There is some animosity in the Fleetwood Mac fandom towards the Eagles and especially Henley. Some Stevie fans absolutely loathe him. I was wondering if the reverse were also true?
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There is some animosity in the Fleetwood Mac fandom towards the Eagles and especially Henley. Some Stevie fans absolutely loathe him. I was wondering if the reverse were also true?
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Well, I first heard the 'Rumours' album at a party in 1980 ( or posibly 81) and it hit home immediately. I hadn't caught up with any other stuff until I bought a compilation album this year, since when they have become a second favourite. I am saving them for more exploration in the future. My current faves are 'Little Lies', 'Landslide', 'Gypsy', the unusual 'Tusk', and the haunting 'Sara'.
Current top five:
The Eagles
Steely Dan
Fleetwood Mac
Joni Mitchell
Bruce Springsteen
If you had asked me this ten years ago I'd have added these as favourites
Jethro Tull
Genesis
Pink Floyd
Queen
Elton John :o
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I love the Rumours album, but it took me a long time to buy it because I resented that it got all the critical attention which IMO should have been given to Hotel California. I still resent that it shows up in critics' 'best' lists when HC doesn't. When I bought it I also bought the self-titled album. I bought Bella Donna because of Leather And Lace. We also have her other albums except for the last one she released.
I mainly like Lindsey Buckingham's songs and some of Stevie's. I don't know why but I find Christine McVie's songs rather boring except for You Make Loving Fun. If I had to choose a top 10 of Mac songs it would be:
Go Your Own Way (by a very long distance. This is one of my favourite songs of all time. It rocks).
Rhiannon
Landslide (this is one of my 'Glenn' songs)
Never Going Back Again
Gold Dust Woman
The Chain
Second Hand News
Crystal
Dreams
Tusk
BTW - a bit of trivia pointed out by one of my fellow Fleetwood Mac fans: Thirty years ago today - July 4, 1976 - the American bicentennial - Fleetwood Mac played Tampa Stadium with the Eagles. :)
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Nancy, we're waiting for you to tell us your Top 10 Fleetwood Mac songs!
I don't think I need to respond here... ;) LOL!
Oh gosh...I will give my own top 10 Mac songs some thought and try it out, but...seeing as they are my favorite band by far and away...the Eagles are second but nobody's gonna change my Mac love, haha...it could be really hard, considering I can't even pick a top 10 Eagles. :) I'm also a Lindsey First kinda girl, although I adore Stevie as well. I agree about Christine's songs, they're the ones that I most often skip, to be honest...I love them all, but if I'm in a mood, I need Lindsey's anger and Stevie's mysticalness, and Christine tends to be too upbeat! :)
Even before I became an Eagles fan, though...I became a Mac fan first... I didn't hold any animosity towards the Eagles or Henley or anyone. I figure, as I've said to Nancy before, if Stevie can remain such good friends after all this time with Don, why worry about it? And as for any competition goign on between FM and the Eagles back then, well, that was a long time ago. In fact, Don was my favorite Eagle for awhile and is still a very close second to Glenn. So clearly, no animosity here. ;)
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My friend and I: "Nice coat Glenn!"
Joe Walsh, at next pause between songs: "Hey, nice coat, Glenn."
Glenn: "Thanks, thanks...yah, I picked this up at the..Liberace garage sale, glad you like it..." ;)
Yeah, Bree, I knew your answer to the above question a while ago!
My all time favorites are Gypsy and I'm So Afraid (Live, not studio). After that, in no particular order: Why, The Chain, Landslide, Never Going Back Again, Second Hand News, Sara, Angel, Fireflies, Silver Springs, Don't Stop, Songbird, Hold Me, and Little Lies.
Oops - how about top 15? lol
P.S. Crystal would have made it, but the Fleetwood Mac version loses out to the Buckingham Nicks version (Stevie and Lindsey's equivalent to Longbranch Pennywhistle, only MUCH MUCH better).
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Nancy, have you ever seen Lindsay Buckingham solo? I am on the email list for concerts in Atlanta (since so many of the bands and solo artists I love seem to perform there lately, instead of coming here to Birmingham) and I just found out Lindsay is playing there in October. I missed seeing Fleetwood Mac live--and at this point, I don't know what my chances are of ever seeing them together--so I was just wondering what their individual shows are like. (Obviously I know about Stevie--I saw her last summer with Don and she was wonderful.)
