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Former Eagles will not be honored by the Kennedy Center later this year.
Has anyone followed this story? Anyway, it appears only the four main Eagles will be honored later this year. The article reads, in part:
Apparently, it’s not just the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that creates controversy over which former members of a band can be honored. The Kennedy Center has responded to a petition that sought to include ex-Eagles Don Felder, Bernie Leadon and Randy Meisner when the band receives the Kennedy Center Honors later this year.
Despite 10,301 signatures, the petition has been denied after running it by the surviving members of the band. In a statement on the petition’s official change.org page, Brandon Butler, who started the movement, forwarded a statement by Kennedy Center President Deborah Rutter.
It read, “The Kennedy Center consulted with the Eagles and through that discussion, it was determined that the four band members who ‘carried the torch’ — Don Henley, the late Glenn Frey, Timothy B. Schmit, and Joe Walsh — will be awarded the Honors. We appreciate that there will be some debate about who constitutes the Eagles. This determination does not discredit the contributions of former band members.”
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Freypower
Thank you! :)
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WalshGirl
Walshgirl, I wish I had posted my comment about the petition here like you did. I welcome those posts relating specifically to this topic being moved here. That way it won't bring down the vibe of what's supposed to be a celebratory thread, as someone else pointed out, and those who have opted out of that thread don't have to feel excluded. Meanwhile, those of us who are sad and disappointed by the petition can express ourselves without the snipes and insults.
Btw, thanks for the link. Some pretty strong opinions are expressed in the comments.
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Would love to see them all honored in this way, especially the founding members; but alas it is not my call. We just have to remember that without the input from all 7 of the Eagles they would not have the success they have today. Thanks for all the music they have provided us over the years!
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I've listened to recent interviews with Timothy, Joe and Don Henley and although they seem fine when talking about their solo projects, when it comes to the Eagles and Glenn, they still sound wounded. It's a reminder of how close they were and that they probably think of the four of them as a unit and are maybe not ready to consider the bigger picture.
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I'm quoting part of a post from the Felder press thread.
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Eagles7
I finding it upsetting that three Eagles who were part of the band in its most artistic and productive period are not included in the honors. I feel upset that the current group feels they are "carrying the torch" and aren't honest enough with themselves to admit that the torch was lit a long time ago and every single one of those guys struck a match.
Mostly I'm upset that the best selling, most accomplished American band won't take the high road and allow each member to be honored, that they can't see what a statement they could make by honoring the best of each of them and letting go of the worst. That's what really makes me sad, and it disappoints me that fans want to carry some of the same old wounds and attack each other and Members of the Eagles. JMO
I don't find it helpful to get upset over something over which I have no control. Would I have liked to see all seven honoured? Yes, but it's not going to happen and there's nothing I can do to change that so I've moved on.
I know there were people who tried to make a change by organising that petition, but from the start I've thought that it would only harden attitudes. It's like with children when the more you push them to say "sorry" or "thank you", the more entrenched they become. Generally, an approach that allows everyone to save face will be more successful.
The problem with the petition is that the organisers and its supporters made it a battle that they were trying to "win" on behalf of Felder, Meisner and Leadon and see Henley and Frey defeated. In doing so, they've ensured that everyone loses.
What noone can stop is for each of us to honour whoever we choose. If you watch the tributes, there is nothing to stop you including the other band members in your thoughts. Hopefully, the introduction will cover the entire band.
As for social media, particularly Don Felder's Facebook page, I'm always amazed by the ignorance of those fans who seem to believe the band starts and ends with Hotel California.
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No online petition was going to change anything. Those things are a dime a dozen, and if you don't get at least 100,000 signatures, you're not considered worth noting. This one got some press because Felder himself promoted it and it was still unable to get anywhere near that number.
Regardless, as I said, it was never going to change anything. The Kennedy Center is not a popular awards ceremony driven by the desires of the fans. It owes nothing to the fans. It is for the artists.
I do feel bad for the other former Eagles, but I understand the decision. I hope people can accept it and move on.
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The way I see it is that Meisner and Leadon left of their own accord, and Felder was fired. They were NOT current members of The Eagles. Bernie was a guest on the HOTE tour. And if Glenn had not died he would still be a member. So it is absolutely appropriate to include him in the honor. Felder can go fornicate himself. If he had appreciated what he had he would still have been a member, instead of being a whiny little bitch because he got left out. He has a lot of nerve to be so glib and self entitled. His hubris is both amusing and sad.
