I agree they don't need another guitar player; so why is Steuart there? Vince can play those parts; he's an excellent guitarist. Vince may need some time to catch up to speed but he's better known and a bigger draw than Steuart.
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I remembered Timothy saying he can't sing the high notes anymore because he could had fool me because he still sounded good when he's harmonizing. With two high voices in the group now, its might take a little load off Timothy. Vince is 10 years younger than Don, Joe, and Timothy and he can still hit the high notes. To tell the truth, they kinda holding him back because he is blending in where as Timothy you can hear him and point him out of all the guys.
As for TIE. Maybe Vince sounded better with Deacon because of Deacon lower range. They might had tried to see how Deacon would sound with Timothy and Vince harmonizing on that second verse. Deacon probably blended well with Vince's voice, but than again. They probably wanted the new guys to do that part. I guess we will never know.
I really hope they give Vince another guitar solo song. I was shocked it was him doing the guitar solo in The Last Resort since I thought he didn't have any. Vince shines on his guitar solos.
Its a work in progress. So they probably will change a few things over time. I don't think Vince is going anywhere anytime soon. I only see Vince gone if he leaves (which I doubt it) or they don't need him anymore(which they probably need him right now to not have so much pressure on Deacon).
Since Vince is probably going to be with the Eagles for a while, he's gonna have to know what they going to do in advantage so he can plan his solo career around the Eagles like Don and Joe did. Vince usually have dates every month. So that might change or it might not.
Asking Deacon to do everything that Glenn did - or even most of what he did - is unrealistic. Expecting him to be up to the same level as a man who has performed for 40 years is expecting too much. He is not "little Glenn." He is Deacon Frey and he is learning.
Vince Gill is not Glenn Frey either, but Vince Gill has been in the business for decades, honing his craft, playing for large crowds.
For a long time. I actually agree with you, Soda. That's so much pressure put on Deacon. To sing all his father's songs. He may be up to playing with his uncles, but to sing all his father's song. Nope. He needs to learn and get better. He's already being judged about how looks like his father or doesn't sound like his father.
Vince is there to not have so much pressure on Deacon. Deacon will get better and I think he did this past weekend even though I couldn't tell he was nervous at the Classic West show. And I actually applaud him to even play in front of 50,000 people for the first time.
I do have to admit at first, I didn't like Vince singing Lyin' Eyes. He was pausing too much as he was singing the song and it was a turn off. He's gotten better with Lyin' Eyes. Vince rarely pauses in his songs even live, but I don't know why he was doing that.
It was kinda weird hearing Vince singing Heartache Tonight, but to tell the truth. I really don't like this new version of Heartache Tonight. Not because Vince was singing it. I just don't like this new arrangement of the song. You can definitely tell the key was lowered big time. I rather hear Farewell 1 version where their was a little guitar solo at the beginning before they began the song with the horns or HOTE version where they sang it acapella before the whole band kicks in on the chorus. I wish they kept that.
I thought he did a good job on the song.
All I said was that Vince contributed to the album b/c the claim was made that he contributed nothing to Eagles history. Please point out where I said Vince had more to do with getting them back together than Travis. I don't want to go OT either but I'm getting tired of my words getting twisted.
BTW, no Common Thread album=no Travis Tritt video.
The only argument I can see about not needing Vince is if they drop all the songs Vince sings, which I would be down with. Better no one sing them. The whole "keep the songs alive" line - well, Vince can sing the songs at his own shows while piping in the the background vocals and it would sound the same. The instrumental parts can be duplicated.
When it comes to BGV, they have half a dozen guys backing them, a veritable choir, in all those musicians onstage. I think all of them except the drummer sing.
However, as long as they keep these songs and continue to do shows as the "Eagles", they need to keep a guy like Vince to replace Glenn on lead vocals.
I have a theory about Vince and the way he was singing "Lyin' Eyes." Having been a fan for years, I've seen him on several awards shows and other special events, and he's apt to get a little emotional when he sings certain songs. If I'd seen it live, I could probably tell you for sure. My bet is, he started singing, and just got to thinking about Glenn and the moment, and all, and he got a little choked up. The pauses were where he was getting his voice back under control. Now, that's just my theory, but it fits with some other things I've seen Vince do that really meant a lot to him.
