2020 Rock Hall of Fame Nominees Announced

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news...ees/ar-AAIOpSf

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The nominations for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s class of 2020 are in and the list includes the Notorious B.I.G., Whitney Houston, Pat Benatar, Dave Matthews Band, Depeche Mode, the Doobie Brothers, Judas Priest, Kraftwerk, MC5, Motörhead, Nine Inch Nails, Rufus featuring Chaka Khan, Todd Rundgren, Soundgarden, T. Rex and Thin Lizzy. The top vote-getters will be announced in January and inducted May 2nd, 2020 at a ceremony at Cleveland’s Public Hall.

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Seems like they're scraping the barrel this year, IMO...I am not excited about any of these (no offense meant to anyone who is though!). I don't think I'll be voting this year, first time in a while.

Personally, I think Pat Benatar is long over due.

I like the Doobies and Judas Priest.

So many snubs over the years including Joe Walsh...to think that Notorious BIG might get in before JOE (wth people?!) Judas Priest, Motörhead, Iron Maiden, Doobies and Benatar and many others I have missed. It’s ridiculous. I think Joe said it best.....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=cnGWdz2qyM0

I love the Doobies, especially early, pre-Michael McDonald Doobies. I think they are long overdue considering what a top draw they were in the 70s.

NMB- I totally admire your diverse taste!

Thin Lizzy and Judas Priest? Heck yeah!

As a primarily hard rock guy, I love those two bands and they are long overdue - especially Thin Lizzy. How can anyone not love "The Boys Are Back In Town"? :lol:

Also happy The Doobie Brothers, T.Rex, and Pat Benatar are in the running.

I personally love both eras of the Doobie Brothers. I think Michael McDonald has a one of a kind voice. It's a unique tone. No one can do his material. For better or worse - no one sounds like him, even in the ballpark. Depending on if you like him or not that can be a good or bad thing, lol. However music-wise and guitar-wise I do slightly prefer the Tom Johnston era.

WalshFan-I like Micheal McDonald's voice and his songs, I just prefer the more free wheeling early sound of the Doobies. The McDonald era of the band was more in my time frame, but I love songs like "Long Train Running".

I agree about the Doobies and Pat Benatar. I remember my brother liked Kraftwerk. Obviously, it is a matter of opinion, but I don't see Notorious B.I.G. or Whitney as Rock and Roll at all. Huge in their genres, and deserving of the major awards in their field. I'm sure there is a certain amount of sympathy vote. But if you asked someone to describe their music, I don't think the words "Rock and Roll" would ever come up. Surely there are enough true rock artists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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Originally Posted by FreyFollower

I agree about the Doobies and Pat Benatar. I remember my brother liked Kraftwerk. Obviously, it is a matter of opinion, but I don't see Notorious B.I.G. or Whitney as Rock and Roll at all. Huge in their genres, and deserving of the major awards in their field. I'm sure there is a certain amount of sympathy vote. But if you asked someone to describe their music, I don't think the words "Rock and Roll" would ever come up. Surely there are enough true rock artists for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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Exactly, FF. Why in the world are some of these in the R & R HoF? They are not R & R! Ugh!

I adore Motorhead (I wish I had an umlaut key!) and Priest so I am pleased to see them nominated, get Thin Lizzy in too and I'll be a happy man.

That said, I still abhor the entire pretense. The fact that, as they did with Yes and the wonderful Chris Squire, the entirety of the classic line up of Motorhead (my favourite three piece of all time and a massive influence on pretty much every hard rock, punk and metal band going) are now sadly passed despite having been valid for years beforehand is just one of the things that makes me see red with the whole thing.

The rock n roll hall of fame is biased, makes no sense having rnb, rap etc in there. Eddie Trunk is against hall of fame as well since metal is often ignored.it makes no sense how these great bands like motorhead, iron maiden, ozzy (solo), Judas priest, Dio...etc all not in.....and these noms might get in before them is :brickwall:ridiculous. How did Joan Jett make it before Benatar? Lenny wrote "hate myself for living you", for a little trivia...

FF - Agree ! Whitney had a beautiful voice but it certainly was not R & R.
I love the Doobies and think they and Pat Benatar are good choices. However, I feel the Notorious BIG is a poor choice. Especially when you consider Joe should have gotten in years ago for his pre-Eagles work. For the most part not great choices this year IMHO.

