Eagles Song Survivor: Desperado

[Glennsallnighter]

LOL I don't think it was ever going to do too much damage!!

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well, the tribe has spoken and the next song to be eliminated from Desperado Survivor is the resilient Out of Control. “Out of Control”, you tried to fight any one that wanted you, but you have met your final fate. Come on, saddle up, boy, you need to ride into town and leave the island immediately.

Votes
Out of Control –10
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – 7
Desperado – 4
Tequila Sunrise – 1

Vote Breakdown
Out of Control –UK Timfan
Out of Control – EaglesFanatic
Out of Control – whitcap
Out of Control – Shadowland07
Out of Control – AzEaglesFan
Out of Control – Koala
Out of Control – tequila girl
Out of Control – EagleLady
Out of Control – sodascouts
Out of Control – Troubadour
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Glennhoney
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – WalshFan88
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – TimothyBFan
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – WildThyme
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Prettymaid
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – GlennLover
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise - Glennsallnighter
Desperado – Freypower
Desperado – luvthelighthouse
Desperado – Ive always been a dreamer
Desperado - Brooke
Tequila Sunrise – pueblo47

Songs eliminated:
Twenty-One 4/19
Saturday Night 4/21
Certain Kind of Fool 4/23
Outlaw Man 4/25
Doolin-Dalton 4/27
Out of Control 4/29

Songs remaining:
Tequila Sunrise
Desperado
Bitter Creek
Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise


Voting for Round 7 will begin after the following immunity question is answered:

Which Eagle has solo songwriting credits on the songs where he sings lead on this album?


NOTE: You MUST include the song you want to be immune along with your answer for it to be counted.

[whitcap]

Bernie Leadon

Bitter Creek immune

[Ive always been a dreamer]

That is correct.

Bitter Creek is immune.

Voting for Round Seven begin now.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Can I make a suggestion? Rather than take this thread off topic, we already have a thread for folks to make suggestions and give feedback on the Survivor games. It would probably be better if everyone can post any ideas that you would like for us to consider in there. Here is the link:

https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=562&highlight=survivor

[pueblo47]

I for one am glad that BC has survived this long, even though the immunity has protected it. It's a great story song, vastly under-rated, and essential to the theme of this album. The harmony is smooth, Bernie's vocals are perfect for this type of song. Easy listening.

[WalshFan88]

Well since the best song on the album just got voted off I vote

Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise

[Freypower]

Yes, it is a good song. Yes, it is underrated. But I'm afraid that I don't think it is in the top three songs on this album. After the lyrics have finished all the 'ooh ooh' stuff goes on too long. I don't see what is so wonderful about that. However, like it or not it probably will be in the top three.

I vote for Desperado.

[UK TimFan]

Never having had to really listen to the album until Soda announced this Survivor I was confident of what my 'top two' songs would be.
Ha! Boy, was I wrong. There are now at least three songs I would put higher than them, so this time round my vote goes to Tequila sunrise.

[UK TimFan]

Well since the best song on the album just got voted off I vote

Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise

Austin, as one of my 'top two' (Outlaw man - the other rocker :smile:) got voted off some time ago I feel your pain. :hug:
But we both have to remember that those songs are only 'best' to us, however sad it is that others don't share our good taste. :laugh:

[WalshFan88]

Austin, as one of my 'top two' (Outlaw man - the other rocker :smile:) got voted off some time ago I feel your pain. :hug:
But we both have to remember that those songs are only 'best' to us, however sad it is that others don't share our good taste. :laugh:

:rofl: :laugh:

[Glennhoney]

..my vote...Doolin Dalton/Desperado Reprise

[pueblo47]

this time round my vote goes to Tequila sunrise.:armed:jk:-D

[UK TimFan]

so this time round my vote goes to Tequila sunrise.

:armed:jk:grin:

I know you won't shoot me, because I share your excellent taste in songs. (BC) :laugh:

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well - I think most people agree that Bitter Creek is a really good, underrated song. However, I think the same could be said about almost all of the songs on this album. Although I think its theme fits in well on the album, I don't buy the argument that the song is essential to the theme of the album, and I absolutely don't think it belongs among the top three songs on this album. Now, of course, that is just my opinion.

However, I'm betting that this opinion is shared by the majority of people playing this game. Usually, we have come to expect that majority rules when we play a game. Personally, no matter what the strategy is, I think when a song is kept around a lot longer than the majority wishes, it kind of cheapens it. At the very least, it seems to be a hollow victory because most people don't think it's deserving. To most of us, the idea that Bitter Creek is going to finish higher than any of these remaining songs just isn't credible. But, I want to stress that this is strickly my opinion and no one has done anything wrong or broken any rules here.

I would like to urge folks to protect the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise and vote for Desperado. I know it seems crazy to vote for Desperado. But think of voting for the reprise not as a vote against Desperado, but rather a vote for Desperado and Doolin-Dalton. :)

[EagleLady]

Finally! I vote for Doolin Dalton/Desperado Reprise

Persistence pays off ;)

[UK TimFan]

Finally! I vote for Doolin Dalton/Desperado Reprise

Persistence pays off ;)
No, no, EL - we're still voting to eliminate, not to win. :grin:

[WalshFan88]

No, no, EL - we're still voting to eliminate, not to win. :grin:

:rofl:

[EaglesFanatic]

I would like to urge folks to protect the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise and vote for Desperado. I know it seems crazy to vote for Desperado. But think of voting for the reprise not as a vote against Desperado, but rather a vote for Desperado and Doolin-Dalton. :)

I was thinking the same thing, because my two favorite songs on the album are Desperado and Doolin Dalton. I was debating between voting for Tequila Sunrise or Desperado, but I think I'll vote for Desperado. Thanks for convincing me Dreamer ;) lol

[Shadowland07]

hmm...this has gotten a bit hard...but I will vote for...Desperado to be voted off

[tequila girl]

This has gotten to be very hard!

I've just had a listen to the three remaining eligible songs.........
...since Doolin Dalton/Desperado Reprise is one of my favourites on the album, it was a toss-up between Tequila Sunrise & Desperado and that is literally what I did! (tossed a coin)
Tequila Sunrise lost and therefore gets my vote

[Annabel]

Oh dear this is hard, what to do. Missed the last round through watching the Royal Wedding :doh: so will vote now.

Flip (that's the coin toss because I can't decide :hilarious:)

Tequila Sunrise

[Prettymaid]

Ahg! I can't believe my favorite song on the album (Desperado) is not EVERYBODY'S favorite! :hilarious: Yes, I know what I said in another thread about my dislike for Desperado being the last song sung at a show, but as far as this album goes, to me it is by far the best written, best sung song of the bunch. The words are magnificent. Please consider my plea and vote for something else. Thank you. :-)

I vote for Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise.

[MikeA]

I vote we get rid of "Tiptoe Through The Tulips" by Tiny Tim. While I really love the hot ukulele solo, the lyrics seem to be sung sort of lackadaisically. They need to be sung with more falsetto.

[GlennLover]

Very, very difficult choice! I could toss a coin too, but I cast my vote for Doolin' Dalton/desperado Reprise. Just can't bring myself to vote off Desperado. It's such a classic!

[pueblo47]

Here's some trivia from wikipedia that is somewhat interesting:

Bob (Dalton)recruited George "Bitter Creek" Newcomb, Charley Pierce and Blackfaced Charlie Bryant to ride with him and his brother Emmett. Bryant received his nickname because of a gunpowder burn on one cheek. Grat was visiting his brother Bill in California when the gang was formed, but joined it later, as did Bill Doolin, Dick Broadwell, and Bill Power. Their first robbery target was a gambling house in Silver City, New Mexico.

And here's another little piece of trivia to add to the above. Must have overlooked it the first time:

George "Bittercreek" Newcomb (1866-May 2, 1895) was an American outlaw of the American Old West. He was a member, first, of the Dalton Gang but after being called "too Wild" by Bob Dalton, he and Bill Doolin started the Wild Bunch gang.

[GlennLover]

Thanks, Pueb! That's very interesting. I guess that Bitter Creek is more a part of the concept of the album than I realized.

[Wildthyme]

I vote for the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise this round.

[sodascouts]

Very hard decision! While I love all the songs left,

I cast my vote for Desperado.

