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Freypower
03-29-2008, 11:49 PM
I thought if we ever hear anything of 'our Satan's' activities we could post it here. Because:

http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=4407

Seriously, if Irving can get Axl Rose to release Chinese Democracy he IS a genius. You thought the Eagles were slow.

glenneaglesfan
03-31-2008, 05:37 PM
Thanks for that link, Fp. These Undercover articles are always so much more positive than our British press. Good to hear Irving is still drawing in the big names.

Perfect Little Sister
04-01-2008, 05:20 PM
Great idea FP. Thanks for the link.

sodascouts
04-18-2008, 07:53 PM
Here's an interview with Azoff about the upcoming Tiger Woods event (no, Glenn's not performing):

Azoff interview (http://vegasblog.latimes.com/vegas/2008/04/tiger-jam-with.html)

glenneaglesfan
04-20-2008, 03:58 PM
Thanks for that, Soda. Pity Glenn's not involved this time.

Glennsallnighter
04-20-2008, 04:08 PM
Yes Indeed! GEF we have to get Glenn :heart: to a golf tournament this side of the pond :wink: . Are you on?

glenneaglesfan
04-20-2008, 04:11 PM
Yep! I'm flexing my golf muscles as I type!

Ive always been a dreamer
04-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Yes indeedy girls - now, that would be something wouldn't it! :D :D

Glennsallnighter
04-20-2008, 06:00 PM
You're welcome to join us Dreamer!! We need Glenn :heart: to know there is a chapter of the 'Angel Society' :angel: over here as well!

Freypower
10-23-2008, 07:19 PM
Irving's latest move:

http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=6629

So when I buy tickets through Ticketmaster in future, Irving will get a cut.

TimothyBFan
10-24-2008, 08:29 AM
I just had my little rant about Ticketmaster 2 days ago in the November dates topic---don't even get me started again!!! :brickwall: So glad Irv gets a little more of my money--I'm sure he needs it!:headshake:

sodascouts
11-11-2008, 01:45 PM
Something occurred to me today - do you think this means that the Eagles will now refuse to play venues that don't use Ticketmaster?

I hope not. I detest strong-arm efforts designed to turn an entity that already has a 90%+ dominance into an out-and-out 100% monopoly.

That said, if Irving works to stop the abuses of Ticketmaster, he'll be my hero! :)

TimothyBFan
11-11-2008, 02:33 PM
That said, if Irving works to stop the abuses of Ticketmaster, he'll be my hero! :)

Amen!!! They really are ridiculous when it comes to buying tickets from them. There is no way they go about it fairly when you can start trying to get tickets the minute they go on sale and all you pull up are in the rafters!!!

Freypower
11-15-2008, 08:07 PM
http://undercover.com.au/News-Story.aspx?id=6873

DonFan
12-15-2008, 11:08 AM
Of course, Irving is making changes to the way we purchase tickets for all touring performers. Robin Williams is coming to Birmingham this spring, and I just received this email saying "because you have previously purchased VIP tickets through Ticketmaster, here is a special offer" for VIP seats to see him:

Robin Williams Meet and Greet Package

- One reserved ticket located within the first 5 rows of the stage*
- Exclusive Meet and Greet with Robin Williams
- Personal Photograph with Robin Williams
- Autographed 8X10 photo
- Official Meet and Greet Laminate
- Exclusive Robin Williams Tour Shirt
- $25 coupon for use in the official Robin Williams online store

The price? $437.50. Not $425 or $450, but $437.50??

This DOES include face contact, actually meeting Robin, something that the Eagles do not do of course (YET, anyway).

The next level down (4-Star) costs $212.50.

sodascouts
12-15-2008, 11:28 AM
Right now, I'm trying to purchase Fleetwood Mac tickets. Me and two of my friends, on separate computers, all getting in the second it began - and the best we can do is back of the floor.

But if you look at Ticketmaster Premium seating, they've got stuff all up in the front.

Yeah, it's a total racket.

Maybe Irving hasn't gotten around to changing that aspect yet.

sodascouts
12-15-2008, 11:36 AM
Oh, but here's something - you can meet Mick Fleetwood for an extra 200 dollars on top of your 5-star package. Better than paying $1000 and not getting to meet the guys, as folks had to do for the Eagles in NYC and thereabouts!

EagleLady
12-15-2008, 11:41 AM
Wow. I'd be a dwarf compared to Mick.

tbs fanatic
12-15-2008, 01:06 PM
Ticket prices are just mind-blowing these days. :headshake:

thelongrun
01-19-2009, 03:47 PM
On the 2007 Journey's Album they- Schon I believe- include some nice words for I.A., cool...

TimothyBFan
01-27-2009, 10:25 AM
Bought 4 $45.00 tickets Sunday morning for a George Thorogood concert at the Blue Chip Casino in Michigan City Indiana. Those $45.00 tickets ended up costing $206.00 after all the fees! :twisted: $26.00 more than face value-that is just criminal!!

sodascouts
02-05-2009, 06:34 PM
Irving has to do some damage control! Bruce Springsteen was mighty pissed at Ticketmaster for redirecting his fans to TicketsNow - TM's scalper site - when there were regular priced tickets still available. Here's his rant:



A LETTER TO OUR FANS:
We know there was much confusion regarding Ticketmaster and TicketsNow during last Monday's on-sale dates. We were as confused as you were, as we were given no advance notice of the major changes in the Ticketmaster-TicketsNow world. (Bear in mind that we are not clients of any ticketing company, and that all those arrangements are between venues and ticketing companies.)

Last Monday, we were informed that Ticketmaster was redirecting your log-in requests for tickets at face value, to their secondary site TicketsNow, which specializes in up-selling tickets at above face value. They did this even when other seats remained available at face value. We condemn this practice.

We perceive this as a pure conflict of interest. Ticketmaster is there to ensure that we have a good, fair sale of our tickets at their face value plus normal ticketing charges. TicketsNow is supposed to be a secondary site where people who already have tickets may exchange, trade, and, unfortunately, speculate with them. We have asked this redirection from Ticketmaster to TicketsNow cease and desist immediately and Ticketmaster has agreed to do so in the future and has removed its unwanted material from their and our site.

We know the many cynical arguments some make in favor of the Ticketmaster system: There are rumors that some artists or managers participate in Ticketmaster charges--we do not. There are rumors that some artists or managers are receiving a percentage of the amount above face value at secondary outlets like TicketsNow--we do not. Some artists or managers may not perceive there to be a conflict between having the distributor of their tickets in effect "scalping" those same tickets through a secondary company like TicketsNow--we do.

While many of you have sent notes to us and your local promoters, you may also send accurate informational letters to Albert Lopez of Ticketmaster and he will try to address your questions.

A final point for now: the one thing that would make the current ticket situation even worse for the fan than it is now would be Ticketmaster and Live Nation coming up with a single system, thereby returning us to a near monopoly situation in music ticketing. Several newspapers are reporting on this story right now. If you, like us, oppose that idea, you should make it known to your representatives.

The abuse of our fans and our trust by Ticketmaster has made us as furious as it has made many of you. We will continue to do our utmost now and in the future to make sure that these practices are permanently curtailed on our tours.

Bruce Springsteen, Jon Landau and the entire Springsteen Tour Team

And Azoff's response:



AN OPEN LETTER OF APOLOGY TO BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, JON LANDAU AND THE ENTIRE SPRINGSTEEN TOUR TEAM:
While we were genuinely trying to do the right thing for fans in providing more choices when the tickets they requested from the primary on-sale were not available, we clearly missed the mark. Fans are confused and angry, which is the opposite of what we hoped to accomplish. We sincerely apologize to Bruce, his organization and, above all, his fans.

We recognize that we need to change our course. We have committed to Bruce and state publicly here that we have taken down all links for Bruce's shows directing fans from Ticketmaster to TicketsNow. This redirection only occurred as a choice when we could not satisfy fans' specific search request for primary ticket inventory, but to make sure there is no misunderstanding in the future, we also publicly state that we will never again link to TicketsNow in a manner that can possibly create any confusion during a high-demand on-sale. Specifically, we will not present an option to go to TicketsNow from Ticketmaster without the consent of the artist and the venue, both of whom work together to bring the joy of live entertainment to millions of fans.

If any fans inadvertently purchased tickets in the resale marketplace believing in error they were purchasing from the initial on-sale, we will refund the difference between the actual purchase price and the face price of the ticket. (Please don't abuse this good faith gesture - we did not give brokers any preferential access to tickets.)

We are committed to helping deliver the most transparent and best live entertainment experience to fans. We will do better going forward.

Sincerely,
Irving Azoff, CEO, Ticketmaster Entertainment

Prettymaid
02-05-2009, 06:41 PM
HA! I have suddenly become a huge Springsteen fan!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shame on you Irving Azoff!

eaglesvet
02-06-2009, 02:32 AM
There was a HUGE RUCKUS about this out here...it happended for the 2 NJ shows and I think one NY/LI show. We were logged in, waiting for the Ticketmaster site to respond to our request for tickets (realizing as the precious minutes ticked away, so did those tickets)--then a message to the effect that Ticketmaster could not respond to our request at that time, and then wham! onto the Tickets Now site with hugely inflated ticket prices. Apparently, some folks even got a 'Ticketmaster is undergoing routine maintenance' message, rather than a response to their ticket request! Frustrating, to say the least! By the time I reloaded my request, I was told to wait 15 minutes (which became 30...who knew?), so I knew he was sold out by then. There were countless stories in the press of folks who got through by phone/computer, and then were cut off just as they were entering their payment info. Apparently, Ticketmaster is contacting those people through records of the transactions as far as they got, because for many of them the tickets are still theirs (ie, the tickets did not go back into the sale bin just because the transaction did not finish.)

Anyway, all of the newspapers and online sites got flooded with complaints. I even heard there is either a Congressman or Senator who is launching an investigation into it!

TimothyBFan
02-06-2009, 08:01 AM
Good for Bruce for doing the right thing!! Irving is full of sh*t!!! Ticketmaster is the biggest ripoff there is!! That Ticketnow is basically Ticketmaster scalping their own tickets. It's all about the money-as if tickets aren't expensive enough -we have them continuously trying to get more for them.

Note to Irving---Not all fans are stupid-- we know that when you started selling "no fee" tickets that you jacked up the price by $10.00 a ticket. Duh!! Like I wouldn't figure THAT out!

Prettymaid
02-06-2009, 08:11 AM
Anyway, all of the newspapers and online sites got flooded with complaints. I even heard there is either a Congressman or Senator who is launching an investigation into it!

That could be very good news for ticket buyers. I have often thought about contacting my congressman about event tickets unfair practices but never have. Maybe now would be a good time...

Brooke
02-06-2009, 11:39 AM
More news about the possible Ticketmaster/Live Nation merger:

http://www.kshe95.com/musicnews/Story.aspx?id=1060441

TimothyBFan
02-06-2009, 12:06 PM
I'm sorry, but I hope they do investigate and find out what the problem is and get whoever is responsible for it under control! It's ridiculous that they are essentially allowed to scalp their own tickets! I love music and love going to concerts but you just can't do it on a regular basis any longer--who can afford it? It will be a monopoly if this happens and I hate to think what ticket prices will become then. Irving is out of control and eventually I have to think it will catch up with the artists because people won't be going. JMHO!

tbs fanatic
02-06-2009, 12:41 PM
I wonder what The Eagles think of all this?

Ive always been a dreamer
02-06-2009, 01:39 PM
First of all - I applaud the Boss for taking a stand on this. :yay: :yay: :yay:
Since he is such an influential artist, maybe others will follow suit and launch their own complaints. I also hope the practices of Ticketmaster are thoroughly investigated, as well as, the implications of impending merger with Live Nation. I know Irving has an obligation to try to make the best deal that he can for his artists, and for Ticketmaster, but these practices are horrible for the fans. Scalping your own tickets is beyond being unfair, and Irving can claim as much as he wants that Ticketmaster does not "give brokers any preferential access to tickets", but how is it that the best tickets ALWAYS end up in their hands. When was the last time any fan brought up a 1st row ticket the moment the tickets went on sale? And don't hand us this crap about how 1st row seats are held and not put up for sale to the general pubic - if that's the case, how do they get in the hands of brokers who turn around and resell them (in some cases through TicketsNow) for thousands of dollars a piece???

