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    I think Joe is really starting to have problems with his fingers. If you've ever looked at his fingers they twitch uncontrollably He usually keeps his hands in a fist or holds one hand with the other. I've seen him lose his pick because his thumb jerks up and if you watch his left thumb it pops up and down even when he's not moving the rest of his hand. He's had this problem for years, since the early 90's at least. Back then he always kept his hands in his pockets. If he has on short sleeves you can see the muscle twitch all the way up his shoulders.
    When he plays in his bands I've noticed his rhythm guitar person is playing more and more of the solo parts. He and Steuart are playing more and more together. I like the sound but I wonder if it's out of necessity as much as sound
    Yeah I think you're exactly right.

    Though I will say I did hear Steuart hit a bum note on that GF solo. And it's not a hard solo, but if you had to quickly throw something together I can see how it would happen. It's nothing pyrotechnical, but you do tend to skirt around the middle and high registers of the neck pretty quickly in a back and forth fashion. And I think Joe probably wanted to save his hands for stuff like the Hotel California solo or the Dirty Laundry solo if they are still playing that. I think they had to seriously quickly get together to learn the parts that Deacon played lead on. Be it Try And Love Again, Already Gone, Witchy Woman, etc. I haven't seen TALA or WW, but I was curious who was doing what on AG so I suffered through the video to find out LOL. Also they would have had to get someone to do the 12 string TIE intro guitar part as the other guys are on either 6 string acoustic or electric.

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    I haven't watched that many videos featuring Vince or Vince and Deacon...Now you're talking about who plays what, are there songs from the days before Joe that Don doesn't play drums on? If there are, there's not one original person playing his original part (and only one is singing his original part.) I assume Don still plays drums on the earlier songs.
    Don is out front now on Already Gone with an acoustic guitar. Definitely pre-Joe.

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    One thing I really noticed is on Hotel CA the lack of the second 12 string. Glenn played 12 string with a capo on the second fret and Don now Steuart play the 12 string with it on the 7th fret. Deacon played the 12 string part but without him it's just Steuart. It loses something. While Steuart was playing 6 string you would still have the 12 string in the background now you don't. It's just doesn't sound right.
    I think Joe may realize his limitations now. He's always liked Steuart's playing and they seem to really have a good time playing together. You see Steuart playing in Vets Aid with Joe. Joe likes having two guitars playing together. Over all I think he's willing to do anything for the better of the band. He just enjoys playing.
    It also seems to me like Timothy seems to been moved to the background since Vince is in. I like Vince but I think having him sing on Tim's solo is wrong. It' has always been Tim and parts with background but now it seems like Vince sings almost the whole song too. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just ow I see it. Now you always see Don with Joe but no Timothy or never Don with Timothy or even Joe and Timothy. It's not like he and Joe live that far apart.

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    One thing I really noticed is on Hotel CA the lack of the second 12 string. Glenn played 12 string with a capo on the second fret and Don now Steuart play the 12 string with it on the 7th fret. Deacon played the 12 string part but without him it's just Steuart. It loses something. While Steuart was playing 6 string you would still have the 12 string in the background now you don't. It's just doesn't sound right.
    I think Joe may realize his limitations now. He's always liked Steuart's playing and they seem to really have a good time playing together. You see Steuart playing in Vets Aid with Joe. Joe likes having two guitars playing together. Over all I think he's willing to do anything for the better of the band. He just enjoys playing.
    It also seems to me like Timothy seems to been moved to the background since Vince is in. I like Vince but I think having him sing on Tim's solo is wrong. It' has always been Tim and parts with background but now it seems like Vince sings almost the whole song too. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just ow I see it. Now you always see Don with Joe but no Timothy or never Don with Timothy or even Joe and Timothy. It's not like he and Joe live that far apart.
    Incidentally, I wonder why Glenn started playing HC with a capo on the second fret live since there's no such acoustic part in the original version as far as I can hear. Except possibly in the choruses. Why didn't Glenn just learn Don's acoustic part (capo on the 7th) and play that live? The part Glenn played live was all triads whereas Don's part has 7ths and 9ths - a different sound.

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    Incidentally, I wonder why Glenn started playing HC with a capo on the second fret live since there's no such acoustic part in the original version as far as I can hear. Except possibly in the choruses. Why didn't Glenn just learn Don's acoustic part (capo on the 7th) and play that live? The part Glenn played live was all triads whereas Don's part has 7ths and 9ths - a different sound.
    I think it was solely to give him an instrument to play and something to do. He's not the lead vocal on Hotel Cali, so standing up there just singing background vocals front and center without a guitar on would probably have felt awkward to him unless he had a guitar or was singing lead vocals. I know I feel naked onstage without a guitar. If I don't have a part to play, I just turn the volume off and play chords or at least look like I'm doing something. I mean even Henley likes to strap on a guitar when he's singing out front unless it's a song like Desperado or something real slow and mellow and passionate. It's almost like a security blanket or a feeling of comfort and you don't feel exposed.