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That's a crude post WW. ...and people are complaining about and posting rude remarks from fans on Felder's site? Looks like it goes both ways.
I don't get people being Eagle fans and speaking disparagingly about any of the members?
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Eagles7
That's a crude post WW. ...and people are complaining about and posting rude remarks from fans on Felder's site? Looks like it goes both ways.
I don't get people being Eagle fans and speaking disparagingly about any of the members?
I agree. That was rude and unnecessary WW.
I rarely post or visit this site anymore, as I feel there is a double standard.
You fit right in as long as you worship Frey or Henley, but Heaven forbid Felder comes up, you're likely going to get ripped up one side and down the other.
It's starting to become cruel.
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UndertheWire
I don't find it helpful to get upset over something over which I have no control.
Neither is it helpful to get upset over what complete strangers say in the comments section on Felder's Facebook page, another thing over which we have no control. However, because we are humans and not robots, we are going to be upset when we believe something is unfair and unjust, especially when it comes at the expense of people we love and admire. It would be helpful to be able express these emotions, especially in a forum titled "Former Eagles," without tacitly being told to shut up about it.
It stands to reason those of us who are disappointed by this will move on and get over it. It is hardly the crisis of the century. What is NOT helpful is being told to get over it all the while pouring salt into the wound by referring to the petition as pointless or childish, or nothing more than a vehicle to "defeat" Henley or Frey.
No doubt many people signed the petition knowing it would not effect any real change, but we did it to make our voices heard and to stand up for three people we believe to be to be very talented musicians--singers, songwriters, instrumentalists--who played their own substantial roles in the success of the band and are part of the reason why the band made such a cultural impact. At the very least it did raise awareness and helped remind people that yes, indeed, there were 3 other Eagles and they still matter to a whole lot of fans.
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Eagles7
That's a crude post WW. ...and people are complaining about and posting rude remarks from fans on Felder's site? Looks like it goes both ways.
I don't get people being Eagle fans and speaking disparagingly about any of the members?
I don't get why people who dislike Don Felder so much go to his/former Eagles thread at all. It's one thing to vent, but the nitpicking that goes on...even the way he smiles gets slammed. Same for those who don't care about the former members...what's the point of coming to the "Former Members" forum just to repeat what's already been said elsewhere? It's like those of us who are fans of the former members need to be put in our place or something. I'm beginnng to understand VillageGirl's position.
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VillageGirl
I agree. That was rude and unnecessary WW.
I rarely post or visit this site anymore, as I feel there is a double standard.
You fit right in as long as you worship Frey or Henley, but Heaven forbid Felder comes up, you're likely going to get ripped up one side and down the other.
It's starting to become cruel.
No. What's cruel is to continuously try to interject yourself into situations with people who clearly want nothing to do with you, and are still mourning the loss of their friend and colleague. Glenn died ? Well !! Why wasn't I invited to his funeral so that I could honor him ? Kennedy Center Honors ? Well !! I deserve it as much as everyone else !! So what I sued them ? So what they can't even call me by my first name ? I demand to be there, and I will start a petition to make sure I get there !! Yeah, not cruel at all.
He clearly doesn't care if he's hurting Cindy and the kids. He clearly doesn't care if he's hurting the band, their families, and other loved ones. He wants his accolades, his pats on the back. He even made sure to boo hoo on the HOTE DVD, so that everyone would feel bad for poor widdle Don. You don't see Randy or Bernie pubically making a stink about it. That's because they have respect and are willing to accept the fact that they will not be honored. He's a disgrace, and should be ashamed of himself for acting like a selfish jerk. If he really wants to honor Glenn he should keep his mouth shut, and go quietly into the night.
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By cruel, I wasn't referring to the treatment of Felder by the Eagles or the public.. I was referring to those of us on here who have an appreciation for all 7 Eagles and at times feel ostracized when we go to discuss them in the appropriate former member threads, yet still people have to join in to make nasty, unwarranted comments.
Your rage is somewhat out of control and until you can get your emotions in check and act dignified, I have no interest in conversing with you. I feel sorry for you. I really do.
