrespectful. I liked being able to hear the songs up close in a smaller venue. Of course, I'd have preferred to see the real deal under similar conditions but it compared quite favourably with sitting far away in a large venue.

Thank you, UTW. I didn’t intend for my suggestion about tribute bands to be disrespectful. I meant that sincerely and have personally very much enjoyed seeing several excellent tribute bands in the past. However, admittedly, I don’t think it’s any secret that I have very little respect for the decision to continue the band without Glenn. As the old saying goes, to get respect, you have to earn it and the direction the band has taken in the last year or so has not done that for me. So, for those who feel differently, I guess we have to agree to disagree about this. As I stated earlier though, I do agree with others that this thread is rather unnecessary and redundant.


Yes, I missed the context of your post, sorry about that.



I agree that most fans during the pre-Wiki/pre-google era probably didn’t care about line-up changes, if they were aware of them at all. Just seeing Henley, Frey and Walsh (the most recognizable members from the 80s) was probably enough for excited fans during HFO, especially.

For the record, I don’t believe losing Glenn is equivalent to losing the other 3. I recognize and appreciate the impact of Glenn’s role in the band. I’ve said it before that the band isn’t the same without him and never will be.

However I do take issue with the notion that the loss of Glenn completely wrecks the legitimacy and/or authenticity of the band, as if that authenticity had been intact all along. And therefore fans who have seen or plan to see a Glenn-less “inauthentic” Eagles are different from those who saw a less than authentic version of the band with Glenn.

The band may have churned along just fine without the other 3 but that doesn’t transform the Final 4 line-up into something it is not. The fact is that line-up does not reflect the version that recorded most of the songs on the typical setlist. So I don’t see that as a valid argument for why its wrong for fans to go see the current line-up (and I’m not saying it’s you necessarily making all these claims, I’m speaking generally about what I’ve come across on this board).

Finally, this generation of music-lovers is the most informed ever in the era of popular music, thanks to the internet and social media, which wasn’t around in the past to gauge how fans felt about the absence of some band members. Interesting that in the current backlash, the most common criticism seems to be that Henley is now the only original member. At any rate, I suspect there were many fans who missed Felder over the last couple of decades, but they attended and enjoyed the concerts anyway. And now, many of us will miss Glenn and regret his absence, but as last summer showed from concert attendance, reviews and social media, fans still attended and managed to enjoy the concerts, thanks to Don H, Joe and Timothy, plus Vince and Deacon, who are also very talented and have much to offer.

And Delilah – Your post is very thoughtful and I agree with you that the band was no longer the authentic band that recorded the first four albums the moment Bernie left. But, almost every successful rock band undergoes personnel changes for all kinds of reasons. So even though the original recording lineup may have been missed, up until 2015, Take It to the Limit was the only song in the band’s live show that was not performed by the original singer. So, to me, they were pretty successful maintaining their authenticity. I believe they also remained legitimate as long as both Don and Glenn were in the band since they were the two who wrote, sang, and performed most of the band’s hit songs. So, now with ½ of that duo gone, this is no longer the case and I don’t believe they remain authentic or legitimate. So, as noted above, IMHO, it is wrong for the band to continue without Glenn. Obviously, not everyone shares my view and I don't believe it is wrong for them to go see the current line-up if they so desire. But, I also don't think it's wrong if I do not want to see them.

Dawn
02-23-2018, 12:16 PM
From the beginning, when the terrible news Glenn Frey had died was made public, it was widely believed the Eagles were done. Not only did it seem inconceivable they could continue without him but it was hard to imagine why they would even "want" to.

That was then. Before Azoff put together his version of the hugely successful Desert Trip 2016 festival: The Classic East & West with the remnants of the Eagles and addition of Vince Gill and Deacon Frey to complete the lineup booked as co-headliners.

This bi-coastal event in the summer of 2017 was described as an "experiment" but it wasn't long before more concert dates were added: Classic Northwest with the Doobie Brothers in Sept and several Evening With The Eagles concerts in October. Total 2017: 7/8 concerts

Now they are going full speed ahead with over 50 concerts booked for 2018. No news yet on whether they are planning a European tour, Australia, Japan, etc. but I would not be surprised.

travlnman2
02-23-2018, 12:21 PM
From the beginning, when the terrible news Glenn Frey had died was made public, it was widely believed the Eagles were done. Not only did it seem inconceivable they could continue without him but it was hard to imagine why they would even "want" to.

That was then. Before Azoff put together his version of the hugely successful Desert Trip 2016 festival: The Classic East & West with the remnants of the Eagles and addition of Vince Gill and Deacon Frey to complete the lineup booked as co-headliners.

This bi-coastal event in the summer of 2017 was described as an "experiment" but it wasn't long before more concert dates were added: Classic Northwest with the Doobie Brothers in Sept and several Evening With The Eagles concerts in October. Total 2017: 7/8 concerts

Now they are going full speed ahead with over 50 concerts booked for 2018. No news yet on whether they are planning a European tour, Australia, Japan, etc. but I would not be surprised.

When I was going back at the HOTE doc I feel that Irving will take advantage of any situation . to further himself and get money into his pocket.

Dawn
02-23-2018, 01:25 PM
When I was going back at the HOTE doc I feel that Irving will take advantage of any situation . to further himself and get money into his pocket.

All things considered, my personal view is while Irving Azoff might be the best thing that ever happened to the Eagles he may also be the worst.

Having said that, Frey, Henley are not naive. Over the years they learned some very valuable albeit painful lessons about the music industry to enable them to make informed decisions.

But yeah, the BIG money is in touring.

WinslowCorner
02-25-2018, 10:43 PM
I was fortunate to see various line-ups 40 plus times over the years. I have seen most of the individuals solo as well. Several times for some of them. I always returned to see the band together, because it was ALWAYS simply magical.

Like Don has said" all we can do, is sing, and play these instruments".

Together, whatever version I witnessed, those crazy harmonies that were amazing. Their voices combined for a sound that I believe, cannot be replicated.

Many artists liken their creations as their children. To be released to the world. To be enjoyed, celebrated, to inspire, to be made into the listeners own, to be loved.

For that reason alone, I would think Glenn and his family would be proud to see his musical legacy continue, in what ever form. It was from him, part of him, for eternity. I understand and can't disagree.

The creations by: Frey/Henley/Meisner/Leadon/Felder/Walsh/Schmitt/Browne/Souther/Waits/Young,are my all time favorites, without equal. Thanks for the words and music.

Historically they've toured with several various supporting artists to assist them in delivering their sound live. They were all great. Only the best. Each time, a fantastic experience.

I feel privileged to have witnessed their gifts. The times of my life.

Jackson Browne sings: "Let the Music Keep Our Spirits High".

As far as the 2018 tour, not going. But that's just me.

sodascouts
02-25-2018, 11:19 PM
If you think the loss of the founding member and band leader doesn't take away any remaining authenticity, then there is no point trying to convince you otherwise. Your view & those who agree with you is that this is just another lineup change & is no big deal. As is stated above, why not go & see Henley, Walsh & Schmit sing their Eagles songs. What does it matter who sings the 'other' songs.

That's what is being said, regardless of how many times people say they 'miss' Glenn. They are saying he didn't matter. They are saying he was replaceable.

He wasn't & he isn't.

This.

Oh, I'm not saying people who go and see the "Eagles" now don't really miss Glenn on an emotional level. I know many people who are going to see the "Eagles" now who are heartbroken over Glenn's death.

However, on a musical level, they do not believe his absence matters enough to call the band to a halt. Another voice will do.

So I guess it does come down to those who see it as just another line-up change, and those who see it as an irreparable hole.

sodascouts
02-25-2018, 11:33 PM
If this was meant to be a positive thread, why wasn’t the comment posted on the thread that already exists (the 2018 North American tour which touched on the subject of the #of shows)?

The OP can clarify but it appears the topic was meant to renew debate about the new line-up’s tour.

Indeed. There is already a thread designated for people who want to talk about their excitement regarding the upcoming tour here (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7242), as well as individual show threads if anyone wishes to create them.

I ask people to keep negativity out of positive threads and to keep threads on-topic, but if someone invites debate, then people of both opinions are free to participate in that debate.

The only thing I worry about is redundancy with Eagles 3.0 but this does seem to be more focused towards the current tour, so I'll leave it unmerged.

travlnman2
02-25-2018, 11:35 PM
This.

Oh, I'm not saying people who go and see the "Eagles" now don't really miss Glenn on an emotional level. I know many people who are going to see the "Eagles" now who are heartbroken over Glenn's death.

However, on a musical level, they do not believe his absence matters enough to call the band to a halt. Another voice will do.

So I guess it does come down to those who see it as just another line-up change, and those who see it as an irreparable hole.


Or it could be there way of greiveing because the Eagles jave been there lives for 40+ years.

Its a big shock pschylogical. If you are doing something that you know amd loce for 40 years and you just stop the band. It’s not going to go well. Thats why so many people who retire find part time jobs because they can not envison a life without work. It can cause Depression and various other symptoms.


I did my Final paper on this. So it might also be a psychomogixal factor as well.


Lets say you are a doctor for over 40 years. You deicde to retire. Forst few says after you stop working the shock of not being a doctor comes and people often go depressed and other stuff thats why so many bands decided to continue. Its more of keeping themselves from going crazy because to just stop the band will make you go crazy because you are no longer an Eaglez.


That is just what I have resarched and my opinin

Freypower
02-26-2018, 01:20 AM
Or it could be there way of greiveing because the Eagles jave been there lives for 40+ years.

Its a big shock pschylogical. If you are doing something that you know amd loce for 40 years and you just stop the band. It’s not going to go well. Thats why so many people who retire find part time jobs because they can not envison a life without work. It can cause Depression and various other symptoms.


I did my Final paper on this. So it might also be a psychomogixal factor as well.


Lets say you are a doctor for over 40 years. You deicde to retire. Forst few says after you stop working the shock of not being a doctor comes and people often go depressed and other stuff thats why so many bands decided to continue. Its more of keeping themselves from going crazy because to just stop the band will make you go crazy because you are no longer an Eaglez.


That is just what I have resarched and my opinin

Soda was talking about the people who are going to see this version of the 'Eagles' in response to what I had said about how people want to see Henley, Walsh & Schmit & it doesn't matter about who sings the other songs. She was not talking about the musicians.

Perhaps it should be remembered that the Eagles did split up for 14 years. So it is hardly as if they have never been apart before.

I don't get this 'keep themselves from going crazy' stuff. These men are now 70. They have their solo careers. They have their families. I would have much preferred acceptance, rather than denial. As a fan, I accepted the band was over & I don't see why they didn't. I see only one reason why they didn't.

As for the 'psychological shock' they got over the shock of losing Glenn quickly enough, or so it seems. We were told so much about their 'shock' and how it justifierd their subsequent actions.

I feel that had to be addressed, but I take Soda's point about keeping negativity out of this.

Delilah
02-26-2018, 03:34 AM
And Delilah – Your post is very thoughtful

Thank you, Dreamer.



I maintain that there is no evidence AT ALL that Glenn wanted the band to continue, or left any sort of statement. He was modest to a fault & downplayed his contributions to an absurd degree. That doesn't necessarily means he thought they should have continued. He had some pride. He knew they would be an empty shell without his contributions.

While there may not be direct evidence, I maintain there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that Glenn wanted the band to continue, or at the least, didn’t care:

His widow, who knew him best of anyone on the planet, gave the go-ahead;
His children are directly involved in the tour;
Friends and family showed up at the Detroit concert in a great show of support;
One of his closest and most devoted friends, Bob Seger, who dedicated his last album to Glenn & wrote a song in his memory, said it was great the band was continuing on;
His own band mates, who worked with Glenn for decades and mourned him at what was reported to be a touching and moving private memorial, decided to go on.

If his closest friends and family members felt Glenn would be opposed to this, not even the threat of Azoff’s wrath would keep at least one of them from speaking out.

I realize Glenn’s wishes regarding this matter do not affect your opinion about the current Eagles. But I don’t believe these circumstances should be ignored.



I would have much preferred acceptance, rather than denial. As a fan, I accepted the band was over & I don't see why they didn't. I see only one reason why they didn't.

I feel that had to be addressed, but I take Soda's point about keeping negativity out of this.

They didn’t “accept” it b/c it’s not over. The main point of the thread is that the tour now has 52 booked dates. That doesn’t sound like a band that is done. If they were over, no one would be buying tickets, watching their YT videos nor would the band be getting rave reviews from the critics.

chaim
02-26-2018, 03:58 AM
This.

Oh, I'm not saying people who go and see the "Eagles" now don't really miss Glenn on an emotional level. I know many people who are going to see the "Eagles" now who are heartbroken over Glenn's death.

However, on a musical level, they do not believe his absence matters enough to call the band to a halt. Another voice will do.

So I guess it does come down to those who see it as just another line-up change, and those who see it as an irreparable hole.

If the ticket prices were reasonable and they happened to play where I live (two things that will never happen) there's a possibility I would go. But I wouldn't feel that Glenn was replaced in the band. I wouldn't be thinking I'm seeing the Eagles. It would be Don, Timothy and Joe plus some other people for me. I've never seen any of the guys solo, so it's possible I'd go see them as Don, Tim and Joe.

I could also imagine going to see The Orchestra ("former members of this and that") fully aware that their desperate attempts to be associated with the original ELO are silly. Not that I'm comparing the bands. Eagles does have one original member and two members that have been in the band for a long time. I'm just saying that one can go see a concert not feeling they're seeing the "real thing". I'm not sure I'm making any sense. In one sentence: It IS possible that I'd go see a band even when I don't feel it's the band they're calling themselves. (Although it would feel awkward if people around me would be going "Yeah, the Eagles, man!". And I'm not saying I WOULD go - just that I can't rule that out.)

Annoying Twit
02-26-2018, 04:30 AM
I don't think I'll get to see them as like others they are unlikely to come here and even if they did, it would be London with travel and accommodation costs, and with a huge ticket price.

However, I do hope that they film some concerts, and release a blu-ray. I think it would be nice touch to document this stage of Eagles.

EagleInKansas
02-26-2018, 11:44 AM
I take offense to the idea that the people who attend these concerts feel as if Glenn is replaceable and that anyone can sing his songs. Even though the band is going by "Eagles" for obvious reasons, this is not an Eagles concert. It is as close as anything could possibly come, but it's not that. Eagles concerts had Glenn's jokes and his band introductions and the dueling guitars between Joe and Glenn and a frontman and a master of ceremonies and a narrator and...Glenn.

It's ridiculous to argue that those of us who are participating in this are under some illusion that it's the same or that the differences aren't noticeable and palpable. I, personally, could take or leave Vince Gill. He happens to be an awesome singer and musician, and I do love his version of "Take it to the Limit." But for most of his songs, I'm waiting for the next Don, Joe, Tim or Deacon song.

Deacon, by the way, is great. He takes it seriously and he wants to do well and it's clear that it means a lot for him to honor his father. Through his social media posts, it doesn't appear he's most interested in performing rock music for the rest of his life. But he's doing this for his dad and for his other "extended family" members in the band, and I'll never have anything approaching a negative word to say about him.

My position is that if you never saw the Eagles with Glenn and you attend one of these concerts, you can't really say you saw the Eagles. I happened to attend 30 Eagles concerts with Glenn, and I'm continuing to count the shows I've seen and will see without him as part of the total. But I'm not delusional. These shows happen to be really awesome, but it's not the same.

Nobody can be Glenn. Only Glenn is Glenn. Please give me and the others continuing to support the band credit for understanding that. Not a single person on this board has said they prefer this version of the band. We're going because we like it, not because it's better or in a show of disrespect to the man who made it possible in the first place.

shunlvswx
02-26-2018, 11:58 AM
I take offense to the idea that the people who attend these concerts feel as if Glenn is replaceable and that anyone can sing his songs. Even though the band is going by "Eagles" for obvious reasons, this is not an Eagles concert. It is as close as anything could possibly come, but it's not that. Eagles concerts had Glenn's jokes and his band introductions and the dueling guitars between Joe and Glenn and a frontman and a master of ceremonies and a narrator and...Glenn.

It's ridiculous to argue that those of us who are participating in this are under some illusion that it's the same or that the differences aren't noticeable and palpable. I, personally, could take or leave Vince Gill. He happens to be an awesome singer and musician, and I do love his version of "Take it to the Limit." But for most of his songs, I'm waiting for the next Don, Joe, Tim or Deacon song.

Deacon, by the way, is great. He takes it seriously and he wants to do well and it's clear that it means a lot for him to honor his father. Through his social media posts, it doesn't appear he's most interested in performing rock music for the rest of his life. But he's doing this for his dad and for his other "extended family" members in the band, and I'll never have anything approaching a negative word to say about him.

My position is that if you never saw the Eagles with Glenn and you attend one of these concerts, you can't really say you saw the Eagles. I happened to attend 30 Eagles concerts with Glenn, and I'm continuing to count the shows I've seen and will see without him as part of the total. But I'm not delusional. These shows happen to be really awesome, but it's not the same.

Nobody can be Glenn. Only Glenn is Glenn. Please give me and the others continuing to support the band credit for understanding that. Not a single person on this board has said they prefer this version of the band. We're going because we like it, not because it's better or in a show of disrespect to the man who made it possible in the first place.

:applause: Thank you for saying this, EIK. I've been thinking about this for a long time, but I decided to not say anything because everybody always jumping down our backs for wanted to see this version or in your words think we are delusional without knowing the difference or its not the same. Or they think we always jumping down their backs for not wanting to see them. Again double standard on both sides.