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Originally Posted by New Kid In Town

FF - Agree ! Whitney had a beautiful voice but it certainly was not R & R.
I love the Doobies and think they and Pat Benatar are good choices. However, I feel the Notorious BIG is a poor choice. Especially when you consider Joe should have gotten in years ago for his pre-Eagles work. For the most part not great choices this year IMHO.

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Couldn't have said it better NKIT! Koodos!
(Maybe add his post eagles not too shabby 😉)

And the R&R HOF Class of 2020 has been announced: Depeche Mode, the Doobie Brothers, Whitney Houston, Nine Inch Nails, The Notorious B.I.G. and T. Rex. Pat Benatar please go to the end of the line...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news...YaR?li=BBnbfcL

Irving Azoff is receiving the Ahmet Ertegun Award.

https://www.abc57.com/news/the-2020-...been-announced

They need to form a new one I guess for Rock & Roll! Some of those past and present are NOT rock & roll!

I agree it's supposed to be r&r hall of fame! If not then just rename it music hall of fame. Unreal

UGHHHH. More BS from the RNRHOF.

Thin Lizzy, Judas Priest not inducted? Some rapper and Whitney Houston in? You have to be kidding me! I hate rap and hiphop, I personally think it's not music and I don't care for that culture, largely based on the content in the lyrics and the lifestyle, especially younger "artists". But it's certainly NOT rock and roll! And while WH has my respect, she's not rock and roll, sorry. She's more respectable than Notorious BIG, lol.

I'm happy the Doobies and Benatar are in.

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I'm happy the Doobies and Benatar are in.

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But Pat Benatar didn't make it in. :shrug:

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But Pat Benatar didn't make it in. :shrug:

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Crap! I thought I read she did.

I like T Rex and the Doobies out of the list I just read.

Quite honestly - I am underwhelmed by the Class of 2020.

However, I am glad to see The Doobie Brothers finally get in. As far as Whitney Houston, I think she deserves it considering that many other pop artists have been inducted before her. I also think Pat Benetar will eventually get in. I get what people are saying about all the different genres that aren't pure rock and roll that get in, but, TBH, it has always been that way. I would argue that these other genres influence rock and roll artists or are influenced by rock and roll artists. Also, you have to account for the evolution of music - what was considered rock and roll in its infancy is only remotely similar to what is considered rock and roll by today's standards. I believe it will always be that way. I am personally not a fan of hip hop or rap either, no more than I am I a fan of heavy metal, but I do appreciate the artistry of the different genres. I wonder what rock and roll will look like 30 years from now?

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Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer

Quite honestly - I am underwhelmed by the Class of 2020.

However, I am glad to see The Doobie Brothers finally get in. As far as Whitney Houston, I think she deserves it considering that many other pop artists have been inducted before her. I also think Pat Benetar will eventually get in. I get what people are saying about all the different genres that aren't pure rock and roll that get in, but, TBH, it has always been that way. I would argue that these other genres influence rock and roll artists or are influenced by rock and roll artists. Also, you have to account for the evolution of music - what was considered rock and roll in its infancy is only remotely similar to what is considered rock and roll by today's standards. I believe it will always be that way. I am personally not a fan of hip hop or rap either, no more than I am I a fan of heavy metal, but I do appreciate the artistry of the different genres. I wonder what rock and roll will look like 30 years from now?

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This is nothing new, I agree. But it still bothers me and is one of the reasons I and many others think its a sham...

We could debate about if rap is music, but it would be a long-winded one. To me there isn't much art in rhythmically repeating senseless lines and curse words and blunt sexual profanity to drum machines and a DJ scratching records. There is no double entendre or innuendo, no subtlety. Not to mention a lot of it promotes abuse and use of many things, and it just seems like a bad culture to be in. Especially gangsta rap.

I think Whitney Houston, on the other hand, is infinitely more respectable. She has actual talent and while it still isn't fit for the rock hall, RNB and soul music has a deep connection to rock n' roll just as much as blues. Just like how jazz and classical has deeply influenced country and folk music. And I cannot stand those, so maybe thats why I'm not a fan of most country music. But I LOVE Motown, Stax, etc RNB music.