I have only seen a full Lindsey Buckingham show once - his Chicago soundstage in 2003 which was filmed for PBS. It was wonderful. He did it unplugged and it was a special experience I'll never forget.
Like Glenn, his last solo album was in 1992. However, next month, he is releasing a new one. He hasn't toured since 1992, and doesn't do private shows, so this tour beginning in October is a landmark for Buckingham fans. I have been a hard core Buckingham fan for years, so I'll be giving him the same attention as I gave Glenn, following him around the midwest to Ohio, Michigan, Chicago, and perhaps Milwaukee if my friends and I can get good seats.
When I saw him in Chicago, I was astounded and dismayed that he didn't play one song off of his 1992 masterpiece Out of the Cradle at the concert, and played a grand total of three solo songs off of previous solo albums. The rest of the time he did Mac tunes.... but he also did two unreleased songs, which thrilled us all to no end. One was a Rolling Stone cover "I Am Waiting" which appears on his new album. However, now that he has a new album, I imagine that will change and he will do more solo songs. (It's an interesting parallel to Glenn, who also played nothing off of his 1992 masterpiece Strange Weather at his latest solo shows, and did an unreleased cover which may appear on the Eagles' new album).
He's a virtuoso guitar player and I recommend seeing him!
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I wish you were somewhere near me, because I would love to go see him with you. I had a feeling it would be a good show and I don't know if I can find anyone to go with me, as my sister in Atlanta is not much of a music fan. :(
I hear ya Dana - I had to go see the James Gang alone and driving 13 hours all by myself wasn't much fun. I'm still glad I went though!
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Nancy, Lindsey just played the Northern Lights Theater here in Milwaukee. (same theater the James Gang played.)
It would have been a wonderful venue to for you to see him in since it only seats 500. Not a bad (or far away) seat in the house!
He did?! I didn't know about that! I was talking about this date: purchase.tickets.com/buy/...id=5823865
Oh my gosh, I had no idea he had already done a show! And I call myself a hardcore! Glenn has been distracting me. lol
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Oops! This is what I get for not double checking before I post... Lindsey will be at our Pabst Theater on Oct. 17th, not the Northern Lights Theater. The Pabst has about 1000 seats-so twice as big -but still a wonderful venue.
I got excited when I went on the Pabst website. I thought Bob Seger was coming to town on December 1st. Then I realized it's Bob Saget. Not quite the same impact!
lol! Not quite is right!
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I know this thread is old, but thought I would add a few thoughts about FM.
Back in the day, they were right behind the Eagles as far as favorite bands. We actually named our daughter Lindsey Rhiannon (after him and Lindsay Waggoner (sp?)the bionic woman!).
We've never gotten to see them live, in concert, but last spring we saw them on Soundstage. It was great and I didn't really know that Lindsey was such an amazing guitarist.
I don't listen to them much anymore and I really can't put a finger on why because when I do hear them on the radio I love it.
My favorite songs are:
1. Dreams
2. Rhiannon
3. Gold Dust Woman
4. Go Your Own Way
5. Landslide
6. Sara
7. Silver Spring
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Great choices, Brooke. It really is amazing how groups like the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac still find huge fan followings today.
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Lindsay Rhiannon, that's very pretty.
My son, Tom, went to school with a family with 3 girls: Rosanna, Roxanne and Rhiannon. Obviously, mom and dad are music fans!
Those are cool. I could always say that Rosalind wasn't named after a Shakespearean character but Billy Joel's Rosalinda's Eyes. 8)
I can't think of a song with my name in it. However, there is one particular song that makes me wish my name were Linda. ;)
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Same here Soda!Quote:
I can't think of a song with my name in it. However, there is one particular song that makes me wish my name were Linda. ;)
Actually, I meant to reply to this thread a long time ago, but I forgot about it. Fleetwood Mac was probably my second favorite band in the '70's for a lot of the same reasons I love the Eagles. They had three different members who could sing lead on songs, which gave them a lot of diversity in their songs. It's always hard for me to pick favorites songs, but I guess I would say my favorites in no particular order are :
Go Your Own Way
Don't Stop
Over My Head
Rhiannon
You Make Loving Fun
Sara
Hold Me
Gypsy
Dreams
Little Lies
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I agree with all your choices, dreamer--those are my favorite FM songs as well.
As a huge Don fan, I can never listen to "Sara" without my mind completely wandering over to him.