Maybe I'm saying it wrong. I can't describe it. I think I remembered somebody bringing up is Vince was doing diction as he sings. Maybe that's the word I meant. I think Glenn did it in some of his songs. Hold certain phrases or words in a line. Like a little small delay going to the next word. It was weird hearing Vince doing it because I'm use to him doing it other than with his songs.
Oh absolutely, and I didn't say I think he was little Glenn. As you know, I'm against the whole thing so at the end of the day, I have no dog in this fight.
But I'm no fan of Vince Gill in this band. To me he brings nothing of value and as you said yourself, there are plenty of BGV's going on in the band already.
They either should reallocate the rocking' songs to Deacon and soft country stuff to Vince, or drop some as you suggested, whatever. But Vince Gill singing Heartache Tonight was downright painful to listen to. The man is not a rocker.
If this article has been posted already, I apologize. Vince talks about change and his own musical skills. Hopefully the Eagles will take more advantage of those skills at future concerts.
"At 60, Vince Gill rolls with the changes" Boston Globe, May 12, 2017Quote:
Gill expresses only one frustration: He wishes more people were hearing the music he’s making now, because he thinks he’s gotten better. “I feel like I’m kind of starting to figure it out. In all honesty, I feel I play the best I’ve ever played, I feel I sing the best I’ve ever sung, and write the best songs I’ve ever written. And they’re going to go quite a bit more unnoticed than a whole lot of my successful years when I was really red-hot. But it’s still encouraging to be creative, because I see progress. Because all I ever wanted to do was get better.”
I think there are a number of artists who have created very good music in their older years, but sometimes it (near criminally in some cases) is heard by few people. It's not so overlooked, but Tim's 'Leap of Faith' is IMHO among the best work he's ever done, but the general public probably isn't so aware of it.
I'm listening to Vince's 'Reasons for the Tears I Cry' right now, and it would fit right on LRooE, IMHO.
I really enjoyed Gill's contributions at the Classic East show. I get some fans questioning why they needed him, with Deacon there, but I think others have addressed that pretty well (safety net in case Deacon just couldn't do it in front of 50,000-plus is probably the best reason I've read). I also think it didn't hurt to have a Big Name added to the roster. Gill may not be Garth Brooks big, but he's up there among that era's country stars and highly respected as a player/singer. I think it helped add some legitimacy to the Classic shows, for casual fans who knew Glenn was gone and wondered "who could replace Glenn Frey?!" Well, Vince Gill is a pretty strong answer.
Where does that leave Gill's status going forward? Who knows? He certainly sounds enthused about being an Eagle, and if I'm Don Henley, and Vince Gill is offering his services in perpetuity, I'd be a fool not to take him up on it.
I think it's very interesting that Vince has talent, but appears to have very little ego. Or at least he has sublimated his ego in order to do the best for Eagles rather than himself. While he may not, vocally, be the best choice for every song, I think that he has the right attitude and personality to become a long term Eagles member. And certainly he seems motivated to do so.
I'm not saying what is planned long term and it may well be that no-one at all knows what will and will not happen. But, if they wanted to go forward with the current line-up, they've chosen well in my opinion.
I disagree about the backup vocals. There are two kinds of backups, one is when they sing the oohs and ahs and the "all in" chorus-type backups, and the other is the type where just a few voices are in, such as Don's backups in parts of NKIT and LE, and Timothy's in TIE. Those are the ones I'm talking about where Vince's voice makes a big difference. Part of what has always made the Eagles harmonies so fantastic, IMHO, is having three or four singers who could function as lead singers and make for really strong back-up vocals. Glenn, Don, Randy, and Timothy have provided those at different times, and Vince falls into that category, as well. Deacon may, too.
I do agree that all the pressure shouldn't be on Deacon. I love Vince Gill's voice but I agree with Walshfan that it doesn't work as well on the rockers. I think his slower renditions are lovely, as are his back-up vocals. I can't speak to his guitar-playing, but from what I've heard, those skills are excellent. And I agree with Annoying Twit above; it's so nice to see a superstar with very little ego. That alone makes Vince a great addition, considering all strife the band has had over the years!
