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    I was about to post essentially the same thing, Soda.

    Arlee - Like all of us, you certainly have a right to your opinion and you even have a right to be offended by some comments. I don’t see where anyone here has disputed that, so I’m not sure why you feel that is the case. However, just because you don’t agree with what others have said doesn’t mean they are lying. And I also went back and carefully reread all of your posts and you seem to be mixing up opinions and facts, as well as, contradicting some of your own remarks. Honestly, I’m not going to spend a lot of time refuting baseless claims especially when you haven’t even read all of the posts in the thread you have such issues with. But kind in mind, when you accuse or condemn other members, you are personally attacking and offending them.


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    (This part is more for the debate about the new line-up: many people don't realize that Glenn is honored at the concerts. There is happiness and tears. Henley literally states that "someone is missing"and that they're "not pretending it's the same band." He states that this is a celebration of the legacy that Glenn left us.)

    I would also welcome it if you could share more about how Glenn is being honored at concerts because your account differs from information that has been given by others here. Now, admittedly, I have not been to any of the shows, but from everything I’ve read and heard, Glenn is usually only mentioned once by Deacon as a prelude to Peaceful Easy Feeling, and then his picture is flashed on the jumbotron for several seconds after the song.

    Maybe you can help shed some light on this, but I’ve not heard any reports of tears from the band members. Also, if Henley has said in concert that “someone is missing” and “they’re not pretending to be the same band” or that “this is a celebration of the legacy that Glenn left us”, then I had not heard this before either. If that is something he does at every show, then I do appreciate the sentiment. But, irregardless, I still have a difficult time envisioning these shows as a celebration of Glenn’s legacy when, by all accounts, they don’t even bother to dedicate a song to him. And, TBH, my perspective is that no matter what rhetoric Henley uses, they are, indeed, pretending to be the same band as long as they call themselves “Eagles”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer View Post
    I was about to post essentially the same thing, Soda.

    Arlee - Like all of us, you certainly have a right to your opinion and you even have a right to be offended by some comments. I don’t see where anyone here has disputed that, so I’m not sure why you feel that is the case. However, just because you don’t agree with what others have said doesn’t mean they are lying. And I also went back and carefully reread all of your posts and you seem to be mixing up opinions and facts, as well as, contradicting some of your own remarks. Honestly, I’m not going to spend a lot of time refuting baseless claims especially when you haven’t even read all of the posts in the thread you have such issues with. But kind in mind, when you accuse or condemn other members, you are personally attacking and offending them.




    I would also welcome it if you could share more about how Glenn is being honored at concerts because your account differs from information that has been given by others here. Now, admittedly, I have not been to any of the shows, but from everything I’ve read and heard, Glenn is usually only mentioned once by Deacon as a prelude to Peaceful Easy Feeling, and then his picture is flashed on the jumbotron for several seconds after the song.

    Maybe you can help shed some light on this, but I’ve not heard any reports of tears from the band members. Also, if Henley has said in concert that “someone is missing” and “they’re not pretending to be the same band” or that “this is a celebration of the legacy that Glenn left us”, then I had not heard this before either. If that is something he does at every show, then I do appreciate the sentiment. But, irregardless, I still have a difficult time envisioning these shows as a celebration of Glenn’s legacy when, by all accounts, they don’t even bother to dedicate a song to him.

    And, TBH, my perspective is that no matter what rhetoric Henley uses, they are, indeed, pretending to be tuhe same band as long as they call themselves “Eagles” .
    ^^^^^^

    And there you have it. It is pretentious.

    It is not the same band.

    Someone is indeed missing.

    No Glenn Frey = No Eagles.





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    Quote Originally Posted by sodascouts View Post
    I feel like you're doing the same to a degree. I went back and looked through that thread, and I didn't find anything that said Deacon had no talent, or that the Freys were terrible people. But perhaps I missed them. Please link to them. I'd like to know exactly who you are calling cruel, and who you are calling a liar.