And while I'm on my rant, I may as well bring up ILAA - Irving's other pet project. It turns my stomach to see those 5-star packages with the signed guitar and M&G with Joe being sold for + or - $5.000. The only good news that I can find regarding this, is that it may have totally flopped. I notice that ILAA has pulled back somewhat - these 'Joe Walsh experiences' aren't being offered for the upcoming European tour, and the prices for the VIP packages seemed to have been lowered across the board. I think they are still two high, but it is a small victory, nonetheless.

Brooke
02-06-2009, 03:38 PM
You know, it used to be all about the music.

Now it's all about the money.

With the promoters, the managers, and more than likely, the artists, too. Obviously. :scowl: :cuss:

Thanks to Bruce for trying, but I have real bad feelings about this.

sodascouts
02-06-2009, 05:49 PM
Ticketmaster partnering with scalpers is such an obvious conflict of interest that it boggles the mind. It's only logical that Ticketmaster WANTS the TicketsNow scalpers to get the best tickets, because that puts more money into TicketMaster's pockets. Now, Irving says that despite the fact that Ticketmaster makes more money when the the TicketsNow scalpers get the best tickets, his company doesn't do anything to 'help' that happen. I hope he's telling the truth.

eaglesvet
02-06-2009, 09:57 PM
That could be very good news for ticket buyers. I have often thought about contacting my congressman about event tickets unfair practices but never have. Maybe now would be a good time...
I haven't yet had a chance to look at this, but I certainly am planning to. I don't know if this might be helpful to you in other states. The NJ Division of Consumer Affairs, which is handling all of the consumer complaints re:Ticketmaster's bumbling/'scalping' of Springsteen's tickets earlier this week has placed an online complaint form on its main web page for consumers to link to. The form might be useful to y'all to duplicate, and use to complain to your own state's Consumer Affairs Board / Congressmen about Ticketmaster's policies regarding Eagles ticket prices, Springsteen ticket snafus, or whatever mess Irving Azoff has currently got his hands in! The website is: http://www.njConsumerAffairs.gov.

eaglesvet
02-09-2009, 10:29 PM
I just read on msnbc.com tonight that Canadian lawyers in Ontario are launching a $500 million class action lawsuit against Ticketmaster/Tickets Now (and soon-to-be-merger with Live Nation) for violation of scalping regulations in that province since Feb. 2007. The case cited in the article mirrors what happened last week with the Springsteen ticket sales in NJ....where within minutes of logging onto Ticketmaster's site, customers were redirected onto the inflated scalping site of TicketsNow during ticket sales for Smashing Pumpkins. However, as far as I can tell, the class action suit is looking for anyone having bought any tickets at all for any concert from either Ticketmaster or TicketsNow, at either face value or above, since Feb. 2007 in the province of Ontario. So, any Canadian Borderers who fit this profile, check it out! It looks like this may affect concert ticket sales in the future, both in the frozen North and in the good 'ole USA...as other lawyers "follow suit!" I'm bettin' NJ/NY is next in line!

sodascouts
02-09-2009, 11:37 PM
Wow! To be fair to Irving, he wasn't involved with TM back then. If lawsuits start to rain down, he might begin to regret wedding FrontLine/Azoff Music Management to TicketBastard.

On the other hand, if he responds by making some fan-friendly changes... well then, Mr. Azoff can become DA MAN to the fans!

DonFan
02-10-2009, 09:40 AM
This is part of a quote about the whole situation from an entertainment writer with the LA Times:

"This prompted an abject apology from Ticketmaster chief Irving Azoff, the longtime manager of the Eagles, among many other notable artists. Since he's known in the industry as a fiesty, fiercely combative advocate for his artists--years ago, when I wrote something negative about Don Henley, Azoff sent me a Mafia-style bouquet of black roses--having a revered artist like Springsteen complaining about his business practices was a huge PR black eye for Azoff, especially at a time when Ticketmaster is in the midst of a proposed merger with Live Nation. So Azoff didn't beat around the bush, saying: "We clearly missed the mark. Fans are confused and angry, which is the opposite of what we hoped to accomplish. We sincerely apologize to Bruce, his organization, and above all, his fans."

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Black roses! You just gotta love Irving.

Glennsallnighter
02-10-2009, 11:16 AM
Black roses!! :lol:

I agree with what he says, but will he DO SOMETHING about it in order to restore the fans' confidence?

Ive always been a dreamer
02-10-2009, 01:55 PM
I agree with what everyone has said here. I certainly don't want to see Irving held accountable for Ticket Masters' past transgressions that happened before his time. However, being that this is getting so much recent attention (which I am glad about), this is his chance to fix what is broken and do right by the fans. As Soda said, if he takes the opportunity to do that on his watch, then he will deserve much credit.

Freypower
02-10-2009, 08:25 PM
Here is Shorty with Neil Portnow, CEO of the Recording Academy, at the MusicCares tribue to Neil Diamond:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Wallpaper/Miscellaneous/Irving.jpg

Maleah
02-11-2009, 01:07 AM
Ticketmaster partnering with scalpers is such an obvious conflict of interest that it boggles the mind. It's only logical that Ticketmaster WANTS the TicketsNow scalpers to get the best tickets, because that puts more money into TicketMaster's pockets. Now, Irving says that despite the fact that Ticketmaster makes more money when the the TicketsNow scalpers get the best tickets, his company doesn't do anything to 'help' that happen. I hope he's telling the truth.

I HOPE he's telling the truth too.......but when we were 2nd in line to get tickets for the Fargo date.....the tickets had only been on sale for less than 2 minutes and every single section 40 (the entire first section of 5 or 7 rows) was already GONE! It seems a little fishy to me.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-26-2009, 03:51 PM
Well this is a little off topic to begin with, but bear with me and I'll get to Irving. :wink: I'm so bad about turning on my TV that I even forgot to watch President Obama's address to the nation on Tuesday night. Last light when I realized I had missed it I actually did turn on the TV to see if anyone was replaying it. I couldn't find it on TV, but good old YouTube saved the day for me and I watched the address online. However, turning on the TV did 'refresh' my memory about Irving testifying at Senate hearing on Tuesday this week. I did some research and I think he is supposed to testify at a House hearing today. I'm pretty sure there is a hearing today, but I'm not positive is Irving is scheduled to testify. Anyway, I'm going to post several links that I found in my research related to this. Here's the first one:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123517105948436743.html

Ive always been a dreamer
02-26-2009, 03:55 PM
Okay - here is a Chicago Sun Times blog about the hearing testimony:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/derogatis/2009/02/live_blogging_the_senate_heari.html

Ive always been a dreamer
02-26-2009, 03:57 PM
Here is a transcript of the hearing. There is more information if you want to do a web search, but the ones that I've posted here seem to be the most relevant.

http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=3674&wit_id=7621

DonFan
02-26-2009, 04:28 PM
Thanks for posting this, dreamer. I had gotten that first article about Irving a day or two ago as a Google alert, and I have been so busy with my new job that I didn't have time to post it. Very interesting reading.

sodascouts
02-26-2009, 04:50 PM
Very interesting reading - thanks, Dreamer.

It doesn't look good for the merger. As a fan, I have to say, I'm glad. It's easy to see that this merger would not benefit us.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-26-2009, 05:36 PM
First of all, you gotta love the imagery in the first article I posted of Irving conducting business meetings in his bathroom! :shock:

I hope the merger does not get approved either, but if I were a betting girl, I'd bet it does! :-(


I believe that the best interests of the artists, and indeed any performer — whether in music, sports, theater, or other events — will serve the best interests of the fans. It is truly a magical connection.Hmmm - so what Irving is saying here is that the more money the Eagles make will be in our best interest as fans because it will create a magical connection! Okay - get real, Irving!!! :brickwall:


Going forward, we are also going to work to see that the very best seats go on sale directly to the fans.Now, you're talking Irving - good on you! (eagerly awaits with bated breath!!!!):idea:


Secondary ticketing is driving up prices for the fans, with absolutely no benefit to the artist. We cannot just cling to old ways. This merger will allow the live music industry to avoid repeating the mistakes of the record business.See my comment above. And just one more thing, Irving - again, can you please try to explain why it is that the best tickets ALWAYS end up in the hands of these secondary ticket sellers. I understand you said that the artist doesn't benefit, but what about Ticketmaster? :shrug:

sodascouts
02-26-2009, 05:46 PM
And just one more thing, Irving - again, can you please try to explain why it is that the best tickets ALWAYS end up in the hands of these secondary ticket sellers. I understand you said that the artist doesn't benefit, but what about Ticketmaster? :shrug:

Here's your answer, from the above article:


2:30 p.m.: Schumer hammers Ticketmaster's Azoff on the Bruce Springsteen secondary market ticket sales scandal. "You'd rather sell a ticket on [inhouse scalping agency] Tickets Now than Ticketmaster because you make more money," Schumer says.
Azoff waffles but finally admits, "It could be way more."

Prettymaid
02-26-2009, 07:07 PM
Mr. Azoff started young, booking bands in high school in Danville, Ill, a city 130 miles from Chicago. In 1970, he dropped out of the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign and moved to Los Angeles, where his roommate, and first serious client, was Dan Fogelberg, the soon-to-be king of '70s soft rock.

Danville,Ill? That's where I live! That's my hometown! I went to DHS. I had no idea Irving was from here!

TimothyBFan
02-27-2009, 09:04 AM
Don't even get me started!!! Irving needs to get in touch with reality. The "average" fan should come first and foremost. We are what makes the band!! Like it or not, without fans-you don't have a show, you don't sell records and you don't make the money. Simple!!

I'm sorry but I think Irving is a greedy *ss and here is a little proof! From one of the above aritcles when asked "You'd rather sell a ticket on Tickets Now than Ticketmaster because you make more money", his reply sums it up, "It could be way more." And you know he wishes it was! Who's getting that extra money if not the artist?

"Going forward, we are also going to work to see that the very best seats go on sale directly to the fans" Right--WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER-AGAIN!!!

TimothyBFan
03-16-2009, 10:45 AM
More press--I see keep it going--the more press about it the faster things may change!!

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123672740386088613.html

Ive always been a dreamer
03-16-2009, 11:47 AM
Thanks for posting this, TBF. Wow - what a mess! The truth begins to come out. I don't know how anyone can say with a straight face that these practices are in the best interest of the fans. I thought that ILAA was supposed to be the way fans could purchase VIP tickets. Come on guys, do us fans a favor and simplify the process. We really don't need the options of platinum, premium, VIP, etc. How about just making all tickets available to the public on a first come, first serve basis at a fair market value. Okay, if you want to hold back a hundred or so tickets for a fairly priced VIP package, I can deal with that. I'm certainly not opposed to the artists and Ticketmaster making a profit - after all that's what capitalism is all about. But, there is a big difference between making a profit and gouging the fans.

Unfortunately, I don't hold out much hope that the 'powers that be' will do anything significant to fix this. IMHO, the only hope is for more high profile artists to follow the Boss' lead and stand up for their fans. YOU GO BRUCE!!! :yay: :yay: :yay:

sodascouts
03-17-2009, 10:09 PM
The story about Neil Diamond is appalling. Here is an artist's frank perspective on what's happening - an illuminating one. I quoted what I found especially interesting.

Trent Reznor is a member of the alternative rock band Nine Inch Nails. Here's his post about the subject, from their official website (http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?9,548515):


Now we get into the issue of secondary markets for tickets, which is the hot issue here. The ticketing marketplace for rock concerts shows a real lack of sophistication, meaning this: the true market value of some tickets for some concerts is much higher than what the act wants to be perceived as charging. For example, there are some people who would be willing to pay $1,000 and up to be in the best seats for various shows, but MOST acts in the rock / pop world don't want to come off as greedy pricks asking that much, even though the market says its value is that high. The acts know this, the venue knows this, the promoters know this, the ticketing company knows this and the scalpers really know this. So...

The venue, the promoter, the ticketing agency and often the artist camp (artist, management and agent) take tickets from the pool of available seats and feed them directly to the re-seller (which from this point on will be referred to by their true name: SCALPER).

TimothyBFan
03-18-2009, 07:46 AM
"Don't buy from scalpers, and be suspect of artists singing the praises of the Live Nation / TicketMaster merger. What's in it for them?"

This statement just sums it up for me!

I'm begging the legislators...
DO SOMETHING!!!

I love going to concerts but I'm about to start my own little boycott!