I stayed quiet about this subject and I've definitely been quiet about seeing them for the first time. Its my decision and I probably not going to give a recap on my first show either. I'm going to keep it that way because I don't want to continue to disrespect those who don't like this version even though I think I've never done that.

travlnman2
02-26-2018, 12:09 PM
:applause: Thank you for saying this, EIK. I've been thinking this for a long time, but I decided to not say anything because everybody always jumping down our backs for wanted to see this version or in your words think we are delusional without knowing the difference or its not the same. I stayed quiet about this subject and I've definitely been quiet about seeing them for the first time. I'm going to keep it that way because I don't want to continue to disrespect those who don't like this version even though I think I've never done that.

This^^. I completely feel as though we are being insulted because we like this version.

Also when I am seeing this band I am seei g the Eagles. No one else except Don Henley and the Frey family can say that i didn’t see the Eagles. Its really starting to feel like I can't call this band the Eagles because some people don't like it.

travlnman2
02-26-2018, 12:18 PM
I take offense to the idea that the people who attend these concerts feel as if Glenn is replaceable and that anyone can sing his songs. Even though the band is going by "Eagles" for obvious reasons, this is not an Eagles concert. It is as close as anything could possibly come, but it's not that. Eagles concerts had Glenn's jokes and his band introductions and the dueling guitars between Joe and Glenn and a frontman and a master of ceremonies and a narrator and...Glenn.

It's ridiculous to argue that those of us who are participating in this are under some illusion that it's the same or that the differences aren't noticeable and palpable. I, personally, could take or leave Vince Gill. He happens to be an awesome singer and musician, and I do love his version of "Take it to the Limit." But for most of his songs, I'm waiting for the next Don, Joe, Tim or Deacon song.

Deacon, by the way, is great. He takes it seriously and he wants to do well and it's clear that it means a lot for him to honor his father. Through his social media posts, it doesn't appear he's most interested in performing rock music for the rest of his life. But he's doing this for his dad and for his other "extended family" members in the band, and I'll never have anything approaching a negative word to say about him.

My position is that if you never saw the Eagles with Glenn and you attend one of these concerts, you can't really say you saw the Eagles. I happened to attend 30 Eagles concerts with Glenn, and I'm continuing to count the shows I've seen and will see without him as part of the total. But I'm not delusional. These shows happen to be really awesome, but it's not the same.

Nobody can be Glenn. Only Glenn is Glenn. Please give me and the others continuing to support the band credit for understanding that. Not a single person on this board has said they prefer this version of the band. We're going because we like it, not because it's better or in a show of disrespect to the man who made it possible in the first place.

In your opinion maybe.

But in reality it is an Eagles concert! You can argue that the years without Felder weren't the Eagles, Same without Randy/Bernie. People saying I did not see the Eagles can't tell me what I saw and it ruins the experience for me because I am being told what I saw is not what is on my ticket.

I am going to see the Eagles and that is what I am getting.

sodascouts
02-26-2018, 12:43 PM
It's ridiculous to argue that those of us who are participating in this are under some illusion that it's the same or that the differences aren't noticeable and palpable.


I never said you thought it was better, or that you couldn't tell it was different. That would indeed be ridiculous.

I don't appreciate the strawman version of my argument, which has already been echoed by two members instead of what I actually said (which I notice you didn't actually quote).

Here is what I actually said (where "they" refers to people attending the concerts):



However, on a musical level, they do not believe his absence matters enough to call the band to a halt. Another voice will do.


And that is true.

If you did not believe this, you would not be OK with the existence of "this version of the band" calling itself the Eagles regardless of the fact that it's lesser, or what you call it in your head despite what the marquee says in order to justify it to yourself.

Shun, travlnman2, please note my actual words, and address them if you want.

But why would you want to? It is your right to feel that way. You want to call this a "version", fine.... but you can't have it both ways.

chaim
02-26-2018, 12:52 PM
People do have a right to call them the Eagles, because that's what they're called, even though some of us have a problem with the name. (referring to Tralvnman2's post)

Ive always been a dreamer
02-26-2018, 01:21 PM
Ah - Looks like we've come full circle once again. I think it's been repeated ad nauseum - go see this band if you like and enjoy yourself even though most everyone acknowledges that this version of the band is not the same band you saw when Glenn was alive.

And it all boils down to this simple objection - since it's not the same band, they should not legitimately be representing themselves as the 'Eagles'. It is wrong because they are no longer that. If they called themselves something else, most of us would probably be okay with that even if we didn't want to go to a show.

travlnman2
02-26-2018, 01:48 PM
Ah - Looks like we've come full circle once again. I think it's been repeated ad nauseum - go see this band if you like and enjoy yourself even though most everyone acknowledges that this version of the band is not the same band you saw when Glenn was alive.

And it all boils down to this simple objection - since it's not the same band, they should not legitimately be representing themselves as the 'Eagles'. It is wrong because they are no longer that. If they called themselves something else, most of us would probably be okay with that even if we didn't want to go to a show.


Thing is we get it you don’t like them calling themselves the Eagles.

But stop trying to ruin OTHER peoples experiences by telling them they did not see the Eagles. People have issues we get it. I don’t like it when people TELL ME what I saw is not the Eagles. Its diffrent everyone knows that. But stop telling people they are seeing a tribute band. How is that difficult?.

What I am gettting is that you guys are telling us what the band is because you saw the band with Glenn. It feels like you decided what people are seeing and that only people who object to the band continuing get to have an opinon.

It feels like we are being talked down to.


Its always people who object to the resumption. Keep getting the circle starting again and complain when the thread blows up. People who are going to the shows don’t try and blowing up threads and play victim.

It is EVERY SINGAL SHOW thread this debate gets renewed and shut down by only one group. The objectors. Why can't we just get along. I don't mind if people object it is their right. But it is the people who object that have a problem with people wanting to see the Eagles that can't let it go.

I can let it go but can you?

Dawn
02-26-2018, 02:15 PM
FACT: Without Glenn Frey in the lineup this is not nor can it ever be the same band that's been touring as the Eagles for the past 24 years.

travlnman2
02-26-2018, 02:24 PM
FACT: Without Glenn Frey in the lineup this is not nor can it ever be the same band that's been touring as the Eagles for the past 24 years.

EVERYONE KNOWS THAT.

EagleInKansas
02-26-2018, 02:33 PM
The only reason the name means anything is because of the stature of the people -- not just one person -- who were part of the band. The Yankees didn't cease being the Yankees when Babe Ruth stopped playing for them, but a large part of their identity, even to this day, is based on his history, memory and spiritual presence. The same is true for the Eagles. Glenn is largely responsible for that name maintaining meaning, significance and relevance over the last five decades. It is because of him, not in spite of his death, that people still sell out arenas to see the songs played. The upcoming and future tours, I choose to believe, are a celebration of Glenn, and of the band -- a "victory lap," perhaps -- and of the music and songs. The Eagles never did anything without Glenn signing off, and I believe that this tour is no different. They're honoring him, not replacing him. I truly believe that, and I know others disagree.

To say we "accept" that Glenn is not in the band is inarguable. There is no other choice. But we certainly don't prefer it, and we're (or at least I am) choosing to remain loyal because we feel as if the current Eagles are a tribute to their loyalty to Glenn and his memory.

travlnman2
02-26-2018, 02:52 PM
The only reason the name means anything is because of the stature of the people -- not just one person -- who were part of the band. The Yankees didn't cease being the Yankees when Babe Ruth stopped playing for them, but a large part of their identity, even to this day, is based on his history, memory and spiritual presence. The same is true for the Eagles. Glenn is largely responsible for that name maintaining meaning, significance and relevance over the last five decades. It is because of him, not in spite of his death, that people still sell out arenas to see the songs played. The upcoming and future tours, I choose to believe, are a celebration of Glenn, and of the band -- a "victory lap," perhaps -- and of the music and songs. The Eagles never did anything without Glenn signing off, and I believe that this tour is no different. They're honoring him, not replacing him. I truly believe that, and I know others disagree.

To say we "accept" that Glenn is not in the band is inarguable. There is no other choice. But we certainly don't prefer it, and we're (or at least I am) choosing to remain loyal because we feel as if the current Eagles are a tribute to their loyalty to Glenn and his memory.


Exactly this.:applause:

Dawn
02-26-2018, 03:21 PM
How one views the band in its current lineup is a personal matter - as is how one chooses to express their loyalty. I've been a fan since the early 70's and do not view my lack of support for the current lineup as disloyal or insensitive.

Among my Eagle fan friends not one has expressed any interest or desire to see the band since they announced their 2017-2018 tour.

EagleInKansas
02-26-2018, 04:05 PM
Dawn, you absolutely should not feel as if you're being disloyal by declining to continue to support the band. I absolutely, 100 percent agree with you on that. Loyalty is in one's heart. If you feel as if you are being loyal and true to yourself, then you are.

I also feel as if I'm being loyal by being a part of this. There is far, far much more common ground between the two "sides" than either of us have cared to acknowledge so far. We both LOVE L-O-V-E LOVE Glenn Frey and would put him back into the band immediately if that option were available. Some of us choose to take the option that is available, and some pass. But it is almost certainly coming from the same place.

Where we depart is when it is expressed that non-supporters "feel sorry" for those who are actively supporting the current Eagles. Don't feel sorry. We're actually pretty OK with the choice. We know it doesn't mean we have turned our back on Glenn, just like you know your position doesn't cancel out 45 years of fandom. We're having fun while we still can. The band is still really good.

Ultimately, this probably isn't that big of a deal. The band's legacy is beyond secure and we are all still Eagles fans, the most passionate among a huge, worldwide group. I would talk for hours with any of you about the Eagles or any of their members, past and present, and feel right at home. We are a community and the band is a family. I wish I had more people to talk to about the current band, but I definitely hold no ill will as long as none is expressed to those of us still enjoying the Eagles live.

sodascouts
02-26-2018, 04:10 PM
It is EVERY SINGAL SHOW thread this debate gets renewed and shut down by only one group.

FALSE.

Get your facts straight if you want anyone to take your arguments seriously, travlnman2.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-26-2018, 05:36 PM
FALSE.

Get your facts straight if you want anyone to take your arguments seriously, travlnman2.

This ^^.

travlnman2 – Please cut the BS. As long as this thread is active, anyone is free to respectfully express their opinion here. To quote your earlier post, dictating who can or cannot post here “just comes off as superior and rude”. You are the only one presently posting here that is engaging in confrontational, argumentative behavior. If you are going to debate topics on this board, you need to keep your facts straight, not twist around other’s words, and be more respectful and tolerant of opposing opinions.

Freypower
02-26-2018, 05:40 PM
While there may not be direct evidence, I maintain there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that Glenn wanted the band to continue, or at the least, didn’t care:

His widow, who knew him best of anyone on the planet, gave the go-ahead;
His children are directly involved in the tour;
Friends and family showed up at the Detroit concert in a great show of support;
One of his closest and most devoted friends, Bob Seger, who dedicated his last album to Glenn & wrote a song in his memory, said it was great the band was continuing on;
His own band mates, who worked with Glenn for decades and mourned him at what was reported to be a touching and moving private memorial, decided to go on.

If his closest friends and family members felt Glenn would be opposed to this, not even the threat of Azoff’s wrath would keep at least one of them from speaking out.

I realize Glenn’s wishes regarding this matter do not affect your opinion about the current Eagles. But I don’t believe these circumstances should be ignored.

They didn’t “accept” it b/c it’s not over. The main point of the thread is that the tour now has 52 booked dates. That doesn’t sound like a band that is done. If they were over, no one would be buying tickets, watching their YT videos nor would the band be getting rave reviews from the critics.

1. Regarding Glenn's wishes or not, I understand all of the above. Thanks for acknowledging that none of it affects how I feel about it. I don't know that he would not have 'cared', however. That is a strong word.

2. No, it's not 'over' but it should have been. At first, they indicated that it was. Then they changed their minds.

That is in fact the crucial point. If Glenn had in fact wanted them to continue they would not have waited a year before they did so. They would have jumped straight into it, just the way Donald Fagen did after Walter Becker died. Instead, they hung around & waited until they thought it was safe for them to continue, i.e. once a large amount of money was thown at them.

It's probably time for those of us who object to this to retreat to the 'legitimate' thread. :hand:

travlnman2
02-26-2018, 06:28 PM
Dreamer I said I UNDERSTOOD why people had an issue. I never said anything regarding. Others opinion I said everyone has the right to disagree or agree. But whatever :headscratch:

Delilah
02-26-2018, 09:11 PM
1. Regarding Glenn's wishes or not, I understand all of the above. Thanks for acknowledging that none of it affects how I feel about it. I don't know that he would not have 'cared', however. That is a strong word.


I didn’t mean that he didn’t care about the band. I meant it may not have mattered to him if the remaining members continued on or not. He may have thought it was a decision best left to them.


That is in fact the crucial point. If Glenn had in fact wanted them to continue they would not have waited a year before they did so. They would have jumped straight into it, just the way Donald Fagen did after Walter Becker died. Instead, they hung around & waited until they thought it was safe for them to continue, i.e. once a large amount of money was thown at them.

It's probably time for those of us who object to this to retreat to the 'legitimate' thread. :hand:

I disagree. It seems to me they were too grief-stricken and in shock to imagine continuing the band without Glenn, like when someone loses a spouse and can’t imagine being in a relationship with someone else. After some time passed, they realized it was possible after all.

At any rate, I don’t wish to rehash the same old, same old, like Dreamer said. So I’ll be retreating myself.

Dawn
02-26-2018, 09:31 PM
The timing of Azoff's MEGA 6 band bicoastal concert with the Eagles sharing headliner status with Fleetwood Mac is quite interesting. Do the math.

travlnman2
02-26-2018, 09:45 PM
The timing of Azoff's MEGA 6 band bicoastal concert with the Eagles sharing headliner status with Fleetwood Mac is quite interesting. Do the math.

Azzof is only loyal to one person Irving Azoff. All he cares about is making money.

Plus he f***** the ticket industry and purposley mishandled GNR

WalshFan88
02-26-2018, 10:05 PM
This.

Oh, I'm not saying people who go and see the "Eagles" now don't really miss Glenn on an emotional level. I know many people who are going to see the "Eagles" now who are heartbroken over Glenn's death.

However, on a musical level, they do not believe his absence matters enough to call the band to a halt. Another voice will do.

So I guess it does come down to those who see it as just another line-up change, and those who see it as an irreparable hole.

Exactly.

WalshFan88
02-26-2018, 10:11 PM
Ah - Looks like we've come full circle once again. I think it's been repeated ad nauseum - go see this band if you like and enjoy yourself even though most everyone acknowledges that this version of the band is not the same band you saw when Glenn was alive.

And it all boils down to this simple objection - since it's not the same band, they should not legitimately be representing themselves as the 'Eagles'. It is wrong because they are no longer that. If they called themselves something else, most of us would probably be okay with that even if we didn't want to go to a show.

Bingo. It's not the same band and IMO is a fraud calling themselves Eagles. Not only is it not the same, it's a much lesser quality yet expect the same or more $.

WalshFan88
02-26-2018, 10:11 PM
FALSE.

Get your facts straight if you want anyone to take your arguments seriously, travlnman2.


This ^^.

travlnman2 – Please cut the BS. As long as this thread is active, anyone is free to respectfully express their opinion here. To quote your earlier post, dictating who can or cannot post here “just comes off as superior and rude”. You are the only one presently posting here that is engaging in confrontational, argumentative behavior. If you are going to debate topics on this board, you need to keep your facts straight, not twist around other’s words, and be more respectful and tolerant of opposing opinions.

Amen Dreamer and Soda.

WalshFan88
02-26-2018, 10:21 PM
I think that DH, JW, TBS, DF, and VG (whew, that's a mouthful) would be better received by those of us against it if they'd drop the Eagles name. We may not all go to a show, but it's less of a problem at least when you aren't trying to come off as something that is no longer possible to be. If they want to call it Don Henley and Friends or some offshoot of the Eagles, that's fine. Just don't call it the Eagles if Glenn Frey isn't involved. Because it's not the band without Glenn. I have no problem with them playing together or solo, I don't want them to stop playing music. But it's not the Eagles, no matter what name they decide to use. It's not.

MaryCalifornia
02-26-2018, 10:37 PM
If Glenn had in fact wanted them to continue they would not have waited a year before they did so.

You really think this??

DiscoStrangler
02-26-2018, 10:53 PM
It's circular discussion and part of the reason I've stayed off of the boards for a few months. They're touring and performing together. They're going to sellout a hell of a lot more arenas together as the Eagles than they would individually. If you disagree, you disagree. What's the point of beating a dead horse though and being pissy with people who want to enjoy the shows?

Freypower
02-26-2018, 11:01 PM
You really think this??

Well, there is a rhetorical question. Would I have posted it, if I didn't think that was the case? It seems more logical to me, that's all. I gave the example of Steely Dan. Of course I can't prove it, just as those who believed he wanted them to continue can only give circumstantial evidence.

The 'they were in shock' argument was the one Delilah used in her response to me. But as I previously said, that argument has been the one used to justify their actions the entire time. 'They were in shock. Then the shock wore off'.

Well, that's great. They got over the 'shock' and they continued on. Good for them.

MaryCalifornia
02-26-2018, 11:27 PM
There are some remarkable similarities between the history of Steely Dan and the Eagles, but as far as sheer success,popularity and “iconicness”, I don’t know if they’re a good comparison for when a founding member dies. Would Queen be a better example?

Delilah
02-27-2018, 12:18 AM
It seems more logical to me, that's all. I gave the example of Steely Dan. Of course I can't prove it, just as those who believed he wanted them to continue can only give circumstantial evidence.


Well Steely Dan were in the midst of a tour when Walter Becker died. It was his illness which caused him to miss the Classic West Concert. Donald Fagen may have been relying on tour income when it was cut short unexpectantly. That could be why he “jumped straight” into another tour. This is conjecture of course.

travlnman2
02-27-2018, 12:19 AM
Well I think the Eagles broke up in 1977 when Randy left. 2 original members can’t call themselves the Eagles From 1978-2016 it was just Glenn and Don with hired hands. /s.