[Koala]

I cast my vote for Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise

[timfan]

I cast my vote for Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise

[Ive always been a dreamer]

I was thinking the same thing, because my two favorite songs on the album are Desperado and Doolin Dalton. I was debating between voting for Tequila Sunrise or Desperado, but I think I'll vote for Desperado. Thanks for convincing me Dreamer ;) lol

You are very welcome, EF. Glad I could help. :wink: Too bad things aren't looking very promising for us this round. Oh well, too many good songs to choose from I guess.


I guess that Bitter Creek is more a part of the concept of the album than I realized.

Not only that GL - but here's another cool tidbit. The only detail I can ever really remember about "Bitter Creek" Newcomb is that he was the lover of the lovely Rose of Cimarron of Poco fame. :nod: I always thought it was too bad the Eagles didn't write that one too and put it on this album. That would have been too cool, IMHO. :grin:

[GlennLover]

[Not only that GL - but here's another cool tidbit. The only detail I can ever really remember about "Bitter Creek" Newcomb is that he was the lover of the lovely Rose of Cimarron of Poco fame. :nod: I always thought it was too bad the Eagles didn't write that one too and put it on this album. That would have been too cool, IMHO. :grin:[/quote]

That is cool, Dreamer! Thanks.

[pueblo47]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise(it pains me to do so, no one can sing this like Frey)

[whitcap]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise

[Annabel]

I second that motion, Mike:hilarious:

And to all of you voting off Desperado, Reprise and Tequila Sunrise:armed:(jk)

You were saying Judy :shrug:


I vote for Tequila Sunrise(it pains me to do so, no one can sing this like Frey)

:laugh:

[Annabel]

:bye: Next round. :woah: :shrug: here either.

[tequila girl]

Well, I think we should all go with Mike's "Tiptoe through the tulips" that was truly Horrendous!!!!

[whitcap]

Here's some trivia from wikipedia that is somewhat interesting:

Bob (Dalton)recruited George "Bitter Creek" Newcomb, Charley Pierce and Blackfaced Charlie Bryant to ride with him and his brother Emmett. Bryant received his nickname because of a gunpowder burn on one cheek. Grat was visiting his brother Bill in California when the gang was formed, but joined it later, as did Bill Doolin, Dick Broadwell, and Bill Power. Their first robbery target was a gambling house in Silver City, New Mexico.

And here's another little piece of trivia to add to the above. Must have overlooked it the first time:

George "Bittercreek" Newcomb (1866-May 2, 1895) was an American outlaw of the American Old West. He was a member, first, of the Dalton Gang but after being called "too Wild" by Bob Dalton, he and Bill Doolin started the Wild Bunch gang.

The Wild Bunch gang was also known as the Doolin-Dalton Gang. This gang formed when Bill Doolin and Bitter Creek Newcomb were dismissed from the Dalton Gang. Bill Dalton joined the Wild Bunch after two of his brothers were killed in Coffeyville and they started calling themselves the Doolin-Dalton gang (Bill Dalton was never a member of the Dalton gang that met its demise in Coffeyville. He was a lawyer before becoming an outlaw.)

[tequila girl]

W0w....lovin the trivia on the Doolin-Dalton's and didn't realise "Rose" of Cimarron was a real person....Thanks for all your input!!:hug:

[pueblo47]

Its only still here because some keeps making it immune but even if it lasts until the end, once it can't be protected by immunity I predict it will be bye bye Bitter Creek...Your prediction is spot on and shortly BC will be gone, leaving the field to the top two.

I've been re-reading every post from the beginning of this game. Very enlightening how opinions have evolved throughout it. Sheds new insights on the various players in here and how they think about the songs and meanings. Just sayin'.......

[tequila girl]

I think..........depending on what is the final two (if Bitter Creek is still there) it might very well have a chance of winning.....who know's??

[UK TimFan]

I think..........depending on what is the final two (if Bitter Creek is still there) it might very well have a chance of winning.....who know's??
Oooh - does that mean you're a closet BC fan?
If so, I congratulate your on your excellent taste :smile:, and you're more than welcome to join the not-so-closet :grin: BC fans in supporting it in the next round. (Though sadly, I think we'll be fighting a rearguard action, after which it'll be :weep: :weep: and more :weep: for me at least, as I just totally adore that song. :inlove:)

[Glennhoney]

oh no no no...PLEASE save TEQUILA SUNRISE..:woah:

[Glennsallnighter]

Well I think it'd be a travesty to vote off TS at this stage certainly. I've held off my vote today to see how the main competition ti TS is doing but there seems to have been more discussion than voting the last day or so. Not that I have any problem with discussion. It adds to the richness. Of the thread and the game. To me its down to voting off either the Reprise or Desperado. I love both. But I think IMHO Desperado should be saved. I love the lyrics and it is one of the old reliable dependables in both band and solo gigs. So for that reason I vote this round to eliminate the Doolin Dalton, Desperado reprise.

[Freypower]

Well I think it'd be a travesty to vote off TS at this stage certainly. I've held off my vote today to see how the main competition ti TS is doing but there seems to have been more discussion than voting the last day or so. Not that I have any problem with discussion. It adds to the richness. Of the thread and the game. To me its down to voting off either the Reprise or Desperado. I love both. But I think IMHO Desperado should be saved. I love the lyrics and it is one of the old reliable dependables in both band and solo gigs. So for that reason I vote this round to eliminate the Doolin Dalton, Desperado reprise.

Agreed.

There seems no point in saying any more than that.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Yep - well it looks like my call to save my favorite song is gonna be a resounding failure, so there's no need to vote for it. :wink: I guess I need to try to save my next favorite now. So if you remaining voters want to save Tequila Sunrise, join with others and vote for the reprise. Ouch - that hurt to type that!!! :lol:

I cast my vote for Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise.

[Brooke]

As it looks like DD/DR is going down anyway, I cast my vote for Desperado. Ouch, that really hurt. :sad:

It really hurts to vote for any of the remaining except BC.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well, the tribe has rendered their verdict once again and the next song to be eliminated from Desperado Survivor is the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise. “Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise” all those blood-thirty bystanders have sealed your fate. But sooner or later, we all have to die. Now, please leave the island immediately.


Votes
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – 10
Desperado – 5
Tequila Sunrise – 5

Vote Breakdown
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – WalshFan88
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Glennhoney
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – EagleLady
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Prettymaid
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – GlennLover
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – WildThyme
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Koala
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – timfan
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Glennsallnighter
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Ive always been a dreamer
Desperado – Freypower
Desperado – EaglesFanatic
Desperado – Shadowland07
Desperado – sodascouts
Desperado – Brooke
Tequila Sunrise – UK Timfan
Tequila Sunrise – tequila girl
Tequila Sunrise – Annabel
Tequila Sunrise – pueblo47
Tequila Sunrise – whitcap

Songs eliminated:
Twenty-One 4/19
Saturday Night 4/21
Certain Kind of Fool 4/23
Outlaw Man 4/25
Doolin-Dalton 4/27
Out of Control 4/29
Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise 5/01

Songs remaining:
Tequila Sunrise
Desperado
Bitter Creek


Well … we’re down to the last three – it is each song for itself now. There are no more immunity questions.

Voting for Round Eight begins now.

[UK TimFan]

I know I'm going to get flak for this, but sorry, I'm voting for Tequila sunrise to be eliminated.

I don't expect anyone else to vote off their favourite song, so please don't expect me to vote off mine. :smile:

[pueblo47]

My vote is for Tequila Sunrise.

[WalshFan88]

I vote Desperado to be eliminated.

[pueblo47]

I vote Desperado to be eliminated.:enraged:grrrrrr(JK)

[WalshFan88]

:enraged:grrrrrr(JK)

I prefer Tequila Sunrise......sorry! :hilarious:

[UK TimFan]

:enraged:grrrrrr(JK)
Now, now, pueblo, be reasonable, and play nicely. Austin's got to vote for one of the songs.
(And currently we still out-number him 2 to 1! :laugh: )

[WalshFan88]

Now, now, pueblo, be reasonable, and play nicely. Austin's got to vote for one of the songs.
(And currently we still out-number him 2 to 1! :laugh: )

:hilarious:

[Glennhoney]

..sorry but Bitter Creek has to go.........that's my vote

[AzEaglesFan]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise.

[whitcap]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise

[Freypower]

I suppose I have waited long enough to comment.

I cannot believe at this stage of the game that I should be urging people to save BOTH Tequila Sunrise & Desperado, both of which I thought were two of the band's best loved songs. I make no secret of the fact that my own preference is for Tequila Sunrise. I don't care if the band doesn't play it. It is a beautiful song. It is beautifully sung, believe it or not.