AzEaglesFan
04-07-2009, 02:55 AM
TicketMaster is in trouble in Arizona. A lady tried to buy tickets to see Robin Williams and when she went on line it directed her to TicketsNow site. The tickets were $75 each on TM but TicketsNow were selling them for $100. She ended up paying $237.00 for 2 tickets. When she got her receipt they sent her copies of tickets and when she called them they told her that the copies would be honored at the door.The night of the show she was turned away and they told her that the show was sold out and that her copies were no good. She turned them in to "Three on your side" a program that helps people that have been cheated by companies, and they went after TM for her a refund. TM stated that the show was sold out and the TicketsNow was a site where people that had bought tickets but couldn't use them for some reason could resell their tickets and that they would investigate the matter for her. The show brought up the Springsteen mess and said that TM had been fined $350,000. They also warned people to never pay for tickets with their Debit card if you pay with your Credit card you can dispute the charge.

TimothyBFan
04-07-2009, 07:40 AM
I cringe every time I hear about something like that. I remember that when I bought our tickets for Cincinnati from TicketsNow and didn't really rest easy till we were in the arena because I feared something like that would happen.

I heard on the news this morning that StubHub is up in arms also and doesn't think the merger should be allowed to go thru between Live Nation and Ticketmaster. I wonder when all of this will actually happen.

ticky
05-28-2009, 11:47 AM
Thanks to @BasicRob from twitter for this article. Pretty interesting and a screencap of Joe from a video I have yet to find or see (let me know if any of ya'll find it!)
All Things Digital - Irving Azoff interview (http://d7.allthingsd.com/20090527/irving-azoff/?mod=ATD_skybox)

http://d.smugmug.com/photos/547637188_ZnmxD-L.jpg

TimothyBFan
05-28-2009, 11:56 AM
I just saw that Rob posted this on Twitter and like I said there, and I will repeat it, Irving makes me sick!!!

sodascouts
05-28-2009, 06:41 PM
At least Azoff says it's a bad idea to sue one's customers. I give him props for that!

Brooke
06-03-2009, 12:22 PM
Just read about another Irving acquisition over at CMT.

CMT News (http://www.cmt.com/news)

Kenny Chesney's Management Acquired by Front Line
May 13, 2009
The management firm representing Kenny Chesney, Big & Rich and Gretchen Wilson, has been acquired by Irving Azoff's Front Line Management, according to Billboard magazine. Dale Morris & Associates has represented Chesney since 1993 and has been his only management home. Morris was also Alabama's manager until the band retired in 2004. Front Line Management is already established in Nashville with business connections to RPM Management and Spalding Entertainment. The company is a division of Ticketmaster Entertainment.

AzEaglesFan
06-03-2009, 03:05 PM
If Irving keeps this up he will own all the touring acts and control all the tickets sales to go see them.

TimothyBFan
06-04-2009, 07:56 AM
I briefly caught something on the news today about Live Nation doing away with some fees this summer on Wednesday's???? Didn't catch the whole story and haven't bothered to look it up yet. Know it's just going to get my blood pressure up anyways.

Prettymaid
06-11-2009, 05:11 PM
Did you guys know that Irving is from my hometown of Danville, IL?
We both graduated from good ole' DHS, he years before me of course :wink:.
The maintainence man where I work told me that he went to high school with Irving,
but did not run in the same circles.
He was able to tell me where Irving lived and I snapped a picture of it today.

http://i510.photobucket.com/albums/s348/chilca0001/EricandCathyatHome008.jpg

It happens to be for sale if any of you want to buy it!

http://www.coldwellbanker.com/servlet/PropertyListing?action=detail&ComColdwellbankerDataProperty_id=42161059&page=property&brand=CB

MikeA
06-11-2009, 05:14 PM
I might could afford one of the flowers...not the scrubs. But they would have to include insured delivery in the price. I'd go as high as $.75

anne-o-gg
06-12-2009, 04:39 PM
I briefly caught something on the news today about Live Nation doing away with some fees this summer on Wednesday's???? Didn't catch the whole story and haven't bothered to look it up yet. Know it's just going to get my blood pressure up anyways.

I saw that too...on another note, my kids like Miley Cyrus and we saw where she is doing paperless tickets to put the hammer on those horrible people who buy up all the tickets and re-sell them at 150% profit - cheers to her for that...we can only hope that everyone else will catch on and do this too...

now...back to Irving - nice home...Danville is familiar to me, but I can't think of why...it'll come to me...

sodascouts
06-12-2009, 05:12 PM
What a lovely home!

sodascouts
09-05-2009, 03:58 PM
Here's a recent article about Ticketmaster attempting to buy up the major scalpers and incorporate them into their network in order to get a piece of the pie to divide up amongst itself, the venues... and the acts. The deal fell apart, though, and is no longer necessary if the Live Nation merger goes through and they are able to completely control the marketplace.

Read more here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125141597320965247.html

Timothy gets a passing mention. I'll snip that part here for the curious who don't wish to read the whole article.


Under the plan, the consortium led by Ticketmaster and its then-parent, IAC/InterActiveCorp., was to acquire the six regional ticket brokers for as much as $25 million apiece and give them seats on the new venture's board. (Ticketmaster was spun off last year by IAC and subsequently acquired a majority stake in Mr. Azoff's Front Line Management, installing him as CEO of the combined entity. A spokeswoman for IAC declined to comment.)

Mr. Azoff and the other executives emphasized "how big it was going to be, how it was going to crush Live Nation," recalls a person who attended. "We'd go forward and make lots and lots of money." At a dinner later, Timothy B. Schmit, a member of the Eagles, one of Mr. Azoff's longtime management clients, stopped by.

AzEaglesFan
10-05-2009, 01:45 AM
In this weeks issue of People mag there are pictures of the Khloe Kardashian/Lamar Odom wedding. The label on one of the pictures read "The nuptials took place at the home of music mogul Irving Azoff, a Kardashian family friend. It looks like a garden wedding.

sodascouts
10-05-2009, 10:53 AM
Wow, that's a surprise! These folks are rich enough to get married anywhere - why use somebody else's house?

AzEaglesFan
10-05-2009, 02:58 PM
I would say that Irving would probably have a home and garden that is the best that money can buy and they probably didn't have to pay him anything to use his home if he is a family friend.

Prettymaid
10-05-2009, 05:21 PM
Wouldn't you just love to see Irving's house and garden? And all the Eagles' homes too for that matter!

Glennsallnighter
10-05-2009, 06:22 PM
Mmmmm! I think Glenn :heart: had the interior of his house featured in a magazine a few years ago, when his kids were a lot younger. It looked divine.

There is some information on a previous thread. I think here
http://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1017

GlennLover
10-05-2009, 08:00 PM
Mmmmm! I think Glenn :heart: had the interior of his house featured in a magazine a few years ago, when his kids were a lot younger. It looked divine.

He'll have to have an article done featuring his new house. I'm sure that it would be just as tastefully decorated :thumbsup:.

TimothyBFan
11-02-2009, 10:44 AM
I know this is an old thread but I just had to show you all what one of the new threads over the weekend is from my Sweet board. It's titled "Ticketmaster Con" and the first post in it is this...

"WHAT A CON! Ticketmaster now lets you print out your own tickets. Fair enough... BUT THEY CHARGE YOU. They charge me to use my own ink - AND YOU HAVE TO PRINT A WHOLE SHEET OF A4 for EACH TICKET. AND IT'S COLOUR, my own electricity, my own printer. THEY SHOULD PAY ME! I'VE EVEN SAVED THEM THE PRICE OF POSTAGE!!! As you will know my friends I very rarely have an opinion about anything much, but on this issue I am prepared to make a stand. COME THE REVOLUTION....."

Now mind you, this is in the UK.

We aren't the only ones disgusted here.

sodascouts
11-02-2009, 11:22 AM
Ugh, yes, I hate that fee. It makes no sense. Just another way that TM gouges fans, knowing they have nowhere else to turn unless they want to walk up to the box office or go to a broker.

sodascouts
11-10-2009, 04:35 PM
An expose on Ticketmaster and Keith Urban (Sorry Keith Urban fans). I'm thinking maybe I should rename the thread Irving Azoff / Ticketmaster news.

Anyway, here is an investigative report by News Channel 5 (http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=11469165), which I found via Bob Lefsetz's blog (http://www.boblefsetz.com).


False Hopes Fuel Keith Urban's Ticket Frenzy (http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=11469165#)

Prettymaid
11-10-2009, 04:58 PM
Disgraceful! :enraged: Something needs to be done about this kind of crap and it can't happen too soon for me!

TimothyBFan
11-10-2009, 05:13 PM
This just makes me sick and makes me wonder just how many other artists are doing the same thing. I bet it's pretty wide spread. And I know it's inevitable that someone is saying maybe Keith didn't know. Granted, he might not have but these artist need to make sure that they are hiring people that will look out for their fans and not there bulging wallets. If only I had a dollar for every time I've said this, I would be able to buy an Eagles ticket... Without your fans, you have NOTHING!!!! We are the ones that buy anything with your name on it so thank us by giving us affordable tickets! Yeah right!

luvthelighthouse
11-10-2009, 05:23 PM
I seriously do not understand how this is going on. When a show goes on sale, how is it legal to “hold” or “pull out” the best tickets? Then sell them, or “resell” them at a premium? I’m sorry, but I just do not understand how they stringmasters have been able to find enough loopholes to keep this legal. It’s terrible!

Hardcore fans know that if you hold out and wait to the last minute, many tickets get released at face value, for great seats. Thus the reason I and others have been lucky enough to get first five rows w/out paying outrageous prices. However, the average everyday fan may not know this and pay money they don’t really have, just so they can see an artist they love.

First off, ticket prices are WAY too high to start with… then add in all the other “legal” garbage that goes on, it’s ridiculous what shows cost. I remember when concert tickets were $19-$39 dollars...and I’m not all that old! Granted, I get inflation, but seriously, anything over $100 is crazy. Seeing as how most shows are only 90 mins or less, this is approx $1 a minute. I have to stop, it pains me to discuss this more at this time.

Brooke
11-10-2009, 10:11 PM
This is ridiculous and it doesn't surprise me one bit. And I bet most other acts touring out there are doing the same things.

I'm a huge Keith fan, but have only been to one show which I bought at the last minute for face value ($100 I think) over a year ago. I just can't afford these prices much as I love their music.

I still feel guilty when I think of spending $800 a piece for 2 5- star tickets to see the Eagles last fall, but I did save for it specifically. Talk about inflated prices?! Do you really think what Keith has done is worse? We just don't know everything yet.

luvthelighthouse
11-10-2009, 10:43 PM
Honestly, I don't think that what Keith did is any better or worse than any other act, including the Eagles. Keith said there were cheap tix and there were, just not the whole venue. All these acts know what's up. They know how much their tix go for and they know very well that the best seats are held back and sold at scalper prices. They in turn reap the performance profits. I get that this is musicians have a job and they need to pay for it and their road crew... but c'mon, think of the money that just one show and one arena brings in. Ugh, I get so mad when I think about it, I can't even type my thoughts in a clear fashion to get me point across.

TimothyBFan
11-11-2009, 09:58 AM
I agree Keith is doing nothing that MOST other artists and Ticketmaster aren't doing, including the Eagles. I, like Brooke, also get totally upset with myself when I think about how much money I spent last year for those concerts we went to but yet I paid it and now I gripe about it. Yes I LOVED the shows but I feel no fan should have to spend that kind of money to see them. I for one have vowed never to do it again! I will not pay that kind of money again. I have seen several concerts since (a couple I'm happy to report I didn't have to deal with Ticketmaster on) but not one of the prices of a ticket compared to what I paid for 4 Eagles tickets. In fact, I can probably honestly say all the tickets I have bought this year didn't add up to the total of those 4 tickets. I have been on Ticketmaster for weeks now trying to pull up decent seats for the Jonny Lang concert on Saturday night at $49 or $39 a piece they seem to be a bargain---till you add in the $8.50 a piece service fee and another $2.00 to print them out on my own paper using my own ink. Ridiculous!! It just makes me sick! But yet I keep dealing with Ticketmaster because I want to see these shows and they have to market on the tickets. What's a fan to do other than not attend concerts that deal with Ticketmaster. I'm trying desperately to do that as much as possible.

eaglesvet
11-11-2009, 12:12 PM
That makes me sad to hear about Keith...he certainly seemed sincere! But maybe he didn't know, or maybe he did. Anyway, I know I hadn't been able to get tix to his tour this past summer (from TM). I have alway refused to pay more than face value for ANYBODY, and so I don't go through the secondary market. It's bad enough once you buy the ticket and the fees, especially if you go for the good seats, which I admit I'm getting spoiled enough to do in the vast majority of cases.