    Sigh.

    I did not call anyone a liar.

    I did not call anyone cruel.

    There was plenty talk about Deacon's lack of career, musical experience, and talent. As I've said, with some of it I don't know the exact wording.

    Saying that they are insulting Glenn's memory, and that it's a money grab, is indeed a low blow to the family. There were other negatives said about them but I don't want to read it again.

    I've stated many times that is what "I felt," "I thought," and "my opinion." (Other than the factual stuff.)

    I'm not going to go back and read 125 pages or whatever it is. I have stated I had to stop reading. I've given many examples already. And, as with this post, I have to keep explaining the same stuff and saying "I never said that."

    This has not been a discussion, but a series of people saying I said things I didn't say, and asking for examples, and me saying over and over "I didn't say that," and giving numerous examples. It's been a successful tactic to put me in the defensive position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer View Post
    I was about to post essentially the same thing, Soda.

    Arlee - Like all of us, you certainly have a right to your opinion and you even have a right to be offended by some comments. I don’t see where anyone here has disputed that, so I’m not sure why you feel that is the case. However, just because you don’t agree with what others have said doesn’t mean they are lying. And I also went back and carefully reread all of your posts and you seem to be mixing up opinions and facts, as well as, contradicting some of your own remarks. Honestly, I’m not going to spend a lot of time refuting baseless claims especially when you haven’t even read all of the posts in the thread you have such issues with. But kind in mind, when you accuse or condemn other members, you are personally attacking and offending them.




    I would also welcome it if you could share more about how Glenn is being honored at concerts because your account differs from information that has been given by others here. Now, admittedly, I have not been to any of the shows, but from everything I’ve read and heard, Glenn is usually only mentioned once by Deacon as a prelude to Peaceful Easy Feeling, and then his picture is flashed on the jumbotron for several seconds after the song.

    Maybe you can help shed some light on this, but I’ve not heard any reports of tears from the band members. Also, if Henley has said in concert that “someone is missing” and “they’re not pretending to be the same band” or that “this is a celebration of the legacy that Glenn left us”, then I had not heard this before either. If that is something he does at every show, then I do appreciate the sentiment. But, irregardless, I still have a difficult time envisioning these shows as a celebration of Glenn’s legacy when, by all accounts, they don’t even bother to dedicate a song to him. And, TBH, my perspective is that no matter what rhetoric Henley uses, they are, indeed, pretending to be the same band as long as they call themselves “Eagles”.

    I haven't contradicted myself. I know the difference between fact and opinion. I haven't made any baseless claims. As I've said, I'm not arguing. I'm not going to explain or defend myself anymore. It'd just be repeating what I've already said.

    Yes my account of the concerts are exactly what I've said. Also, I've been seeing footage of the same on Youtube so I know it wasn't just at the concerts I've been to.

    Vince and or Don talks about Vince's friendship with Glenn. Henley states all of this is dedicated to Glenn and all the other stuff I quoted. He also says these are no replacements since no one can replace him.

    He says these songs are the legacy Glenn has left. Don says that Deacon has had mighty big shoes to fill and that he's "Doing his Poppa proud."

    Yes he's also said that it's not the same band and they're not pretending it is, that it's always been Glenn's band, and that it's a celebration of the songs and what they mean to the fans.

    He says "somebody is missing tonight" and that "we have lost a brother, a father, a friend."

    The same picture of Glenn used at the Grammy tribute is put up on the big screen above the band as Deacon is finishing PEF. Sometimes some band members will turn and clap. I've heard that Deacon has turned and mouthed "thank you" at some shows but I was not a first-hand witness to this.

    I didn't say that I saw band members cry. I've seen many audience members do this.

    After the long pause for clapping after PEF, they play Ol 55 which is also very emotional.