For all the years I've followed Vince, I really haven't heard anything negative about him or him having a big ego. Everything I've heard has been nice. Vince is just that kind of guy that minds his own business and with this group. Sometimes its good to just keep your mouth shut and go with the flow. He's the new guy(like he said in one of his interviews) and he definitely doesn't want to piss Don or Irving off.
I did manage to find this Telecaster Guitar Form Thread "Vince Gill Is An Evil Person" :D
http://www.tdpri.com/threads/vince-g...person.280996/
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I think they all sold their souls to the devil, at the crossroads, just like Robert Johnson.
I've been a big Amy Grant fan ever since I was a little kid. She's my favorite Christian contemporary artist and I know many of her songs by heart. Some of them have moved me to tears and there's others that contain such great theological illustrations that I think of them when I read certain Bible passages. Some are just plain catchy. However, since she's a Christian contemporary singer, there was a bit of scandal when she and Vince divorced their spouses and married each other. Other than that, I've heard nothing negative. He seems like a really nice guy.
I was going to post the article about Westboro Baptist Church protesting at Vince's concert in Kansas City in 2013, but I just couldn't. I'm going to post it. He went outside to confront them to see and I quote, "I just wanted to see what hate looked like." Vince was soo calm when he talked to them. Not that many celebrities would be calm. They would be cussing and pushing them.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...nti-gay-625503
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I really wasn't surprised they got married. I think both of their marriages weren't going good. Vince had already been divorced for 2 years when he and Amy got married. Heck Garth and Trisha got some flake when they started to see each other and later married after Garth divorced his first wife.
Oh my gosh, so awful. Westboro are not even truly Baptist, much less Christian. They are appalling.
I remember that too when Vince went out to talk to them. He always seems like such a nice guy even in those situations. I too remember when he and Amy got together, and loved Amy since I was little too. It was kind of a scandal, which is weird compared to now since it probably wouldn't be as big of a deal. Plus their first marriages were bad and they found happiness together. My Mom always wondered about them when he first started singing on her songs. LOL
My 2nd concert seeing Vince was also with Amy too and it was a Christmas one and they were so adorable together sharing stories and pictures. They both were on stage the entire time singing both Christmas songs and some of their hits. I loved that concert so much.
I think they thought something was going on back in 1993 when Vince sang on Amy's song House of Love which I love that song. I myself thought so too, but I brushed it away. It was a scandal when she married Vince a year after her divorce. Like I said with Garth and Trisha. The same thing happened with them, but they are happy today themselves.
I used to watch her ex-husband, Gary Chapman on a show called Prime Time Country on TNN back in the mid to late 90s not knowing what was going on behind the scenes with their marriage.
Vince and Amy looked so happy together and I'm happy for him and Amy.
I think Vince is a nice guy and he seems level headed. I just don't think he's a good fit for this band. I personally still think Deacon could do it all but if not, then if they want a singer to sing rock, they need either to replace Vince or get yet another member. If it were up to me, Deacon would sing Glenn's rockers and uptempo pieces and Vince would sing all of the soft country/country rock stuff.
His guitar playing is great, but he's better when he's slinging a Telecaster playing country licks than trying to play rock. I mean he's no Joe Walsh or Don Felder when it comes to that stuff. He can play rock, but to me it's obvious it's not his forte. However, I think in his wheelhouse, he can hold his own with Walsh, Felder, and Smith. Steuart is a country guy but I think he can play rock better than Vince can. To me it just looks so out of place for him to try and rock and roll. It'd be like trying to get George Strait to cover AC/DC. It just looks so dang out of place.
His voice is amazing at singing what the man was born to sing - soft, country music and gospel songs. But trying to make him sing rock n' roll would be like trying to get G'N'R to cover Conway Twitty. It just isn't a good fit nor idea.
Keeping in mind that I'm personally not ok with any lineup, it doesn't really matter but I'd probably be willing to suggest setlists for both Deacon and Vince and may do so in another thread at some point. If not for anything but trying to highlight their best areas and try to justify the reason to have both of them.
The news of Glen Campbell's death today, I went online to fine any pictures of Vince with Glen. I found a few over the years.