I have seen precisely no arguments from the people who are voting for Tequila Sunrise why they think it should go. Not one.

To the people who have not yet voted, who I would still hope would be the majority, think about what you are doing here.

SAVE TEQUILA SUNRISE & DESPERADO. VOTE FOR BITTER CREEK. Which is what I am doing (Voting for Bitter Creek).

[Wildthyme]

I am with you on this one FP... I vote for Bitter Creek to be eliminated this round.

[luvthelighthouse]

I missed last round due to a busy weekend... not that my vote would have mattered.

I will say, I am shocked at the votes for TS OVER Bittercreek! As has been mentioned, if not for the immunity, it probably wouldn't have lasted this long. Now that it can be voted for, it's not... :headscratch:

Tequila Sunrise is probably the most uplifting of the three remaining songs. It has a beautiful melody and smooth vocals. Those opening notes grab me and suck me into the song.

[UK TimFan]

I have seen precisely no arguments from the people who are voting for Tequila Sunrise why they think it should go. Not one.

Why should people have to argue their case why they are voting for a song to go? Surprise, or even total astonishment :grin:, that someone is voting for a song you think should stay doesn't mean that those people should have to argue their reasons for voting as they did.
Obviously people are going to vote to eliminate their least favourite of the three remaining songs, whichever one that is.
If people are voting for Tequila sunrise to go then the inference is that they like Desperado and Bitter creek better.
The fact that you've voted for Bitter creek means that you like Desperado and Tequila sunrise better.
It's as simple as that.

I would repeat what I said when I voted in this round


I don't expect anyone else to vote off their favourite song, so please don't expect me to vote off mine. :smile:

[Freypower]

Why should people have to argue their case why they are voting for a song to go? Surprise, or even total astonishment :grin:, that someone is voting for a song you think should stay doesn't mean that those people should have to argue their reasons for voting as they did.
Obviously people are going to vote to eliminate their least favourite of the three remaining songs, whichever one that is.
If people are voting for Tequila sunrise to go then the inference is that they like Desperado and Bitter creek better.
The fact that you've voted for Bitter creek means that you like Desperado and Tequila sunrise better.
It's as simple as that.

I would repeat what I said when I voted in this round

I see nothing wrong with wondering why some people have particular preferences, particularly in a case like this when it appears to be so out of the ordinary. Also, I said I had seen no arguments against Tequila Sunrise. I didn't say there HAD to be arguments.

I have said virtually nothing during this game until now except to express a couple of opinions about some songs myself. This, by the way, included some kind words about Bitter Creek & approval of it being made immune for the first round.

I think just as you have the right to wish to get rid of Tequila Sunrise I have the right to urge others who haven't voted yet to consider their vote.

[EaglesKiwi]

I vote for Bitter Creek to be eliminated this round. Tequila Sunrise and Desperado are two of my favourite Eagles songs.

[tequila girl]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise

[Prettymaid]

This is a no-brainer for me.

I vote for Bitter Creek.

[UK TimFan]

I see nothing wrong with wondering why some people have particular preferences, particularly in a case like this when it appears to be so out of the ordinary. Also, I said I had seen no arguments against Tequila Sunrise. I didn't say there HAD to be arguments.
No, but (IMO) the implication was that the people who were voting for Tequila Sunrise should be arguing (=saying why) they were voting that way.


I have said virtually nothing during this game until now except to express a couple of opinions about some songs myself. This, by the way, included some kind words about Bitter Creek & approval of it being made immune for the first round.
I think quite a few people would have agreed with those words and approval.

I very rarely comment in any Survivor game as
(a) I'm useless at analysing the songs to the depth that some people can,
(b) mostly I hate to reveal anything about my favourite songs as I find that usually they're the first to be voted off :smile: and
(c) though I might wonder at someone's dubious taste in liking a particular song :grin:, they are entitled to have their opinion.



I think just as you have the right to wish to get rid of Tequila Sunrise I have the right to urge others who haven't voted yet to consider their vote.
That has never been in dispute.

All I have previously said is

Obviously people are going to vote to eliminate their least favourite of the three remaining songs, whichever one that is. and

I don't expect anyone else to vote off their favourite song, so please don't expect me to vote off mine.

[TimothyBFan]

Not much difference, lol.....no offense meant to any of our members who might be a lawyer or an outlaw.(JK)

:hilarious: This gave me a chuckle.

FP--I agree with all you said this round!! Very well put.

I'm sorry I missed the past round, was very sick all weekend and never even made it upright yesterday. I couldn't believe it this morning when I brought up this thread and realized BC had actually been made immune once again last round. I, in no way, think that that song should of made it to the final 3. Unless I'm really missing something, it seems there are only a few people on the board that truly believe it should still be around, but yet, here it is. I don't quite know what to make of that. :headshake:

I vote for Bitter Creek.

[EaglesFanatic]

At this point in the game, it's hard for me to vote off Desperado, because it's one of my favorites on the album. I also don't want to vote off Bitter Creek just yet. It's such a unique song, and it doesn't sound like any of their other songs. Don't get me wrong, I loooooove Tequila Sunrise, but it sounds similar to Peaceful Easy Feeling and Lyin' Eyes. That being said, I vote for Tequila Sunrise.

[luvthelighthouse]

TS and BC have tie votes right now. Something in the universe does not seem right... this is just strange. TS hardly had any votes all game... and now, out of the blue it's even w/the song that people have been complaining about for rounds? I'm so confused!

AND... Desperado, which has received previous votes only has 1 little vote against it this round. Okay, who spiked the punch and drugged everyone?

[MikeA]

I think the GREAT thing this round of Survivor has done is bring to light the somewhat unacknowledged brilliance of the album "Desperado". And that truly is a GOOD THING. There are some wonderful cuts on that Album and it is no surprise to me that there is such controversy over the merits of various songs on the album.

I think this has cause some folks to "take another look" at that early work of the Eagles.

[GlennLover]

I cast my vote for Bitter Creek. Please save Tequila Sunrise!!!

[sodascouts]

In case anyone wants a reminder of its awesomeness....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4f171PG5e0

aaaaaaaaah, that was nice.

SAVE TEQUILA SUNRISE. VOTE BITTER CREEK!

[luvthelighthouse]

Visual effects! Nice touch Soda! I hear the opening notes of that song and I want to crack open a nice cold beer and sit outside in the summer night air...

I vote for Bittercreek!

[sodascouts]

And just to make it official on my end....

I cast my vote for Bitter Creek!

That felt good. ;)

[MikeA]

I wonder which of the two main characters the Eagles were thinking of when they came up with Tequila Sunrise and Bitter Creek? Both songs are saying about the same thing. Destroyed dreams. Despair. In "Tequila Sunrise" whomever it is about, they've already given up and are getting by one drink at a time. In Bitter Creek, the character isn't much better though he's holding out for one last attempt to break out of that desperation though he's misguided in how to go about it.

Not much uplifting about either of those two songs...nor for "Desperado" either as far as that goes <LOL>.

Wonder if that's how Osama bin Laden felt? Wonder if someday some Rock Group will write songs about him and his gang? Hope Not.


"Tequila Sunrise"

It's another tequila sunrise
Starin' slowly 'cross the sky, said goodbye
He was just a hired hand
Workin' on the dreams he planned to try
The days go by

Ev'ry night when the sun goes down
Just another lonely boy in town
And she's out runnin' 'round

She wasn't just another woman
And I couldn't keep from comin' on
It's been so long
Oh, and it's a hollow feelin' when
It comes down to dealin' friends
It never ends

Take another shot of courage
Wonder why the right words never come
You just get numb
It's another tequila sunrise,this old world
still looks the same,
Another frame, mm...


"Bitter Creek"

Once I was young and so unsure
I'd try any ill to find the cure
An old man told me
Tryin' to scold me
"Oh, son, don't wade to deep in Bitter Creek,"
(Bitter Creek)
Out where the desert meets the sky
Is where I go when I wanna hide

Oh, peyote (oh,peyote,mm)
She tried to show me
(tried to show me)
You know there ain't no cause to weep
at Bitter Creek
(Bitter Creek)
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo
Doo, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo

We're gonna hit the road for one last time
We can walk right in and steal 'em blind
All that money (All that money,ooh..)
No more runnin' (No more runnin')
I can't wait to see the old man's face
When I win the race
(Bitter Creek)
Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo,
Doo doo doo doo doo
Doo.........