Case in point about the ridiculousness of the TM fees (piggy-backing onto Willie's post)-- My undergrad alma mater Cornell is going to be playing hockey at Madison Square Garden against Boston University (both are traditional hockey powerhouses as well as longtime rivals) late in November. True to form, I waited too long to buy tix from the university, and so had to buy from...horrors... Ticketmaster. Although the tix are in the 4th tier nosebleed (almost sold-out a month ahead of time) and only $25 pp, the TM fees were $6.25 pp, which really got my goat...since we had 9 people going! Rrrrr! Oh well, I'm sure we'll get over it... They had the same match-up two years ago, and the Garden was literally packed with a sea of red (both schools), but I bet it was 75% Cornell fans from the looks and especially sounds of it! Although we handily lost then, I'm sure we are out to avenge that loss this year! With the famous cheer of the Big Red (no offense to any alums of the other sides): "Screw BU... And Harvard too!" :laugh:

sodascouts
11-11-2009, 12:27 PM
Keith Urban is not alone in this, I know, but when he brags about lowering ticket prices to $20 because "people are hurting" while simultaneously approving measures that ensure "out of almost 15,000 tickets at his 'Escape Together' show in Nashville, there were really only 389 tickets available to the public for $20" he comes across as an insincere hypocrite.

EagleLady
11-11-2009, 12:32 PM
I take Huge offense to that comment. Keith doesn't seem like the type to be insincere or a hypocrite.

TimothyBFan
11-11-2009, 12:36 PM
Hey--give him a break--maybe Nicole needed a new pair of shoes!:hilarious:

I choose to believe that Ticketmaster is one of the biggest problems!!! Waaaay back in the olden days (70s/80s) you used to be able to call, get a real person and pick the seat/section you wanted. If it was available you got it WITHOUT extra fees that matched the $$ you are spending on the seat.

sodascouts
11-11-2009, 12:42 PM
I take Huge offense to that comment. Keith doesn't seem like the type to be insincere or a hypocrite.

Well, it's my opinion and I am entitled to it. ;)

Sorry you take such Huge offense despite the fact my opinion on Keith Urban has nothing to do with you. Unless you guys are related or something?

EagleLady
11-11-2009, 12:51 PM
No, I am a big fan though. Keith just doesn't come off as the type of guy who would screw over his fans.

sodascouts
11-12-2009, 01:21 PM
Bob Lefsetz (http://www.boblefsetz.com/) posted this today:

And Irving says he's got the technology and the willingness to show exactly what tickets are on sale for a gig, and will soon have the ability to auction them off/variable price them like airline tickets.

What do you guys think this will mean for us?

luvthelighthouse
11-12-2009, 01:27 PM
Higher prices still...

How about just kickin' old school. Release ALL the tickets and give them a realistic price and sell them... they'd still be making a fortune.

Prettymaid
11-12-2009, 01:27 PM
Low bidder. :wave: :sigh:

sodascouts
11-12-2009, 01:31 PM
If there are auctions for the tickets, I think I may have bought my last up-front seat. No way will I be able to compete with the more well-heeled fans.

ETA: Does this mean that one will not be able to buy tickets at the box office until the end of the online auctions?

TimothyBFan
11-12-2009, 01:34 PM
When are they going to stop this man? That is insane. I'm with ltlh-- do it the old way and let the common schmo have a chance!! This just makes my blood preasure rise!!

Prettymaid
11-12-2009, 01:36 PM
This is a bunch of :cuss: (insert your favorite curse word)! What can we do? Write our legislators?

sodascouts
11-12-2009, 01:40 PM
I say if you've toiled hard and long in the alley, you're entitled to make the dough. That's your choice, charge up the yin-yang.

Easy for this rich guy to say. He'll be the one front and center.

sodascouts
11-12-2009, 01:46 PM
PM - I dont think there's anything we can do. We live in a capitalist society and they can charge whatever the market will bear (or more, if they don't mind a lot of empty seats). All we can do is hope they take pity on us....

But don't hold your breath.

Prettymaid
11-12-2009, 01:47 PM
They are completey forgetting the fans! Fans come in all sizes, shapes, colors and tax brackets!

sodascouts
11-12-2009, 01:51 PM
Auctions will have us all hoping that no one wants to see our favorite bands but us. Heck, we'll be bidding against EACH OTHER.

Prettymaid
11-12-2009, 01:52 PM
I just don't understand how all of this can be legal!

luvthelighthouse
11-12-2009, 01:55 PM
I just don't understand how all of this can be legal!

Thank you!!! That's what I was getting at yesterday! How the f is this legal??? How? It's scalping your own ticket!

I guess I'll go back to seeing house bands and enjoying the big bands via youtube or videos they'll likely release.

It's total crap IMO!

sodascouts
11-12-2009, 02:18 PM
I think the false advertising they've been doing should be illegal, but auctions are fairly straightforward. "Here's a front row ticket. Bid for it."

They'll probably sell this move as totally fan friendly, dontcha know, 'cause it's transparent and that's all we REALLY care about right?

Yeah. Right.

The reason we didn't like scalpers was because the prices were so high, not because we were upset more money wasn't going to the band or that charges were hidden! We care about that total we see on our bank statement. So if their way to cut out scalpers makes the tickets cost more, are we supposed to be happy about that???

Government can't restrict this because this isn't gas. It's not insurance that we're forced to buy. It's a luxury that we can do without, so why should they step in? As long as Azoff is up front about it, they're not doing anything wrong LEGALLY.

Now, the Eagles can CHOOSE to make good tickets available for a lower price, but they have shown no desire to do that. And what is a "good price" really? Is $100 too much to ask for a top tier seat? $90? $80?

I admit I can see the problem from their side a little, but it's out of control. The auction format will leave us all behind, though, and that makes me sad.

Troubadour
11-12-2009, 02:30 PM
I've read this thread from start to finish today - and now I need a drink! It's seriously depressing. Not wishing to sound naive, I know it's all about business and money-making, but geez! It shouldn't be. It really does making you lose respect for the artists, even if guys like Irving are pulling the strings. The artists have to be complicit, surely?

Jon Bon Jovi was asked about ticket prices on This Morning, in the last week (a UK magazine show.) He seemed quite taken aback, he stuttered quite a lot and basically said that he wasn't aware that prices had been particularly high, immediately questioned which newspaper had printed this, and then seemed to kind of back down and said "Well, I guess I AM in control of it... although obviously I'm not right now. If there's a problem, I'll look into it." Either he didn't have a clue, or he was just covering (badly). It all seems so seedy and messy - and completely deceitful. So much for: "you don’t have a f**king clue what those men up in the towers are doing to me and you, and they’ll keep doin’ it and doin’ it until we wake up." And what exactly ARE we meant to do once we 'wake up'? It seems we don't really have a choice.

This is the problem though. Despite how much Ticketmaster and the whole practice pisses me off, I'm giving them money. I know how much I love Don Henley and the Eagles, and I know I would be prepared to pay the highest price I could to see them. Even if I knew, in my head, it was an obscene amount to pay for a concert. That's my own stupidity - but it's exactly what Irving & Crew prey on.

sodascouts
11-12-2009, 02:47 PM
But the barons in the balcony are laughing
And pointing to the pit
They say, “Aw look, they’ve grown accustomed to the smell
Now, people love that shit
And we're workin’ it.”

- Don Henley

Brooke
11-12-2009, 02:52 PM
This is really pathetic. If this all comes down, I've probably gone to my last big concert. It's a shame that the average fan will not be able to afford to see their favorite band. Most of the tickets will go to the rich people. :worried:

TimothyBFan
11-12-2009, 03:19 PM
As I read on and on here, I'm more and more happy I finally got to see them twice last year because I've already said there will be no more of me spending that kind of money for a concert ever again (unless I win that dumb lottery) and this just seals that deal. I can't afford them to be any higher!

I'm with you Troub-it p*sses me off that I have actually done it then I want to sit here and b*tch about doing it! They got my money! You know what makes me just as mad as the price of the ticket, the whole outrageous fee thing! Like I said in the Jonny Lang thread, my 3 tickets that had face values of $49.00 a piece ended up also costing me $32.00 extra in fees- almost the price of another ticket- and included in that is a $2.50 fee for printing them off with my ink in my printer using my electric. WTH?

The only way to put a stop to it is when they can no longer sell tickets because everyone decides not to give them anymore money. Like that will ever happen! But this is one chick that will NOT be dong it any longer. I made a vow months ago no more tickets over $50.00-$60.00 each. Limits the concerts I go to but something has to be done!

Maleah
01-17-2010, 01:53 AM
Should be interesting to see how it works when Walmart starts selling Ticketmaster tickets! Wonder if my friends that still work there would get a discount.......nah......this is Irving and Ticketmaster we're talking about. lol

sodascouts
01-17-2010, 01:56 PM
I've divvied up this thread to try and make it easier for people to find things on specific topics. It was a freaking nightmare because I had to deal with...

1) Posts about Irving Azoff's Personal Life
2) Posts about Irving Azoff as Eagles manager
3) Posts about Irving Azoff as Ticketmaster CEO
4) Posts about Eagles on Ticketmaster or Eagles ticket prices
5) Post about other acts on Ticketmaster or prices in general
6) Some combination of the above which I will have to categorize using my discretion about where it would best fit
7) Some combination of the above where there are replies involved that it would be problematic to separate from other posts, even though they may not be about the exact same issues

But, I've done my best. So, in addition to this thread, I've created two others into which I've re-categorized some posts:

Irving Azoff news (Eagles-related) (http://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2228)

Eagles Ticket Prices (http://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2229)

Glennsallnighter
01-17-2010, 05:55 PM
Cool Nancy! It was beginning to get a but bunged up. Thanks.

sodascouts
01-26-2010, 09:54 PM
And the Ticketmaster/LiveNation merger's happening, it appears, with some modifications.

See the Department of Justice site regarding Antitrust (http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2010/January/10-at-081.html).

For a summary rather than the full DOJ release, go here (http://kara.allthingsd.com/20100125/ticketmaster-live-nation-merger-gets-conditional-thumbs-up-from-doj-plus-d7-video-with-ceo-azoff/?mod=ATD_rss).

MikeA
01-26-2010, 10:43 PM
Well what da ya know! Someone with good lawyers put it together and the Powers That Be took notice and did something about it.

I hope it does end up trickling down to concert goers.

sodascouts
03-29-2010, 12:35 AM
Looks like Axl Rose has earned Irving's ire!


Axl Rose Sued by Ex-Manager (http://www.new-years-eve-manchester.co.uk/axl-rose-sued-by-ex-manager/)

TimothyBFan
03-29-2010, 08:32 AM
Ok-Am I the only one that thinks it's weird that someone like Irving would make a "verbal agreement" and not have it put in writing? Something just seems strange about it all. JMO!

Brooke
03-29-2010, 09:54 AM
I with you, TBF. Very strange.

Molly
03-29-2010, 10:27 AM
Anyone else think that shot of Axl looks like a bad yearbook photo?

luvthelighthouse
03-29-2010, 10:34 AM
First off, verbal agreement? That sounds a bit off base. However, the more I learn, Irving has to be one of the greediest ba$tards on Earth! So, if the lawsuit is true, I'm not the least bit surprised.

Ive always been a dreamer
03-29-2010, 11:27 AM
Anyone else think that shot of Axl looks like a bad yearbook photo?

:nod:

And I initially had the exact same reaction about the verbal agreement. Then I figured that after a long-term relationship between a client and manager that it is possible that they may have thought they had an 'understanding'. Maybe they once had a written contract that had expired and rather than draw up new papers, they agreed to continue 'business as usual' with a handshake. Or maybe one of the lawyers just screwed up and failed to get the paperwork in order. But even if some of these 'what ifs' are true, it does seem a bit weird.

TimothyBFan
03-29-2010, 11:38 AM
:nod:
Then I figured that after a long-term relationship between a client and manager that it is possible that they may have thought they had an 'understanding'.