Bands change lineups all the time. I don’t care honestly what people will think that they view a certain era as legitimate or otherwise but unless the band says they are not Eagles then that is when they are not

I have seen this with.

Lynyrd Sknyrd

Guns N’ Roses(from 1996-2015 and Slash and Duff werent even original members)

AC/DC since the death of Bon Scott. .

Most bands don’t have the same original lineup except ZZ Top which is the only band I follow that has the same people for 40+ years.

I know how to talk to other fans through these circumstancesThis situation is no diffeent(Unless they plan on releasing a new album which then I might need to reconsider) But people can prefere what ever they want I have no problem. I can’t take that right away.

But don’t try and ruin the shows for me. Opinons are always welcome but don’t ruin things by saying you feel sorey for me because I am excited to see the Eagles.

Freypower
02-27-2018, 12:31 AM
There are some remarkable similarities between the history of Steely Dan and the Eagles, but as far as sheer success,popularity and “iconicness”, I don’t know if they’re a good comparison for when a founding member dies. Would Queen be a better example?

You can read how I feel about Queen & Adam Lambert in the Concerts thread.

travlnman2
02-27-2018, 12:35 AM
You can read how I feel about Queen & Adam Lambert in the Concerts thread.


Not directly replying to you. But I apologize if I seem to be angry.

I have been having issues with sleep apnea and I went to see a doctor today. I can’t seem to get any air when I sleep so I don’t really sleep that well and have had a lot of school work.

Freypower
02-27-2018, 12:36 AM
Well I think the Eagles broke up in 1977 when Randy left. 2 original members can’t call themselves the Eagles From 1978-2016 it was just Glenn and Don with hired hands. /s.


Bands change lineups all the time. I don’t care honestly what people will think that they view a certain era as legitimate or otherwise but unless the band says they are not Eagles then that is when they are not

I have seen this with.

Lynyrd Sknyrd

Guns N’ Roses(from 1996-2015 and Slash and Duff werent even original members)

AC/DC since the death of Bon Scott. .

Most bands don’t have the same original lineup except ZZ Top which is the only band I follow that has the same people for 40+ years.

I know how to talk to other fans through these circumstancesThis situation is no diffeent(Unless they plan on releasing a new album which then I might need to reconsider) But people can prefere what ever they want I have no problem. I can’t take that right away.

But don’t try and ruin the shows for me. Opinons are always welcome but don’t ruin things by saying you feel sorey for me because I am excited to see the Eagles.

Nobody is trying to 'ruin' anything for you.

You think this is just another lineup change; OK. I do not see it that way. Why can't you at least accept that?

This is now getting beyond ridiculous.

travlnman2
02-27-2018, 12:37 AM
Nobody is trying to 'ruin' anything for you.

You think this is just another lineup change; OK. I do not see it that way. Why can't you at least accept that?

This is now getting beyond ridiculous.



I have. Read the begining of the post.

Freypower
02-27-2018, 12:39 AM
I have. Read the begining of the post.

You have not accepted that some of us don't see this as just another lineup change.

travlnman2
02-27-2018, 12:41 AM
You have not accepted that some of us don't see this as just another lineup change.





Yes I have. I also made another post just a few above

Freypower
02-27-2018, 12:44 AM
Yes I have. I also made another post just a few above

That's the 'EVERYONE KNOWS THAT' post, is it? It is contradicted by the later post.

I am done with this.

MaryCalifornia
02-27-2018, 12:47 AM
You can read how I feel about Queen & Adam Lambert in the Concerts thread.

Color me shocked, FP! You just went to see them, crazy. I'm glad you tried it and reported back. To me, Brian May touring as "Queen" is more egregious than Don Henley touring as the "Eagles", because Dons own songs make up so much of the nightly set list. I'll have to check to see the numbers in the most recent show.

ETA: From the last couple of shows there were 7 Don songs and 7 Glenn songs, so, an even number, not a majority of Don songs.

sodascouts
02-27-2018, 12:51 AM
It's circular discussion and part of the reason I've stayed off of the boards for a few months.
I would think it would turn people off, and yet it seems there are people who almost solely post in these kind of threads. Indeed, I see several who have been silent of late in positive threads coming out of the woodwork for this thread even as they bemoan the debate.

Delilah
02-27-2018, 12:54 AM
You have not accepted that some of us don't see this as just another lineup change.

If the comments by the non-supporters were restricted to such as this, there wouldn’t be an issue. But I agree with TM2 that some of these posts have been condescending toward the supporters.

My advice to you TM2 is to ignore such comments. If they can’t get over it, it’s their problem, not yours. Don’t let these type of comments ruin your Eagles experience.

travlnman2
02-27-2018, 01:40 AM
That's the 'EVERYONE KNOWS THAT' post, is it? It is contradicted by the later post.

I am done with this.



No its below that after my second one

WalshFan88
02-27-2018, 02:54 AM
But don’t try and ruin the shows for me. Opinons are always welcome but don’t ruin things by saying you feel sorey for me because I am excited to see the Eagles.

Maybe don't put so much stock into internet opinions. If you were going to let someone who doesn't like it and says such "ruin it", and can't overlook it, then it's your problem and not ours. We haven't ruined anything. If you don't like our opinion fine, but we aren't ruining anything here, and you can choose to celebrate with those going in the appropriate thread. I don't feel either side should have to censor themselves but I think it's appropriate to make sure that if you are getting to where you feel someone is raining on your parade, to avoid those threads and stick to the ones that make you excited for your upcoming concert. Because I'm not against those going. But I'm not about to withhold my displeasure...just as I wouldn't ask you to withhold your excitement. Again, in the appropriate threads. When I say I feel sorry, it's not with malice. It's done because I wish those could have seen Glenn and the real Eagles that were lead by him and not just base the band off of what they are now for better or worse. Because with Glenn in the band, they were the best American rock and roll band of all time. Now, IMO, they are a caricature of that. They are trying to be on the same level but they are not.

If saying I feel sorry people didn't get to see Glenn in the band is so bad, then alert the presses because I'm guilty as charged. All I meant was I wish they had seen the band with Glenn so they could for better or worse compare it to the shows they are going to. That's all. It wasn't done maliciously or arrogantly. How you construe it is how you do it, but from my perspective there was nothing bad and I refuse to accept that it was done with a haughtiness or had an uppity meaning. It was done in the right mindset and from a place not of rudeness. I can't control whether you believe me or not, but I'm not the bad guy here.

Notice I didn't say I was sorry for your excitement. That is not what I said or meant.

maryc2130
02-27-2018, 07:54 AM
The way I see it is the thread starter made a comment primarily on the number of shows, and people jumped right in with the same old negative comments. Perhaps my view is skewed, but I am sick to death of this whole discussion. Everyone knows some people are excited about it, and some people think it's not the Eagles and they shouldn't continue.

Can't we move on from this? I've given my views many times (as have most of the others posting on this thread.), and I'm certainly not going to bother giving them again. We're not convincing anyone, and we're not going to. We're just rehashing the same arguments, ad infinitum, IMHO.

sodascouts
02-27-2018, 08:00 AM
It's true there's certainly nothing new to be said.

Travlnman2, I noticed you posted in the tour thread (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7262) about going to a show. Despite your earlier false claim that in every show thread excitement was "Shut down," everyone congratulated you and wished you the best. That was back on Feb. 5, three weeks ago.

Then, a few days ago, this thread gets started. Now you want to claim that people are determined to ruin things for you? Well, they sure waited a while, then!

I can't help but notice how you only posted about your excitement once in the last three weeks (unless I'm missing something) despite the fact that no one was negative to you, but in the past few days, your complaints and angry posts in this thread have risen to the sky.

Maybe you'd feel more excitement if you focused on posting about that instead. Again, no one replied negatively to you in the "anticipation" thread.

I think maybe you should take a step back and be more positive in your own posting habits regarding the shows if you want to feel better about going to them.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-27-2018, 12:37 PM
Regarding the discussion that has come up here regarding whether or not Glenn would have wanted the band to continue - this has also been discussed repeatedly, but was brought up again here, so although most everyone reading this thread has likely already read this as well, I am going to repeat what I wrote in another thread ...



I would have also guessed that Glenn may have expressed his feelings about this too [whether he wished to continue], especially to Cindy. However, I don’t think we can make any assumptions. The only mentions I’ve seen are two statements that Don has made. (I think both to the L.A. Times on two different occasions, but I’m not positive.)

Bringing Deacon in was my idea,” Henley said. “I think of the guild system, which in both Eastern and Western cultures is a centuries-old tradition of the father passing down the trade to his son, and to me, that makes perfect moral and ethical sense. The primary thing is I think Glenn would be good with it — with both of these guys. I think he’d go, ‘That’s the perfect way to do this.’ ”


“People want to hear these songs played live, by the band that recorded them – and not by a tribute band." Henley said. “God knows there are enough of those. And even though it’s not exactly the same band – they want to hear the songs. I think we’re doing it in a highly ethical manner that I think Glenn would approve of.”
So, in both statements, Don says that he thinks Glenn would approve. That tells me he doesn’t know – and I would also think that if Cindy knew what Glenn’s feelings were on the matter, that she would have shared them with Irving and the band. I also noticed that, in both statements, Don asserts what is the ‘ethical’ way of going forward. If he knew Glenn would have approved, he could just say so, and wouldn’t need to offer any other justifications.

Based on many of Glenn’s actions and statements over the years, I tend to believe he would not have wanted the band to continue without him. This has already been discussed here, as well as in the Eagles 3.0 thread, so I’m trying not to rehash the same arguments that have been repeated over and over. However, the truth is we will probably never know for sure what Glenn would have wanted. Having said that, I have no doubt that he would be very proud of his son no matter how he felt about the band carrying on.

I'll just add a few other comments here, Glenn remained pretty consistent about what he thought made the band legitmate, which was also discussed in the other thread. And lastly, to me, if the band had known or even believed that Glenn wanted them to continue, it makes absolutely no sense to me that they would have made all of the statements declaring the band was over up until early 2017.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-27-2018, 12:55 PM
And let's be clear - EVERYONE who posts in this thread contributes to rehashing the same old arguments.

So let's not rehash this juvenile argument of who started it first and who's being the meanest. Both sides are equally responsible for the 10+ pages of discussion in this thread.

I'm sick of this too, but, as moderators, we would have been criticized no matter how we handled this. Even though the topic is beyond tired, most everyone has been respectful this time around. And we have tried to address the ones that were not. So, it serves no purpose to start pointing fingers other than to upset others.

Dawn
02-27-2018, 02:01 PM
All things considered I now believe the band most likely would have continued whether Deacon Frey agreed to join them or not and that once he did agree that's when the addition of a second hire to ease the burden on Deacon's shoulders began in earnest.

Enter Vince Gill.

And the rest as they say is history.

52 play dates and still counting.

MaryCalifornia
02-27-2018, 02:11 PM
OK, I'm bringing this back around to the original topic because the number of shows and how this tour is shaping up is a decent topic, whether you're intending to see them or not. They are coming to my hometown but I'm not planning on going.

As far as number of dates, it looks like it is right in line with previous tours at this point.

With regard to "Especially considering their ages" in the original post. I've seen recent photos of Timothy and Joe and I can say that they are incredibly fit, robust, vibrant men. No doubt that air travel, even private with plush lay-flat beds, will make you sick. But, if anybody knows what it takes to stay healthy and motivated during this type of tour, it is these guys. They have it down to a science, and I'll bet they have more energy and are more healthy than a lot of touring musicians in their 20s.

I also think that having Deacon and Vince Gill in such prominent roles will make the 3 guys have to pay more attention and be more of "band leaders", just to make sure everything is sounding right. Their sound checks will probably have more substantive corrections/fixes. They were probably happy to just get through the first few shows. Now, they'll drill down to make it sound better, they have more time.

Dawn
02-27-2018, 03:42 PM
Like I said earlier, none of my Eagle fan friends are interested in seeing the new lineup but several are wanting to see the guys solo shows which is awesome.

EagleInKansas
02-27-2018, 04:57 PM
I'm seeing the band on consecutive days in St. Louis and Kansas City next month. I hope to get to the Tulsa show in June but may have to pull a few strings to make that happen.

WalshFan88
02-27-2018, 08:13 PM
The way I see it is the thread starter made a comment primarily on the number of shows, and people jumped right in with the same old negative comments. Perhaps my view is skewed, but I am sick to death of this whole discussion. Everyone knows some people are excited about it, and some people think it's not the Eagles and they shouldn't continue.

Can't we move on from this? I've given my views many times (as have most of the others posting on this thread.), and I'm certainly not going to bother giving them again. We're not convincing anyone, and we're not going to. We're just rehashing the same arguments, ad infinitum, IMHO.

My problem with not having these discussions is that it seems unfair. Unless you want all new tour stuff to not be discussed. Otherwise we have anticipation threads and "excitement", and yet nothing for us. It seems a little one sided. I'm personally not okay with just going along with no more discussing those against it while others get to share their excitement and discuss it positively to their heart's content. That seems a little unfair to those of us against it. Either we let both sides say what they want, or none of them. Just letting the celebratory posters post and that's it, seems unfair to those of us against it when I have a big problem with these shows and I feel while those who love it are celebrating, we can say how we feel, no matter how circular and/or redundant it is. It's only fair.

But to allow only positive Eagles 3.0 posts and not negative would be unfair, and I have a problem with unfairness, obviously. I think it would be wrong to do that.

I'll be the first to agree we aren't going to change anyone's minds, but to have celebratory posts and for us to keep to ourselves rubs me the wrong way. I feel if they want to celebrate, we have every right to state our distaste with the shows.

I don't know what the answer is to this honestly, and I think it puts Soda and Dreamer in a tough spot. But I think only letting one side speak about this is not the answer either, and will only lead to me not wanting to post here or feeling like I've been silenced/censored/etc, and I'm not ok with that. Nor should anyone be.

I agree with being sick about this whole discussion, but that goes for the positive/celebratory posts too, regarding 3.0. I think it works both ways...

Freypower
02-27-2018, 08:16 PM
My problem with not having these discussions is that it seems unfair. Unless you want all new tour stuff to not be discussed. Otherwise we have anticipation threads and "excitement", and yet nothing for us. It seems a little one sided. I'm personally not okay with just going along with no more discussing those against it while others get to share their excitement and discuss it positively to their heart's content. That seems a little unfair to those of us against it. Either we let both sides say what they want, or none of them. Just letting the celebratory posters post and that's it, seems unfair to those of us against it when I have a big problem with these shows and I feel while those who love it are celebrating, we can say how we feel, no matter how circular and/or redundant it is. It's only fair.

But to allow only positive Eagles 3.0 posts and not negative would be unfair, and I have a problem with unfairness, obviously. I think it would be wrong to do that.

I'll be the first to agree we aren't going to change anyone's minds, but to have celebratory posts and for us to keep to ourselves rubs me the wrong way. I feel if they want to celebrate, we have every right to state our distaste with the shows.

I don't know what the answer is to this honestly, and I think it puts Soda and Dreamer in a tough spot. But I think only letting one side speak about this is not the answer either, and will only lead to me not wanting to post here or feeling like I've been silenced/censored/etc, and I'm not ok with that. Nor should anyone be.

I agree with being sick about this whole discussion, but that goes for the positive/celebratory posts, too regarding 3.0. I think it works both ways...

We're supposed to post in the 'Legitimate' thread. Sorry, the 'No Legit Eagles' thread. But that's eased off as there are only so many times we can say the same thing.

WalshFan88
02-27-2018, 08:25 PM
We're supposed to post in the 'Legitimate' thread. Sorry, the 'No Legit Eagles' thread. But that's eased off as there are only so many times we can say the same thing.

True. I felt this wasn't supposed to be a positive/celebratory thread. I don't feel this was simply about talking about the number of tour dates or that is was another anticipation thread. I thought it was a open debate thread for both sides.

Regardless, yes, I think some aspects of this apply to 3.0 aka no legit Eagles, but some are new. I just assumed it was a debate thread not for one purpose. Like I see the legitimacy thread meant for negative opinions, and the anticipation and tour thread for positive and celebratory opinions. And I thought this one was supposed to serve both purposes, but maybe not. I didn't see a bias with it. I saw it as being for both sides to debate it and not for any one side. It was different.

Dawn
02-27-2018, 11:05 PM
Going from under 10 concerts for summer/fall 2017 to a full on tour of 52 plus concerts across America is a major undertaking.

WalshFan88
02-27-2018, 11:59 PM
Going from under 10 concerts for summer/fall 2017 to a full on tour of 52 plus concerts across America is a major undertaking.

No doubt.

If there were any doubts that this was going to become a regular thing and that it will be moving on, you have your proof. Irving's gotta keep greasing that wheel.

chaim
02-28-2018, 02:46 AM
Well, at least the "it's only one show" argument we faced constantly in the beginning isn't excpected to silence us anymore, is it? :cool:

OutlawManNJ
02-28-2018, 11:49 AM
The Eagles still touring is disgraceful. Wasnt there a farewell tour already? Then didnt Glen Frey die? This money grab is disgusting with some sad country singer as a member.

OutlawManNJ
02-28-2018, 11:59 AM
I would go see this fake version of the eagles IF tickects were $10 max....but I bet they are charging as much as ever...I mean Donnie Boy needs to make more millions off his fans right.

OutlawManNJ
02-28-2018, 12:12 PM
QUESTION:

If it had been Henley that died, would Frey have continued touring as the Eagles?