[luvthelighthouse]

At least the music to TS is uplifting! To me, it's more cyclical... "the days go by"... while it's always the same, there is the possiblity of change.

Bittercreek... it's just a sad ending... no way out...

[MikeA]

Okay, neither one of these songs contains "uplifting" lyrics. BC was about a guy who suspected that he was at the end of his trip and was contemplating going out with a BANG. The music is harsher and that matched the attitude of the member of the gang for whom the song was written.

TS did have a softer more flowing composition to the music. It matched the mood of the gang member who had already given up and was drinking himself into oblivion. He just wants to get numb.

Neither one of those songs can be thought of as "uplifting" though I'll readily admit that the musical score to TS is more soothing to the ear. Both musical scores fit the story of the characters very well indeed.

"Desperado" is only marginally better. AT least in it, there is some hope built into the lyrics:

Come down from your fences, open the gate
It may be rainin', but there's a rainbow above you
You better let somebody love you, before it's too late

The implication in that lyric is that there WAS a chance for whomever that was written. While it might not seem that "Desperado" melds in very well with the rest of the songs on the album...those mostly about the wild things the gang was romanticized for doing and the despair and dejection presented by the other songs...."Desperado" did state another Truth about the Old West.

In the late 1800's, a man going west into an unknown area was accepted as being who he said he was. If he was hard working and honest in his dealings with those in the area, he was accepted for that and he wasn't questioned about what he'd left behind.

With that in mind, any one of the Doolin-Dalton Gang could have picked up and moved into some area of the country out west and taken another name and started over as honest hardworking citizens and no one would have turned their backs on them.

[timfan]

No question for me here... I vote to eliminate Bitter Creek.

[BBKron]

Hey, I'm new here, but happy to get in on this survey, as I think Desperado is by far the Eagle's greatest achievement, and one of the greatest albums of all time. I love all the songs on the album, but the best 2 songs are Desperado and Bitter Creek, so I vote to eliminate Tequila Sunrise, another great song, but not quite up to the magnificence of Bitter Creek, easily the Eagles most underrated song, and the ultimate master, Desperado.

[rcknalwys]

First time voting in this thread. My vote goes to eliminate Bitter Creek. Sorry to all of you who feel differently but TS is one of my all time favs so can't possibly vote it off.

[sodascouts]

Welcome, BBKron! I'm afraid that we can't count your vote towards the total because you are a brand-new member and you have to be a member in good standing for at least two weeks to play, but thanks for sharing your thoughts! Stick around and you can get in on the next game. :)

[Freypower]

TS and BC have tie votes right now. Something in the universe does not seem right... this is just strange. TS hardly had any votes all game... and now, out of the blue it's even w/the song that people have been complaining about for rounds? I'm so confused!

AND... Desperado, which has received previous votes only has 1 little vote against it this round. Okay, who spiked the punch and drugged everyone?

I would have voted for Desperado if Bitter Creek had not made the final three. As I think that result is wrong, I could not vote to push BC into the last two. Also, although I am no longer a great fan of the original version of Desperado, it is a classic song. I cannot say that about Bitter Creek, even though I like the song a lot.

As there are only three songs left, this is where the votes against TS come out. People didn't vote for it before because they didn't have to, I suppose. :weep:

[Maleah]

My vote goes to eliminate Bitter Creek

[Glennsallnighter]

To me there is no argument here. I vote to eliminate Bitter Creek also. Its a good song but IMHO nowhere near the brilliance of either TS or Desperado. After all which songs have been part of the set lists of many Eagles concerts up to the present. While I know TS has been dropped from the LROOE setlist a lot of fans were surprised at the exclusion (and not happy). Desperado is a feature of every gig. Both of these songs still get airplay and come to mind (As well as TIE and HC) when people generally think of the Eagles. I don't somehow think that BC does!

Bitter Creek has had a good run here but I think its time for the clash of the titans!!
JMHO!!

[Brooke]

If I had to vote for BC for it to go down, I would, but it looks like it's going down without my help, finally. So, don't anyone think I would rather see it in the final two over Desperado or Tequila Sunrise. Those are Eagles classics and well loved staples and are deserving to be in the final two. Being the first two songs that Glenn and Don wrote together (probably on a Wednesday Glenn says in the HFO dvd!) and that they've both been in their setlists for years says a lot. Why TS has been dropped I just can't imagine. :sad:

But, since I can, I cast my vote for Desperado. I do love it, but have tired of it over the past year or two, and now I love Tequila Sunrise more. I love hearing it come on the radio.

[Prettymaid]

Visual effects! Nice touch Soda! I hear the opening notes of that song and I want to crack open a nice cold beer and sit outside in the summer night air...

A beer??? You're supposed to sip on a Tequila Sunrise! :cheers: :wink:

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well crap, PM - I guess I'm in trouble too cause I don't like tequila. I'd like to substitute a glass of wine, please.

But, while I may not like tequila, I do love the song that celebrates it's ingestion. :lol: I started to vote strategically like Brooke but realized it wouldn't really be much use. So I guess my vote will come as no surprise ...

I vote for Bitter Creek.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well, the tribe has spoken and with no immunity left for protection, the next song to be eliminated from Desperado Survivor is Bitter Creek. “Bitter Creek”, you aren’t going to win this race, but still there’s no cause to weep. Now, you must hit the road one last time and please leave the island immediately.

Votes
Bitter Creek – 14
Tequila Sunrise – 6
Desperado – 2

Vote Breakdown
Bitter Creek – Glennhoney
Bitter Creek – Freypower
Bitter Creek – WildThyme
Bitter Creek – EaglesKiwi
Bitter Creek – Prettymaid
Bitter Creek – TimothyBFan
Bitter Creek – GlennLover
Bitter Creek – luvthelighthouse
Bitter Creek – sodascouts
Bitter Creek – timfan
Bitter Creek – rcknalwys
Bitter Creek – Maleah
Bitter Creek – Glennsallnighter
Bitter Creek – Ive always been a dreamer
Tequila Sunrise – UK Timfan
Tequila Sunrise – pueblo47
Tequila Sunrise – AzEaglesFan
Tequila Sunrise – whitcap
Tequila Sunrise – tequila girl
Tequila Sunrise – EaglesFanatic
Desperado – WalshFan88
Desperado – Brooke

Songs eliminated:
Twenty-One 4/19
Saturday Night 4/21
Certain Kind of Fool 4/23
Outlaw Man 4/25
Doolin-Dalton 4/27
Out of Control 4/29
Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise 5/01
Bitter Creek 5/03

Songs remaining:
Tequila Sunrise
Desperado

We’re at the last round. This round is special, so it’s done differently. We’re not going to vote for the song we want to go. We're going to vote for the song we want to win. This is how they do it on the real show, after all.

Once again ...

VOTE FOR THE SONG YOU WANT TO WIN.


Voting for the final round begins now.

[UK TimFan]

I vote for Desperado to win.

[timfan]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise for the WIN!!!!

[Freypower]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise to win.

[EagleLady]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise for the win

[WalshFan88]

Tequila Sunrise for the win.

[Glennhoney]

...definately TEQUILA SUNRISE for the win.............that's my vote...:thumbsup:

[whitcap]

Desperado for the win!

[EaglesFanatic]

I vote for Desperado to win!! :thumbsup:

[Prettymaid]

For me, Tequila Sunrise is a beautiful song but just not as clever lyrically as Desperado. I know many of you disagree, but not only does Desperado have a better lyric, it's melody is prettier than TS. Again, just stating my opinion.

I vote for Desperado for the win!

[Brooke]

I vote for Tequila Sunrise for the win!

I do love both songs, but Tequila Sunrise the most!

[Ive always been a dreamer]

OMG - This is truly going to be one of the hardest decisions I've had to make in the entire history of these Survivor games. These are the first two songs Don and Glenn ever wrote together, and both of them are amazing songs. It was the beginning of an incredible songwriting team, that's for sure. Both songs are incredibly beautiful musically, vocally, and lyrically, but neither really feature the harmonies that the band would eventually become so well known for. Unlike PM, I like the melody of Tequila Sunrise a little better, which probably is the only explanation for why I like the song a little bit better by just a teeny weeny bit. I hardly ever get tired of listening to Eagles songs, but honestly I am a little bit tired of Desperado. I usually vote based on what I think is the best song rather than what is my favorite song, but I think they are tied.

