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    Yes, I heard about the Springsteen,McCartney thing. They actually pulled the plug on them during a song! When you have legendary rock stars on the stage, you don't pull the plug!! They better get a clue or nobody will attend these shows anymore.
    I saw the show on tv but if I was there, I would have been so pissed!

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    I guess we know why some of the Eagles concerts are shorter than normal, like at the casinos. They might get their mikes cut, so plan your show accordingly!

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    The curfew at at O2 on a Sunday evening is there for a very good reason.
    The O2 in central London holds 20,000 people.
    Madison Square Garden in central New York holds 18,200.
    How do most people travel to MSG, and how late do the concerts/events there finish on a Sunday evening, and at what time on a Sunday evening do the NYC transport systems start to close?

    MSG seems to be almost at the centre of a massive transport set-up.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison...transportation

    Compare this to the 02, which has the grand total of one underground train line.
    http://www.theo2.co.uk/location/transport.html
    Plus eight buses services - most of which go south of the river and nowhere near any other major transport hub. The buses carry approximately 50 people.

    I'm not sure how many people you can squash and squeeze into a underground (tube) carriage, nor whether there are 7 or 8 carriages per train. Let's be generous and say 100 people per carriage and 8 carriages per train.
    On a Sunday evening trains depart from North Greenwich (the station for the 02) westward to Canary Wharf at 22.28, 22.31, 22.34 and 22.38. That's it.
    The last eastbound train departs at the much later hour of 22.51.
    How many people leaving a concert which finishes at 22.30 are going to be able to catch a train?

    The O2 website mentions Lewisham as one of the destinations served by buses. Well, the last bus to there leaves the O2 at 22.44.

    So basically the only reliable form of transport from the O2 at night is a car. How many cars do you need for 20,000 people, and how long will they take to leave the car park? (Always providing of course, that the 02 car park holds that many cars!) There is also the slight problem of how the 02 staff get home if there is no public transport.

    I would add that the underground trains finish at the same time every night of the week. I haven't checked the buses.

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    The 'pulling the plug' on over-running concerts goes back to either Live8 in 2005, or a similar concert.
    I remember watching it on TV, and we'd already been told that Joe Bloggs, the world and his wife would be performing. I think the concert was supposed to finish at 10, and at 8.30 there were about a dozen headline acts still to perform. (Though it had been obvious from about 5 o'clock that the concert was running behind schedule.)

    As it got nearer and nearer 'closing time' I wondered what they were going to do because if it was suddenly announced that the show was finishing without the real headliners appearing there would have been riots. (We British are usually quite placid, but just occasionally we boil over.)
    The TV presenters were wittering on that the authorities (and the Government because Tessa Jowell who was minister of/for something at the time was also involved) were worried about people missing their trains home. I suspect that there was also a 'noise pollution' issue too, as there are quite a lot of houses surrounding Hyde Park.
    In the end 'they' allowed the show to finish (but some people may have been told to perform one fewer song). I think quite a few people spent the night sleeping in Hyde Park because they'd missed their transport home.

    I don't know if other concerts since then have over-run, and the authorities said 'the next one that over-runs get the plug pulled', or whether the organisers of all concerts have been told 'Your finishing time is ... and the plug will be pulled if you over-run.' Certainly, it would have been spelt out to the organisers - who I would have thought would have passed the message on to the performers.

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    At least here in Washington, event organizers can pay for there to be extended train service after an event. It was a huge problem with baseball games running late this past season. Metro charges a base rate ahead of time for an extra hour and then if enough people use it, the organizer won't have to pay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topkat View Post
    A 10:30 curfew? Are they freekin' kidding me? I'm glad the Stones went past that. These curfew cut off times are Out of Control!!!
    WTH???
    It's not the curfew times that are out of control.
    It's the prima donna performers who think it's OK to keep their fans waiting 30 minutes past the scheduled 'start' time of a show.
    Had the Stones got their butts on stage in reasonable time then they wouldn't have over-run. They should have been fined a million quid for taking the proverbial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prayfordaylight View Post
    At least here in Washington, event organizers can pay for there to be extended train service after an event. It was a huge problem with baseball games running late this past season. Metro charges a base rate ahead of time for an extra hour and then if enough people use it, the organizer won't have to pay.
    It was a big problem and still is, as it's hard to know if the event organizers have paid the money or not. Still, that's a 'curfew' imposed by the crappy transit system and not the venues. As far as I know, there are no curfews at any indoor venues in the DC area, and the curfews at the outdoor venues are 11pm regardless of what day of the week it is. Since the shows typically start at 7 or 7:30 in the outdoor venues, it's never been a problem that I know of. It's thunderstorms that make them end early.

    As someone who lives less than five miles from an outdoor amphitheater that seats 23,000 people, I understand a curfew. Indoor not so much. As far as public transit, there are ZERO public transit options for the amphitheater close by regardless of the time of day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UK TimFan View Post
    It's not the curfew times that are out of control.
    It's the prima donna performers who think it's OK to keep their fans waiting 30 minutes past the scheduled 'start' time of a show.
    Had the Stones got their butts on stage in reasonable time then they wouldn't have over-run. They should have been fined a million quid for taking the proverbial.
    I don't know that the Stones were late at arriving, there could be technical clitches that cause a delay in the show, but I don't think 1/2 hour is that long. I don't think the Stones are divas, many much worse than that leaving fans waiting much longer. At least they played the show entirely. I heard it was 2 1/2 hours long

    I never heard of transit shutting down at a certain time. NYC has trains 24/7. I would think that with a place as large as the O2 they could make transportation a bit easier being that there are so many people leaving a stadium that large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK TimFan View Post
    It's not the curfew times that are out of control.
    It's the prima donna performers who think it's OK to keep their fans waiting 30 minutes past the scheduled 'start' time of a show.
    Had the Stones got their butts on stage in reasonable time then they wouldn't have over-run. They should have been fined a million quid for taking the proverbial.

    You have got to be kidding me. Just because The Stones were late that means they are divas? Traffic Problems or Flight Delays could have caused it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topkat View Post
    I never heard of transit shutting down at a certain time. NYC has trains 24/7.
    DC's Metro system shuts down at different times each day, depending if someone has paid them to stay open longer for a ballgame or concert or other event. So consequently, you can't rely on it and there is no place to park. During Nationals games this past summer, they'd actually announce and have on the jumbotron that those using Metro would need to leave right then, before the game was over.

    I put myself out (obviously) to see the Eagles, but this is the main reason I don't go to other concerts. Too far, too difficult, too expensive, and seldom worth it.
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