    As far as why he didn't play DF's part, I guess perhaps Don didn't want to share it - I mean he talks about the fact he just *had* to get a doubleneck because he had to play both parts and hated guitar stands. I'd say that was his thing and he wasn't all for sharing it. Clearly Glenn wasn't that way, considering he let him play the ICTYW solo every night. But I could see Don not wanting to give Glenn his creation and let him stand out front and play the intro, regardless of Felder still getting to play the guitar solo. I think it was a case of "ok, what do I do here that will fit" as far as him playing it 2nd fret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaim View Post
    Incidentally, I wonder why Glenn started playing HC with a capo on the second fret live since there's no such acoustic part in the original version as far as I can hear. Except possibly in the choruses. Why didn't Glenn just learn Don's acoustic part (capo on the 7th) and play that live? The part Glenn played live was all triads whereas Don's part has 7ths and 9ths - a different sound.
    I think it was just for choruses. The first time I saw it I thought maybe Glenn's guitar was tuned down a step to make it easier to play but he's been playing 12 for a long time. It just gives the song a fuller sound and it just didn't sound the same without it

    @WalshFan88 I've noticed Don out front more since Vince has been in the band. I noticed many times in the past when he out front he'll walk over and stand with who ever has a solo guitar part. Also when Joe goes over to play with Vince and Timothy, he goes over there to leaving Steuart and Deacon playing together. I know he has said he's had problems with him hand and arm when playing the drums now. Said sometime it's like a shotgun going off in his arm down to his hand.
    Don from the start has had a hard time out front in someways He doesn't know what to do with his hands when he's talking. You see him playing with the mike a lot. When he went solo he had to learn how to move his body. Heard he actually took Salsa dance lessons In someways I always felt that was his problem with Joe. Joe was a natural showman and just had a stage presence that Don didn't Joe just likes to have fun where Don is a little more refined. Now I think he's glad Joe is there to take to the crowd, kinda take the lead to get things started.
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    Now I think he's glad Joe is there to take to the crowd, kinda take the lead to get things started.
    Absolutely!

    Next to Glenn, Joe is the only other charismatic person on that stage. Glenn and Joe were the only ones who were charismatic or natural frontmen in the Eagles since 1972, IMO. Those two knew/know how to have fun. How to engage an audience, crack jokes, and make it not near as stuffy as say, a Don Henley solo concert might be. Don is a brilliant lyricist and singer but I don't think the man has had fun in the last I don't know how many years. I think back on all of those live clips of Joe cracking Glenn up or vice versa and the genuine friendship between those two. There's a reason Glenn partnered up with Joe in the solo years for Party Of Two concerts. There was no drama there.

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    Absolutely!

    Next to Glenn, Joe is the only other charismatic person on that stage. Glenn and Joe were the only ones who were charismatic or natural frontmen in the Eagles since 1972, IMO. Those two knew/know how to have fun. How to engage an audience, crack jokes, and make it not near as stuffy as say, a Don Henley solo concert might be. Don is a brilliant lyricist and singer but I don't think the man has had fun in the last I don't know how many years. I think back on all of those live clips of Joe cracking Glenn up or vice versa and the genuine friendship between those two. There's a reason Glenn partnered up with Joe in the solo years for Party Of Two concerts. There was no drama there.

    I remember when they started concerts again, watching Joe, thinking that he doesn't have a buddy to have fun onstage with anymore. I'm sure they are all enjoying themselves, but no cutting up, joking with each other, dancing around. Having someone else sing Glenn's songs (even if they sounded exactly like him) doesn't even begin to replace what they have lost.
    No warm, gregarious host sets the stage for concert goers, interacts with all band members, or introduces backup musicians and lets them share applause. Glenn kept a watchful eye on all proceedings, signaled musicians or even the orchestra when necessary, and filled in with humor when there were technical issues. He told the familiar jokes everyone laughed and groaned at. He added spark with a wink, a grin, a funny face. It was his band.
    Although they may sound good, it's the Muzak version. They didn't just lose a voice. "Elvis has left the building", and their Leader is gone.
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    There's a reason Glenn partnered up with Joe in the solo years for Party Of Two concerts. [/QUOTE] I see no other Eagle doing this with Joe!
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    Yes, the band lost so much when Glenn died. Not just a singer. Like Yes lost so much more than a bass player when Chris Squire died. The difference, of course, is that we know that Squire wanted the band to continue.

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