OutlawManNJ
02-28-2018, 12:21 PM
WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM with this version of the Eagles:

1- Don Henley's history of being an over the top money hungry guy
2- They had a "Farewell" tour (ie Money Grab scarring fans into thinking they would never tour again) and 15 years later...they are still touring.
3- Vince Gill
4- Vince Gill
5- Vince Gill
6- No Felder. No Bernie. (Wont say no Randy because of his health).
7- Don Henley's arrogance and lies to his fans.
8- Expensive tickets as usual for this charade.
9- Don Henley's fake humility "We are just some guys that only know how to play music, so thats what we do". BS #moneygrab
10- Last but not least No Glen Frey.

YoungEaglesFan
02-28-2018, 03:55 PM
WHY I HAVE A PROBLEM with this version of the Eagles:

1- Don Henley's history of being an over the top money hungry guy
2- They had a "Farewell" tour (ie Money Grab scarring fans into thinking they would never tour again) and 15 years later...they are still touring.
3- Vince Gill
4- Vince Gill
5- Vince Gill
6- No Felder. No Bernie. (Wont say no Randy because of his health).
7- Don Henley's arrogance and lies to his fans.
8- Expensive tickets as usual for this charade.
9- Don Henley's fake humility "We are just some guys that only know how to play music, so thats what we do". BS #moneygrab
10- Last but not least No Glen Frey.

I’ve been staying out but I found this ridiculous and over the top. First off all the farewell tour was admittedly not the end. The band said farewell 1 implied a second farewell. The band was operated year to year. Second Don Felder does not want in nor deserves to be back in the band. Third we don’t know why Bernie is not touring with the band. The ticket prices are a market price. I do not judge people who get paid what they want. You can say don has fake humility but that’s your opinion and I find it to be false. I totally understand when people don’t like the current lineup due to Glenn not being there but you just seem to be a Don hater, and seem totally biased. Any money don will be making will not afford him much comfort in this stage at life. He isn’t able to make enough to radically change his style of living. Any money he makes will go towards his family. That is true for all of them besides maybe Timothy and Vince. Also I don’t think it’s fair to not like this lineup because of Vince Gill. You seem to be motivated by hate and not a love for the band and what is stands for which is what people who are against this lineup on this forum are about. Not you

travlnman2
02-28-2018, 04:19 PM
Farwell 1 was a joke.

'We will be getting to Farwell 2 at some point" -Glenn at the Melbourne show

travlnman2
02-28-2018, 04:22 PM
I’ve been staying out but I found this ridiculous and over the top. First off all the farewell tour was admittedly not the end. The band said farewell 1 implied a second farewell. The band was operated year to year. Second Don Felder does not want in nor deserves to be back in the band. Third we don’t know why Bernie is not touring with the band. The ticket prices are a market price. I do not judge people who get paid what they want. You can say don has fake humility but that’s your opinion and I find it to be false. I totally understand when people don’t like the current lineup due to Glenn not being there but you just seem to be a Don hater, and seem totally biased. Any money don will be making will not afford him much comfort in this stage at life. He isn’t able to make enough to radically change his style of living. Any money he makes will go towards his family. That is true for all of them besides maybe Timothy and Vince. Also I don’t think it’s fair to not like this lineup because of Vince Gill. You seem to be motivated by hate and not a love for the band and what is stands for which is what people who are against this lineup on this forum are about. Not you

:bow: About Bernie. My friend from High School his Step Mother is Bernie's sister. He told me a few years ago that he was thinking of leaving the HOTE tour it was getting really exhausting for him.

Annoying Twit
02-28-2018, 04:37 PM
QUESTION:

If it had been Henley that died, would Frey have continued touring as the Eagles?

I don't think that anyone at all knows that or could ever know that. Even Don Henley clearly didn't know that they would continue after Glenn passed on.

UndertheWire
02-28-2018, 04:44 PM
There's a recent interview with Bill Szymzcyk and the last few minutes are about this version of the band. Essentially Bill was against it thinking it just wasn't right, but after seeing them in Greensboro, he's now ok with it. He also tells a funny story about Vince Gill. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/rockonomics-podcast/id1278270986

Freypower
02-28-2018, 04:44 PM
I’ve been staying out but I found this ridiculous and over the top. First off all the farewell tour was admittedly not the end. The band said farewell 1 implied a second farewell. The band was operated year to year. Second Don Felder does not want in nor deserves to be back in the band. Third we don’t know why Bernie is not touring with the band. The ticket prices are a market price. I do not judge people who get paid what they want. You can say don has fake humility but that’s your opinion and I find it to be false. I totally understand when people don’t like the current lineup due to Glenn not being there but you just seem to be a Don hater, and seem totally biased. Any money don will be making will not afford him much comfort in this stage at life. He isn’t able to make enough to radically change his style of living. Any money he makes will go towards his family. That is true for all of them besides maybe Timothy and Vince. Also I don’t think it’s fair to not like this lineup because of Vince Gill. You seem to be motivated by hate and not a love for the band and what is stands for which is what people who are against this lineup on this forum are about. Not you

I don't see why not. Speaking for myself, the guy means absolutely nothing to me.

I won't address any ofther points raised but I thought it was reasonable to mention that just once.

travlnman2
02-28-2018, 04:50 PM
I don't see why not. Speaking for myself, the guy means absolutely nothing to me.

I won't address any ofther points raised but I thought it was reasonable to mention that just once.


I actually agree with you.

I never heard of Vince Gill untill I saw him at the KCHO. So I am not emotionally bound to him like the other guys.

I still think he fits he band nicely. But I can see why some people don’t care. I mever heard of the guy before

UndertheWire
02-28-2018, 05:08 PM
I don't have any new arguments to put forward, other that it's good to have a thread where both sides can be given rather that strict segregation between for and against. Ideas do not have to be fixed and I think we can all be influenced by heartfelt expressions of an opposing view. I know that my views have softened. It still doesn't feel right but I'm no longer angry.

WalshFan88
02-28-2018, 07:04 PM
Well, at least the "it's only one show" argument we faced constantly in the beginning isn't excpected to silence us anymore, is it? :cool:

Nope!

WalshFan88
02-28-2018, 07:10 PM
I'm not a Vince Gill fan either.

His music does nothing for me (but in fairness, I'm not much for that kind of country anyway) and while he seems to be a likable guy, I didn't care for his eagerness when he was first announced to be in the new lineup. If I were Glenn's friend and fellow musician, I'd say this isn't right and no way am I doing this. I think Vince is talented to be sure, but between his voice/music/playing doing nothing for me, and his interviews when he got the gig, I was very turned off. I've listened to a video of him singing Eagles songs, I was not impressed. I actually think Deacon does a better job in the band, but I still am against it regardless.

YoungEaglesFan
02-28-2018, 07:45 PM
I don't see why not. Speaking for myself, the guy means absolutely nothing to me.

I won't address any ofther points raised but I thought it was reasonable to mention that just once.

Sorry I wasn’t clear enough, you have an understandable view of it but he put down Vince Gill as 3 of his reasons while Glenn was only one. I don’t think Vince Gill is THAT bad if you know what I mean

Ive always been a dreamer
02-28-2018, 08:06 PM
Well, at least the "it's only one show" argument we faced constantly in the beginning isn't excpected to silence us anymore, is it? :cool:

I think it ranks right up there with the 'Glenn is not being replaced' argument. :cool:


I don't have any new arguments to put forward, other that it's good to have a thread where both sides can be given rather that strict segregation between for and against. Ideas do not have to be fixed and I think we can all be influenced by heartfelt expressions of an opposing view. I know that my views have softened. It still doesn't feel right but I'm no longer angry.

UTW - I am not a fan of segregating 'for and against' threads either. It just feels like a contradiction of terms to exclude members from a discussion on a discussion board. However, I think Soda was just trying to stop the constant circular arguing between the two sides of this issue, so I understand why she did it.

I can't really think of an acceptable solution at this point. I just wish we could reach a point where fans could just agree to disagree, but be respectful of each other's views. But, maybe I'm just being naive that this is possible on an online forum. In any event, as I said yesterday, I do think there was some progress made in this thread and members have been more tolerant with a few exceptions.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-28-2018, 08:22 PM
QUESTION:

If it had been Henley that died, would Frey have continued touring as the Eagles?

We may never know, but there is some discussion about this on pages 5 - 10 in this thread. Additional discussion is here (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7347&page=65) if you really are interested. You can judge for yourself.

Freypower
02-28-2018, 09:02 PM
Sorry I wasn’t clear enough, you have an understandable view of it but he put down Vince Gill as 3 of his reasons while Glenn was only one. I don’t think Vince Gill is THAT bad if you know what I mean

Yes, I think that's a fair point. :ziplip:

DiscoStrangler
02-28-2018, 09:28 PM
Well Steely Dan were in the midst of a tour when Walter Becker died. It was his illness which caused him to miss the Classic West Concert. Donald Fagen may have been relying on tour income when it was cut short unexpectantly. That could be why he “jumped straight” into another tour. This is conjecture of course.

Considering Fagen is the voice of Steely Dan, it's no shock that he's touring as such. I saw Fagan & The Nightflyers last year, and most of his set are Steely Dan tunes.

Delilah
02-28-2018, 10:08 PM
I’ve been staying out but I found this ridiculous and over the top. First off all the farewell tour was admittedly not the end. The band said farewell 1 implied a second farewell. The band was operated year to year. Second Don Felder does not want in nor deserves to be back in the band. Third we don’t know why Bernie is not touring with the band. The ticket prices are a market price. I do not judge people who get paid what they want. You can say don has fake humility but that’s your opinion and I find it to be false. I totally understand when people don’t like the current lineup due to Glenn not being there but you just seem to be a Don hater, and seem totally biased. Any money don will be making will not afford him much comfort in this stage at life. He isn’t able to make enough to radically change his style of living. Any money he makes will go towards his family. That is true for all of them besides maybe Timothy and Vince. Also I don’t think it’s fair to not like this lineup because of Vince Gill. You seem to be motivated by hate and not a love for the band and what is stands for which is what people who are against this lineup on this forum are about. Not you

I agree with much of what you say, YEF. I would add that Don supports a number of charities including his own Walden Pond foundation and no doubt he wants to plan for and ensure their financial viability long after he passes.


:bow: About Bernie. My friend from High School his Step Mother is Bernie's sister. He told me a few years ago that he was thinking of leaving the HOTE tour it was getting really exhausting for him.

Thanks for that tidbit of info. Bernie probably hasn’t toured like that since the 70s so that’s not too surprising, even though he seemed to be in the best physical shape of all of them.

Too late I learned he appeared on the “Buddy and Jim Radio Show” (Outlaw Country SiriusXM channel) last summer. It would have been interesting to hear what he had to say, esp. if it had anything to do with the Classic Concerts.

Delilah
02-28-2018, 11:08 PM
There's a recent interview with Bill Szymzcyk and the last few minutes are about this version of the band. Essentially Bill was against it thinking it just wasn't right, but after seeing them in Greensboro, he's now ok with it. He also tells a funny story about Vince Gill. https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/rockonomics-podcast/id1278270986

Thanks for that link, UtW. That was indeed funny about Vince—after watching the HOTE documentary, he decided it would be better not to perform with the remaining Eagles. Lol, I wonder what changed his mind.

Dawn
02-28-2018, 11:32 PM
For me, it's simple. Why not hire two extra touring members to lighten the band's work load -- with 52 plus concerts they can easily afford the added expense if you even want to call it that. Frankly I think it's a "dream team" business strategy/formula that is paying off big time.

I am curious how the pie is being divided up.

WalshFan88
03-01-2018, 02:22 AM
UTW - I am not a fan of segregating 'for and against' threads either. It just feels like a contradiction of terms to exclude members from a discussion on a discussion board. However, I think Soda was just trying to stop the constant circular arguing between the two sides of this issue, so I understand why she did it.

I can't really think of an acceptable solution at this point. I just wish we could reach a point where fans could just agree to disagree, but be respectful of each other's views. But, maybe I'm just being naive that this is possible on an online forum. In any event, as I said yesterday, I do think there was some progress made in this thread and members have been more tolerant with a few exceptions.

I can see where you are coming from, Dreamer. You don't want either side to feel censored or silenced, etc. And you don't want there to be attacks or vitriol either.

The only reason I feel it's better to have two separate threads for both sides is so that the people for it wouldn't have to read ours and maybe would lay off with the complaining or trying to go after our arguments, and then they could have their threads where they feel likeminded people would be discussing it with them and not "ruining" their shows. Which is still baffling as to why that was brought up.

It was certainly a problem in 3.0 where they would try to invalidate our opinions and then would claim we were raining on their parade, yet we mostly stay out of their positive threads. I know that for me, only having a place for positive opinions for the new lineup and no negative opinions would lead me to being very upset. My whole motto is if you don't like something we say in 3.0 - don't read it. It will be easier on you because we, or at least I, have no intention of not discussing it. Now I'm not saying you can't, but I know for me if there is an article or a thread that really upsets me to the point of feeling anger, I'm going to choose to avoid it. Not because I couldn't read it or post in it, but I'm choosing to do something to help keep me sane. It works. I feel while there can be and is debating on the new lineup, I have more of a problem with people taking other's opinions on said debate to task, when none of them are wrong. If that happens, then I'm ok with segregating it. I think subjectivity has it's place and is very much that person's own viewpoint and should be protected from invalidation.

I don't think there is an acceptable solution at this point either. I say let the chips fall where they may. I don't think there is a way to make everyone happy here. People will either learn to ignore things that upset them that are just mere opinions (not attacks, which of course would be worthy of upset), or they will move on from the board. I think the way it's being handled now is fine. You and Soda and the other mods do a great job of keeping the peace. Kudos to you all.

OutlawManNJ
03-01-2018, 03:20 AM
I’ve been staying out but I found this ridiculous and over the top. First off all the farewell tour was admittedly not the end. The band said farewell 1 implied a second farewell. The band was operated year to year. Second Don Felder does not want in nor deserves to be back in the band. Third we don’t know why Bernie is not touring with the band. The ticket prices are a market price. I do not judge people who get paid what they want. You can say don has fake humility but that’s your opinion and I find it to be false. I totally understand when people don’t like the current lineup due to Glenn not being there but you just seem to be a Don hater, and seem totally biased. Any money don will be making will not afford him much comfort in this stage at life. He isn’t able to make enough to radically change his style of living. Any money he makes will go towards his family. That is true for all of them besides maybe Timothy and Vince. Also I don’t think it’s fair to not like this lineup because of Vince Gill. You seem to be motivated by hate and not a love for the band and what is stands for which is what people who are against this lineup on this forum are about. Not you

Im not a Don hater, he is just an ass.

PS: So your conclusion is that anything I said "was wrong or not fair". Whatever you are entitled to be Donnies Fanboy/girl....I just find him an arrogant money hungry jerk that sues people because they have the same name!

I better watch out he might sue me for calling him an ass.

sodascouts
03-01-2018, 07:45 AM
I am not a fan of segregating 'for and against' threads either. It just feels like a contradiction of terms to exclude members from a discussion on a discussion board. However, I think Soda was just trying to stop the constant circular arguing between the two sides of this issue, so I understand why she did it.

I can't really think of an acceptable solution at this point. I just wish we could reach a point where fans could just agree to disagree, but be respectful of each other's views. But, maybe I'm just being naive that this is possible on an online forum. In any event, as I said yesterday, I do think there was some progress made in this thread and members have been more tolerant with a few exceptions.

Yeah, I segregated it because first off, it was no longer serving the purpose it was created for, and secondly, it wasn't a true discussion IMHO - no ideas were being exchanged. It was pretty much the same people restating the same heated opinions with less and less civility.

Well, maybe having multiple threads is the way to go. We can just say now that you can pick what you want. You want to argue about it? Come to this thread. You're pro and you don't like to read negativity? Go to a positive thread. Want to complain without having to listen to the pro-camp scold you and tell you to shut up? Go to the anti-3.0 thread.

Something for everyone.

You don't have to worry anymore that what you read will bring you down, because if you don't like it, you can go to another thread.

I'll change the title to reflect that purpose, after notifying the thread creator.

YoungEaglesFan
03-01-2018, 08:48 AM
Im not a Don hater, he is just an ass.

PS: So your conclusion is that anything I said "was wrong or not fair". Whatever you are entitled to be Donnies Fanboy/girl....I just find him an arrogant money hungry jerk that sues people because they have the same name!

I better watch out he might sue me for calling him an ass.

I found what you said in that comment to be wrong. I don’t think Henley is some evil person. He has numerous fault sure, but I can a list of instances in which he didn’t do what was beneficial to his ego or his wallet

Dawn
03-01-2018, 12:31 PM
Any one here subscribe to Pollstar?

travlnman2
03-01-2018, 12:33 PM
Any one here subscribe to Pollstar?


No why?

Dawn
03-01-2018, 01:43 PM
TM - thanks for your reply.

Pollstar is a great resource but it cost a minimum of
$500 to have access to their subscription only database.

travlnman2
03-01-2018, 07:24 PM
TM - thanks for your reply.

Pollstar is a great resource but it cost a minimum of
$500 to have access to their subscription only database.


I dom’t have a job and i am a full time college student so I don’t have the momey and time to do it

Dawn
03-01-2018, 08:15 PM
No worries TM2, it's primarily for people in the industry and media I believe. I'm just curious how much revenue the band made last year and how much they will make on this tour. 8 concerts to 52 is a big bump. The media has not reported on how much money last summer's The Classics East/West & Northwest made. The Eagles were one of 6 bands for East/West and 1 of 2 for Northwest.

travlnman2
03-01-2018, 11:56 PM
No worries TM2, it's primarily for people in the industry and media I believe. I'm just curious how much revenue the band made last year and how much they will make on this tour. 8 concerts to 52 is a big bump. The media has not reported on how much money last summer's The Classics East/West & Northwest made. The Eagles were one of 6 bands for East/West and 1 of 2 for Northwest.