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If fans want to vent about this, I understand it, and I apologize that my post about the ineffectiveness of the petition and my statement that people should move on came off as dismissive. Your feelings and opinions are valid and should be respected.
It's true that we should all avoid calling band members names, regardless of how frustrated we are with them.
I can understand the desire for a "safe zone" where no one disagrees with you. This thread is not going to be the place for that, though, because it's a very controversial subject.
Indeed, Felder is a controversial figure. That's why there's so much conflict and drama in this forum - there's practically none for Randy and even less for Bernie, but not so for Felder. People want to discuss his statements. They want to discuss his book, his interviews, his social media posts... all of which are controversial. Thus, what is said is not going to be universally positive. Far from it because as has been noted, emotions are very high.
Therefore, the demand that the entirety of the forum should be nothing but positive posts is an unrealistic one.
Perhaps we could start a thread entitled something like "Favorite Things About Don Felder" and I can make it clear from the outset that that particular thread is only for positive posts. How does that sound?
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Therefore, the demand that the entirety of the forum should be nothing but positive posts is an unrealistic one.
Agreed Soda.
I think it would be nice if everyone kept from making snide remarks about any member or especially a poster but keeping certain people from posting in a certain section or trying to control them and their comments isn't a good solution and is counterproductive.
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There are nk Safe Spaces on the internet. Juilian Assange proved that lol.
I have seen far worse on other boards and thats why I am here alot of forums lack respect and integrity but this is the one exception and I would like to keep it like that. This by far one of he best forums on the internet.:cheers:
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VillageGirl
By cruel, I wasn't referring to the treatment of Felder by the Eagles or the public.. I was referring to those of us on here who have an appreciation for all 7 Eagles and at times feel ostracized when we go to discuss them in the appropriate former member threads, yet still people have to join in to make nasty, unwarranted comments.
Your rage is somewhat out of control and until you can get your emotions in check and act dignified, I have no interest in conversing with you. I feel sorry for you. I really do.
I have no rage towards Felder. I pity him, really. His pathetic attempts at making himself relevant again warrant it. I'm sure I'll be just fine without further conversation with you.
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Soda, that's a very generous offer and more than fair.
In this thread (and really any other one), it would be nice if people kept their comments (positive and negative) about the band members and not insult the board members for having the opinions that they hold.
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sodascouts
If fans want to vent about this, I understand it, and I apologize that my post about the ineffectiveness of the petition and my statement that people should move on came off as dismissive. Your feelings and opinions are valid and should be respected.
Thank you for this Soda; thanks for understanding.
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Yes, thank you very much Soda. It is very much appreciated.
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travlnman2
There are nk Safe Spaces on the internet. Juilian Assange proved that lol.
I have seen far worse on other boards and thats why I am here alot of forums lack respect and integrity but this is the one exception and I would like to keep it like that. This by far one of he best forums on the internet.:cheers:
Aw. Thank you so much!
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VillageGirl
I agree. That was rude and unnecessary WW.
I rarely post or visit this site anymore, as I feel there is a double standard.
You fit right in as long as you worship Frey or Henley, but Heaven forbid Felder comes up, you're likely going to get ripped up one side and down the other.
It's starting to become cruel.
Somethings never change!!!
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Well, not only were the former Eagles not honored, they were not even acknowledged. While I figured it would be something of a miracle if their names were mentioned, I did think showing a few early pictures of the band would at least be some kind of nod, an admission that they existed.
That wasn't the case. The KCH seemed to take pains at making sure these 3 were shown as little as possible. They were cropped out of footage and pictures. There was one photo that showed the original 4; it was from the '73 Voorburg concert and the images of Glenn and Don were brightened while Randy and Bernie's were darker. There was a photo from the '74 California Jam that showed a view from behind; you can see the back of Henley's head as well as Glenn's and Bernie's. That's it. Don Felder fared worse. There was one picture of him where he's onstage at the '77 Capital Center concert with the others; it's a side view of his face. Of course, these images were shown quickly.