And since Axl has always proven to be so trustworthy..... :hilarious: (Hey, I've been a huge fan of his & GNR for years but I wouldn't trust him!)

sodascouts
04-26-2010, 01:35 AM
A blog on Azoff by a guy named David Segal:

Irving Azoff: They're Calling Almost Everyone's Tune (http://steveleeds.wordpress.com/2010/04/25/irving-azoffthey%E2%80%99re-calling-almost-everyone%E2%80%99s-tune/)

Freypower
04-26-2010, 03:54 AM
Thanks for posting that Soda. I always like knowing what is ticking away in Irving's fiendish brain. :pimp:

TimothyBFan
04-26-2010, 08:47 AM
I guess I will never know but I sure do like to think that if I had ever gotten rich and famous, I WOULDN'T act like Mr. Azoff or some of his cronies and clients! Setting menus on fire, sending snakes to people, encouraging clients to use chainsaws on hotel walls. Seriously!! :eyebrow:

eaglesvet
04-27-2010, 09:18 AM
He sounds like a real loser, definitely someone I wouldn't respect, no matter how rich.

pueblo47
04-27-2010, 09:32 AM
He sounds like a real loser, definitely someone I wouldn't respect, no matter how rich.

He sure has fought his way up, not caring who he hurt either, but it seems like most of the big shots leave lots of bodies behind on the road to wealth. Leave most of their humanity, compassion for others too. Got to be a mind-set, coupled with utter ruthlessness and determination, that few of us possess. Henley and Glenn love him, Henley lived with him for a while off and on in the early years. Who's to say how big the Eagles would have become if not for him. He also managed Journey during the 80s, along with other artists so he's been a busy little guy in his unique destructive way........

luvthelighthouse
08-03-2010, 11:54 PM
From Lefsetz:


Irving Azoff now on Twitter: http://bit.ly/9pXtZk (http://bit.ly/9pXtZk) Yes, the real one. Follow him, send him messages, get him involved.

sodascouts
08-04-2010, 01:05 AM
I doubt he'll stick with it. His very first substantive tweet: "so if you want ticket prices to go down stop stealing music." The contempt for Twitter's users - whom he apparently visualizes as a throng of unruly teens and twenty-somethings illegally downloading mp3s - is obvious.

And what a cop out! Tickets are priced according to their market value, not according to the percentile of fans who may be downloading music illegally (as if he even knows what that percentile is).

Not the best way to begin.

TimothyBFan
08-04-2010, 08:20 AM
I think it's best I don't follow him! Just reading the above has spiked my blood pressure! What an arrogant..... :enraged:

luvthelighthouse
08-04-2010, 10:54 AM
I dunno... since his ego is so big, this is just another platform for his to "share" this thoughts.

Troubadour
08-04-2010, 11:30 AM
Yeah... for your own health, stay away, Willie!

Eve
08-04-2010, 03:40 PM
Azoff reminds me of a little troll sitting under his bridge guarding his gold.

sodascouts
08-04-2010, 05:19 PM
I have been remiss on my Tweeting, but I think I'll follow him just so we can comment on his tweets here. Willie, perhaps you should skip this thread entirely, at least until I tire of reading his Twitter.

Fun from today:

Glenn Peoples of Billboard comments on the tweet we quoted above (scroll down): Business Matters (http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/content_display/industry/e3i266ae09ea03f4027e1e9d1da4296067c)

Azoff's tweet in response: "glenn peoples u r a jerk. how dare you twist that personal overview thought to be bad news for consumers and shareholders. uknowbetter"

Perez Hilton tweets on it as well: "I love artists. But blaming concertgoers for ticket prices is wrong. Wrong attitude. Wrong approach."

Azoff's response: "not blaming. Justpointing out that it's theonly way an artist can pay their bills anymore"

Maybe he will stick with this after all! He has tweeted several times today, mostly to promote Christina Aguilera. Apparently her new album will "blow [our] minds" and we should immediately go see the video for "You Lost Me" which is "one of the greatest performances ever by a female artist" (high praise)! He tells fans that seeing the video for the song will "help make it a hit!"

Azoff obviously understands the marketing potential of YouTube. Apparently he has been unable to convince the Eagles of it. What a shame! @eagles listen 2 ur BFF @irvingazoff! ;)

TimothyBFan
08-05-2010, 09:07 AM
He really is a funny little "Satan" isn't he? :hilarious: What a jerk!

It's like a car wreck--I just can't seem to look away even tho I know it will repulse me!

Prettymaid
08-05-2010, 09:39 AM
Maybe he will stick with this after all! He has tweeted several times today, mostly to promote Christina Aguilera. Apparently her new album will "blow [our] minds" and we should immediately go see the video for "You Lost Me" which is "one of the greatest performances ever by a female artist" (high praise)! He tells fans that seeing the video for the song will "help make it a hit!"

Azoff obviously understands the marketing potential of YouTube. Apparently he has been unable to convince the Eagles of it. What a shame! @eagles listen 2 ur BFF @irvingazoff! ;)

I bit. I went to YouTube and watched the video he's promoting and remembered that Christina did that song on the American Idol finale. Not having been a fan, this is what I posted about her performance in the AI thread.


I always enjoy the finale show. Whenever someone starts to sing a song, you know the person or band who made the song famous is going to come out. Last night was fun, perhaps better than last year. I enjoyed Chicago - just brought back great memories for me and although I don't know very much Christina Aguilara I was blown away by her performance. That's the way it's done - you don't need a weird performance gimmick - just go out there and sing.

I believe I was comparing her to Lady Gag Me - I mean Gaga.

EagleLady
08-05-2010, 10:41 AM
Hey! Lady Gaga has some pretty good songs :partytime:

Prettymaid
08-05-2010, 10:43 AM
Lol! I knew that comment would bring you here EL! To each their own, I guess!

EagleLady
08-05-2010, 11:31 AM
Mindreaders :hilarious:

sodascouts
08-07-2010, 05:20 PM
I remember when Christina Aguilera was first starting out as a teen (oh my gosh, I can't believe she's 30 this year). She has a great voice and I loved her! When she started going the "nasty" route with Stripped, she lost me for the most part (although I still liked some of her songs, such as "Beautiful?). That voice is still amazing. It was more Irving's usage of Twitter to encourage fans to go to YouTube and see her video that amused me, considering attitudes that have been expressed elsewhere. ;)

sodascouts
08-07-2010, 09:33 PM
Just saw this article:

LiveNation's Azoff Goes on the Defensive, Again: Revenue is Down, The Music Business Is a Mess, and the Scalpers Just Won't Let Up (http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/07/23/live-nations-azoff-goes-on-the-defensive-again/)

TimothyBFan
08-09-2010, 08:47 AM
" his company's 2009 revenue was down well below expectations at $365 million from $450 million the year before."

Well it's no wonder he's upset!!! :eyebrow: They only pulled in $365K!!

" he seems to have had it up to here with scalpers and the so-called secondary ticket business."

Excuse me- but how are they getting ahold of the best tickets in the venues before the tickets even go on sell to the public? I'd bet a vital organ that he/they are making plenty of $$ on those also!!!

sodascouts
08-24-2010, 01:01 PM
via Bob Lefsetz, I found out Ticketmaster now has a blog, purportedly to help the consumer understanding pricing: http://blog.ticketmaster.com/

TimothyBFan
08-24-2010, 01:29 PM
I see where they are trying a bit but..... tell me why you charge me a fee of $2.50 to print my own ticket, with my own printer, and my own paper. That's just a little fee I'd like the answer to. So what, you are putting it all up front, but why are these fees so large? Why are tickets so expensive? And hiding them in the upfront cost really doesn't make a difference to me I guess. Bottom line-it's still the same price as they always were. How about just getting rid of the fees altogether or at least lowering them. One of our local venues has fees also, it's a whopping $2.00, PERIOD!

And the line, "One of the additional challenges in the live event business is that we as an industry often don’t price our inventory properly relative to what consumers are willing to pay. Sometimes we price it too high, sometimes we price it too low." When? Has anyone here or anyone you know ever said "that ticket was priced way to low, but I bought it anyways." :eyebrow:.

This will be an interesting blog to follow and see where it goes from here.

sodascouts
08-24-2010, 01:47 PM
They say they're doing away with the print-at-home charges (finally)!


And the line, "One of the additional challenges in the live event business is that we as an industry often don’t price our inventory properly relative to what consumers are willing to pay. Sometimes we price it too high, sometimes we price it too low." When? Has anyone here or anyone you know ever said "that ticket was priced way to low, but I bought it anyways." :eyebrow:.
When they say tickets have been "priced too low," they don't mean people didn't buy them at that price - quite the contrary. What they mean is that they could have made more money off of those people if they had priced it higher, because the people still would have been willing to buy the ticket at a higher price (theoretically). I think they point at ticket scalpers to justify that mentality.

That statement is a bit galling. Are we supposed to feel sorry for them in those cases? Aw, poor martyrs, pricing things lower than market value when they could have gotten more money out of us! BOO-FREAKING-HOO.

I like transparency, but what I'd like even better are lower prices for my fave bands (Eagles and Fleetwood Mac).

TimothyBFan
08-24-2010, 02:18 PM
They say they're doing away with the print-at-home charges (finally)!

I must have missed that. Good.



When they say tickets have been "priced too low," they don't mean people didn't buy them at that price - quite the contrary. What they mean is that they could have made more money off of those people if they had priced it higher, because the people still would have been willing to buy the ticket at a higher price (theoretically). I think they point at ticket scalpers to justify that mentality.

I understood that, I was just being sarcastic. :hilarious:


That statement is a bit galling. Are we supposed to feel sorry for them in those cases? Aw, poor martyrs, pricing things lower than market value when they could have gotten more money out of us! BOO-FREAKING-HOO.

Got that right!!! That's why I'm feeling very little remorse about the things I say about it. And I'm sure not going to feel any different just because they start a blog to try to "explain" it to stupid little ol' me!!


I like transparency, but what I'd like even better are lower prices for my fave bands (Eagles and Fleetwood Mac).

That's what I've been saying also!!! AMEN!!

AzEaglesFan
12-27-2010, 02:10 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101226/ap_on_en_mu/us_concert_ticket_prices
This doesn't mention the Eagles but I wonder if it will effect their ticket prices.

Prettymaid
12-27-2010, 08:21 AM
Prices for front row seats may actually go up as part of Live Nation's bid to grab revenue that might otherwise go to resellers (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101226/ap_on_en_mu/us_concert_ticket_prices#). But the company has said it wants to cut prices even further for the cheap seats to let in more fans.

Grrrrrrrr........:-x

That's awfully BIG of them! :eyebrow:

sodascouts
12-27-2010, 11:26 PM
These guys are shrewd. They know the hardcores will pony up extra cash to sit in the good seats; the casual fan is the one who will shrug off a concert if the price is too high. Lower the price of the cheaper seats to get those guys back and make it up by raising the prices for the hardcores who will come no matter what. Live Nation/TM loses nothing monetarily and gets to brag about how they are oh-so-generously lowering prices (check out the way the article is worded - "cheap concert seats due after cruel summer of 2010"). It's a good business model - just consider it another way we hardcore fans can help out our favorite bands. :unimpressed:

sodascouts
01-31-2011, 10:15 PM
Check it out - Irving Azoff and his wife Shelli have been awarded the "Spirit of Life" award for their contributions to the City of Hope hospital (see more here (http://www.undercover.fm/news/13564-shelli-and-irving-azoff-to-receive-city-of-hope-award).) They're celebrating with a family day at Universal Studios! How awesome is that?

Trivia: Back in 1982, Fleetwood Mac did a benefit for the City of Hope in honor of Stevie Nicks' recently deceased best friend, Robin Anderson (listen to Stevie's demo "City of Hope" here (http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/sn/MP3/cityofhope.mp3)). Don Henley showed up and he and Stevie did Leather and Lace with the rest of Fleetwood Mac backing them - the only time that's ever happened. Opening for the band that night: Glenn Frey and Joe Walsh.

GlennLover
02-01-2011, 12:22 AM
That's cool! Interesting trivia.

Brooke
02-01-2011, 02:54 PM
Wow! Very interesting! I wonder if they all got together for a visit after the shows? Probably not! lol

Prettymaid
03-15-2011, 02:03 PM
This article was in last night's local paper. A Danville, IL alderman would like to see Irving Azoff get a celebrity sign in Danville. You can get an idea of what the sign would look like from the photo.