In the last round, I was tempted to vote strategically so that both songs would have the same number of previous votes, and therefore, if this round ended in a tie, the game would have as well. But then, I decided against it since I personally don't usually like ties. In this case, it may very well be very deserving though. When we played the first Survivor game, I cast the deciding vote for Desperado because I felt the album's classic namesake just deserved to win the game.

So I guess this time I'm leaning toward Tequila Sunrise, but I definitely need to give this some more thought and see what arguments others have to make for or against each song. I've got a feeling this is going to be really close. :brickwall: :brickwall: :brickwall:

[sodascouts]

well, it's an easy decision for me. Desperado is beautiful, but it can get a bit overplayed. I never tire of listening to TS.

I vote for

TEQUILA SUNRISE

FOR THE WIN!!!!

[GlennLover]

I think it's going to be my hardest decision too! :brickwall: :hmm: :confused: :sigh:

[Freypower]

In Desperado the outlaw still has hope of a better future, he's at the crossroad, which way to turn, the decision is his.

In Tequila Sunrise, he made the decision, it was the wrong one for him so he's going to drink his life away, no future, no hope, nada. A fitting end to the outlaw-themed album.

I'm not voting yet, just stating the obvious.

I don't think it's 'obvious'. With respect, I think you are taking the scenario of TS too literally. He is having a quiet drink & reflecting on the way things have gone; I don't think the song is literally saying that he's going to do nothing else in his life but drink. I don't think he's 'made the decision' at all.

And it isn't the 'end' of the album, is it? It is the fourth track. Like Saturday Night, it is a moment of reflection.

I don't think because it says 'this old world still looks the same/another frame' that means 'no future, no hope, nada'. We all feel that way from time to time & yet we keep going.

He is going to 'take another shot of courage', after all, even if that line is not at the end of the song.

And in Desperado the narrator is offering hope; but does the protagonist TAKE it? DOES he 'let somebody love him before it's too late'? We don't know. It is all left unspoken.

I'm sorry, but I'm well aware that a lot of people automatically think Desperado is a better song. I am just offering an alternative view.

[AzEaglesFan]

It's another tequila sunrise
Starin' slowly 'cross the sky, said goodbye
He was just a hired hand
Workin' on the dreams he planned to try
The days go by

Ev'ry night when the sun goes down
Just another lonely boy in town
And she's out runnin' 'round

She wasn't just another woman
And I couldn't keep from comin' on
It's been so long
Oh, and it's a hollow feelin' when
It comes down to dealin' friends
It never ends

Take another shot of courage
Wonder why the right words never come
You just get numb
It's another tequila sunrise,this old world
still looks the same,
Another frame, mm...

[luvthelighthouse]

Easiest vote for me all game!

I vote for Tequila Sunrise for the Win!!!

As I've said many, many times before, Desperado has never done it for me. It's not a bad song, but it's not my kind of song. It's just too freaking depressing and yes, the music guides that. I think the part where he says, "the sky won't snow and the sun won't shine", remind me of the ever long midwest depressing winters.

I don't care what the lyrics suggest, Tequila Sunrise is a song that makes me smile! I love the melody, those opening guitars, that southwest vibe. :)

While this is a theme album, I think Tequila Sunrise stands alone, it doesn't need the rest of the album. Also, I do NOT get the outlaw feeling from this song at all... I get more of a drifter who is a dreamer and can't find a way to make his dreams reality. The lines, "she wasn't just another woman" and "it's a hollow feeling, when it comes down to dealin' friends, it never ends" ... I always took that to mean he slept w/his buddy's wife, who was often unfaithful "she's out runnin' 'round". The hollow feeling is the guilt he feels. Maybe the "shot or courage" is to either keep sleeping w/her, or the courage to tell his buddy, but instead, he drinks until he is numb and lets the guilt or idea of telling fade away.

All that said, Glenn's sexy vocals sell the song... and I bought it... hook, line and sinker... While it's not on the album... that extra verse... oh my...

[Koala]

Love both songs but I vote for Tequila Sunrise for the win!

[Wildthyme]

While I love both of these songs and will be happy no matter which one is victorious, in this round of survivor I am voting for Tequila Sunrise for the win!

[tequila girl]

My vote is for Desperado to win

[Annabel]

Desperado to win.

[TimothyBFan]

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As I've said many, many times before, Desperado has never done it for me. It's not a bad song, but it's not my kind of song. It's just too freaking depressing and yes, the music guides that. I think the part where he says, "the sky won't snow and the sun won't shine", remind me of the ever long midwest depressing winters.



:idea: Well now, that explains why I've never really liked the song! :wink:

Tequila Sunrise for the win in this, the most bizarre game of Survivor, I've ever played!

[UK TimFan]

in this, the most bizarre game of Survivor, I've ever played!
It's been bizarre for me on a personal note. Two songs that I previously thought favourites have now been relegated to numbers 5 and 6 in order of preference.
I still have no idea how that's happened. :headscratch: And it was a slow process, as first they were overtaken by one song; then another; then another, and then a fourth, the more I listened to the album.

[Brooke]

All that said, Glenn's sexy vocals sell the song... and I bought it... hook, line and sinker... While it's not on the album... that extra verse... oh my...

I think that's what has made me like it better now, too. Glenn's voice on it is just so .......................:thud: He sounds so young! :heart:


the most bizarre game of Survivor, I've ever played!

I agree with that! It has been interesting, hasn't it?! :crazy:

[MikeA]

First, COMPLIMENTS to everyone on all of the discussion that this thread has generated....it has been very "entertaining" and also, very "informative". There are angles on the perception of this Album that have come out of this discussion that I've not considered before.

I can't say that I am in any way "surprised" at the end results of this game. No surprise at all as to what the final three tracks ended up being. However, I AM surprised at the "way" they made it to the Top Three.

Surprised at the "bitterness" of voting against "Bitter Creek" <LOL>. But regardless as to how it got there, I really think it strongly deserved to be listed as one of the Top Three on the Album. Musically, it certainly did. Maybe if it had been sung by one of the other guys it would have been more popular.

As for the Final Two.....Great choices. Without any doubt, these are the two that have retained mass popularity over the years and Desperado is the only one to remain in the Set Lists. That does sort of shock me.

From my years playing "Praise and Worship", there were rules to follow. You NEVER select a slow song before the service NOR do you select one that leaves the congregation in a "down" mood at the end of the service. You always selected a really upbeat "cheery" song to proceed the sermon and to send the congregation back home with (after all, you want them to come back!)

"Desperado" is about as slow and introspective of any of the songs the Eagles have ever done. It does leave the "congregation" in a less than kick-ass and take names frame of mind but I can see why they always end their concerts with it.

(1) It really spotlights Don Henley's vocals. And they deserve to be highlighted.
(2) It drives home to those attending the concert (if they can get past the beautiful vocal presentation of Henley!) that no matter how distraught they might be, no matter how bad life is, no matter what they have done to get in the position they are in....they can always stop, turn around and start life all over.

It's chronological sequence on the album is perfect in the story line. And, I guess that is why I'm a bit surprised that it has been chosen to end their concerts.

"Tequila Sunrise"....yep, it is a pretty song and it is performed by the crooner of the group (Frey). Great performance and great vocals. Obviously, my "interpretation" of the lyrics is not the popular one and that's just fine. The song stands on its musical merit regardless of how the meaning is taken.

Good Choices for the Final Two folks! I'd have had "Bitter Creek" for the win, but then, I've never been one generally "goes with the flow". Maybe that is part of why I liked "Desperado" from the day it was released.

[Freypower]

(1) It really spotlights Don Henley's vocals. And they deserve to be highlighted.
(2) It drives home to those attending the concert (if they can get past the beautiful vocal presentation of Henley!) that no matter how distraught they might be, no matter how bad life is, no matter what they have done to get in the position they are in....they can always stop, turn around and start life all over.


"Tequila Sunrise"....yep, it is a pretty song and it is performed by the crooner of the group (Frey). Great performance and great vocals. Obviously, my "interpretation" of the lyrics is not the popular one and that's just fine. The song stands on its musical merit regardless of how the meaning is taken.



In my opinion by the time they get to Desperado Henley's vocals have already been given the spotlight on numerous occasions. What they should be doing at the end of the show is spotlight the entire band.

I must disagree with your description of Glenn as the 'crooner'; especially given a couple of his other lead vocals on this album. I think he's better than that. So he mainly sings slow songs in their shows now; we still have the records.