This was so disappointing. A person totally new to the band could see this and surmise that the early Eagles were nothing more than Frey and Henley and a couple of anonymous backing musicians. So misleading and so dishonest. This was a letdown by the KCH who I suppose were embarrassed by the petition. Or maybe they were under strict orders by Henley and Azoff to do it this way. I'm not sure what to think anymore. :confused::shrug:
Now that this is over, I am hopeful this Revisionism that's been going on for awhile will fall by the wayside, as new and younger fans come to discover this great BAND (not duo). Ok, rant over.
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Oh my, that's terrible. I thought at least the contributions of the other members - what did you call them? The Three Who Must Not Be Named - would be acknowledged. Very unfortunate.
I too hope this attempt to rewrite history is not a sign of things to come.
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Although I would have loved for them to be mentioned, I was not surprised that they were not what with all that has been said. But I was kind of surprised they did show glimpses of them in videos and pictures, I was not expecting any reference at all.
I do feel that the whole Eagles segment was rushed as someone mentioned elsewhere.
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I don't know what went on, but if the former members were totally ignored, that's sad and not cool IMO. Although it's probably fine by Bernie.
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chaim
I don't know what went on, but if the former members were totally ignored, that's sad and not cool IMO. Although it's probably fine by Bernie.
Chaim, here is a video showing the photo montage from the ceremony so you can decide for yourself. Hopefully you can access it. There's a picture of the OOTN lineup about 30 seconds in that I overlooked, plus a couple of others of Don F from the HC and LR tours. So it's a little better than I initially thought, but not by much.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xhfZMe53MnI
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It was a bit strange, so many photos and videos featuring just Don H and Glenn only, as if they were on their own.
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NightMistBlue
It was a bit strange, so many photos and videos featuring just Don H and Glenn only, as if they were on their own.
Exactly! Not cool, KCH :fingerwag:
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Disappointing. I wonder who put together the tribute. It won't have been the honourees.
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I think Joe said the KCH award would be a fitting closure for the band. I don't agree.
I brought up the subject of iconic images in a thread about the Hotel California album, saying I have very few recent iconic images of the Eagles.
Well KCH has given me, what could be the closing image of the band. Sat in the audience, privileged seats mind, incomplete but families present, suited, clapping and waving, gurning for the cameras, wearing some kind of award with awful looking multi coloured ribbons hung round their necks. They may have been wearing name tags too.
I remember when it was all about the music....
When Pete Townsend wrote "Hope I die before I get old" I think he meant he never wanted to become an associate of the corporate establishment. Well the Eagles are now embracing that with open arms.
Maybe it's a fitting end for the band members but it's a very unsatisfactory closure for this fan. At the end everybody except Glenn and Don became marginalized.
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I don't disagree with you, Mr. Funk. While I was pleased to read that Timothy enjoyed the KCH ceremonies, my impression was that (at least the broadcast portion we saw) made him and Joe look like sidemen. But at least they were acknowledged, which is more than one can say for The Three Who Must Not Be Named.
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Funk 50
I think Joe said the KCH award would be a fitting closure for the band. I don't agree.
I brought up the subject of iconic images in a thread about the Hotel California album, saying I have very few recent iconic images of the Eagles.
Well KCH has given me, what could be the closing image of the band. Sat in the audience, privileged seats mind, incomplete but families present, suited, clapping and waving, gurning for the cameras, wearing some kind of award with awful looking multi coloured ribbons hung round their necks. They may have been wearing name tags too.
I remember when it was all about the music....
When Pete Townsend wrote "Hope I die before I get old" I think he meant he never wanted to become an associate of the corporate establishment. Well the Eagles are now embracing that with open arms.
Maybe it's a fitting end for the band members but it's a very unsatisfactory closure for this fan. At the end everybody except Glenn and Don became marginalized.
Even for you this is very harsh.
Should they not have accepted the honour? Or 'some kind of award' as you call it, when it was explained to you on numerous occasions by American Borderers how prestigious it is. What were they supposed to do? Like it or not it is a formal occasion & they were required to dress formallly. I don't see how receiving this honour makes them part of the 'corporate establishment'.
Also, they were doing it for Glenn. He was excited & proud of this.
You say it's 'very unsatisfactory closure'. OK. I do actually see what you mean by this, believe it or not. Sadly, the events of last January meant that there could never BE a 'satisfactory' closure. It can't be about the music any more because that is over.
As for the omission of the three former members during the tiribute I can understand the disappointment of some here, but I would prefer not to comment further.