Alderman Terry Baldwin, Ward 4, said he would like to see the "Way" honor one of the most powerful executives in the music business, Irving Azoff, as well as a national leader in education, Reggie Weaver.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/community-events/2011-03-14/danville-alderman-wants-two-names-added-cele

sodascouts
03-15-2011, 11:06 PM
What a proud moment for Irving if this man should have his way! lol

Prettymaid
03-16-2011, 07:25 AM
Oh yeah, I'm sure Irving would rush home to Danville for a photo op and cake and punch at the local civic center. :wink:

MikeA
03-16-2011, 07:58 AM
Oh yeah, I'm sure Irving would rush home to Danville for a photo op and cake and punch at the local civic center. :wink:

And why NOT Cathy? He could probably charge $50 a ticket for his hommies to honor him!

TimothyBFan
03-16-2011, 08:56 AM
And why NOT Cathy? He could probably charge $50 a ticket for his hommies to honor him!

:hilarious: I was thinking the same thing!

Midnight_Flyer
04-11-2011, 10:14 AM
i'm watching a programme on tv about Christina Aguilera (on the E! Entertainment channel) and i just found out that Irving Azoff became her new manager

sodascouts
06-20-2011, 12:56 PM
I just spent about a half hour trying to find good tickets to a show. Nothing was coming up that I wanted, so I kept hitting "Try Again." Then, all of the sudden, I get a "FORBIDDEN" message. Apparently, they have a new policy where if you throw back tickets too many times, they block your IP for 24 hours.

THAT SUCKS!!!

TM is punishing US because THEY don't release all the good seats and we have to keep trying for them! SCREW YOU TICKETMASTER!

Annabel
06-20-2011, 02:29 PM
:woah: Flipping cheek. That's not at all good. :ack:

TimothyBFan
06-20-2011, 02:37 PM
Looks as if many of us will be getting locked out very often with this new rule. I know I sure keep trying until I find something I want.

Bite me Irving--your new rules suck!

Annabel
06-20-2011, 02:44 PM
Just remembered I have seen on TM a little while ago the chance to chose where you wanted to sit. Can't remember who it was I was looking for seats for, but when I looked for tickets for something else the option wasn't there. :eyebrow: Would make life so much easier if you could chose where you want your seats to be, like you can when booking to see a film.!

Victim of Love
06-20-2011, 04:19 PM
LOL...those 'celebrity' signs look more like WANTED POSTERS!

Henley Honey
06-20-2011, 04:48 PM
I just spent about a half hour trying to find good tickets to a show. Nothing was coming up that I wanted, so I kept hitting "Try Again." Then, all of the sudden, I get a "FORBIDDEN" message. Apparently, they have a new policy where if you throw back tickets too many times, they block your IP for 24 hours.

THAT SUCKS!!!

TM is punishing US because THEY don't release all the good seats and we have to keep trying for them! SCREW YOU TICKETMASTER!


Amen, sister. It does suck. Big time. Doesn't Irving own Live Nation too??? I've had better luck with TM in the past when I've waited a few days. Case in point -- Stevie Nicks & Rod Stewart played MSG on April 6, 2011. I tried for days and days to get decent seats. TM kept coming back with the same crappy sections in upper levels. I kept at it though :brickwall: and seven days later -- presto -- Floor level Section 5 Row C. Its a waste of freaking time and there should be a better procedure, but you can still get around the system. Patience and persistance are required -- which are both really hard to come by when your are so anxious to get good seats.

Glennsallnighter
06-21-2011, 05:41 AM
Just remembered I have seen on TM a little while ago the chance to chose where you wanted to sit. Can't remember who it was I was looking for seats for, but when I looked for tickets for something else the option wasn't there. :eyebrow: Would make life so much easier if you could chose where you want your seats to be, like you can when booking to see a film.!


I've seen this for Football and Hurling matches over here. I have 3 TM accounts all under different forms of my name email addresses and payment methods. Maybe this would help. If they bar you off one account you could use another .... Ssssssshhhh! Don't tell Irving!

AzEaglesFan
12-03-2011, 01:28 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/everyone-used-ticketmaster-last-12-190940783.html

This is just stupid as far as I'm concerned. $1.50 isn't worth the trouble to apply for a refund.

VAisForEagleLovers
12-03-2011, 01:35 PM
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/everyone-used-ticketmaster-last-12-190940783.html

This is just stupid as far as I'm concerned. $1.50 isn't worth the trouble to apply for a refund.

Wow. This is stupid. It'll cost them more to process it than what they're paying, and anyway, there's no way I'm going to remember how many tickets I bought through TM since 1999. Please.

Ive always been a dreamer
12-03-2011, 01:37 PM
Yep - that's kind of a joke alright. The problem with class action suits, despite the good itentions, is that the only one's that profit from them are lawyers. I guess it's still good in a way if you hurt the company's pocketbook. But, the buying public, of course, still loses when the company jacks up the prices to pay for the losses. :brickwall:

AzEaglesFan
12-03-2011, 01:48 PM
Your right. You can bet that they will recover the cost of this law suite and the concert goers are going to be the ones to pay. Irving sure won't be out any money when it's all over.

sodascouts
12-03-2011, 08:39 PM
Plus, it apparently maxes out at 17 tickets. Therefore, the most you can get, no matter how many tickets you bought in that ten year period, is $25.50 - and it seems the award is not cash, but rather a voucher to be used on your next TM purchase.

Glennsallnighter
12-03-2011, 08:56 PM
Yeah, so you have to BUY another ticket to use money that is in effect a refund for overcharging! Lol!

Wonder does the ruling carry overseas or is it just the US? I'm an awful divil for KEEPING my stubs! Although there are some I would NEVER give away for all the refunds in the world!

VAisForEagleLovers
12-03-2011, 09:00 PM
Plus, it apparently maxes out at 17 tickets. Therefore, the most you can get, no matter how many tickets you bought in that ten year period, is $25.50 - and it seems the award is not cash, but rather a voucher to be used on your next TM purchase.

This is actually good. Otherwise, the professional ticket scalpers would make a fortune. Because they buy thru TM and then pass those charges and more on to those who buy their tickets. So they'd get refunded a lot of money that they wouldn't need to then pay out.

TimothyBFan
12-05-2011, 09:13 AM
As I was reading the email we all received, I had to chuckle when I read about the voucher thing. :hilarious: Gee, thanks!!!:unimpressed:

sodascouts
12-06-2011, 03:10 PM
I just received an e-mail about this. It says the credits are made to your TM account automatically! At first I was jazzed, thinking I'd get $25.50 off my next purchase without having to lift a finger. While it's true I won't have to lift a finger, the $25.50 off my next purchase won't happen. Instead, it says I can only get $3 off per purchase for up to 48 months. That means I have to buy NINE more tickets to fully claim my credits!!!

TM might actually wind up MAKING money off this settlement if enough people make ticket purchases they wouldn't have otherwise made in order to claim their credits.

Glennsallnighter
12-06-2011, 03:54 PM
Lol! That's crazy! Basically they are making you guys buy into the idea that if there's a discount to be had you will feel it's better value to buy the ticket! So you will. IMHO, if people were overcharged they are entitled to a direct and full refund, not a voucher scheme.

Brooke
12-07-2011, 04:35 PM
I've been checking TM everyday for the last several days for Bob Seger tickets and nothing good ever comes up.

Any other suggestions from anyone? My concert is Friday night and I really want to go, but not with bad seats.

Topkat
12-07-2011, 05:42 PM
This ticket credit of $1.50 is a JOKE. Only Irving Azoff could think of a way to MAKE MONEY by giving you back the cash he owes you. There is NO WAY I'm going to buy any extra tickets, just to get back that crappy little credit, & that's exactly what Irv A is counting on........so you won't be getting back your refund......You have to admit, that this guy is a freekin' genius... no wonder he & the Eagles are so rich!!!!

Henley Honey
12-07-2011, 05:46 PM
From what I experienced, I really don't think there's a "bad" seat in the house in that the entire arena was up and dancing. Soda had luck with the waiting game for the 11/19 Vegas Eagles show and lucked out at the last minute, but I'm sure she was checking it hourly and I don't know if you have the time or patience to deal with that. Did you check: StubHub, E-bay or any of the online brokers? I've dealt with a reputable one. Send me a pm if you want the name.

I just checked ticketmaster & they were offering section 126 which is kinda next to/behind stage right. Not so hot.

I've had luck going to the box office the day of, but I don't know how far you'd have to travel to do that or if it'd be worth the trip if you couldn't get the seats you wanted.

All I can tell you is even crappy seats would be worth the price of admission. It was that good a show. I promise.


Let us know how you make out!!!

Henley Honey
12-07-2011, 05:55 PM
This ticket credit of $2.50 is a JOKE. Only Irving Azoff could think of a way to MAKE MONEY by giving you back the cash he owes you. There is NO WAY I'm going to buy any extra tickets, just to get back that crappy little credit, & that's exactly what Irv A is counting on........so you won't be getting back your refund......You have to admit, that this guy is a freekin' genius... no wonder he & the Eagles are so rich!!!!


If I read the legal mumbo-jumbo correctly -- and I think I did -- whatever amounts due as "credits" that are not applied to the purchase of new tickets will be donated to charity. So yes -- TM will make out in that they will get a tax write off for the donation, but it's better than the money going into the collective "coffers" of Ticketmaster. What I'd like for Mr. Azoff to do is to "spread the wealth" and give to the Lupus Foundation, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis and/or Walden Woods & Caddo Lake. It looks as if the numbers will be substantial and I'm sure the aforementioned organizations can use the cash. What'd ya say, Irving??? You in??

Brooke
12-07-2011, 05:55 PM
Thanks HH.

Yes, today I've been online all day and checked hourly. Same seats you mentioned. I checked StubHub, too. There are a couple there I might consider.

I guess I'll wait till tomorrow and then decide. I'm about 2 1/2 hours away. I kind of hate to wait till I get there. Although I did that a few years ago for a John Fogerty concert and got front row center a few hours before the show! That was awesome!

Henley Honey
12-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Fingers Crossed for you!!! 2 1/2 hours is quite a haul to chance being boxed out. I'd consider having a back-up plan in place to avoid the let down if the Seger show tix fall through. Anything else going on in town that night? Another show in a smaller venue? Hockey, basketball or theater? Puppet show? Something? :hilarious:

I'm sending all my positive energy your way!!!

VAisForEagleLovers
12-07-2011, 08:04 PM
From what I experienced, I really don't think there's a "bad" seat in the house in that the entire arena was up and dancing. Soda had luck with the waiting game for the 11/19 Vegas Eagles show and lucked out at the last minute, but I'm sure she was checking it hourly and I don't know if you have the time or patience to deal with that. Did you check: StubHub, E-bay or any of the online brokers? I've dealt with a reputable one. Send me a pm if you want the name.

I just checked ticketmaster & they were offering section 126 which is kinda next to/behind stage right. Not so hot.

I've had luck going to the box office the day of, but I don't know how far you'd have to travel to do that or if it'd be worth the trip if you couldn't get the seats you wanted.

All I can tell you is even crappy seats would be worth the price of admission. It was that good a show. I promise.


Let us know how you make out!!!

I had crappy seats in Pittsburgh and it was still easily one of the best concerts I've ever been to.

VAisForEagleLovers
12-07-2011, 08:06 PM
Fingers Crossed for you!!! 2 1/2 hours is quite a haul to chance being boxed out. I'd consider having a back-up plan in place to avoid the let down if the Seger show tix fall through. Anything else going on in town that night? Another show in a smaller venue? Hockey, basketball or theater? Puppet show? Something? :hilarious:

I'm sending all my positive energy your way!!!

Me too! It's worth it, and I agree about a back-up plan. A Christmas play or even Christmas shopping. You know Murphy's Law, if you have a back-up plan you won't need it...

Glennsallnighter
12-08-2011, 09:06 AM
If I read the legal mumbo-jumbo correctly -- and I think I did -- whatever amounts due as "credits" that are not applied to the purchase of new tickets will be donated to charity. So yes -- TM will make out in that they will get a tax write off for the donation, but it's better than the money going into the collective "coffers" of Ticketmaster. What I'd like for Mr. Azoff to do is to "spread the wealth" and give to the Lupus Foundation, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis and/or Walden Woods & Caddo Lake. It looks as if the numbers will be substantial and I'm sure the aforementioned organizations can use the cash. What'd ya say, Irving??? You in??