Here's Vince with Glen, Charlie Daniels, Steve Wariner, Eddie Rabbitt, Roy Clark, and Ricky Skaggs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/ima...05071708_0.jpg
Vince with Brad Paisley, Jimmy Webb(who wrote a lot of Glen's hits) and Glen's wife Kim.
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Thanks for posting the pics! BTW: Jimmy Webb had an absolutely heart-rending tribute to Glen on his Facebook page. It was beautiful.
Nice pictures, Shun, thanks. Country music artists as a group have always struck me as being a close-knit, friendly community.
@Delilah: They are. Or used to be. Some still are. Years ago, on the CMA shows (which are in Nashville), at the end of the show, a lot of the stars would get on stage and sing "I Saw the Light" or "Will the Circle Be Unbroken."
This is a very awesome video the CMA produced last year. Vince shows up here, too. But it's a great effort all-around: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9gAXwYZtfk
@Delilah: Glad you liked it! I just about cried when I saw it the first time. It just touched me so much. Such a beautiful effort.
Heads-up: Vince will be performing at next week's Academy of Country Music Honors Ceremony. It will be broadcast Aug. 23.
http://www.nashcountrydaily.com/2017...nors-ceremony/
Vince sang at Troy Gentry's memorial service today. It was requested for Vince to sing his hit song, Whenever You Come Around at the memorial service. From what Vince said, Whenever You Come Around was the first sung Troy sang to his wife. Whenever You Come Around is a beautiful song. One of my favorite songs from his When Love Finds You album that came out in 1994. Vince joked that he didn't have to sing Go Rest High on Mountain. When Vince started to sing, I thought it was going to be some other song that wasn't his, but I was surprised it was Whenever You Come Around.
He also brought up and told Eddie to lean on the Opry family. Don't disappear. Come out here and let this family love on you. I encourage you to stay within this family. I was listening to the memorial service on WSM and live video stream of the memorial service on a Kentucky tv station. They panned to Eddie as Ricky Skaggs and two other people hugging Eddie.
It sounds like it was a really nice, touching memorial service. Apparently Vince's singing brought many to tears. I was surprised to read that he sang "Whenever You Come Around" but since that was the first song Troy ever sang to his wife, it makes perfect sense (Vince also sang it to Amy before they got together; he was testing it out to see what she thought of it). I love it; it's my favorite Vince song.
I didn't know it was going to be streamed live. That was a nice gesture to share with fans.
BTW: the 2017 ACM Honors will air Sept. 15 at 9 pm ET. I was mistaken in my earlier post when I said it would air last month.
I think it was open the public too. That was nice of his family. She could had easily let his memorial service be private and especially not be livestream online. Most of the time, the older country singers either have a public memorial service and/or televised it online or TV.
Vince was very choked up. Its like everybody in country music were friends with each other. They were that close with each other
I agree with you, Shun. It's probably not easy for a family to share their grief with the public so it was a nice thing for them to do. The country music community is great about coming together during times like this. Vince especially seems to always step up to the plate.
Like I posted in the thread about Troy I wish I would've known this was being live steamed as I would've watched/listened. That's my favorite Vince song too and so nice he sang that for Troy's wife. And that is very true of the country music community and they are one big family.
Here's Troy's Memorial Service I found on YouTube. Vince is on at the end at 1:23:04.
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ETA: The other video was taken down. So I found another one.
Thank you Shun!!
I saw this on Music City Texas Theater Facebook page. Vince will be playing Don's hometown sometime next year. Don and Jackson will also being play there sometime next year.
https://m.facebook.com/musiccitytexa...pe=3&source=54
Vince comments about his contributions to Dan Fogelberg’s tribute album.
Read More: Eagles Contribute New Cover Song to Dan Fogelberg Tribute Album | http://ultimateclassicrock.com/eagle...ckback=tsmclipQuote:
Gill added: “I always loved Dan’s music, and getting the opportunity to sing on the High Country Snows record, over 30 years ago, is still a great memory for me.”
I’m not familiar with the High Country Snows album, but the track with Vince’s contribution is called “Wandering Shepherd”—and his backing vocals are just beautiful on it!
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