Well GNR has the 4th highest grossing tour from just the past 2 years. It was freaking amazing and they just kept adding dates plus Axl with AC/DC. I think it would be nice to get into a little bit more on that decison to expand. Maybe they could do a DVD release with extended interviews. They have footage obviously.

tac0mao6
03-02-2018, 11:28 PM
I'm just curious how much revenue the band made last year and how much they will make on this tour. 8 concerts to 52 is a big bump. The media has not reported on how much money last summer's The Classics East/West & Northwest made. The Eagles were one of 6 bands for East/West and 1 of 2 for Northwest.

Dawn — found the info you were looking for
“Pollstar 2017 year end concert revenue” google search
Pollstar info and you don’t have to subscribe to get it
Not able to post a link ..

Classic West and East ranked #4 and 6 in top 20 worldwide festival gross ~33M
Coachella #1 with ~114M

Eagles were #129 on top 200 NA tours 9.9M.
Don H also made the list at #175 6.7M
U2 #1 with 176M

Eagles also made top 200 concert gross at #126 with the 2 Atlanta shows ~3.8M
U2 #1 again

there are links to other reports as well .. interesting reading but those nbrs are
insane :dizzy:

also .. Billboard magazine article from 2016 (quoted by Azoff) notes Eagles earned upwards of 1Billion between 1994-2016 with HFO, LROOE and HOTE tours

Dawn
03-03-2018, 12:37 AM
Dawn — found the info you were looking for
“Pollstar 2017 year end concert revenue” google search
Pollstar info and you don’t have to subscribe to get it
Not able to post a link ..

Classic West and East ranked #4 and 6 in top 20 worldwide festival gross ~33M
Coachella #1 with ~114M

Eagles were #129 on top 200 NA tours 9.9M.
Don H also made the list at #175 6.7M
U2 #1 with 176M

Eagles also made top 200 concert gross at #126 with the 2 Atlanta shows ~3.8M
U2 #1 again

there are links to other reports as well .. interesting reading but those nbrs are
insane :dizzy:

also .. Billboard magazine article from 2016 (quoted by Azoff) notes Eagles earned upwards of 1Billion between 1994-2016 with HFO, LROOE and HOTE tours

You are awesome tac0mao6!!! Thank you so much! I don't know how I missed this info or why I thought one had to be a subscriber but I did. Thanks again, I really appreciate your time and effort to help me out!

Dawn

I wonder if Vince and Deacon are being paid equally. Thoughts anyone?

tac0mao6
03-03-2018, 12:55 AM
I wonder if Vince and Deacon are being paid equally. Thoughts anyone?


you’re welcome Dawn
as for the pie being divvied up evenly? really, really doubt that would ever happen

Dawn
03-03-2018, 01:08 AM
you’re welcome Dawn
as for the pie being divvied up evenly? really, really doubt that would ever happen

Yeah me either but I got to thinking about it and wondering specifically about Deacon.

travlnman2
03-03-2018, 01:26 PM
Yeah me either but I got to thinking about it and wondering specifically about Deacon.

Maybe. I could see him donating what ever he earns to charities Glenn founded

Dawn
03-03-2018, 04:46 PM
What happens if they take Vince Gill or Deacon Frey or even both out of the lineup? I view Deacon on equal footing with Gill. They were both hired to replace Glenn. At the moment they are not official Eagles. They are touring members of the band. Seems like their primary job is sharing lead vocals on Glenn Frey songs in addition to playing guitar and singing harmony parts.

Annoying Twit
03-03-2018, 05:35 PM
I think that the current lineup works as well as we could hope for given the circumstances. I'd prefer that they keep it the same. However, that's their decision, not mine.

Dawn
03-03-2018, 06:00 PM
They have 52 concerts to play with this lineup for this tour. That is hard core, a major commitment. I can not imagine them doing this same routine year after year.

Freypower
03-03-2018, 06:56 PM
What happens if they take Vince Gill or Deacon Frey or even both out of the lineup? I view Deacon on equal footing with Gill. They were both hired to replace Glenn. At the moment they are not official Eagles. They are touring members of the band. Seems like their primary job is sharing lead vocals on Glenn Frey songs in addition to playing guitar and singing harmony parts.

Why are they in the photograph, then?

What else should their roles be?

I would actually say that when I saw that photo, with Deacon & the other guy, as far as I was concerned that was the absolute final straw, the final nail in the coffin in my interest in them & their activities.

Dawn
03-03-2018, 10:10 PM
For me, I lost interest the day Glenn Frey died.

I do remember seeing that promotional publicity photo of Deacon Frey and Vince Gill for the first time and reading the LA Times article about the Eagles (Don Henley) calling on " family & friends" and wondering if this wasn't the beginning of (as one person described it) "the world's greatest Eagles tribute band going on tour".

IIRC in the LA Times interview Don Henley described the upcoming Classics as an "experiment" and more or less implied that whatever happened next would be Azoff's ball.

Personally, I don't know how long the band will continue to tour with Vince Gill and Deacon Frey.

YoungEaglesFan
03-04-2018, 12:53 AM
For me, I lost interest the day Glenn Frey died.

I do remember seeing that promotional publicity photo of Deacon Frey and Vince Gill for the first time and reading the LA Times article about the Eagles (Don Henley) calling on " family & friends" and wondering if this wasn't the beginning (as one person described it) of "the world's greatest Eagles tribute band going on tour".

IIRC in the LA Times interview Don Henley described the upcoming Classics as an "experiment" and more or less implied that whatever happened next would be Azoff's ball.

Personally, I don't know how long the band will continue to tour with Vince Gill and Deacon Frey.

I feel this is the last iteration. For better or worse. I don’t feel they will be touring long enough for them to consider a switch

sodascouts
03-05-2018, 12:30 AM
IIRC in the LA Times interview Don Henley described the upcoming Classics as an "experiment" and more or less implied that whatever happened next would be Azoff's ball.


Ugh, don't remind me of all the BS we were fed back then. Looking back now, I feel so played.

We now know they were making plans much earlier than they admitted, although I'm sure they would characterize them as simply "tentative." The only thing that would have stopped it would have been lack of ticket sales, or the admission that Glenn was too important to the band for them to legitimately continue without him, but it was apparent early on that those concerns had been swept aside. Still, they pretended to be uncertain about continuing, even as the venues and dates were being lined up behind the scenes.

I find the disingenuous interviews they did during the months before and after the Classics absolutely contemptible.

sodascouts
03-05-2018, 12:51 AM
Im not a Don hater, he is just an ass.

PS: So your conclusion is that anything I said "was wrong or not fair". Whatever you are entitled to be Donnies Fanboy/girl....I just find him an arrogant money hungry jerk that sues people because they have the same name!

I better watch out he might sue me for calling him an ass.

Legal action notwithstanding, the name-calling isn't necessary.

By the way, if anyone is curious as to what OMNJ is referring to regarding Don Henley suing someone because he had the same name, it's this domain name issue: https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4144

There was no actual lawsuit, happily.

NightMistBlue
03-05-2018, 12:42 PM
Is it true that Will Henley is now playing in the touring band? How old is the boy? Thank you.

shunlvswx
03-05-2018, 12:52 PM
Is it true that Will Henley is now playing in the touring band? How old is the boy? Thank you.

I think so from what I've seen. I have no idea if he's doing the whole tour or some dates. He just turned 20 last month.

Dawn
03-05-2018, 12:55 PM
The only thing that would have stopped it would have been lack of ticket sales, or the admission that Glenn was too important to the band for them to legitimately continue.

There is one other thing. Well, actually two.

Timothy and Joe.

Dawn
03-05-2018, 01:04 PM
Is it true that Will Henley is now playing in the touring band? How old is the boy? Thank you.

SIGH

NightMistBlue
03-05-2018, 01:10 PM
I think so from what I've seen. I have no idea if he's doing the whole tour or some dates. He just turned 20 last month.

Thank you, Miss Shun. I'm not able to share it here due to my own technical shortcomings, but apparently the lad said on Instagram, "Surreal past few weeks playing with these guys. Here's to the next 16."

MaryCalifornia
03-05-2018, 01:28 PM
16 what, weeks? Will Henley is playing with the band? In rehearsals? I'm so confused.

Oh, I just saw the pic on Instgram - he's gone public. He used to be private and let me follow him, but it was so boring I unfollowed haha sorry Will, you're a doll! It looks like he's way off stage right, almost in the wings, definitely in the shadows, playing guitar. He makes guitar player #7 on this song, whatever it is... is Henley wearing a backwards ballcap? Rehearsal.

I'm not sure that we're supposed to share the kids' social media posts on here, even if they are public. Well, once they play with the band they're fair game, I'd think...

In a private enterprise like this, I'm all for nepotism - good for Don and his son, how fun!

shunlvswx
03-05-2018, 01:43 PM
16 what, weeks? Will Henley is playing with the band? In rehearsals? I'm so confused.

Oh, I just saw the pic on Instgram - he's gone public. He used to be private and let me follow him, but it was so boring I unfollowed haha sorry Will, you're a doll! It looks like he's way off stage right, almost in the wings, definitely in the shadows, playing guitar. He makes guitar player #7 on this song, whatever it is... is Henley wearing a backwards ballcap? Rehearsal.

I'm not sure that we're supposed to share the kids' social media posts on here, even if they are public. Well, once they play with the band they're fair game, I'd think...

In a private enterprise like this, I'm all for nepotism - good for Don and his son, how fun!

That's why I didn't share anything. I kinda notice for a couple of weeks that maybe Will will be playing in the touring band, but of course I kept it to myself since its the Eagles' children especially the ones that are not in the public eye.

Even though some of the Eagles children's instagram pages are public, I don't say anything that goes on on their pages. I saw someone post about this on facebook this morning which I was surprised it was posted, but I guess its ok since we'll be seeing Will at the shows.

He probably will be touring with them for 16 weeks. Don did say Will was taking a year off before he started college and he's been at a couple of the shows last year. He's probably going to college this year or it maybe next year.

I think that is Don with the backward ball cap. The guy next to him is a little taller which is probably Deacon. It looks like Vince has switched places with Timothy and he's now at the end.

travlnman2
03-05-2018, 01:45 PM
Wait so the band uses off stage musicians?

shunlvswx
03-05-2018, 01:49 PM
Wait so the band uses off stage musicians?

I don't think they do. They already have a lot of guitar players and keyboardist. I don't think he's in the wing. He's probably on the stage where you can see him, but not in the action.

MaryCalifornia
03-05-2018, 02:11 PM
They definitely used an off-stage musician during the HoTE tour, for the mandolin on Saturday Night. That was the song, right? Not trusting my memory...

shunlvswx
03-05-2018, 02:25 PM
It was probably either Steuart or Bernie playing that part. I think majority of the touring band were off stage (probably still on stage, but didn't see them) during those few early songs in the set as they were just focused on the guys.

I think I had confused myself about playing off stage. I thought travlnman2 was talking about a musician who was not part of the regular touring musician who was playing off stage. I guess Will count as off stage if he's not visible on stage.

Dawn
03-05-2018, 02:35 PM
The Mother Ship just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

FWIW

I don't know how many kids Azoff has but I believe some work in the family business as does (or did) his wife.

shunlvswx
03-05-2018, 03:20 PM
The Mother Ship just keeps getting bigger and bigger.

FWIW

I don't know how many kids Azoff has but I believe some work in the family business as does (or did) his wife.

I think he and Shelli have 4 children. I found a picture of the Azoff on stage with the Eagles in 2011 when Irving and Shelli got an award. I think their youngest son is a musician and photographer.

YoungEaglesFan
03-05-2018, 03:28 PM
Yeah I was wondering why Don had a backwards hat on. Not a usual look for him lol. I was also suprised that Will was playing guitar as well but it being a rehearsal makes sense. It must have been the osprey concert. I figure they must have been playing best of my love with the acoustic guitars but I’m not sure if Vince and Steuart were playing electric or not. It’s very cool for will and Deacon to be involved. It’s unfortunate that Glenn and Deacon can’t share this moment that don and will can. Maybe the extensive tour has to do with Don wanting will to get some experience or just bonding time? I remember him talking about wanting to spend soon with his kids so I figured there must have been a reason besides money he wanted to tour this much.

YoungEaglesFan
03-05-2018, 03:32 PM
It does seem that Deacon and will are friends. It would be really cool if they could do their own thing. I doubt it as I’m not sure Will wants to do music as his profession and Deacon is more into hip hop but who knows

shunlvswx
03-05-2018, 04:37 PM
I think all the Eagles children are close to each other since probably would see each other a lot on tour when school's out and you practically grew up with them.

I think I remembered Don saying in an interview that Will wanted to make movies.

Here's what Don said at the Runaway Tour last year. This is from HoutstonBaby's recap. https://eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7099&page=4


Question #28: A lady who did not say where she was from. She wanted to know since Will (Don’s son) had played on Cass County if he was going to choose to be a musician as his career. Don replied he didn’t know. On one hand, he didn’t want him to live in his shadow. On the other hand, Don said Will is a very good musician. Don continued - Unfortunately, the music business is not the same. You don’t get paid for songs really, it’s fractions of cents. It’s very difficult to make money at it. In addition, when Don was growing up, there were places to play, Elks Lodge, frat parties, etc, and now there isn’t. Will’s not sure he wants to be in the business. He told Will that if he wants to do it for fun and joy, that was fine. It was why he got into it. And to get the girls… (BIG smile) He’s not pushing him to do it for a career. Perhaps he’d join Deacon and carry on that legacy, but he wouldn’t want them to be locked into playing their fathers’ songs but perhaps they could write some of their own to go with the legacy songs, that would work. He wants him to have a creative career and not just be a ‘jukebox’. He’s just graduated from high school, and he’s taking a ‘gap’ year. They’ll travel around some and see the world. Don said that if he wants to be a musician, that was fine with him, and he’d give him a lot of advice. Though he won’t listen. (laughter)

Freypower
03-05-2018, 06:13 PM
Is it true that Will Henley is now playing in the touring band? How old is the boy? Thank you.

As this has just appeared out of nowhere, perhaps some background information can be given. I don't use Instagram.

Is the (apparent?) inclusion of Will Henley the first admission that Deacon & the other guy weren't enough to fill in the gap?

In any case, I thought Will Henley played drums?

I would appreciate some clarification & then I can withdraw again.

EagleInKansas
03-05-2018, 06:27 PM
Not sure what "gap" you're referring to. If those two performers weren't adequate in their spots, they wouldn't continue to tour with the rest of the band.

There is no official confirmation that Will Henley is in the band. At best, he looks to be in line for a spot in the backing band along with Will Hollis, Scott Crago, Michael Thompson, etc. Will Henley also plays guitar, if his Instagram photo is to be believed.

I'm not trying to start an argument here because I know many are adamantly opposed, but it seems overwhelmingly obvious that, outside of the name, this band is not trying to be the Eagles. Nor are they trying to cause others to mistake them for the Eagles.

This is a different thing. They have Eagles members singing Eagles songs, but the identity is completely different. Adding Henley's son, I believe, contributes to the more whimsical nature of the whole thing.

Freypower
03-05-2018, 06:40 PM
Not sure what "gap" you're referring to. If those two performers weren't adequate in their spots, they wouldn't continue to tour with the rest of the band.

There is no official confirmation that Will Henley is in the band. At best, he looks to be in line for a spot in the backing band along with Will Hollis, Scott Crago, Michael Thompson, etc. Will Henley also plays guitar, if his Instagram photo is to be believed.

I'm not trying to start an argument here because I know many are adamantly opposed, but it seems overwhelmingly obvious that, outside of the name, this band is not trying to be the Eagles. Nor are they trying to cause others to mistake them for the Eagles.

This is a different thing. They have Eagles members singing Eagles songs, but the identity is completely different. Adding Henley's son, I believe, contributes to the more whimsical nature of the whole thing.

Then they should have changed the name. However, it's interesting to see one of the strongest supporters of this now trying to justify it by saying 'they're not the Eagles'. If even a supporter of it now admits this, I have no compunction any more about calling them what I see them as: a glorfied tribute band.

However thank you for your clarification.

shunlvswx
03-05-2018, 06:58 PM
As this has just appeared out of nowhere, perhaps some background information can be given. I don't use Instagram.

Is the (apparent?) inclusion of Will Henley the first admission that Deacon & the other guy weren't enough to fill in the gap?

In any case, I thought Will Henley played drums?

I would appreciate some clarification & then I can withdraw again.

He plays drums and guitar. Chris Holt who was in Don's solo band, was his guitar teacher before he joined Don's solo band.

This kinda did appeared out of nowhere, but in his pictures and (mostly videos) he was kinda hinting of doing something musically, but he really wasn't hinting that he will be on tour with the band. He was at some rehearsals, but I thought he might be hanging with his dad. I had notice he had an ear monitor box with his name on it in one video. I had a feeling then, but I thought he was going around doing club shows.

I see him more being part of the backup band like Will, Steuart, Scott, and Michael then up front with his father and the other guys.

EagleInKansas
03-05-2018, 07:22 PM
FP, I am not at all saying that they're not the Eagles. They most certainly are the only Eagles we have. I have never not called this band the Eagles. I'm saying that I don't think they're presenting themselves as the same as the version of the Eagles that included Glenn or one they feel should be compared to that. I did not at all mean that they're not legitimate or that I don't wholeheartedly support what they're doing, because I most certainly do. I just meant that I don't believe this version of the Eagles is designed to add to or affect their "legacy," if that makes sense.

YoungEaglesFan
03-05-2018, 07:29 PM
As this has just appeared out of nowhere, perhaps some background information can be given. I don't use Instagram.