[MikeA]

In my opinion by the time they get to Desperado Henley's vocals have already been given the spotlight on numerous occasions. What they should be doing at the end of the show is spotlight the entire band.

I must disagree with your description of Glenn as the 'crooner'; especially given a couple of his other lead vocals on this album. I think he's better than that. So he mainly sings slow songs in their shows now; we still have the records.

That was not meant to be a derogatory comment, FP. None of the other Eagles has that smoothness of voice that Frey has. It wouldn't sound right sung by someone with smoke and gravel in their tone.

[pueblo47]

My vote goes to TEQUILA SUNRISE for the win.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

First of all, I want to preface my remarks to emphasize that I, in no way, mean this in any derogatory way to Bernie or the song Bitter Creek. I love Bernie and I love his early contributions to this band and I think Bitter Creek is a very good song among many other very good songs on this album.

But, in all honesty, I find the solidarity around this song in this game to be very odd. No matter how much a few people here may love it, I don’t believe that it’s popularity in this game is indicative of the mainstream opinion. I really think you would be hard pressed to find Bitter Creek finish as high as third in just about any mainstream poll or survey of this album. The small number of fans playing this game is hardly representative of the entire Eagles fandom, but even it’s final placement in this game is contrived by the fact that it was protected by immunity the entire game.

I started not to comment because I really don’t like for it to sound like I'm bashing a song that I like a lot, but honestly there is nothing that has been said in this thread that’s convinced me that this is a great song. Oddly enough, the more attempts there are to argue it’s merits, the less I’m persuaded because it just strikes me as trying too hard to convince me that something is a masterpiece when I don’t think it is. I don’t really know how to take the comment that the song may have been more popular if it had been sung by one of the other guys. I guess one could just as easily suggest that the song wouldn’t have been as popular in this game if it weren’t sung by Bernie. I can only speak for myself and just say that I would almost never form my opinion about how good I think a song is based solely on who sings lead. As I’ve said many times, when I vote in these games I try to put all the songs through my “best” test to force myself to try to be as objective as I can. Of course, nothing can make us totally objective, nor do I think we should be that way. The main criteria I consider are lyrics, music, vocals, harmonies, melody, and arrangement. So yes, vocals are a component, but it is very doubtful that I would judge Bitter Creek any higher with another vocalist. That’s because the vocals aren’t where I have my problem with the song. For me, the music, melody, and lack of energy are what keeps the song from being a standout. Now, I can’t speak to the technical aspects of the music since I am totally ignorant when it gets to that. I just know what my ears tell me. As far as the lack of energy in the song, maybe that does have something to do with the laid back vocal delivery style, but I don't think another vocalist would have made a significant difference. Maybe a livelier arrangement would have taken the song to a higher level for me – it’s hard to say. But in any event, I truly do like the song a lot, and I hate coming across as dissing it when I’m really not. It’s just that I don’t think it has all the components that a truly great song should have. Now that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. :grin:

[AzEaglesFan]

I'll vote for Tequila Sunrise. Love Glenn's voice on this song.

[EaglesKiwi]

I love Tequila Sunrise (especially love the comments on it in the "Conversations with Don Henley & Glenn Frey" booklet with The Complete Greatest Hits!!), it's soothing, has a beautiful melody and Glenn's vocals are gorgeous.

As for Desperado:

It drives home to those attending the concert (if they can get past the beautiful vocal presentation of Henley!) that no matter how distraught they might be, no matter how bad life is, no matter what they have done to get in the position they are in....they can always stop, turn around and start life all over.


Mike, you've hit the nail on the head, and I think that whenever I hear it. And for that reason Desperado will always have a special meaning for me.

I'm voting Desperado for the win!

[Glennsallnighter]

First of all, I want to preface my remarks to emphasize that I, in no way, mean this in any derogatory way to Bernie or the song Bitter Creek. I love Bernie and I love his early contributions to this band and I think Bitter Creek is a very good song among many other very good songs on this album.

But, in all honesty, I find the solidarity around this song in this game to be very odd. No matter how much a few people here may love it, I don’t believe that it’s popularity in this game is indicative of the mainstream opinion. I really think you would be hard pressed to find Bitter Creek finish as high as third in just about any mainstream poll or survey of this album. The small number of fans playing this game is hardly representative of the entire Eagles fandom, but even it’s final placement in this game is contrived by the fact that it was protected by immunity the entire game.

I started not to comment because I really don’t like for it to sound like I'm bashing a song that I like a lot, but honestly there is nothing that has been said in this thread that’s convinced me that this is a great song. Oddly enough, the more attempts there are to argue it’s merits, the less I’m persuaded because it just strikes me as trying too hard to convince me that something is a masterpiece when I don’t think it is. I don’t really know how to take the comment that the song may have been more popular if it had been sung by one of the other guys. I guess you just as easily suggest that the song wouldn’t have been as popular in this game if it weren’t sung by Bernie. I can only speak for myself and just say that I would almost never form my opinion about how good I think a song is based solely on who sings lead. As I’ve said many times, when I vote in these games I try to put all the songs through my “best” test to force myself to try to be as objective as I can. Of course, nothing can make us totally objective, nor do I think we should be that way. The main criteria I consider are lyrics, music, vocals, harmonies, melody, and arrangement. So yes, vocals are a component, but it is very doubtful that I would judge Bitter Creek any higher with another vocalist. That’s because the vocals aren’t where I have my problem with the song. For me, the music, melody, and lack of energy are what keeps the song from being a standout. Now, I can’t speak to the technical aspects of the music since I am totally ignorant when it gets to that. I just know what my ears tell me. As far as the lack of energy in the song, maybe that does have something to do with the laid back vocal delivery style, but I don't think another vocalist would have made a significant difference. Maybe a livelier arrangement would have taken the song to a higher level for me – it’s hard to say. But in any event, I truly do like the song a lot, and I hate coming across as dissing it when I’m really not. It’s just that I don’t think it has all the components that a truly great song should have. Now that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. :grin:

I agree with what Dreamer has said here and indeed there are many excellent Eagles and solo Eagle songs that have been lost along the way simply due to the huge volume of excellent music on EACH album. You can only score so many hits. These are usually what the band (Or their producers, marketers etc) deem will be the potential best sellers. The powers that be at the time obviously viewed Desperado and TS to have more 'marketability' or appeal to the general masses than they did BC. Not to take anything away from BC. Very often the hard core fans will have favourites that never make it to release, or performance. And its great that these people (Myself included) keep these songs alive.

I don't think it was a level of 'solidarity' that kept BC in so long. Rather that one person made it an ambition to get in first on the immunity question and answer it correctly each time. Then nominate the song that they wanted to remain immune. This is NOT a criticism. We all have the opportunity to do this, and I guess, the fastest finger wins!!

However not to diss either the song or the person in this, I wonder would it make the game more interesting if perhaps the same song could not be immunised more than twice (either in a row or in a game) or that the same person could not answer the immunity question more than twice in a row. This is just a humble suggestion and in NO WAY reflects the contribution made in this case. I'm merely thinking of introducing more variety nad randomness to it. So the result (and the immune songs) will be less predictable.

OK! This has gone on a bit longer than I expected!!
Obviously there is NO competition in my vote! I just LOVE the melody, the lyrics and hell, Glenn:heart:'s voice in it!

My vote this round is TEQUILA SUNRISE
for the win...

[MikeA]

Well, Dreamer....you have the statistics behind you to back up your thoughts about Bitter Creek. The sales figures and the popularity (or lack thereof) of Bitter Creek definitely underscore your statements. Usually, I'm in the flow with the consensus of my peers when it comes to any specific song. My tastes in music are pretty "mainstream".

I have been known to have unpopular opinions about a few songs. You'll recall my position on New Kid In Town. That one just never got into my head.

In the case of Bitter Creek though, I seem to be at odds with the masses of people who are on board the same train that you are on. All's I'll say on this one is that I really THANK Bernie for writing it and performing it and give props to the rest of the band and Glyn Johns for including it on the album. It'll get plenty of air time on my MP3.

[TimothyBFan]

I suggest a Survivor do over... complete with new rule that no song can be made immune more than 2 times. Now let's see who makes it to the final 3. Just saying.....

[UK TimFan]

With respect, may I refer people who wish to comment on the 'rules' of Survivor to an earlier post of Dreamer's in this thread.
https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?p=146563#post146563

[luvthelighthouse]

While BC was first on my list to go... I have to say, even when it came down to the final three, it still didn't receive all the votes. I told you, when I bought the CD, the guy at the record store specifically said BC was one of the best on the album.