    I'm not saying any of this to try to convince or argue. I'm just responding to what you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee View Post
    Some things said here about Deacon are speculations and assumptions that aren't true.
    The reason I said that is because some of my post addressed some untruths in that thread about their friendships and Deacon's background. Some things that were stated were flat-out false.
    Also the things stated that were flat-out untrue, and the fact that all of that is tolerated here.
    It's true that some things said were false.
    This is calling people liars.

    For example, that maybe he wasn't all that musical
    No one said that, that I can tell.

    or had a career of his own.
    If you're talking about a career as a performer, he hasn't had much of one. That's not a lie.

    He's played guitar and sung to smaller audiences regularly for over ten years. (YouTube "Don Was and Deacon Frey.")
    This is inaccurate, Arlee, unless you're talking about playing to audiences in his living room. Yes, he's played guitar, but he's said himself that he wasn't a professional performer before this. I actually attended those performances with Don Was. They were benefits, special deals with his dad and some other performers, and they happened once a year for four years. Can you find a record of even one public performance by just Deacon Frey? A show that solely features him?

    He's been a producer and a sound mixer.
    Again, no one said he wasn't involved in the music business AT ALL. No one called him a "slacker" or said he wasn't "grateful, thankful, humble, appreciative" etc. Honestly, I don't know him, so I can't tell you anything about his personality, although I have actually met him once. Anyway, I believe all we have done is questioned his credentials as a performer and that, Arlee, is perfectly valid.


    I have to be honest and say that some things said here have been cruel to the family and the band and insulting to the fans, including me. Honestly folks, it comes off as very selfish and insensitive.
    What threw me was the more extreme comments that I thought were cold and cruel.
    what I can't understand or respect is the cruel and cold comments about the family, the band, and the new line-up fans.
    Those are harsh words, and yet you have no specific examples. It seems to me that you are calling people cruel here in multiple posts... did I misunderstand you? Anyway, perhaps these "cruel" remarks actually don't exist and you were exaggerating a bit for dramatic effect. If I somehow have forgotten or missed something, you can prove me wrong by finding them.

    NO ONE ELSE'S opinion matters in this except the band and the family.
    Well, my opinion definitely matters when it comes to whether or not I buy a ticket. They're marketing themselves to me. I get to decide whether or not I'm buying.

    My decision: No thanks.

    That music is not Eagles music without Glenn.

    NO GLENN, NO EAGLES.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sodascouts View Post
    This is calling people liars.



    No one said that, that I can tell.



    If you're talking about a career as a performer, he hasn't had much of one. That's not a lie.



    This is inaccurate, Arlee, unless you're talking about playing to audiences in his living room. Yes, he's played guitar, but he's said himself that he wasn't a professional performer before this. I actually attended those performances with Don Was. They were benefits, special deals with his dad and some other performers, and they happened once a year for four years. Can you find a record of even one public performance by just Deacon Frey? A show that solely features him?



    Again, no one said he wasn't involved in the music business AT ALL. No one called him a "slacker" or said he wasn't "grateful, thankful, humble, appreciative" etc. Honestly, I don't know him, so I can't tell you anything about his personality, although I have actually met him once. Anyway, I believe all we have done is questioned his credentials as a performer and that, Arlee, is perfectly valid.








    Those are harsh words, and yet you have no specific examples. It seems to me that you are calling people cruel here in multiple posts... did I misunderstand you? Anyway, perhaps these "cruel" remarks actually don't exist and you were exaggerating a bit for dramatic effect. If I somehow have forgotten or missed something, you can prove me wrong by finding them.



    Well, my opinion definitely matters when it comes to whether or not I buy a ticket. They're marketing themselves to me. I get to decide whether or not I'm buying.

    My decision: No thanks.

    That music is not Eagles music without Glenn.

    NO GLENN, NO EAGLES.


    You can continue arguing by yourself. I'm not here to argue. I addressed my concerns and gave my opinion.

    You've again stated that I called people liars. A liar knows they are deceiving. That is a big leap for you to take. A person who sets the record straight is NOT calling someone a liar.

    I didn't read further and there is no point in doing so because now you are just disparging my character, insisting more than once that I came on here saying things I didn't say, and calling people liars.