The lines "I think I had met my match...he was singing... and undoing the laces," do me in every time!
WOW, Nancy! Those are both great!
I just think it is so damn romantic, the two of them writing about each other. (I'm sure Don has references to Stevie in some of his songs. Any ideas come to mind?)
I guess that is why Leather & Lace is so fabulous.
Can I hear those two songs somewhere? Are they posted here?
Ooh, yes, that is a HOT line! Did I ever tell you there was another song where Stevie refers to Don (but not by name?) It's called "One More Big Time Rock'n'Roll Star." Don actually sent her flowers with that on the card!
Lyrics:
I told you last night - or did you tell me?
I think that it was me and I know that you heard it
I was crazy about you, that's how it always was
Do you think about me now as I sing about this love?
When it rains, it pours
When there's no one at the door
Yes, he did send me flowers
Well, that was a long time ago
Sounded good on a
Delicate white-ribbon card
"One more big time rock and roll star"
Just what I need
As you walk away, you know that I will call
If it's just to say goodnight, and that is all
Well, alright, that's a lie, she says she wanted you to stay
But you know much better than she
She's better off this way
When it rains, it pours
When there's no one at the door
Yes, he did send me flowers
Well, that was a long time ago
Sounded good on a
Delicate white-ribbon card
"One more big time rock and roll star"
Just what I need
Undercover music lover
Undercover music lover
Oh, undercover music lover and an art lover like me
There were candles, crystals, I was anyone's fantasy
Say I'm not 'cause the work just gets harder...
Oh, one more big time...
One more big time...
One more big time...
It sounded good on a delicate white-ribbon card...
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And finally, this is a demo of a song that was never recorded that it is speculated is about Don, because she said he "taught [her] how to spend money" and "have a great time," unlike the super-serious Lindsey. Theirs was a world of Lear jets and French champagne! It's called "What Has Rock'n'Roll Ever Done for You?"
She was a self-made woman, he's a self-made man
And these two could really understand each other
Baby, baby
Answer the question
If you could do it over again
Would you do it about your profession?
Well, what has rock and roll ever done for you?
You, too!
What has rock and roll ever done for me?
Everything!
Every day he says, "Answer the question...
Would you tell me just a little more about your profession?"
Would you do it again?
Yes, I would!
I had a really good time
Well, it was really good
So what has rock and roll ever done for you?
You, too!
He says, "What has rock and roll ever done for me?"
I said, "Everything!"
What has rock and roll ever done for us?
Well, well, well, another glass
Of something - French champagne!
Every day he says, "Answer the question...
Would you tell me just a little bit more about your profession?"
A really good time, baby
I had a really good time
Well, I'll meet you on the way back
Well, I'll get you on the plane back
I had a really good time
I had a really good time
Well, I'll get you on the way back
Baby, I'll get you on the plane back
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They're not posted here, Dana, but I can upload them. I'm a little hesitant to upload the demo, though. It's very rough and in the lyrics transcription I omitted the copious repetitions! (I'm sure if she had finalized it, it would have been better).
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About lyrics Don wrote with Stevie in mind.... since he co-wrote a lot, it's hard to pin down. To my knowledge, he's never said that he has written about Stevie. Some Stevie fans have speculated, though, that he might have thought a bit about Stevie when writing "Life in the Fast Lane" or even "Victim of Love." Though I have no proof, I have always wondered if she inspired at least in part "Not Enough Love in the World" or "Miss Ghost." Stevie has always had kind of a witchy thing going on. ;)
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Stevie is very prolific, isn't she? Has she ever estimated how many songs she has written over the years?
I agree, "Not Enough Love in the World" could have references to her--it was written early in Don's solo career, perhaps not too long after they stopped seeing each other.
And "Miss Ghost"--love it! I definitely thought of her when I heard him sing it the first time.
I don't think even she knows! I have over 70 songs she's never released, and there are hundreds of different demo versions of both those and released songs (I have over 500 of those). Prolific indeed at one time, although lately, she seems to have stopped writing. :( But I told her at the AHI 2005 meet'n'greet (the one where I also met Don): "Please never stop sharing your music with us."
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This reminds me, I once has a debate with a fellow Stevie fan over whether or not "Heart of the Matter" was about Stevie. I remember one of my first posts on Eagleland was about that!
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Here's the first one! One More Big Time Rock'n'Roll Star
Um... it's not exactly her best work, I must say.