Absolutely great idea HH.

Brooke
12-08-2011, 04:28 PM
Fingers Crossed for you!!! 2 1/2 hours is quite a haul to chance being boxed out. I'd consider having a back-up plan in place to avoid the let down if the Seger show tix fall through. Anything else going on in town that night? Another show in a smaller venue? Hockey, basketball or theater? Puppet show? Something? :hilarious:

I'm sending all my positive energy your way!!!

Thanks!

Still nothing good from Tm. I've checked several broker sites and they have some I'm considering but just got scared when i saw the extra fees they charge. $30 per ticket plus a $7.50 "handling fee" for electronic tickets! So a total of $389 for two tickets. I don't know. Maybe I should just take a chance on buying from a scalper on site? What do you all think?

sodascouts
12-08-2011, 05:54 PM
On-site scalping can be good and bad. The good news is that they will probably charge a bit less than online scalpers, and if you're willing to wait until the show starts, you can get tickets for less than face often. The bad news is that the scalpers might not have what you want and haggling can get tense and stressful.

Personally, I only do on-site scalpers as a last resort.

How badly do you want good seats? If you want them really badly, then use the online scalpers. Otherwise, I'd wait it out; keep checking TM and if nothing pops up, do the box-office day of.

HH- I interpreted that the same way. They will be paying out money regardless. They're just hoping that this "voucher" approach will encourage people to buy more tickets in order to lessen the loss on that side; as you said, the tax deduction will lessen the loss on the other side.

Brooke
12-08-2011, 05:57 PM
Thanks Soda.

I think I'll keep checking Tm and if nothing comes up by noon tomorrow, I'll just take what I can get at the box office. I'd like to have great seats, but not that bad I guess!

Henley Honey
12-08-2011, 06:11 PM
On-site scalping can be good and bad. The good news is that they will probably charge a bit less than online scalpers, and if you're willing to wait until the show starts, you can get tickets for less than face often. The bad news is that the scalpers might not have what you want and haggling can get tense and stressful.

Personally, I only do on-site scalpers as a last resort.

How badly do you want good seats? If you want them really badly, then use the online scalpers. Otherwise, I'd wait it out; keep checking TM and if nothing pops up, do the box-office day of.



I agree 100%. I prefer not to use on-site scalpers if I can at all help it.
I've never gone to a show and tried my luck at the day-of, box-office gamble, but several boarderers have and have had great results.
Personally, I'd go for the online "sure thing" and get the tix now.
Good luck with whatever you decide!!

sodascouts
12-08-2011, 06:24 PM
Additionally, with on-site scalpers, you run the risk of fraud - those e-tickets can be printed out multiple times. However, hard tickets are usually safe (although not foolproof).

Ive always been a dreamer
12-08-2011, 10:03 PM
I'm one that has had pretty good luck buying Eagles tickets the day of the show. The worst I've ever done is when Soda and I went to Louisville. I don't remember what row we got, but even though the tickets weren't great, they were pretty good considering we were buying two tickets on the night of the grand opening of the KFC Yum Center. One of the best parts about it is that you pay face value at the box office. But, obviously, the downside is that there are are no guarantees. I've never been to a show in recent years though where I wasn't able to get something at the box office on the day of the show. Good luck, Brooke. Even if you don't have a premo seat, I bet you'll have a great time anyway.

Henley Honey
12-09-2011, 02:11 PM
I'm one that has had pretty good luck buying Eagles tickets the day of the show. The worst I've ever done is when Soda and I went to Louisville. I don't remember what row we got, but even though the tickets weren't great,

Dreamer, I checked the Louisville thread. You had 3rd row and that's the worst you've ever done? Where would you prefer to sit? Sugar's lap? Never mind. Silly question!!

VAisForEagleLovers
12-09-2011, 03:52 PM
Dreamer, I checked the Louisville thread. You had 3rd row and that's the worst you've ever done? Where would you prefer to sit? Sugar's lap? Never mind. Silly question!!

Oh wow, now that would be a seat!!

Ive always been a dreamer
12-11-2011, 02:15 PM
Dreamer, I checked the Louisville thread. You had 3rd row and that's the worst you've ever done? Where would you prefer to sit? Sugar's lap? Never mind. Silly question!!

HH - Sugar's lap works for me! But, obviously, you already know that! :wink: Unfortunately, those 3rd row seats in Louisville were in the second section back, so we were probably about 1/3 of the way back on the floor. Hardly conducive to lap sitting on stage, but still they weren't bad seats at all. We were on the end seats of the center aisle with a great view, and could have easily moved up a lot closer when everyone was standing.

sodascouts
12-11-2011, 02:19 PM
I think there were probably about 30 rows ahead of us, but we were able to see, and our position near the aisle gave us plenty of room to dance around. We still had a blast!

timfan
01-28-2012, 06:31 PM
Billboard had announced it's Power 100 and guess who tops the list? Irving Azoff!

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/billboard-reveals-the-2012-power-100-1005969352.story

There is also a Qand A with Irving http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/record-labels/irving-azoff-the-billboard-power-100-q-a-1006016752.story

Can't say I'm suprised by Irving toping the list as the most powerful individual in the music industry!

sodascouts
01-28-2012, 10:46 PM
Congrats to Azoff for his receipt of yet another music industry accolade.

Henley Honey
01-29-2012, 02:36 PM
He's come a long way from living a Joe's car!

Ive always been a dreamer
01-29-2012, 03:40 PM
:lol: HH - how true, how true!

Congratulations to Irving!

Victim of Love
04-08-2012, 02:40 PM
Got the following link from my mother this morning. I find it interesting that a certain band we all love isn't mentioned.

http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-hotprop-irving-azoff-20120404,0,767026.story

http://thumbs.trulia-cdn.com/pictures/thumbs_4/ps.33/1/4/b/9/picture-uh=3f12e382736be39238fb6f84cf85d56-ps=14b9dfeca555702b29d32dc27a1e6a6b.jpg

Henley Honey
04-08-2012, 03:14 PM
Poor Irving. He only made 1.7 mil return on investment in a depressed real estate market. How will he live?
Wonder if Joe left his car unlocked. :hilarious:

sodascouts
04-08-2012, 03:59 PM
It is kind of weird the Eagles aren't mentioned. They are his most successful clients, and they launched his career, yet this article touts him as the manager of Jewel, Seal, and David Archuleta? mmmmkay. At least Christina Aguilera gets a mention so that Azoff Management doesn't come off as a business that represents no one who is currently commercially successful.

Victim of Love
04-08-2012, 05:15 PM
Mom found the property listed on Trulia at this link. Several pictures of the interior -- I'm not impressed.

http://www.trulia.com/homes/California/Malibu/sold/4334336-22070-Pacific-Coast-Hwy-Malibu-CA-90265

This is the link to the public records regarding property valuations. You have to scroll down a bit to find Irving, but if you scroll down a bit further you see that David Geffin is the listed owner at 22108 and 22126 (which Mom said is actually adjacent lots. (This is an interesting link)

http://www.city-data.com/los-angeles-county/P/Pacific-Coast-Highway-173.html

sodascouts
04-08-2012, 06:15 PM
What a magnificent view.

Victim of Love
04-08-2012, 06:50 PM
THAT (and the deck/-patio) and the kitchen were just about the ONLY things I liked about Irving's place. I'd love to see Geffin's digs. I pulled them up on Google Earth and there is only one house between. Geffin appears to have some mega-beachfront property with the two lots -- along with two houses!

Ive always been a dreamer
04-09-2012, 08:44 PM
Hmmm - I'm thinking this is not too shabby for a little beach house!

Brooke
04-10-2012, 03:48 PM
Yeah! I think I could handle living there! Love the view!

sodascouts
06-06-2012, 03:25 PM
Irving Azoff has just negotiated a new type of deal between artists and radio for Taylor Swift, and as Don Henley may be his next artist to do so:

Henley May Follow Taylor Swift with Radio Revenue Accord (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-05/henley-may-follow-taylor-swift-with-radio-revenue-accord.html)

Topkat
06-06-2012, 06:22 PM
I am not too fond of this guy. In the end, we the fans end up paying more for everything, & we all have Irving to thank for it! The rich get richer......

Freypower
06-06-2012, 06:48 PM
In my opinion we have Irving to thank for a lot of positive things like taking the band to where it is today.

GlennLover
06-06-2012, 06:51 PM
In my opinion we have Irving to thank for a lot of positive things like taking the band to where it is today.

I agree.

sodascouts
06-06-2012, 09:46 PM
I think Glenn was on the mark when he joked at the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Fame that without Azoff, the Eagles would still be in the RRHOF, but they wouldn't be as rich.

Topkat
06-06-2012, 11:34 PM
Well, if Irving gets his way, don't be surprised if you are paying 2 bucks every time you listen to a song...even in your own home because that's where this is going. He wants money every time a song is played. I mean how many billions does the guy need?
I think the Eagles would have been successful, even without Irving. I don't really give him credit. He's not the one with the talent!

Freypower
06-06-2012, 11:51 PM
Well, if Irving gets his way, don't be surprised if you are paying 2 bucks every time you listen to a song...even in your own home because that's where this is going. He wants money every time a song is played. I mean how many billions does the guy need?
I think the Eagles would have been successful, even without Irving. I don't really give him credit. He's not the one with the talent!

I hope you are exaggerating. How in the wide world would even Irving be able to charge you in your own home for listening to a song? Seriously. Don't give him any credit if you don't wish to; call him hard headed & ruthless but whether you like it or not the band needed his drive & his energy. Their talent got them there but he helped them.

As Henley once said 'he may be Satan but he's our Satan' and it cannot be ignored, like him or loathe him.

VAisForEagleLovers
06-06-2012, 11:53 PM
I pay royalties as part of my satellite subscription. I assume because Canada airs the satellite stations as well and it's a law there, like every other country other than the US, that radio stations pay royalties. It works out for everyone else.

It's a very small percentage of my annual rate, not nearly as much as it costs to keep the satellites in space and paying the DJs. And I don't have to listen to commercials. Regular radio stations would keep the commercials. They can't outprice the market, there are too many other ways to advertise and they'll lose ad money. So I can't see it becoming a burden on anyone except the radio stations that have had a free ride in the USA since the beginning of radio.

Topkat
06-07-2012, 12:10 AM
I hope you are exaggerating. How in the wide world would even Irving be able to charge you in your own home for listening to a song? Seriously. Don't give him any credit if you don't wish to; call him hard headed & ruthless but whether you like it or not the band needed his drive & his energy. Their talent got them there but he helped them.

As Henley once said 'he may be Satan but he's our Satan' and it cannot be ignored, like him or loathe him.

Yes, I was exaggerating, but the guy is a vulture and I do loathe him. I also believe the Eagles would have been rich & successful without him. Plenty of bands became rich without Irving Azoff.

Freypower
01-01-2013, 06:21 PM
Irving has quit One Nation:

http://www.noise11.com/news/irving-azoff-quits-live-nation-20130101

http://www.thewrap.com/music/column-post/irving-azoff-why-he-left-livenation-running-public-company-sucks-exclusive-71021

EaglesKiwi
01-03-2013, 02:36 AM
Interesting - will wait to hear whether he stays involved with Frontline (i.e. Eagles management). Fingers crossed it all works out.

timfan
01-03-2013, 09:09 AM
I believe from what I have read that he will stay on as manager of the Eagles (under Azoff Music Management) and Front Line will have first right of refusal for much of the tour promo for the Eagles in the next two years.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-live-nation-filings-hint-irving-azoff-tv-project-eagles-dates-20130101,0,2935011.story

Also an Q&A with Irving that explains it prettty well

http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/legal-and-management/irving-azoff-on-leaving-live-nation-what-1008064362.story

sodascouts
01-03-2013, 11:48 AM
Thanks for the info. I'm glad he's not part of that organization anymore, as I am often frustrated with them!

ETA: Reading the Billboard article sure is interesting!

Freypower
01-03-2013, 04:57 PM
He spent New Years with the Henleys. I wonder if that is part of any 'strategy'. I also wonder if he has ever spent New Years with the Freys. He has always seemed to be closer to Don than to the other band members.