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I thought this thread was about wanting to see Bernie, Don F and Randy to be recognized at KCH. Would they be dismissed as glib, suit-wearing establishment huggers if they had been able to attend?
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Funk 50
I remember when it was all about the music....
When Pete Townsend wrote "Hope I die before I get old" I think he meant he never wanted to become an associate of the corporate establishment. Well the Eagles are now embracing that with open arms.
Interesting comparison. Would you judge Pete Townsend by his own words, too? If so, here he is "embracing" with open arms (and you'll probably want to skip the first minute): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgkImkPbJhE
Apologies to fans of Bernie, Randy and Don F for continuing on this side-track. However, you can look at the way the members of The Who who were not named Townsend or Daltry were handled. The award was for Daltry and Townsend, not the band and although Keith Moon and John Entwhistle were shown in the mini-bio, they were very much sidelined. Even to the point of using "their drummer" and "their bassist" when describing their deaths.
I'm glad that "Eagles" were honoured rather identifying individuals. Going from the KCH introduction and after seeing the Townsend/Daltry one, it seems that the Kennedy Center might have been just as happy with making it Henley/Frey.
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Ok anyway you slice it there are no winners here.
Glenn has passed away . He was such a driving force and. Probably the reason why there was even a band.
I think what ever they did it was gonna upset some and make others happy people.
Really folks there are no winners here
Glenn has passed and the band as well.
He would have wanted it to go on ,I am sure.
I'm glad they were honored in what ever way it turned out !
It did my heart good to see them all happy in the box with the president and their wifes and cindy and taylor.
I have my opinions about don felder and it really is irrelvent here. I think his true colors show througheven way back from the begining . Somepeople are impressed with their own significance and how important they thimk they are .( this applies to many people)
It is what it is
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UndertheWire
Interesting comparison. Would you judge Pete Townsend by his own words, too? If so, here he is "embracing" with open arms (and you'll probably want to skip the first minute):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgkImkPbJhE
Apologies to fans of Bernie, Randy and Don F for continuing on this side-track. However, you can look at the way the members of The Who who were not named Townsend or Daltry were handled. The award was for Daltry and Townsend, not the band and although Keith Mood and John Entwhistle were shown in the mini-bio, they were very much sidelined. Even to the point of using "their drummer" and "their bassist" when describing their deaths.
I'm glad that "Eagles" were honoured rather identifying individuals. Going from the KCH introduction and after seeing the Townsend/Daltry one, it seems that the Kennedy Center might have been just as happy with making it Henley/Frey.
This year was more like Led Zepplin being honered without Bonzo but like Felder, Randy and Betnie he was made sure to not be sidelined
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Wow, it has been about 3 years since I last came to this forum and so much has changed. The biggest and of course saddest news is the passing of Frey just about a year ago. I thought of coming back then, but had lost track of the forum for a spell, and was not really in any type of mood to think about the loss. Poor Meisner also had his share of heartache losing his wife to the tragic accident.
I must say that having just watched a few snippets of the Kennedy Award show where the former band members were not invited, really is another new low.
It of course was appropriate to have Frey's wife there to represent him. However, I read a few weeks prior that Henley had made the decision not to include Leadon, Meisner, nor Felder for the ceremony, which is sadly typical of him.
Even Frey's passing and thus staring his own mortality in the mirror didn't allow Henley to get past his own pettiness.
For all we know, poor Randy might not have been healthy enough (physically or mentally) to attend, but he still should have been invited. The same is true of Leadon and Felder. The Eagles would obviously never have been as successful for it not for those three members.
Thus it was very fitting to have all 7 of them together at the R&R HOF induction.
This time around it should have been all 6, with Frey represented via his family.
It really sickens me to think my favorite band no longer holds the same respect I use to have for them. This last bit of disrespect and pettiness toward the rest of the group is beyond explanation. Even the biggest Henley apologist cannot defend it with a straight face.
Needless to say this comment does not apply to every member equally, though each has their own shortcomings/faults (except maybe Timmy) :mrgreen:
If Joe & Timmy had a say/vote, I'd bet they would have overruled Henley and said lets invite everyone. But with Henley now being the sole owner of the Eagle's franchise, doing the right thing was not going to happen.