I think so much of what makes a song good is how we, as individuals, hear it. I hear Desperado as depressing. Others have made a case that it gives hope to start over. The Eagles version of Desperado may be playing, but we are hearing different songs. KWIM?

I have tried to embrace Desperado, but I just can't. I will admit, with my non musical ear, that it is a well produced song. The vocals are great the music blends together well... but for whatever reason, it has never spoken to me. Long before I even knew who the Eagles were, I didn't care for it.

As for the rules of this game... they seem fair. I recall years ago, watching the real Survivor... and week after week Johnny Fairplay remained in the game. I couldn't stand that guy! What a jerk! He was in the final three and it still amazing he made it that far. He and a friend made up a lie that his Grandmother died and everyone felt bad for him, etc. While I wish BC wasn't immune all those rounds, it is Survivor and you do what you have to, to make sure your song sticks around and survivors.

[TimothyBFan]

With respect, may I refer people who wish to comment on the 'rules' of Survivor to an earlier post of Dreamer's in this thread.
https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/f...563#post146563 (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?p=146563#post146563)




Yeah, I remember--- but thanks for reminding me anyways!

[BBKron]

As I said in a previous post, I'm new here, so apparently I don't get a vote in this. But since Desperado is one of my all-time favorite albums ( I love every track on it, and think it is just about perfect), I have followed this thread with much interest over the past week, and have also looked back through the previous rounds, and here are just a few observations I have (as a newcomer to this).
1) First, the song discussions are great, and hearing everyone's various feelings and interpretations of the songs has been most interesting and enlightening, and sometimes even alarming. Thanks for everyone's input.
2) You guys take this game WAY too seriously (and sometimes too personally, it seems). After all, this is just a fun exercise. Discussion can be great, but the 'results' don't really mean anything. It's just a poll. Does it really matter if your favorite song is not everyone else's favorite song?
3) To me, the level of popularity or mainstream appeal of a particular song has absolutely no bearing on the relative value or greatness of that song. Rarely are the songs that are released as singles, or the 'hits' the best songs on an album, at least to me. So, I don't really understand the argument that a certain song should 'survive' because it was a bigger hit than something else. This is a measure of what we each perceive to be the best, or our personal favorite song, which may not necessarily be the biggest hit.

For me, Bitter Creek has always been one of my favorite Eagles songs, and there is just no other Eagles song anything quite like it (and please don't talk about changing it - such as with a different singer, livelier arrangement, etc., it is just perfect as is), but I know perfectly well that it is not most people's favorite, and that is just fine, and to be expected. It has been great to see it so vigorously championed and defended by many here (and a little alarming to see it so attacked by others).
Even still, in the end, I have to say that Desperado would still get my ultimate vote (if I had a vote), as, to me, it still is the ultimate Eagles song, and has more personal meaning to me. Some may say they are tired of it, but I could never get tired of that masterpiece. And Remember, Desperado was never released as a single, it was never a 'hit'. It built-up it's reputation as a classic over the years precisely because people wanted to hear it, at concerts, on the radio, etc., even though it never was a hit song. It just seems Desperado has got to be top song from this album, for all that it represents personally, musically, emotionally, and thematically.
As for Tequila Sunrise, another great song from this great album, but for me, it would probably rank about #5 or so behind a few other songs from this album masterpiece.

Great to see so many people so passionate about this music.

[MikeA]

Great to see so many people so passionate about this music.

I cannot find anything in that post to contradict BBKron for I feel much the same way.

There was only ONE track on that entire album that I didn't think "fit" with the rest and that was more a matter of arrangement than anything to do with the song itself. The 3/4 Waltz of Saturday Night just felt out of place to me. And again, I emphasize that this is strictly a matter of personal preference.

Everything else about that song "fit" though...the lyrics certainly emphasized the "regret" of the protagonist in the song in not being able to pursue what others would call a "normal life".

[BBKron]

There was only ONE track on that entire album that I didn't think "fit" with the rest and that was more a matter of arrangement than anything to do with the song itself. The 3/4 Waltz of Saturday Night just felt out of place to me. And again, I emphasize that this is strictly a matter of personal preference.

Wow, MikeA, I agree completely! Now, I am loathe to criticize anything about this great album, but if I did feel think that there was any weakness at all, it would be precisely that. Saturday Night always seemed to me the weakest track (still very good, mind you), and it is just as you said, it is because the arrangement and style just didn't quite 'fit'. However, the song content, lyrics, mood, and emotional impact are just right, and this song fills an important place in the overall 'story' and album theme, yet it has to be my 'least favorite' (I would have voted it off first) on the album, only for just that reason.

Great Call, MikeA! (However, if pressed, I will dissavow that I ever made a negative comment regarding anything about Desperado).

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Welcome BBK to the discussion and I enjoyed reading your perspective. A couple of thoughts on your comments:


1) First, the song discussions are great, and hearing everyone's various feelings and interpretations of the songs has been most interesting and enlightening, and sometimes even alarming. Thanks for everyone's input.

We've been doing these Survivor games for several years now and have had some passionate song discussions in these games. You should check some of them out. :thumbsup:


2) You guys take this game WAY too seriously (and sometimes too personally, it seems). After all, this is just a fun exercise. Discussion can be great, but the 'results' don't really mean anything. It's just a poll. Does it really matter if your favorite song is not everyone else's favorite song?

I mostly agree with you here. We keep trying to emphasize that it's just a game and should be played to have a good time. The objective of the game from my perspective is to have fun. When people get all stressed out about it, we seem to be defeating our purpose. But, having said that, I do think it's natural that people are invested in the results. That's what makes these games different than the other discussion threads that we have about the songs and albums on the board. However, the challenge is to play the game in the spirit of friendly competition - not a "win at all cost" mentality.


3) To me, the level of popularity or mainstream appeal of a particular song has absolutely no bearing on the relative value or greatness of that song. Rarely are the songs that are released as singles, or the 'hits' the best songs on an album, at least to me. So, I don't really understand the argument that a certain song should 'survive' because it was a bigger hit than something else. This is a measure of what we each perceive to be the best, or our personal favorite song, which may not necessarily be the biggest hit.

I couldn't agree with you more that popularity is not indicative of the quality of songs or albums and I would never argue that a song should survive simply because it was a big hit. There are some pretty bad songs out in the universe that have reached #1 on the Billboard charts. In the case of Desperado, Tequila Sunrise was the only song from the album that was a hit, and that didn't even crack the Top 40. So, you don't have to look any further than this album to recognize that commercial success is not an indicator of quality. However, the album did survive because it deservingly came to be recognized as a great piece of work. So my point is when a song or album survives and it recognized by all generations 30 or 40 years after its release, it is because it has struck a chord with the mainstream. And I believe that is somewhat of an indicator of the songs quality. At the very least - it has lasting power. Tequila Sunrise and Desperado are still recognized songs today for a reason. I can't totally explain what the reasons are, but I have to believe it has something to do with the fact that the mainstream public believes they are great songs.


It has been great to see it so vigorously championed and defended by many here (and a little alarming to see it so attacked by others).

Now, you're falling into the competition trap. :wink: Why is it that those who defended Bitter Creek are deemed as "championing" it whereas it's detractors "attacked" it? I think we were all just expressing our opinion. Speaking for myself, I tried very hard not to attack the song because I like it a lot.



Great to see so many people so passionate about this music.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[MikeA]

I'm not quite sure why that 3/4 time traditional Whomp-chew-chew beat doesn't seem to fit. The Eagles were doing a Western Country-Rock thing with Desperado and certainly that waltz beat is a HUGE part of that music. It is used a lot in that particular genre. I think it may be because the rest of the songs have such a more contemporary beat.

Now, I've messed with a lot of music based on 3/4...Take "House Of The Rising Sun" as an example...it isn't 3/4 but it is based on it....6/8 actually. If anyone has trouble "hearing" what I'm talking about, Sing the Church Hymn "Amazing Grace" but sing it to the tune of House of the Rising Sun. It fits that beat perfectly...like a glove. But the Original Amazing Grace is 3/4 waltz beat and that is what Saturday Night is.

Now, I'm quite sure that when arranging that song, Glenn (I assume that Glenn wrote it and arranged it) had some reason for keeping it in that beat instead of kicking it up to 6/8 which would have meshed into the rest of the beats on "Desperado" much better.