    Some people will only read what you've said, that I call people liars. And then I'm known as the person who called people liars.

    You are showing your bias in an unfair way and in a way that invites more conflict. I am bias too but I'm not making things up and I can understand and respect others disliking the current line-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee View Post
    I didn't read further
    I think we have the real problem here. You don't read carefully.

    I think that you read the other thread quickly, you got offended in a generalized way, got emotional, went off on posts being "cold and cruel" and the like.... I think that when we asked you to be specific, to go back and really look at the posts, you probably realized you couldn't actually find something that was truly cruel. Now, instead of admitting that, you're doubling down. Oh well.

    BTW, if you're truly interested in setting the record straight, you should take note of the part of my post where I correct your misunderstanding about Deacon's activities pre-Eagles. It's the third and fourth paragraphs. Cover all the rest of my post with your hands if you must, lol, but at least get informed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee View Post
    I haven't contradicted myself. I know the difference between fact and opinion. I haven't made any baseless claims. As I've said, I'm not arguing. I'm not going to explain or defend myself anymore. It'd just be repeating what I've already said.
    I'd prefer to drop this and just agree to disagree because this discussion has become redundant and sort of 'nit-picky'. However, I feel like I have to respond since Arlee has accused me of misrepresenting things, so although there were several instances where I felt Arlee contradicted him/herself and mixed facts and opinions, in the interest of brevity, I'll just cite one example of each that have not already been mentioned by others:

    Arlee’s Post #731

    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee
    If this (current tour) makes all those people happy and it helps them heal, I have a hard time understanding why anyone would be against it. How could I possibly want the people who loved Glenn the most, and who he loved the most, to stop doing this thing they love and is helping them heal? I really don't understand that line of thinking.
    Arlee’s Post #746

    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee
    The live concerts pay due reverence to Glenn. It's a celebration of him, his legacy, and the music. It's emotional and moving. But I understand how some people would feel hurt, seeing them there without Glenn.
    Sorry, but that sure appears to be a contradiction to me.

    Arlee’s Post #731

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    There's no question the guys all loved each other. Even the Baby Eagles seem to love each other like cousins. At least two of them think the world of Azoff. He may be cutthroat at business, but to the Family Eagles he's thought of warmly and regarded as family.
    This is one of the topics that Arlee claimed members had made 'flat-out untrue' statements about. The fact is that none of us here know the band members and what their true relationship was with one another. So there absolutely is a question here, which means anything any of us says about this matter is speculation and opinion rather than fact; therefore, if you disagree with Arlee, it is an opposition opinion, not a false/untrue fact.

    So, let's keep it simple, just remember when posting on this board...

    People are entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arlee
    Yes my account of the concert are exactly what I've said. Also, I've been seeing footage of the same on Youtube so I know it wasn't just at the concerts I've been to.

    Vince or Don talks about Vince's friendship with Glenn. Henley states all of this is dedicated to Glenn and all the other stuff I quoted.He also says these are no replacements since no one can replace him.

    He says these songs are the legacy Glenn has left. Don says that Deacon has had mighty big shoes to fill and that he's "Doing his Poppa proud."

    Yes he's also said that it's not the same band and they're not pretending it is, that it's always been Glenn's band, and that it's a celebration of the songs and what they mean to the fans.

    He says "somebody is missing tonight" and that "we have lost a brother, a father, a friend."

    The same picture of Glenn used at the Grammy tribute is put up on the bigscreen above the band as Deacon is finishing PEF. Sometimes some band members will turn and clap. I've heard that Deacon has turned and mouthed "thank you" at some shows but I was not a first-hand witness to this.

    I didn't say that I saw band members cry. I've seen many audience members do this.

    After the long pause for clapping after PEF, they play Ol 55 which is also very emotional.

    I'm not saying any of this to try to convince or argue. I'm just responding to what you said.
    Thanks for your clarification here.

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