Ive always been a dreamer
01-03-2013, 05:30 PM
Hmmm - I'm not sure I would agree with your assessment of Irvings' friendships with various band members, FP. Remember, Irving lives in L.A. and I'm pretty sure he interacts with Glenn quite a bit when they are both in town. I know that Irving was very closely involved in all of events that Glenn performed with Deacon and his production company friends, including the shows at The Roxy and House of Blues. In addition, I've heard several rumblings of them being jointly involved in various things and I think the two men spend quite a few evenings together at Lakers games as well. Just sayin'.

In any event, I'm actually kinda glad that he's giving this up as well.

sodascouts
01-03-2013, 05:36 PM
He spent New Years with the Henleys. I wonder if that is part of any 'strategy'. I also wonder if he has ever spent New Years with the Freys. He has always seemed to be closer to Don than to the other band members.

Well, he was pretty tight with Joe, at least in the past! Perhaps he and Don have more in common nowadays, though. Don't they have kids around the same age? I don't know that for sure - I have such a bad memory for that kind of thing.

Anyway, I think it was probably more pleasure than business, and there's nothing wrong with that. I daresay Glenn doesn't keep a scorecard as to how much time Irving spends with Don vs. how much time Irving spends with him! There's certainly no reason for us to concern ourselves with that either.

AEW21
08-05-2013, 11:58 PM
I don't necessarily think this needs its own thread, so I'll tuck it here, since Irving is pretty much as much as Eagle as the guys on stage....

Irving did a photo shoot with famed photographer, Terry Richardson. Terry is a bit avant-garde and out there--his images are interesting, but in real life, he's sort of gives me a "creepy uncle" vibe. Anyway, Irving posed with actor/musician, Jared Leto...who's in drag. I have nooo idea how this all came out--perhaps Irving is more hipster than we think--but it makes for an interesting image:

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8f19dd42e797e3ce627fa412c7e8dba4/tumblr_mp0dykIze01qa42jro1_500.jpg
SOURCE (http://terrysdiary.com/post/53940092293/irving-azoff-and-jared-leto-at-my-studio)

Perhaps this is Irving's holiday card image this year. ;)

MaryCalifornia
08-06-2013, 12:21 AM
That is seriously the weirdest thing I have seen in a long time. The fact that Irving looks so uncomfortable makes it even worse. He definitely has no intention of taking those hands out of his pockets hahaha!!! If I didn't know it is a Terry Richardson, I would think this weirdness is photoshopped (I don't think it is, because nobody could think this one up if it didn't actually happen.) I'm now wondering if Irving has something to do with 30 Seconds to Mars, Leto's band. It would be easy enough to find out, but I don't care that much.

Freypower
08-06-2013, 06:49 PM
We have a thread about any news about Irving which is non-Eagles related.

http://eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=806

Glennhoney
08-06-2013, 07:27 PM
I believe I read somewhere that Irving is Annabel's (DOn's daughter) godfather..

GlennLover
08-06-2013, 07:58 PM
He spent New Years with the Henleys. I wonder if that is part of any 'strategy'. I also wonder if he has ever spent New Years with the Freys. He has always seemed to be closer to Don than to the other band members.

This discussion reminded me of this article about Los Angeles' most ridiculous screening rooms: http://la.curbed.com/archives/2012/03/8_of_los_angeless_most_ridiculous_personal_screeni ng_rooms.php

Here is the part about Glenn & Irving
5. The screening room at Live Nation chairman Irving Azoff's Holmby Hills house "is flanked by a 2-foot-wide bowl of M&Ms and a frozen-yogurt machine." Regular guests include Glenn Frey and Chelsea Handler.

MaryCalifornia
08-06-2013, 08:09 PM
Oh no, GlennLover, that description of Irving's screening room reminded me of this atrocity!!!!

http://popdose.com/you-again-timothy-b-schmit-expando/

AEW21
08-06-2013, 10:12 PM
I never, ever would have thought to look in "Cheap Talk and Wine" thread for Iriving--thought it was only personal, Border members goings-on.... my bad.

A moderator can feel free to whisk the post out of here and into there if they like!

GlennLover
08-06-2013, 11:18 PM
Oh no, GlennLover, that description of Irving's screening room reminded me of this atrocity!!!!

http://popdose.com/you-again-timothy-b-schmit-expando/

That's terrible, just TERRIBLE!!!!

TimothyBFan
08-09-2013, 08:58 AM
Oh no, GlennLover, that description of Irving's screening room reminded me of this atrocity!!!!

http://popdose.com/you-again-timothy-b-schmit-expando/


:scowl: Many of you weren't here when the article with the "crypt keeper" reference came out. I was beyond furious and hurt by that. I can honestly say that I had never and have not yet read any other review that has p*ssed me off more than that one did-- and we all know there's been a lot of bad ones written. That was so unfair, uncalled for and just down right mean, I couldn't get my mind around why he thought he had to say something like that. Even if it were true, where would it have anything to do with the music? I don't often use this term but, idiots!!!

GlennLover
08-09-2013, 09:50 AM
:scowl: Many of you weren't here when the article with the "crypt keeper" reference came out. I was beyond furious and hurt by that. I can honestly say that I had never and have not yet read any other review that has p*ssed me off more than that one did-- and we all know there's been a lot of bad ones written. That was so unfair, uncalled for and just down right mean, I couldn't get my mind around why he thought he had to say something like that. Even if it were true, where would it have anything to do with the music? I don't often use this term but, idiots!!!

I completely agree with you, Willie! This was abolutely uncalled for! Disgusting!

sodascouts
08-17-2013, 10:57 PM
This comment someone posted to that article amused me:

"I can only imagine that your lady called out Timothy B's name in the throes of passion and that has caused you to hate anything and everything about him."

zeldabjr
08-17-2013, 11:26 PM
This comment someone posted to that article amused me:

"I can only imagine that your lady called out Timothy B's name in the throes of passion and that has caused you to hate anything and everything about him."

oh I love it!!!...and to that guy...:machinegun::machinegun::machinegun:

VAisForEagleLovers
08-18-2013, 10:06 AM
This comment someone posted to that article amused me:

"I can only imagine that your lady called out Timothy B's name in the throes of passion and that has caused you to hate anything and everything about him."

So we think that TBF's hubby wrote this? :wink:

WalshFan88
08-18-2013, 10:11 AM
This comment someone posted to that article amused me:

"I can only imagine that your lady called out Timothy B's name in the throes of passion and that has caused you to hate anything and everything about him."

:rofl: Zing!!!!

WalshFan88
08-18-2013, 10:12 AM
What a crappy article... What is it with these so called "critics" anymore. They really are extra hard on the Eagles it seems, which it's been that way for awhile.

TimothyBFan
08-20-2013, 12:02 PM
So we think that TBF's hubby wrote this? :wink:

:hilarious: And he told me it was ok to do it as long as he was wearing his long wig!

Houston Baby
08-20-2013, 01:21 PM
:hilarious: And he told me it was ok to do it as long as he was wearing his long wig!

:rofl:

sodascouts
09-07-2013, 05:41 PM
Azoff and James Dolan snuggle a little tighter:

MSG, Azoff Unveil New Entertainment Venture (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323893004579055590298180458.html)

And yes, Azoff does manage JD and the Straight Shot, lol.

prayfordaylight
09-09-2013, 08:08 AM
Azoff and James Dolan snuggle a little tighter:

MSG, Azoff Unveil New Entertainment Venture (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323893004579055590298180458.html)

And yes, Azoff does manage JD and the Straight Shot, lol.

I don't know if my eyes could roll any further back into my head lol

sodascouts
09-28-2013, 09:10 PM
I follow Azoff on Twitter. He tweets very rarely. I must say I was quite surprised when his first tweets in months were to take sides in the Kanye West / Jimmy Kimmel feud!

http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/09/27/music-biz-legend-honcho-irving-azoff-defends-kanye-criticizes-kimmel

Guess he feels pretty strongly about it!

ETA: For those of you who don't know what this refers to, Kanye West did an interview with the BBC where he complimented himself quite a few times, Jimmy Kimmel did a skit making fun of him on his late-night show, and Kanye got outraged. Why Irving Azoff feels the need to join the fray is anybody's guess.

Judge for yourself whether or not you believe Kimmel's skit to be worthy of Kanye's fury - and whether or not you agree with Azoff that Kanye's comments and insulting images posted to Twitter win the day - by reading them here (http://gawker.com/kanye-west-is-currently-attacking-jimmy-kimmel-on-twitt-1406544989).

VAisForEagleLovers
09-28-2013, 11:02 PM
I follow Azoff on Twitter. He tweets very rarely. I must say I was really surprised when his first tweets in months were to take sides in the Kanye West / Jimmy Kimmel feud!

http://www.showbiz411.com/2013/09/27/music-biz-legend-honcho-irving-azoff-defends-kanye-criticizes-kimmel

Guess he feels pretty strongly about it!

ETA: For those of you who don't know what this refers to, Kanye West did an interview with the BBC where he complimented himself quite a few times, Jimmy Kimmel did a skit making fun of him, and Kanye got outraged. Why Irving Azoff feels the need to join the fray is anybody's guess.

Judge for yourself whether or not you believe Kimmel's skit to be worthy of Kanye's fury - and whether or not you agree with Azoff that Kanye's comments and insulting images posted to Twitter win the day - by reading them here (http://gawker.com/kanye-west-is-currently-attacking-jimmy-kimmel-on-twitt-1406544989).

Thank you, I had seen a reply from someone and it included Irving and I wondered why.

Witchy Woman
09-29-2013, 12:21 AM
You know, I feel no shame in saying I can't stand JD And The Straight Shot, and would rather sit and watch paint dry than listen to that drivel. If Irving wasn't their manager there would be no way they would be opening for our boys.

Ive always been a dreamer
09-29-2013, 01:02 PM
I have to say that I usually hang out in the lobby for most of JD's performances. He doesn't do much for me personally, but I don't find him quite as intolerable as some do either. Just reminds me that if you have enough $$ you can even buy dreams.

And I'm very puzzled as to why Irving would get involved in the Kanye/Kimmel drama too. Makes me wonder if there's more to this than we know about :?: :shrug:

sodascouts
09-29-2013, 03:20 PM
Well, Azoff has been Kanye's "advisor" in the past due to his friendship with Kanye's future mother-in-law, Kris Jenner (Kanye is engaged to Kris' daughter Kim Kardashian and is the father of Kris' granddaughter).

Yes, this is the same Jenner/Kardashian clan of reality TV fame that Don Felder's daughter married into.

Small Hollywood world!

GlennLover
03-24-2014, 08:59 PM
Here's an interesting article about Irving & his involvement with James Dolan & the New York Knicks. It mentions Don & Glenn. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/25/sports/basketball/the-man-in-the-middle-of-the-knicks-deal-with-jackson.html?hpw&rref=sports&_r=0

Houston Baby
03-24-2014, 09:15 PM
Very interesting! Thanks GL!

VAisForEagleLovers
03-24-2014, 09:33 PM
Thanks, GL! Interesting read!

Tiffanny Twisted
03-25-2014, 06:39 AM
thanks I enjoyed that article va:thumbsup:

VAisForEagleLovers
02-05-2015, 10:33 PM
Irving has moved up to #3 in Billboard's Power 100 list.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/6458403/billboards-2015-power-100-list-revealed

VAisForEagleLovers
02-06-2015, 11:24 AM
A nice article about Irving from his hometown paper, and it talks a lot about his high school and college days.

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2015-02-06/whatever-happened-irving-azoff.html

Ive always been a dreamer
02-06-2015, 10:30 PM
Thanks VA - Loved reading both of those! Danville should be quite proud of Irving. I didn't realize he actually started booking bands in high school.

VAisForEagleLovers
04-14-2015, 11:17 PM
Irving is the executive producer for a new comedy on ABC Family.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/abc-family-plots-big-scripted-788503

VAisForEagleLovers
04-23-2015, 10:08 PM
Irving and Bon Jovi checked out Cedar Ridge Winery. I assume that's in Iowa.

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/local/2015/04/23/jon-bon-jovi-cedar-ridge-winery/26250987/

VAisForEagleLovers
06-19-2015, 07:36 AM
Irving (and Dolan) bought an interest in an experiential marketing firm. What is that, you might ask? Truly integrated live and online events. More details here (http://deadline.com/2015/06/irving-azoff-msg-entertainment-on-board-experiential-marketing-1201447761/).