But that is MY TAKE on it. And believe me, I have nothing But Respect for the talent that Glenn has for arranging music. Henley may have the corner on lyrics, but it is Glenn who pulls it all together into a unified whole. Maybe Glenn was still discovering himself in those early years. OR maybe he accomplished exactly what he was after, but it sure made Saturday Night sort of stand away from the rest of the songs on the released album.

[tequila girl]

I cannot find anything in that post to contradict BBKron for I feel much the same way.

There was only ONE track on that entire album that I didn't think "fit" with the rest and that was more a matter of arrangement than anything to do with the song itself. The 3/4 Waltz of Saturday Night just felt out of place to me. And again, I emphasize that this is strictly a matter of personal preference.

Everything else about that song "fit" though...the lyrics certainly emphasized the "regret" of the protagonist in the song in not being able to pursue what others would call a "normal life".
Not being a musician or dancer (apparently they work along the same lines!) I haven't quite got the hang of 3/4 - 6/8 time (or whatever) it has been explained by a very good friend who was a professional dancer (I guess I must be in some way musically challenged - but I know what I like!) I don't actually know why I started to post this....apart from to say "Saturday Night" is one of my favourites on the album! :shrug:

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well - From a personal standpoint, one good thing about this round is that is has been made a lot easier for me to make my decision. I thought this was going to be an extremely close round - right down to the wire. But, I really need to stop trying to predict these games. :wink:

Anyway, I have put these two remaining songs through my own personal "best" test, but that didn't help me decide. As I said before, I think they are both amazing vocally and musically. I give a very slight edge to Desperado lyrically and a very slight edge to Tequila Sunrise melodically. None of my usual tiebreakers such as whether it was written by an Eagle or if it's a cover apply here. So, bottom line is, for me, it's a tie. But since voting for both is against the rules, I decided to even my own personal score. The first time we played this game, it was very close and I voted for Desperado, which ended up winning the game. So just to give Tequila Sunrise it's due ...

I cast my vote for Tequila Sunrise for the win!

[Annabel]

Not being a musician or dancer (apparently they work along the same lines!) I haven't quite got the hang of 3/4 - 6/8 time (or whatever) it has been explained by a very good friend who was a professional dancer (I guess I must be in some way musically challenged - but I know what I like!) I don't actually know why I started to post this....apart from to say "Saturday Night" is one of my favourites on the album! :shrug:

I really like Saturday Night too. :nod:

Somehow when I hear Out of Control I want to get up and jive. Anyone else get that feeling ?? or do I need help. :ack: :laugh:

[sodascouts]

And the winner of Desperado Survivor is....

TEQUILA SUNRISE!

Votes
Tequila Sunrise - 15
Desperado - 7


Vote Breakdown
Tequila Sunrise - timfan
Tequila Sunrise - Freypower
Tequila Sunrise - EagleLady
Tequila Sunrise - WalshFan88
Tequila Sunrise - Glennhoney
Tequila Sunrise - Brooke
Tequila Sunrise - sodascouts
Tequila Sunrise - luvthelighthouse
Tequila Sunrise - Koala
Tequila Sunrise - Wildthyme
Tequila Sunrise - TimothyBFan
Tequila Sunrise - pueblo47
Tequila Sunrise - AzEaglesFan
Tequila Sunrise - Glennsallnighter
Tequila Sunrise - Ive always been a dreamer
Desperado - UK TimFan
Desperado - whitcap
Desperado - EaglesFanatic
Desperado - Prettymaid
Desperado - tequila girl
Desperado - Annabel
Desperado - EaglesKiwi


Songs eliminated:
Twenty-One 4/19
Saturday Night 4/21
Certain Kind of Fool 4/23
Outlaw Man 4/25
Doolin-Dalton 4/27
Out of Control 4/29
Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise 5/01
Bitter Creek 5/03
Desperado 5/05


CONGRATS TEQUILA SUNRISE!!
Thanks for playing!

[EaglesFanatic]

Wow, I'm really surprised!! Congrats to Tequila Sunrise.

[sodascouts]

Yeah, I'd predicted Desperado would win like it did last time we played back in 2007. Guess you never know what's gonna happen!

To celebrate, here's a couple videos to enjoy!

Tequila Sunrise (Holland 1973)
Download as .mpg (40 megs) (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/multimedia/live/Holland73-02TequilaSunrise.mpg)
Download as .wmv (10 megs) (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/multimedia/live/Holland73-02TequilaSunrise.wmv)

Tequila Sunrise (ABC In Concert 1973)
Download .mpg (32 megs) (http://www.glennfreyonline.com/multimedia/live/TequilaSunriseABCInConcert73.mpg)
Download .wmv (8 megs) (http://www.glennfreyonline.com/multimedia/live/TequilaSunriseABCInConcert73.wmv)
(Gotta love Glenn's shirt in this one)

[Freypower]

Stunning result. I'm very proud. :spin: :nod:

[WalshFan88]

Very happy with the result. I've never liked "Desperado" for whatever reason. Since my beloved "Out Of Control" couldn't win, "Tequila Sunrise" was my 2nd pick, also happens to be my favorite 2 tunes and probably the only ones I like from the album.

Congrats Tequila Sunrise!

[pueblo47]

I've never liked "Desperado" for whatever reason.:armed::machinegun::cuss::hilarious:(JK)

[WalshFan88]

:armed::machinegun::cuss::hilarious:(JK)

:grin:

[luvthelighthouse]

After last elimination round, I thought TS was in real trouble. I'm surprised by the margin it won... and Happy!

It's a great song that has stood the test of time.

Fun game... and really made me rethink OOC...

[Koala]

Congrats to Tequila Sunrise!
With such a clear result, I did not expect!

As always it was fun to play this game and to read all the Discussions!

Thanks again to Soda and Dreamer for making the game for us!!

[TimothyBFan]

Congrats to Tequila Sunrise!! Well deserved win. I'm another who's not a huge fan of Desperado. Used to be, but over the years, it's worn thin on me.

Thanks again to Soda & Dreamer for keeping it going!! Can't wait for the next one.

[MikeA]

Tequila Sunrise is one that I am ambivalent about. I remember one Saturday morning that seemed to me to be what Tequila Sunrise was about....terrible hangover from WAY too many Tequila Shots the night before :hilarious:

Seriously, TS is a great song and deserves the win, though I liked Desperado better....but I'm a moody/introspective type personality and do agree with the sentiment of Desperado. Overall, I think that is why I think the album appealed so much to me.

[Prettymaid]

Congrats to Tequila Sunrise!! Well deserved win. I'm another who's not a huge fan of Desperado. Used to be, but over the years, it's worn thin on me.

Thanks again to Soda & Dreamer for keeping it going!! Can't wait for the next one.

I know what you mean. I had to think long and hard about whether I was going to go with Desperado when we started this game because I too have grown 'tired' of it. But that's what is so great about this Survivor game. It makes us rethink every song and listen with fresh ears. After doing that there was no doubt for me that Desperado deserved the win. Tequila Sunrise was third on my list.

Just for kicks, here is my list:

Desperado
Outlaw Man
Tequila Sunrise
Certain Kind Of Fool
Out Of Control
Doolin-Dalton
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise
Bitter Creek
Twenty One
Saturday Night

So congratulations to Tequila Sunrise. Now it can ride into the sunset. :hilarious:

[Brooke]

I'm so happy that Tequila Sunrise won, too. I didn't think it would beat out Desperado though.

I really love both songs, but I have gotten tired of Desperado over the years.

So, Glenn, are you listening? We love Tequila Sunrise and it should still be in your set list. It's a great song! :thumbsup:

[AzEaglesFan]

Yes, bring it back. Love Glenn's voice on TS. I guess that's the reason I'm not fond of Out of Control. It's amost like Glenn is yelling instead of singing. He has such a great voice.

[Glennhoney]

BRAVO...BRAVO....


..AND YES IT SHOULD DEFINATELY BE IN THE SET LIST...:thumbsup:

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Congratulations to Tequila Sunrise!!!

A very worthy winner, indeed ... and also to Desperado which would also have been a very worthy winner, IMHO. As many of us have repeatedly stated, this is such a great album, and I don't think there are any bad songs on it, individually or collectively. To me, there is a very fine line between the quality of the songs here. Even though I knew it was a long shot, the song that I was really hoping would win was the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise simply because I think it is the perfectly ending to a nearly perfect album!