Is the (apparent?) inclusion of Will Henley the first admission that Deacon & the other guy weren't enough to fill in the gap?

In any case, I thought Will Henley played drums?

I would appreciate some clarification & then I can withdraw again.

The context I’m aware of is that Will has been traveling with the band at the classic dates, and the evening concerts, and some of the HOTE tour. He has posted pictures backstage and from the crowd. I don’t know where him being part of the backing band came from, I haven’t seen any part of that. But there is a picture of him at the osprey where he was next to Vince and all of them were playing guitar during a rehearsal. But still not live concert. I personally think it meant he was just going Be part of the tour but not actually perform. But maybe he is excited because maybe he will finally be a part of it?

Delilah
03-05-2018, 07:38 PM
It was probably either Steuart or Bernie playing that part. I think majority of the touring band were off stage (probably still on stage, but didn't see them) during those few early songs in the set as they were just focused on the guys.


According to Bob Seger, it was Bernie playing the mandolin.


As this has just appeared out of nowhere, perhaps some background information can be given. I don't use Instagram.

Is the (apparent?) inclusion of Will Henley the first admission that Deacon & the other guy weren't enough to fill in the gap?


I think it’s a stretch to assume Will is being brought in for that reason. Chances are this is the last major tour the band will ever go on and it’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Will to experience something like this firsthand. As someone else said, he’s probably going to play something in the background. At any rate, we’ll have a clearer picture in one more week about what his role will be.

I understand you resent “the other guy” for supposedly “replacing” Glenn but can we not pretend he’s some talentless unknown hack who needs help from a 20 year-old boss’s son who’s barely a musician?

Freypower
03-05-2018, 08:01 PM
According to Bob Seger, it was Bernie playing the mandolin.



I think it’s a stretch to assume Will is being brought in for that reason. Chances are this is the last major tour the band will ever go on and it’s a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Will to experience something like this firsthand. As someone else said, he’s probably going to play something in the background. At any rate, we’ll have a clearer picture in one more week about what his role will be.

I understand you resent “the other guy” for supposedly “replacing” Glenn but can we not pretend he’s some talentless unknown hack who needs help from a 20 year-old boss’s son who’s barely a musician?

I have implied no such thing. I have never cast aspersions on the man's talent; I know nothing about him. It must of couurse be conceded that he has more professional experience than both Frey Jr & Henley Jr.

But don't give me the 'supposedly' stuff, please.

Delilah
03-05-2018, 09:15 PM
I have implied no such thing. I have never cast aspersions on the man's talent; I know nothing about him. It must of couurse be conceded that he has more professional experience than both Frey Jr & Henley Jr.

But don't give me the 'supposedly' stuff, please.

Ok, if I misunderstood your comment I apologize and stand corrected. There have been some unfair (and ridiculous) shots taken at Vince Gill when all he’s done is accept a position with one of the world’s most famous and lucrative bands.

In my view he’s not replacing Glenn b/c he’s not a co-leader with Henley, he’s not the new frontman, he doesn’t talk or joke much on stage, he doesn’t introduce anyone, etc. I don’t know what his role backstage is but I doubt he’s planning the setlist or directing the other band members/backing musicians.

He sings a few of Glenn’s songs plus one of Randy’s. I’m not even sure he plays any of Glenn’s guitar parts.

Dawn
03-05-2018, 09:32 PM
So I gotta ask --- who else in the Junior Eagles Family & Friends could be joining the tour?

MaryCalifornia
03-05-2018, 09:46 PM
If they add another kid it should be Jeddrah. She has done what those fans who don't think this version of the Eagles is legitimate say that Deacon should be doing - striking out on his own and not riding his dad's coattails.

"The long awaited follow up to her successful debut, "If These Shoes Could Talk", unleashes a well-developed band with an edgier sound, memorable hooks and emotionally charged lyrics. The enhanced CD also includes the music video for the single, "Maybe." Singer/songwriter Jeddrah Schmit grew up backstage watching her father, Timothy B. Schmit, playing bass for The Eagles. Jeddrah's lifelong immersion into music created by some of the finest musicians in history has certainly effected her sense of song craft and lyrical substance. The Los Angeles Music Awards has presented Jeddrah with awards for "Best Independent Marketing," "Best Female Singer/Songwriter" and "Pop Album Of The Year." Music Connection Magazine has included Jeddrah in their annual Hot 100 Unsigned Bands list for three years running, with reviews calling Jeddrah "...a high energy band that gives you the feeling they simply decided to throw a party for their friends and chose a venue as a location." They have also received airplay on influential Los Angeles Alternative radio station, KROQ"

https://store.cdbaby.com/cd/jed2

And she still sings professionally, backing Hank Linderman at a show as recently as January.

buffyfan145
03-05-2018, 10:00 PM
That's interesting about Will. Do wonder what exactly his role could be too if that is what's happening.

Freypower
03-05-2018, 11:21 PM
Ok, if I misunderstood your comment I apologize and stand corrected. There have been some unfair (and ridiculous) shots taken at Vince Gill when all he’s done is accept a position with one of the world’s most famous and lucrative bands.

In my view he’s not replacing Glenn b/c he’s not a co-leader with Henley, he’s not the new frontman, he doesn’t talk or joke much on stage, he doesn’t introduce anyone, etc. I don’t know what his role backstage is but I doubt he’s planning the setlist or directing the other band members/backing musicians.

He sings a few of Glenn’s songs plus one of Randy’s. I’m not even sure he plays any of Glenn’s guitar parts.

This is semantics.

Of course neither Gill nor Deacon Frey are replacing Glenn in a literal sense. How could they? But they are standing where he stood & singing his songs. Ergo they have replaced him.

Freypower
03-05-2018, 11:24 PM
FP, I am not at all saying that they're not the Eagles. They most certainly are the only Eagles we have. I have never not called this band the Eagles. I'm saying that I don't think they're presenting themselves as the same as the version of the Eagles that included Glenn or one they feel should be compared to that. I did not at all mean that they're not legitimate or that I don't wholeheartedly support what they're doing, because I most certainly do. I just meant that I don't believe this version of the Eagles is designed to add to or affect their "legacy," if that makes sense.

This just reinforces how utterly unnecessary the entire thing is. Oh no, they're not the Eagles, but they're this version of the Eagles, so that's alright then. They have nothing to do with the legacy of the Eagles but they're legitimate.

If people want to twist the language around so that they can justify this to themselves, fair enough. I see it from the opposite perspective.

EagleInKansas
03-06-2018, 12:02 AM
There's nothing I need to justify. I like it. I support it. I make no apologies for that nor for my literal lifetime of Eagles fandom that negates any need to justify how I proceed with that fandom following Glenn's death. I have put a lifetime of love, passion, enthusiasm, attention, dedication, loyalty and financial resources into supporting the Eagles. My fandom is beyond reproach. I will stop "twisting language" in order to find common ground from now on and communicate explicitly. No justification necessary.

chaim
03-06-2018, 05:08 AM
Referring to a comment a couple of pages back...As far as I know Gill didn't just accept an offer. Didn't his management contact Eagles' management to offer his services?

UndertheWire
03-06-2018, 06:06 AM
Returning to the subject of Don's son touring with this band, I'm thinking the precedent was set during the HFO tour when Don Felder's son worked backstage and ended up playing (was it sax?). I can see the appeal for Don Henley. He gets to share the experience of performing in front of a huge audience with his own son and he gets to spend some of his downtime with him. Don's already had one of his daughters on tour (for a solo tour but maybe she's along for this one, too). Increasing the number of young people around may make it feel less of a dinosaur tour.

WKMB55
03-06-2018, 02:13 PM
Timothy's daughter, Jeddrah, has a beautiful voice. Personally if they are going to start including their children, I would love to see her on stage with the band. I think his son, Ben, also played guitar and drums on a song or two on the Expando album. Joe's daughter, Lucy, used to do some singing/songwriting. I'm not sure that she still does or if she has chosen acting instead. Totally off topic-----I was happy to learn that Hank Linderman who has been an important asset to Timothy's solo career has decided to run fo political office in his home state of Kentucky. I got the chance to talk with him briefly after a couple of Timothy's solo shows. He is a nice person. For better or worse....depending on your opinion of the tour....the band has certainly made some unexpected decisions that I don't think anyone could have anticipated.

Dawn
03-06-2018, 05:34 PM
Surely I am not the only one who believes the band will never stop touring?

With or without Vince Gill. Or Deacon Frey.

shunlvswx
03-06-2018, 05:54 PM
Surely I am not the only one who believes the band will never stop touring?

With or without Vince Gill. Or Deacon Frey.

No, you're not the only one. I don't see them stop touring anytime soon either. I would say "maybe" two more years. Joe said 5 in an interview, but I don't think their voices can hold up that much longer. Its already starting to take its toll. I don't see them touring 'til they are almost 80.

As for Deacon and Vince. With Deacon. I say yes. Without Vince. Probably yes. Either Vince will leave on his own (which I doubt it) or they don't need him anymore. I'm thinking it will be more the latter.

sodascouts
03-06-2018, 11:52 PM
If Will Henley can sing, maybe they can just stick him in there and have him do a couple of Eagles songs as well. Anything goes now!

How far down will the name "Eagles" be dragged? How much more of a farce will these shows become? Only time will tell.

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 12:03 AM
If Will Henley can sing, maybe they can just stick him in there and have him do a couple of Eagles songs as well. Anything goes now!

How far down will the name "Eagles" be dragged? How much more of a farce will these shows become? Only time will tell.

I highly doubt this is what this is turning into.

WalshFan88
03-07-2018, 02:13 AM
OMG...so now Don's son is playing with them too? Ugh.

They need to call it "3 Eagles, Two Sons, and a Country Crooner (who sounds nothing like Glenn Frey)".

It truly is "Family and Friends" now...

On another note, I see that Lynyrd Skynyrd is on a farewell tour. They're down to one original and he's in bad health so instead of continuing the band, they are putting that baby to bed before something happens to Gary. Good on them.

WalshFan88
03-07-2018, 02:17 AM
If Will Henley can sing, maybe they can just stick him in there and have him do a couple of Eagles songs as well. Anything goes now!

How far down will the name "Eagles" be dragged? How much more of a farce will these shows become? Only time will tell.

Yep. It truly is comical now just what has taken place. They might as well start having a round of their favorite artists and their semi-talented kids show up on different nights to do different stuff. Just make it a jam band and open it up so that everyone can (try to) sing Glenn's parts. Before long, at this rate, they'll start having open mic night. :rofl: It would be funny if it weren't true. It could be.

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 09:06 AM
Yep. It truly is comical now just what has taken place. They might as well start having a round of their favorite artists and their semi-talented kids show up on different nights to do different stuff. Just make it a jam band and open it up so that everyone can (try to) sing Glenn's parts. Before long, at this rate, they'll start having open mic night. :rofl: It would be funny if it weren't true. It could be.

I don’t see the slippery slope here. Will Henley has been traveling with the band since HOTE. Him being in the backup band has been done before. It’s not that crazy. Glenn himself even poked fun at it when he performed with Deacon calling it “nepotism incorporated”.

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 09:11 AM
The only proof we have this happening is on Instagram post and it was shown with him way off to the right, pretty much off the stage strumming a guitar with no microphone. I know his son plays drums, he will probably help there. They don’t need more guitars. I haven’t seen Don talk about his singing ability. It was never a surprise these guys loved there kids and when towards the end of their lives they want to spend time with them. I can’t stand such a negative reaction to that. I get not supporting them touring but this is a good moment for all them involved

EagleInKansas
03-07-2018, 10:29 AM
Come on, YEF, everybody knows that a kid who posts innocuous Instagram photos of himself hanging out with his happens-to-be-a-celebrity dad deserves to be dragged into a tired argument about how gracefully a 70-year-old is handling the end of his own five-decade career. You should know better than to expect adults not to attack the children of their once-loved musicians. Deacon and Will are just riding their dads' coattails, after all. Save your reason and empathy for a group of people who are interested in entertaining it.

EagleInKansas
03-07-2018, 10:35 AM
OMG...so now Don's son is playing with them too? Ugh.

They need to call it "3 Eagles, Two Sons, and a Country Crooner (who sounds nothing like Glenn Frey)".

It truly is "Family and Friends" now...

On another note, I see that Lynyrd Skynyrd is on a farewell tour. They're down to one original and he's in bad health so instead of continuing the band, they are putting that baby to bed before something happens to Gary. Good on them.

Surprised Skynyrd didn't hire you as their manager long ago, WF. You clearly know what's best for them. I'd call Irving today and see if you can begin advising the Eagles. Time for those old guys to wrap it up too, eh?

And it's strange that you're complaining about Vince's sound-a-like ability. You don't want Glenn replaced, but if he is it should be by an absolute carbon copy? Bizarre opinion. But it's on me for expecting any consistency or sense. Carry on. Make that call.

Annoying Twit
03-07-2018, 11:11 AM
I can't see any problem with children of Eagles members becoming involved with the band and performing. When it happens with other bands, fans often really like it. At least the bands I follow. And Deacon has pretty much saved Eagles by stepping in, and given us this new era (which is what it is becoming.)

Dawn
03-07-2018, 11:40 AM
So what we have here is a brand new era of decades old Eagles music being performed by friends and family with special guests Don Henley, Joe Walsh & Timothy B Schmit?

Distorted Reality at premium ticket prices.

And fans are supposed to be grateful?

Forgive me. Not this one.

Annoying Twit
03-07-2018, 11:41 AM
To say that Don, Tim, and Joe are 'special guests' is just an example of the hyperbole which simply doesn't match reality.

If there really was anything wrong with what is happening, then there wouldn't be any need to twist the truth and make things up.

Dawn
03-07-2018, 11:59 AM
To say that Don, Tim, and Joe are 'special guests' is just an example of the hyperbole which simply doesn't match reality.

If there really was anything wrong with what is happening, then there wouldn't be any need to twist the truth and make things up..

Sorry AT you can't have it both ways. Deacon pretty much saved the Eagles. Your words.

UndertheWire
03-07-2018, 12:11 PM
What are the issues?

1) Should a version of the band continue to play without Glenn?

2) High ticket prices.

3) Should they have backup musicians, off-stage musicians, backing tracks in order to them sound good live?

4) Should they give special opportunities to their children?

The first has been done to death. I'm not keen on the idea but it doesn't hurt me if they do. People close to the band and to Glenn have come around to the idea, so who am I to object? I just don't feel a strong desire to see this version.

They charge what people will pay. I don't have to have to buy tickets and this is where a lack of desire to see them works for me.

They've been using extra musicians since the late seventies. It allows them to play music that they couldn't if it was just the "Eagles". In the 70s, they could pull most of it off with just four of them, but with age comes wear and tear on voices, fingers and backs. If they want to maintain quality, they need help. There's nothing more sad than seeing a once-famous performer who no longer has a voice. We hope they are honest by showing us who is there to help, otherwise it's just a bunch of old guys pretending.

It's essentially a family firm and the owners can bring in members of their families to give them work experience. Again, that started back in the 70s, continued with the HFO tour and looks like it will happen now. Maybe it's not fair to those who don't have family connections, but what business is?

The part I'm interested in is whether it will be any different. This time, there's no new album or documentary to give them a theme and playing the same hits but with Deacon/Vince instead of Glenn seems uninspired.

Annoying Twit
03-07-2018, 12:32 PM
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Sorry AT you can't have it both ways. Deacon pretty much saved the Eagles. Your words.

That doesn't match your characterisation. He didn't save them by taking them over or becoming more important than Don, Tim, and Joe.

Dawn
03-07-2018, 12:54 PM
Come on AT, "saving them" implies the band could not/might not have survived without him. What about Vince Gill? Who did he save?

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 12:58 PM
So what we have here is a brand new era of decades old Eagles music being performed by friends and family with special guests Don Henley, Joe Walsh & Timothy B Schmit?

Distorted Reality at premium ticket prices.

And fans are supposed to be grateful?

Forgive me. Not this one.

There are TWO family members. Deacon sings 3 songs, Will will not sing any and will probably just be in the background if he is even playing an instrument. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what will is doing. That is my opinion had Glenn been alive. I get not liking what Deacon is doing but what will is doing is not at a issue. The reality is 3/4 of the lineup is still there. It is absurd to insinuate the eagles are the guests now. Ticket prices are up in so many types of business. Sports fans often complain about their prices, same for music. It’s just an economic reality. I don’t think you have to be grateful but this is just ridiculous. I am perfectly accepting of the anti 3.0 lineup group as long as they say things like this

Annoying Twit
03-07-2018, 01:08 PM
Come on AT, "saving them" implies the band could not/might not have survived without him. What about Vince Gill? Who did he save?

That doesn't in any way make him more important than Don, Tim, and Joe. Just that Deacon provided something that the band needed to allow it to continue. Note: something here is a deliberately vague description as I'm not sure exactly what that something is.

Vince Gill is useful, but there are plenty of other people who could play his role.

I don't think that the band would have continued without Deacon. And from what Don H has said, particularly from the time when he seemed to think that the band couldn't reasonably continue, I don't think I'm just making this up.

OutlawManNJ
03-07-2018, 01:16 PM
$850 tickets for the best seats....what a rip off!!! Henley must be up there looking ta the front row thinking "Suckers!". Not even with Glen in the band should someone waste $850 to see the band play in their 70's.

MaryCalifornia
03-07-2018, 01:39 PM
Easy there OMNJ, you're talking to the precise group of fans who paid MORE than that, on a regular basis, to be in the front row. This board is made up of those people. Guess you think they're idiots for choosing how to spend their money and make a weekend out of seeing their beloved band.

travlnman2
03-07-2018, 01:41 PM
Easy there OMNJ, you're talking to the precise group of fans who paid MORE than that, on a regular basis, to be in the front row. This board is made up of those people. Guess you think they're idiots for choosing how to spend their money and make a weekend out of seeing their beloved band.