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Okay, I admit to not being a Fleetwood Mac fan (please don't throw things at me), so I have to ask the question:
If Don and Stevie were so hot and heavy for each other, what happened?
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Cause I'm livin' on things that excite me,
Be they pastries or lobsters or love;
I'm just tryin' to get by being quiet and shy,
In a world full of pushin' and shove.
I'm shocked that Don was the one to let that all out about the baby and the abortion! Wonder what got into him?
And you wouldn't think that "Stevie fans" would hate Don if Stevie has never badmouthed him. http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif
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The above is interesting, but I have no comment as I don't know enough about the situation. I was rather shocked by the way Don talked about it in that GQ article.
In Edge Of Seventeen, the lines 'words of a poet and the voice of a choir and a melody...nothing else matters' make me think of the Eagles every time.
As for the line 'undoing laces' in Sara, I had never been able to hear that.
Well, Stevie and Don's affair was passionate, but it was never really serious. It started in 1975 and lasted a couple years, off and on. They would have these rendevous where they would meet up, have sex, have fun and then each would go their separate ways. In the rare times when neither were touring, they would spend time together, but they never lived together or anything like that. Indeed Stevie had sex with Lindsey Buckingham in between her rendevous with Don. Songs like Sara and One More Big Time Rock'n'Roll Star imply that Stevie wanted more than that, but that Don wasn't on the same page. They remained friends and maybe hooked up a few more times, but that was it.
Their "fun" relationship did not seem to survive Stevie getting pregnant with Don's baby. She told him about it and it seems they mutually agreed she should abort, but Stevie has expressed regret about it since. Of course it's thanks to Don spilling the beans about it in the early 90s that we even know about the abortion at all! Stevie fans have always been angry about that, and about how he framed it: "I believe to the best of my knowledge [Stevie] became pregnant by me..." Um, she TOLD you it was yours Don! :: shakes head ::
Some Stevie fans believe that Don ended it BECAUSE Stevie got pregnant and left her to deal with it on her own, but she's never actually said that. Still, those who believe that hate Don, and point to his ambivalence about stating that the baby was his in the above interview as "evidence." They also use lyrics from Sara to back it up - she wanted Don to "finish his house" and "call her home" - a home for a baby - but he didn't want to "stay with her a while" so she wound up aborting the baby. (Stevie has said that Don often invited her to hook up in his house while it was still under construction and that's what inspired those lines - by the time he finished the house, it was over.) No proof of that abortion scenario, though.
Personally, I don't think Stevie wanted a baby at that point in her life regardless of whether or not Don "called her home." She was doing coke, flying around the world, partying constantly, and at the height of her success. She has even said that one of the considerations for her having the abortion was that having a baby would make it impossible for Fleetwood Mac to tour for Rumours. She has never blamed Don in any way or had anything but good things to say about him, to this day.
Don't you love the drama? I know Stevie fans love it. lol
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I was rather shocked by the way Don talked about it in that GQ article.
(BTW, if you're not aware of what we're referring to, L&M's site has the 1991 GQ article. The relevant part is this: Henley’s prodigious romantic escapades would include an affair with Stevie Nicks, who “I believe to the best of my knowledge became pregnant by me. And she named the [unborn] kid Sara, and she had an abortion”-and then wrote the song of the same name “to the spirit of the aborted baby. I was building my house at the time, and there’s a line in the song that says ‘And when you build your house, call me.’)
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I'm pretty sure Not Enough Love in the World is about Lois Chiles and/or Maren Jensen.
Heart of the Matter is about Maren Jensen
At the risk of sounding negative, I don't think any of Don's songs are explictly about Stevie, except possibly Life in the Fastlane.
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To be frank, I think that the Stevie fans who believe that just don't want to accept the fact that Stevie made the decision to abort because she felt it was in her best interest. They'd rather blame Don and make him the bad guy and Stevie the victim who was forced to abort because he left her.Quote:
And you wouldn't think that "Stevie fans" would hate Don if Stevie has never badmouthed him.
Edited to add: I also want to say that there are alternative demo versions of Sara which belie the "bad Don" theory because they have additional lyrics like "And he reached out gently." Hardly condemning words.
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Yeah, I never thought HOTM was about Stevie. As for the rest - I guess we'll never know for sure, but it's fun to speculate.
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I came across a FM Rumours dvd the other day. Do you know if it's a good one Soda? I couldn't tell from the description if it was more a documentary or does it have some complete concert songs on it?