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    Quote Originally Posted by carol7lynn View Post
    It's not. It's about "living in the limelight..the universal dream," and earning, to quote Jessie Pinkman, "fat stacks," while "slouching to Bethleham," making sure to by-pass Eden along the way knocking back "pink champagne on ice.....(as they) dance to forget!"

    Deacon needs to break away and get on with his "search," to avoid the pitfalls of "Wasted Time."

    I don't know if you're aware but 'slouching to(wards) Bethlehem' is from my favourite poem, Yeats' The Second Coming. It's a bit more apocalyptic than the way it seems to be used here. But your point is well made.


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    Only when the consistency is based solely on a reverence for tradition, religion, conforming to the opinions of others, the opinions of the greats of the past - in other words, something that is not really in line with one's own truth. If your past opinion is based on one of these things, it is foolish. It would fit into the "pop culture" definition of the foolish consistency that one may and should change without shame. (In Don's case, is the opinion that the Eagles should end with Glenn's death applicable here? No!) On the other hand, Emerson argues one should be CONSTANT to one's truth. But people use it as an excuse to validate every change of opinion, even when they stray from their conscience, from what they know is right.... as Don did. Thus, he violates Emerson.

    The FIRST part of "Self-Reliance" does lend itself to the "pop-culture" interpretation because, again, there are SOME instances where Emerson finds such a change of past opinion justifiable - when that opinion was not based on one's own truth. However, when you read beyond the opening paragraphs, you see that changing one's opinion is not universally justifiable; as I said earlier in my summary, you cannot change from your truth to an opinion that violates your conscience. Reading further, you see his real point:
    "And now at last the highest truth on this subject remains unsaid; probably cannot be said; for all that we say is the far-off remembering of the intuition. That thought, by what I can now nearest approach to say it, is this. When good is near you, when you have life in yourself, it is not by any known or accustomed way; you shall not discern the foot-prints of any other; you shall not see the face of man; you shall not hear any name;—— the way, the thought, the good, shall be wholly strange and new. It shall exclude example and experience.

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    If we cannot at once rise to the sanctities of obedience and faith, let us at least resist our temptations; let us enter into the state of war, and wake Thor and Woden, courage and constancy, in our Saxon breasts. This is to be done in our smooth times by speaking the truth. Check this lying hospitality and lying affection. Live no longer to the expectation of these deceived and deceiving people with whom we converse."
    Admittedly, there are other interpretations, and I've only pulled out a couple passages when there are far more to discuss (not that these are the only ones to support me). However, I despise it when Emerson is used to justify doing what one knows in one's heart is wrong. I do not think that was Emerson's intent. In fact, Emerson was concerned that people would think that "the bold sensualist will use the name of philosophy to gild his crimes." However, he hoped that "the law of consciousness abides" and people would follow their truth rather than use his teachings to justify betrayal and wrongdoing, to listen to those who would "tempt" us with things like money...

    Honestly, overall, Emerson has a lot of problematic doctrines, and the truth is that his philosophy is really not one to live your life by in any case. But if you are going to tout him as your inspiration, be aware of his larger point.

    That speaks to me. It seems particularly appropriate for this situation & Don Henley's actual actions as opposed to what he believes he has done.

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    I must admit I had no idea anyone really cared when I expressed my opinion of Henley's quote ... one word pfffft ... Thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts and feelings, it has been very interesting.

    Regarding the idea of the brand possibly taking up residency in Vegas -- this in and of itself would not surprise me. Vegas is much less rigorous than a North American tour and they can charge a premium price for show tickets.

    At some point Vince Gill may want to return to doing his own thing but let's face it, the money ain't half bad and either is the glory ride.


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    Quote Originally Posted by carol7lynn View Post
    It's not. It's about "living in the limelight..the universal dream," and earning, to quote Jessie Pinkman, "fat stacks," while "slouching to Bethleham," making sure to by-pass Eden along the way knocking back "pink champagne on ice.....(as they) dance to forget!"

    Deacon needs to break away and get on with his "search," to avoid the pitfalls of "Wasted Time."
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    Vince Gill isn't waiting for the end of the tour to return to his own touring. Was sitting here tonight, and a commercial came on for the Fraze Pavillion (local outdoor concert venue). Vince Gill is playing a solo concert there on August 13th.

    Problem? Sheesh... "Vince Gill has been travelling with the legendary Eagles, but on August 13th he's all by himself." And in the background? Vince Gill singing PEF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAinOH View Post
    Vince Gill isn't waiting for the end of the tour to return to his own touring. Was sitting here tonight, and a commercial came on for the Fraze Pavillion (local outdoor concert venue). Vince Gill is playing a solo concert there on August 13th.

    Problem? Sheesh... "Vince Gill has been travelling with the legendary Eagles, but on August 13th he's all by himself." And in the background? Vince Gill singing PEF.
    He's definitely using the Eagles name to make himself look better and bigger and more desirable. "Look, I'm an Eagle now - all you naysayers come see me!"

    Ugh..
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    I'd like to think that at least he won't be playing Glenn Frey songs in his solo shows from now on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaim View Post
    I'd like to think that at least he won't be playing Glenn Frey songs in his solo shows from now on!
    If he's advertising his shows with "Peaceful Easy Feeling" - who's to say he won't cover at least one Eagles tune during his show now? I wouldn't be surprised.

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    When I consider what is happening to the legacy of this iconic band since that fateful moment when Henley and others gave the thumbs up to continuing without Glenn Frey - I feel a combination of sadness and disgust.

    Like Soda, I will not be surprised if Gill covers any Eagles songs in his solo shows. In fact, I would be more surprised if he didn't.

    And so it goes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn View Post
    When I consider what is happening to the legacy of this iconic band since that fateful moment when Henley and others gave the thumbs up to continuing without Glenn Frey - I feel a combination of sadness and disgust.

    Like Soda, I will not be surprised if Gill covers any Eagles songs in his solo shows. In fact, I would be more surprised if he didn't.

    And so it goes.
    Dawn, I agree. I can't imagine him not doing at least one Eagles song now that he is supposedly a member of the group. My vote is for PEF.

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