Looking at his post history I don't think he is a real fan. Just ignore him

MaryCalifornia
03-07-2018, 01:42 PM
The tour schedule is so organized and precise! How do the get the venues booked so it works out this way? I guess it's what all bands do...

March - 8 shows then 2-week break

April - 8 shows then 2-week break

May - 8 shows then month long break

June - 6 shows then 2-week break

July - 8 shows then 2-week break

August - OFF

September - 7 shows then 2-week break

October - 8 shows (including just-added second show at MSG)

Ive always been a dreamer
03-07-2018, 01:54 PM
First of all, let me caution folks AGAIN that name-calling and personal attacks are disrespectful and against our Terms of Service … and can earn you a strike. So, to anyone who wants to participate in the discussion here, please don’t go there.

Now, with regard to the recent development about Will possibly joining the band, I certainly don't mean anything against Will personally. The objection I have is that it is just one more step towards the band becoming a shadow of its former self. Some may think it is ethical to continue even though, as Henley put it, “it’s not exactly the same band” as long as there is family blood, but not me. It seems to me that it doesn’t matter anymore who is up on the stage as long as it’s named ‘Eagles’. By replacing Glenn, the precedent has now been set and, over time, this can evolve into the ‘Eagles’ without any former members as long as there is money to be made. So, it’s not inconceivable that at sometime in the future, we’ll have an ‘Eagles’ line-up with – oh, I dunno – Deacon Frey, Will Henley, Lucy Walsh, Leah Felder, and Jeddrah Schmit. Of course, if you don’t like these players, insert the name of the family members of your choice.

So – if this doesn’t tarnish the legacy of the band, I don’t know what will. The bands with the greatest legacies seemed to understand the words of Don’s mentor, Kenny Rogers – “you got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em”.

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 01:59 PM
My problem is people taking Will Henley possibly stepping in the BACKUP band and running with it so far to believe an all “junior eagles” lineup will happen. I don’t think that will happen first of all, secondly it wouldn’t be the Eagles, they would do their own thing. People need to appreciate the fact that will is only 20 as his dad is 70. He doesn’t have much time left with his father. There is nothing wrong with what will is doing. Deacon is a different story as he is actually replacing someone, will should be above criticism in this situation

travlnman2
03-07-2018, 02:01 PM
My problem is people taking Will Henley possibly stepping in the BACKUP band and running with it so far to believe an all “junior eagles” lineup will happen. I don’t think that will happen first of all, secondly it wouldn’t be the Eagles, they would do their own thing. People need to appreciate the fact that will is only 20 as his dad is 70. He doesn’t have much time left with his father. There is nothing wrong with what will is doing. Deacon is a different story as he is actually replacing someone, will should be above criticism in this situation


Exactly. No one said that hew as joining like Vince and Deacon.


Will is probably going to be like Steuart and Scott.


No need to be so afraid

Ive always been a dreamer
03-07-2018, 02:15 PM
So its okayfor Zeppelin to do it?

I'm not going to rehash this because you, obviously, didn't take anything from the discussion you started over several pages earlier in this thread. As was pointed out then, it is not an analagous comparison on any level.


My problem is people taking Will Henley possibly stepping in the BACKUP band and running with it so far to believe an all “junior eagles” lineup will happen. I don’t think that will happen first of all, secondly it wouldn’t be the Eagles, they would do their own thing. People need to appreciate the fact that will is only 20 as his dad is 70. He doesn’t have much time left with his father. There is nothing wrong with what will is doing. Deacon is a different story as he is actually replacing someone, will should be above criticism in this situation

YEF - Please go back and read my post and what I said about Will. As far as predicting the future, none of us can do that as far as I know - so my post is not more inaccurate than yours.

groupie2686
03-07-2018, 02:41 PM
First of all, let me caution folks AGAIN that name-calling and personal attacks are disrespectful and against our Terms of Service … and can earn you a strike. So, to anyone who wants to participate in the discussion here, please don’t go there.

Now, with regard to the recent development about Will possibly joining the band, I certainly don't mean anything against Will personally. The objection I have is that it is just one more step towards the band becoming a shadow of its former self. Some may think it is ethical to continue even though, as Henley put it, “it’s not exactly the same band” as long as there is family blood, but not me. It seems to me that it doesn’t matter anymore who is up on the stage as long as it’s named ‘Eagles’. By replacing Glenn, the precedent has now been set and, over time, this can evolve into the ‘Eagles’ without any former members as long as there is money to be made. So, it’s not inconceivable that at sometime in the future, we’ll have an ‘Eagles’ line-up with – oh, I dunno – Deacon Frey, Will Henley, Lucy Walsh, Leah Felder, and Jeddrah Schmit. Of course, if you don’t like these players, insert the name of the family members of your choice.

So – if this doesn’t tarnish the legacy of the band, I don’t know what will. The bands with the greatest legacies seemed to understand the words of Don’s mentor, Kenny Rogers – “you got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em”.


I've had this exact thought, that the band may one day be comprised of their children. I've been reticent to post in this thread, but I feel like I have to throw in my two cents. I'm not saying it will happen or making any judgment, but it's hard not to imagine a time when Will could fill in for Henley if he was unable to perform or sing anymore. While I am sure all of the eagles' children are talented, a band as Dreamer described above would not be the Eagles to me. If Julian Lennon, Dhani Harrison, James McCartney, and Zack Starkey got together and formed a band, would it be The Beatles? It wouldn't to me. It has to end sometime.

I'm getting ahead way of myself here, though, there is a lot we don't know. Maybe Will touring with the band is simply a father and son enjoying some time together and there's nothing wrong with that.

Let me add the disclaimer that I have nothing against the Eagles' children or against anyone who would want to see them all in a band together, touring as the Eagles. This is just my opinion.

Delilah
03-07-2018, 02:45 PM
Referring to a comment a couple of pages back...As far as I know Gill didn't just accept an offer. Didn't his management contact Eagles' management to offer his services?

Not that it matters, but whether or not Gill’s management approached the Eagles first, the band still had to be the one extend an offer. At any rate, here’s this:


You've known Don and Glenn for some time. How'd this opportunity come about?
Through management. [Eagles manager] Irving Azoff picked my manager Larry Fitzgerald's brain about my interest. From what I've been told by Don, I was the only consideration. But I didn't think they'd do it.

”Vince Gill Talks Joining the Eagles: 'I Feel I'm a Great Fit'” Rolling Stone, June 16, 2017 (https://www.rollingstone.com/country/news/vince-gill-on-joining-the-eagles-i-feel-im-a-great-fit-w488389)

Also, he told Bob Seger that after being offered the gig, he watched the HOTE doc for the first time and said (perhaps jokingly) he didn’t want to do it.

There’s some good info some of us posted about Vince way back when but much of it is buried in the 3.0 thread. He’s an outstanding musician and all-around good guy that I have never read nor heard anyone speak ill of, other than some attempts made on this board.

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 03:00 PM
I'm not going to rehash this because you, obviously, didn't take anything from the discussion you started over several pages earlier in this thread. As was pointed out then, it is not an analagous comparison on any level.



YEF - Please go back and read my post and what I said about Will. As far as predicting the future, none of us can do that as far as I know - so my post is not more inaccurate than yours.

Sorry dreamer I meant that as a general statement not directed towards your comment

travlnman2
03-07-2018, 03:00 PM
I've had this exact thought, that the band may one day be comprised of their children. I've been reticent to post in this thread, but I feel like I have to throw in my two cents. I'm not saying it will happen or making any judgment, but it's hard not to imagine a time when Will could fill in for Henley if he was unable to perform or sing anymore. While I am sure all of the eagles' children are talented, a band as Dreamer described above would not be the Eagles to me. If Julian Lennon, Dhani Harrison, James McCartney, and Zack Starkey got together and formed a band, would it be The Beatles? It wouldn't to me. It has to end sometime.

I'm getting ahead way of myself here, though, there is a lot we don't know. Maybe Will touring with the band is simply a father and son enjoying some time together and there's nothing wrong with that.

Let me add the disclaimer that I have nothing against the Eagles' children or against anyone who would want to see them all in a band together, touring as the Eagles. This is just my opinion.

I agree. It wouldn't be the Eagles because it would have any one who is a part of the Eagles from any era it would just be the Eagles children and if they went out as the Eagles I would not lie happy.


Will and Don have never even suggested that the Eagle kids(Eaglettes) would ever be part of a second generation Eagles.

As for the Children of the Beatles they all have firmly said it will never happen.

Delilah
03-07-2018, 03:13 PM
What are the issues?

3) Should they have backup musicians, off-stage musicians, backing tracks in order to them sound good live?

They've been using extra musicians since the late seventies. It allows them to play music that they couldn't if it was just the "Eagles". In the 70s, they could pull most of it off with just four of them, but with age comes wear and tear on voices, fingers and backs. If they want to maintain quality, they need help. There's nothing more sad than seeing a once-famous performer who no longer has a voice. We hope they are honest by showing us who is there to help, otherwise it's just a bunch of old guys pretending.

The part I'm interested in is whether it will be any different. This time, there's no new album or documentary to give them a theme and playing the same hits but with Deacon/Vince instead of Glenn seems uninspired.

I didn’t realize #3 was an issue. I understand why they want to use backing musicians now given their ages, but they’ve used a hoard of them since HFO. Other bands from the 70s don’t e.g. Styx and they still sound great.

Given that Glenn isn’t there I would say it is definitely different, even if it’s the same old setlist (which I’m hoping they will change up).


So, it’s not inconceivable that at sometime in the future, we’ll have an ‘Eagles’ line-up with – oh, I dunno – Deacon Frey, Will Henley, Lucy Walsh, Leah Felder, and Jeddrah Schmit. Of course, if you don’t like these players, insert the name of the family members of your choice.

So – if this doesn’t tarnish the legacy of the band, I don’t know what will. The bands with the greatest legacies seemed to understand the words of Don’s mentor, Kenny Rogers – “you got to know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em”.

That is certainly a strange hodge-podge of different generations and ages. Jeddrah and Lucy are in their 40s now, I believe—the same age as the Eagles when they became a nostalgia act. I have nothing against them performing together and it might even be interesting. But I would think they wouldn’t call themselves the ‘Eagles.’ That would strain believability.

shunlvswx
03-07-2018, 03:27 PM
I didn’t realize #3 was an issue. I understand why they want to use backing musicians now given their ages, but they’ve used a hoard of them since HFO. Other bands from the 70s don’t e.g. Styx and they still sound great.

Given that Glenn isn’t there I would say it is definitely different, even if it’s the same old setlist (which I’m hoping they will change up).

That is certainly a strange hodge-podge of different generations and ages. Jeddrah and Lucy are in their 40s now, I believe—the same age as the Eagles when they became a nostalgia act. I have nothing against them performing together and it might even be interesting. But I would think they wouldn’t call themselves the ‘Eagles.’ That would strain believability.

Lucy and Leah are the same age(actually 9 days apart). They will be 36 this year. Jeddrah is the only one in her 40s and I think she's pushing 50 in a few years.

Dawn
03-07-2018, 05:24 PM
Thank you Shun!
I don't know much about Lucy is she the sweet little girl in the HOTE documentary hugging Joe? Leah Felder I do know is married to one of the Jenner sons who is a musician and performs/records with Leah who plays guitar too and is also a singer.

shunlvswx
03-07-2018, 05:34 PM
Thank you Shun!
I don't know much about Lucy is she the sweet little girl in the HOTE documentary hugging Joe? Leah Felder I do know is married to one of the Jenner sons who is a musician and performs/records with Leah who plays guitar too and is also a singer.

Yes. That was Lucy. She's a redhead now. She was on a MTV show called Rock the Cradle where she placed 4th behind Kenny Loggins and Dee Snider's (of Twisted Sister) sons and Olivia Netwon-John's daughter. I watched it when it first came out.

Also had a guest appearance on Criminal Minds I think back in 2016 (Joe was also in the episode at the end) and in a movie called Mother's Day that starred Julia Roberts. I think Lucy said she wanted to focus more on her acting career than her singing career. She has a beautiful voice.

Freypower
03-07-2018, 06:19 PM
What are the issues?

1) Should a version of the band continue to play without Glenn?

2) High ticket prices.

3) Should they have backup musicians, off-stage musicians, backing tracks in order to them sound good live?

4) Should they give special opportunities to their children?

The first has been done to death. I'm not keen on the idea but it doesn't hurt me if they do. People close to the band and to Glenn have come around to the idea, so who am I to object? I just don't feel a strong desire to see this version.

They charge what people will pay. I don't have to have to buy tickets and this is where a lack of desire to see them works for me.

They've been using extra musicians since the late seventies. It allows them to play music that they couldn't if it was just the "Eagles". In the 70s, they could pull most of it off with just four of them, but with age comes wear and tear on voices, fingers and backs. If they want to maintain quality, they need help. There's nothing more sad than seeing a once-famous performer who no longer has a voice. We hope they are honest by showing us who is there to help, otherwise it's just a bunch of old guys pretending.

It's essentially a family firm and the owners can bring in members of their families to give them work experience. Again, that started back in the 70s, continued with the HFO tour and looks like it will happen now. Maybe it's not fair to those who don't have family connections, but what business is?

The part I'm interested in is whether it will be any different. This time, there's no new album or documentary to give them a theme and playing the same hits but with Deacon/Vince instead of Glenn seems uninspired.

I don't agree that a rock band, ANY rock band, is a 'family firm'. I wasn't even aware of any of their family members playing with them before now. So this is new to me, I'm afraid. I suppose I am one of those who believe that membership of any organisation should be based on merit, not surname.

NB: I realise that I could be asked about Nicolas Collins. He's playing WITH his father; he hasn't replaced him. The Jason Bonham situation has already been dealt with.

As for all the stuff about them needing 'help' perhaps you don't realise how sad that sounds. All the more reasons why they should have done a decent tribute to Glenn (which they never did, of course) and them ceased operations, not dragged themselves through this fiasco.

Ive always been a dreamer
03-07-2018, 06:20 PM
That is certainly a strange hodge-podge of different generations and ages. Jeddrah and Lucy are in their 40s now, I believe—the same age as the Eagles when they became a nostalgia act. I have nothing against them performing together and it might even be interesting. But I would think they wouldn’t call themselves the ‘Eagles.’ That would strain believability.

How do we know that a future band of Eaglettes wouldn’t be called the Eagles? It is being called that now with one Eaglette, so why not bring on another, and then, a little while later, another, and then chip away little by little over a period of time …………………………….. etc., etc., etc? So, it would not be the Eagles, it would just be called the Eagles. :hmm: Interesting concept! According to Don’s logic in his statement below, this is perfectly acceptable and legitimate …

“Bringing Deacon in was my idea,” Henley said. “I think of the guild system, which in both Eastern and Western cultures is a centuries-old tradition of the father passing down the trade to his son, and to me, that makes perfect moral and ethical sense.”

I'm not sure why the age differential would be a problem – isn’t that the case now? Besides, I randomly chose those names to make my point i.e. the disclaimer about substituting with names of your choice. We could try a younger line-up of Otis Frey, Sophie Henley, Emerson Walsh, and Nicholas Felder. The only problem with these line-ups is that the Eagles were always adamant that there would be no ‘girls’ in the band. This is supported by Don’s statement above. However, since people just want to hear the songs played live, maybe we could make some exceptions to that rule too for the sake of the band and the fans.

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 07:02 PM
Just a quick few points

1. If the junior eagles is now the plan, I certainly don’t think it was always the plan

2. There hasn’t been an announcement made regarding will so I expect his additions to the band to be strictly background. Maybe the audience won’t even know

3. I don’t feel Will Henley is lacking in talent so I don’t feel it was wrong to pick him over someone else for the backup band. They already have all the guitarists they could possibly need, Don who can drum and Scott who drums, plenty of keyboard players and horns. They don’t need another person, so thats why including someone based on family line is ok because it doesn’t serve an real big part of the music. Glenn was for this and I think it makes sense.

Freypower
03-07-2018, 07:08 PM
Just a quick few points

1. If the junior eagles is now the plan, I certainly don’t think it was always the plan

2. There hasn’t been an announcement made regarding will so I expect his additions to the band to be strictly background. Maybe the audience won’t even know

3. I don’t feel Will Henley is lacking in talent so I don’t feel it was wrong to pick him over someone else for the backup band. They already have all the guitarists they could possibly need, Don who can drum and Scott who drums, plenty of keyboard players and horns. They don’t need another person, so thats why including someone based on family line is ok because it doesn’t serve an real big part of the music. Glenn was for this and I think it makes sense.

Glenn was for what?

Are we going to rehash yet again the 'this is what Glenn wanted' stuff? Even if he may have wished for his son to replace him, did he wish the same for Will Henley?

If they don't need another person then WHY include someone else just because of his surname?

Delilah
03-07-2018, 07:39 PM
Lucy and Leah are the same age(actually 9 days apart). They will be 36 this year. Jeddrah is the only one in her 40s and I think she's pushing 50 in a few years.

Thanks for the info Shun. I didn’t realize Lucy and Leah are the same age.


Just a quick few points

1. If the junior eagles is now the plan, I certainly don’t think it was always the plan

2. There hasn’t been an announcement made regarding will so I expect his additions to the band to be strictly background. Maybe the audience won’t even know

3. I don’t feel Will Henley is lacking in talent so I don’t feel it was wrong to pick him over someone else for the backup band. They already have all the guitarists they could possibly need, Don who can drum and Scott who drums, plenty of keyboard players and horns. They don’t need another person, so thats why including someone based on family line is ok because it doesn’t serve an real big part of the music. Glenn was for this and I think it makes sense.