You couldn't be more right about the fact about "rock n' roll" being so much different now. To me modern rock has lost the "roll" in rock and roll. The groove, swagger, and all of that is gone. There are artists that break the mold, like Greta Van Fleet, Tyler Bryant & The Shakedown, etc, but most of it now is just not my thing at all. I recently saw an interview on YT with one of the guitarists from Buckcherry (Keith Nelson) talking about the "roll" of rock and roll missing in modern rock music. A lot of it is either noise-rock/post-rock stuff, or just straight up modern metal with cookie monster voices and guitars tuned as low as they can get them without the strings falling off, creating a low deep graveling sound to match the vocals. Bands like Slipknot, Korn, etc pioneered that sound and I absolutely hate it. Metallica is a guilty pleasure of mine, but at least there was musicality and melodic senses to their music. You can hear the lyrics, the guitars while big sounding are more old school. That's metal music I can respect. Not the Slipknot type of bands.

And that's fine, they can exist too, but it's just rock music, not rock and roll to me. It's dramatically different than classic rock. And it's not my thing. Other than blues and RNB music, I really only like classic rock and genres that sound like it like modern country (although it's gone electronic which I'm not happy about), etc. I like 60s/70s/80s rock. Not a 90s grunge guy, not a modern rock or post-rock guy. Not necessarily a huge Elvis or Buddy Holly 50s rock fan although I respect them greatly. I love a lot of British rock bands from the invasion and the bands who they influenced. I like the old school rock n' roll sound. I love vinyl and miss the days when album art said so much and vinyl showed it big and proud. I miss MTV playing actual music videos and miss music videos period. And good live records too. I'm old school and proud. :D

Oh, and I hate disco. I'm sorry Mr. Billy Joel, but it's not "still rock and roll" to me. :hilarious: The "new sound" is just that, a new sound. I was never a big Joel fan, but I don't mind his music - except that one. lol

Well - shun posted in Don's thread that it looks as if they are going forward with the HOF induction ceremony - it will air on HBO on November 7th.

Ringo, Bruce Springsteen, and Don Henley will make guest appearances. Other guests include Nancy Wilson, Billy Idol, Billy Gibbons, Gwen Stefani, Chris Martin, Iggy Pop, Adam Levine, Miley Cyrus, Jennifer Hudson, Alicia Keys, Sean 'Diddy' Combs, Luke Bryan, Brad Paisley, Lin-Manuel Miranda, St. Vincent, and Charlize Theron.

Here is the link that shun posted:

http://abcnewsradioonline.com/music-...ial-guest.html

I meant to post this awhile back but it slipped my mind. This is Depeche Mode’s acceptance speech and at around the 1:00 mark they thank the Eagles (which was kind of unexpected):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7teQR3B-z8

Thanks Delilah - that is a surprise ... you never know how many artists have been influenced by our Desperados.

We have to remember that the R&RHF is privately owned and the owner choses who will be nominated than it is voted on. He doesn't like Joe just like he doesn't like Motley Crew and if he doesn't like you, you don't get nominated. People or groups are not nominated by the general public or by industry people.
Joe has all his fellow musicians who appreciate him. Look at some of those in the Hall and no longer play. Joe still performs and brings in a crowd. Other artist call him to do parts on their recordings, some half his age. LOL He could be in on his slide guitar playing alone.

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We have to remember that the R&RHF is privately owned and the owner choses who will be nominated than it is voted on. He doesn't like Joe just like he doesn't like Motley Crew and if he doesn't like you, you don't get nominated.

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Why do you think Wenner doesn’t like Joe? He’s in the HoF already with the Eagles.

I thought everyone likes Joe! However, there is a video clip of Joe saying that the HOF doesn’t have a good reputation among musicians because of all the deserving bands who aren’t recognized.

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Why do you think Wenner doesn’t like Joe? He’s in the HoF already with the Eagles.

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With the Eagles, not as a solo. Few years back I read where he basically just doesn't like Joe and his life as a rocker. Just like Motley Crew, too rowdy I guess. It's his HoF and he nominates who he wants.
Joe thinks it should be more on what an artists or group has done for rock and roll, public opinion and what other artists think. I got the feeling in the article that is is more personal between Wenner and Joe. Wish I could remember where I read the article, it seems like it was online and like a magazine interview.