1. There is zero evidence that a “junior Eagles” is the future plan and I am sorry to have added to the speculation. People were throwing out the names of other offspring and I thought I would comment on it. I didn’t mean to upset anyone.

2. In less than a week, we’ll know more but I agree with your point here.

3. I can’t comment on Will Henley’s talent b/c I know nothing of his abilities. But whether he is there to fetch coffee, take pictures, help the road crew or strum a guitar in the background, he can do it b/c his father is the de facto boss. Nepotism or not, I see it as harmless and does nothing to tarnish the legacy of the band.

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 07:59 PM
Glenn was for what?

Are we going to rehash yet again the 'this is what Glenn wanted' stuff? Even if he may have wished for his son to replace him, did he wish the same for Will Henley?

If they don't need another person then WHY include someone else just because of his surname?

I meant that Glenn was on board with putting a bands family member in the backup band, (Felder’s son). I figure because they wanted to spend time together. I don’t think it’s that complicated or a plot to make a new era of the Eagles. I’m not saying Glenn wanted to be replaced by his son or have Will replace Don. I just think he would have been ok with his kids doing something in the band even as minor as playing in the backup band

YoungEaglesFan
03-07-2018, 08:00 PM
Thanks for the info Shun. I didn’t realize Lucy and Leah are the same age.



1. There is zero evidence that a “junior Eagles” is the future plan and I am sorry to have added to the speculation. People were throwing out the names of other offspring and I thought I would comment on it. I didn’t mean to upset anyone.

2. In less than a week, we’ll know more but I agree with your point here.

3. I can’t comment on Will Henley’s talent b/c I know nothing of his abilities. But whether he is there to fetch coffee, take pictures, help the road crew or strum a guitar in the background, he can do it b/c his father is the de facto boss. Nepotism or not, I see it as harmless and does nothing to tarnish the legacy of the band.

It’s no problem Delilah, you don’t have to apologize about the junior eagles thing. I just don’t think it’s fair for others to assume that’s the plan when we have no evidence to base it off

EagleInKansas
03-07-2018, 08:10 PM
I am excited to follow the careers of Deacon, Will and other Eagles offspring. I hope they make a lot of great music that we can enjoy for many years to come. I think Deacon has a great country voice, even though he doesn't seem particularly interested in that genre of music.

I doubt the music the Eagles' kids make will be a collaboration and it certainly won't be under the "Eagles" banner.

WalshFan88
03-08-2018, 12:22 AM
Surprised Skynyrd didn't hire you as their manager long ago, WF. You clearly know what's best for them. I'd call Irving today and see if you can begin advising the Eagles. Time for those old guys to wrap it up too, eh?

And it's strange that you're complaining about Vince's sound-a-like ability. You don't want Glenn replaced, but if he is it should be by an absolute carbon copy? Bizarre opinion. But it's on me for expecting any consistency or sense. Carry on. Make that call.

So, let me get this straight, you'd be ok with a band that would have "0" original members? Now that's bizarre. Yes, I feel I do know what's best. As a lifelong fan, I know that sometimes it's better to go out with a bang than a whimper. I think they've proven everything they needed to and it's time to retire and call it quits. Sometimes I don't think the whole "we need to keep the music alive" is needed. It can and will continue to speak for itself. It doesn't need to be in concert now. Gary Rossington is in bad health. I hate to say this, but he probably won't be with us much longer. He keeps having heart attacks and then bypass surgeries. I'd rather him enjoy his time remaining off the road with family than suffer through the grueling experience that touring entails. I also would rather them end their legacy on a positive note, not stopping because of Gary's sudden death. JMO.

As far as the Vince thing, I don't want Glenn to be replaced by anyone carbon copy or not. I just wonder why they picked him when there are many other voices that are way closer and better for that vocal style. There are tribute band singers out there that come very, very close to Glenn's voice. Just makes me wonder.

Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons recently said they want they want the band to continue after they are gone. I think it's a pretty vomit-inducing idea. If the principal songwriters aren't there, the leaders, etc then it's not KISS. They want their kids to take it over eventually. I'm sorry, but a band shouldn't be a family business. If they want to do music fine, but do their own. That's all I'm saying.

As far as calling Irving, he'd probably prefer that I don't call him, because if I get the man himself on the phone, I'm not going to hold back my thoughts on this. ;)

Dawn
03-08-2018, 01:00 AM
Let's not forget there are other wives and kids now grown up who may want a piece of the 2018 mega tour pie. If they don't sing or play an instrument there are other ways one can earn a paycheck eg roadie, hair/makeup/wardrobe stylist, videographer, chef, masseuse, yoga instructor, etc.

Second, the brand needs an Eagles touring band to continue generating the kind of money made over the the past 21 years -
@ 490 play dates across the USA and overseas.

As such, they may very well need to add/subtract from the current lineup. As pointed out the guys are in their 70's and baby boomer consumers are aging out of the Classic Rock festival/stadium market place. How long can they fill these mega size venues by themselves or in concert with other aging classic artists and bands?

YoungEaglesFan
03-08-2018, 01:17 AM
Let's not forget there are other wives and kids now grown up who may want a piece of the 2018 mega tour pie. If they don't sing or play an instrument there are other ways they can earn a paycheck eg roadie, hair/makeup/wardrobe stylist, videographer, chef, masseuse, yoga instructor, etc.

That happened during the HFO tour as well. That isn’t new

WalshFan88
03-08-2018, 01:30 AM
Let's not forget there are other wives and kids now grown up who may want a piece of the 2018 mega tour pie. If they don't sing or play an instrument there are other ways they can earn a paycheck eg roadie, hair/makeup/wardrobe stylist, videographer, chef, masseuse, yoga instructor, etc.

Absolutely. Good point.

chaim
03-08-2018, 06:39 AM
Austin...Me and a lot of Kiss fans in the KISSFAQ forum don't believe that Gene and Paul really want Kiss to continue without them. We feel they're saying that to justify Tommy and Eric in Ace's and Peter's makeup.

sodascouts
03-08-2018, 08:56 AM
Playing in a band is not the same as selling furniture. The idea of "passing it down in the family" is laughable, IMHO.

Then again, as we've said, the Eagles is now being treated like a brand rather than a band. Perhaps it isn't so far from selling furniture after all at this point. Why not let the kids run the company, eh?

maryc2130
03-08-2018, 09:35 AM
I keep going back to Joe's comment about "Eagles friends and family". I believe that this is how they consider themselves, but using the name "Eagles" is the only thing that makes sense, business-wise. No, it's not the original Eagles and is even somewhat different from the HOTE version. but it's still a superior product and a lot of fun.

And you know what, just because they're calling on different people doesn't mean it's bad. I don't know how talented Will is, but whatever you may think of the additions of Vince and Deacon, they still had an excellent product for last year's shows. The harmonies were spot on, as always, even though they were arranged a little differently from previous iterations due to different voice ranges and strengths.

And really, I don't see anything at all wrong with doing this. The guys seem to be having a lot of fun, they sound good, and at least Joe and Deacon have said it's cathartic in helping heal from Glenn's death.

As far as whether Glenn would have approved, I have no idea. Perhaps you die-hard Glenn fans are right and he wouldn't have wanted to go on, but you know what? Yes, Glenn was the leader, but Don and Glenn were BOTH founding members. The band evolved with them standing shoulder-to-shoulder. Don was just as key to band's success as Glenn, so why shouldn't he have the power to make the decision to go on or not, as long as he has the approval of Glenn's family? (Which he obviously does.) Yes, if it were Don who had died, Glenn's decision might have been very different, and he might not have wanted to go on. But with all due respect to Glenn, life is for the living. And even if it might not have been what Glenn would have decided, I have to think that he'd have a smile on his face seeing Deacon up there with his old band mates.

A couple of other comments:

Vince Gill - why are people blaming him for being in the band? He's a great harmony singer and guitar player, he's liked by all the guys (and was liked by Glenn, as well), and he had hit it off with Don when they worked together on Cass County. Their voices blend very well together, which would have had to have been a key factor in making a choice.

Nepotism- Let's face it, Deacon and Will would not have these jobs if it weren't for their parents, but so what? Don is a perfectionist and I doubt very much he'd put anyone in a role were they couldn't perform. When choosing musicians for a band, you generally go with people you know. A line from the HOTE dvd that always makes me tear up is, "I wanted to be in a band with you." Well, Don, Joe and Timothy wanted to be in a band with Vince, Deacon and Will. I say, great for them. Why not enjoy life at this stage and do what you want, as long as the musical product is excellent?

MaryCalifornia
03-08-2018, 12:23 PM
Wow, amazing - from Forbes: "The Eagles are the most in-demand act for concert tickets, according to TickPick. Fans buying on the secondary marketplace put the veteran band on top, in front of Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift, U2 and Billy Joel. Legacy acts and Top 40 artists rule the summer marketplace. Followers of The Eagles are prepared to pay an average of about $238 for tickets to the shows, the statistics say, based the online marketplace’s data on the top concerts of 2018."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markbeech/2018/03/07/the-eagles-beat-ed-sheeran-taylor-swift-u2-as-most-expensive-fan-ticket-tickpick-says/#3a9d42d774d3

Take that, Taylor Swift and U2! :rofl:

Dawn
03-08-2018, 01:08 PM
Speaking of the "secondary marketplace"

Google a takes action

http://teamrock.com/news/2017-11-24/google-take-action-against-secondary-ticket-market

Ive always been a dreamer
03-08-2018, 01:28 PM
I am excited to follow the careers of Deacon, Will and other Eagles offspring. I hope they make a lot of great music that we can enjoy for many years to come. I think Deacon has a great country voice, even though he doesn't seem particularly interested in that genre of music.

I doubt the music the Eagles' kids make will be a collaboration and it certainly won't be under the "Eagles" banner.

I too wish nothing but the best for the children of all of the Eagles. I personally never objected to Eagles kids taking the stage in some form or another during an Eagles show and I don’t believe Glenn did either. However, that is very different from some iteration of them performing as the Eagles. I used to say that would never happen, but given the current circumstances, I don’t believe it is out of the realm of possibility in the future. But to repeat what I said earlier – no, we certainly do not know if it would or would not be under the “Eagles” banner unless you are able to predict the future.

And maryc2130 – You did a nice job of summing up your side of this ongoing argument. And, nothing personal, but those of us on the other side will never buy into the justifications that this is all okay because the band is having fun and they want to play these songs. So, while I agree that life is for the living, I also believe that some things are best left frozen in time.

sodascouts
03-08-2018, 04:04 PM
And maryc2130 – You did a nice job of summing up your side of this ongoing argument. And, nothing personal, but those of us on the other side will never buy into the justifications that this is all okay because the band is having fun and they want to play these songs. So, while I agree that life is for the living, I also believe that some things are best left frozen in time.

This is especially true when the living are making money by cheapening the past. They cheapened the Eagles sound when they replaced Glenn.

While the ethical aspect may be subjective, there is no denying that the music they are making now does not sound the same as it did with Glenn. I guess the question is: does it matter?*

I fear to some, that question was entirely dependent on another question: "Are the 'Eagles' marketable without Glenn?" As soon as they found out the answer was "yes", then the question "Does it matter" was answered with a "No."

*As I've said before, I realize it matters emotionally and the "pro" camp recognize it is different... but does it matter enough to bring the Eagles to a halt?

Brooke
03-08-2018, 05:16 PM
As long as they are making big money like the Forbes article suggests, and they are physically able, they will be out there doing it.

I never thought they would do this, but it seems money talks.

I've seen several of my friends post on Fb about them being on tour and always want to say "it's not the REAL Eagles" but I just let it go. No use arguing! I don't mind if they want to see this incarnation, but I'm just not interested.

Ive always been a dreamer
03-08-2018, 05:54 PM
Soda – I believe you are dead on with your remark that the band's sound was cheapened when Glenn was replaced. As maryc2130 said, ‘the band evolved with Don and Glenn standing shoulder-to-shoulder', and, to me, that's the way it should have ended. And I can say with 100% certainty that if we were talking about Don here, God forbid, I would be saying exactly the same thing.

And to further address the arguments that the band should be enjoying life – I couldn't agree more; but, I believe they should seek options other than capitalizing on the ‘Eagles’ name. Because the ‘Eagles’ that Glenn was such an integral part of crafting and nurturing for over 45 years deserves better. His incomparable vision and contributions to the band should have been immortalized with unconditional dignity, and not compromised for the enjoyment, benefit, or catharsis of the remaining members. The best way to honor and preserve a legacy is to LEAVE IT ALONE!

Freypower
03-08-2018, 06:01 PM
Wow, amazing - from Forbes: "The Eagles are the most in-demand act for concert tickets, according to TickPick. Fans buying on the secondary marketplace put the veteran band on top, in front of Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift, U2 and Billy Joel. Legacy acts and Top 40 artists rule the summer marketplace. Followers of The Eagles are prepared to pay an average of about $238 for tickets to the shows, the statistics say, based the online marketplace’s data on the top concerts of 2018."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markbeech/2018/03/07/the-eagles-beat-ed-sheeran-taylor-swift-u2-as-most-expensive-fan-ticket-tickpick-says/#3a9d42d774d3

Take that, Taylor Swift and U2! :rofl:

I can't read the article but one of my FB friends posted a link to it. And even I can see that the key words in the link quoted above are MOST EXPENSIVE.

So if you wish to applaud them for charging the most expensive prices in the marketplace for an inferior product, feel free. My sentiments are otherwise.

YoungEaglesFan
03-08-2018, 06:13 PM
I can't read the article but one of my FB friends posted a link to it. And even I can see that the key words in the link quoted above are MOST EXPENSIVE.

So if you wish to applaud them for charging the most expensive prices in the marketplace for an inferior product, feel free. My sentiments are otherwise.

I think Mary is just saying it’s good that the guys remain so relevant and wanted during this day and age. I think that is a good thing

MaryCalifornia
03-08-2018, 06:18 PM
FP, I am praising them for the FACTS described in the article - "The Eagles are the most in-demand act for concert tickets..." I think the entire paragraph is impressive and worthy of praise on this board, and I'm happy that they're in the national conversation for their industry. You, with your comment about inferior product, are just making stuff up.

Freypower
03-08-2018, 06:23 PM
FP, I am praising them for the FACTS described in the article - "The Eagles are the most in-demand act for concert tickets..." I think the entire paragraph is impressive and worthy of praise on this board, and I'm happy that they're in the national conversation for their industry. You, with your comment about inferior product, are just making stuff up.

In my opinion, the product they are presenting without Glenn Frey is inferior.

That is not making stuff up; that is a view held by the people who agree with me & by many others who would not go to see this act as it now is.

If you think it's a good thing that this act is 'in demand' and it's good that people are willing to pay these prices, you have every right to think so. I also have every right to feel sad about it.

travlnman2
03-08-2018, 06:43 PM
Man I think we better annihilate this horse. It keeps coming back to life.

Delilah
03-08-2018, 07:18 PM
I keep going back to Joe's comment about "Eagles friends and family". I believe that this is how they consider themselves, but using the name "Eagles" is the only thing that makes sense, business-wise. No, it's not the original Eagles and is even somewhat different from the HOTE version. but it's still a superior product and a lot of fun.

And you know what, just because they're calling on different people doesn't mean it's bad. I don't know how talented Will is, but whatever you may think of the additions of Vince and Deacon, they still had an excellent product for last year's shows. The harmonies were spot on, as always, even though they were arranged a little differently from previous iterations due to different voice ranges and strengths.

And really, I don't see anything at all wrong with doing this. The guys seem to be having a lot of fun, they sound good, and at least Joe and Deacon have said it's cathartic in helping heal from Glenn's death.

As far as whether Glenn would have approved, I have no idea. Perhaps you die-hard Glenn fans are right and he wouldn't have wanted to go on, but you know what? Yes, Glenn was the leader, but Don and Glenn were BOTH founding members. The band evolved with them standing shoulder-to-shoulder. Don was just as key to band's success as Glenn, so why shouldn't he have the power to make the decision to go on or not, as long as he has the approval of Glenn's family? (Which he obviously does.) Yes, if it were Don who had died, Glenn's decision might have been very different, and he might not have wanted to go on. But with all due respect to Glenn, life is for the living. And even if it might not have been what Glenn would have decided, I have to think that he'd have a smile on his face seeing Deacon up there with his old band mates.

A couple of other comments:

Vince Gill - why are people blaming him for being in the band? He's a great harmony singer and guitar player, he's liked by all the guys (and was liked by Glenn, as well), and he had hit it off with Don when they worked together on Cass County. Their voices blend very well together, which would have had to have been a key factor in making a choice.

Nepotism- Let's face it, Deacon and Will would not have these jobs if it weren't for their parents, but so what? Don is a perfectionist and I doubt very much he'd put anyone in a role were they couldn't perform. When choosing musicians for a band, you generally go with people you know. A line from the HOTE dvd that always makes me tear up is, "I wanted to be in a band with you." Well, Don, Joe and Timothy wanted to be in a band with Vince, Deacon and Will. I say, great for them. Why not enjoy life at this stage and do what you want, as long as the musical product is excellent?

Great post, maryc.



*As I've said before, I realize it matters emotionally and the "pro" camp recognize it is different... but does it matter enough to bring the Eagles to a halt?

Don, Joe and Timothy matter. Still. So do Glenn’s songs.

Some fans seem to believe that the memory of Glenn will fade away the more the new line-up continues on. I disagree and believe his memory and legacy will be strengthened. It’s not like it was with Bernie and Randy when they were all but forgotten until the HOTE doc. This is different. I guess that’s a fundamental difference of opinion between the two camps.

Dawn
03-08-2018, 07:56 PM
It's becoming abundantly clear the band needs to keep touring to feed the beast.

This isn't just sad- it is shameful.