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WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 07:04 PM

I got this idea recently to do a thread on this. I will edit and update it as I need to.

Rather than sourcing pics of each of the guys with their guitars - I'm going to post pictures of what each model looks like (colors may be different) and who used each one on what song, both studio and live.

This is going to take a LONG time, so bare with me as I revise it over time.

Also, for all other non-Eagles related guitar info and questions - please go to this thread: https://eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?p=277614

-Austin

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Song Specific Guitars (recordings)

Take It Easy: Bernie Leadon used a Fender Telecaster with a B Bender unit for the electric parts and lead solo on the track. The amp is unknown but it sounds like a Blackface or Silverface Fender amp. Glenn Frey's guitar was probably a Martin acoustic, he used one before switching to Takamine.

Peaceful Easy Feeling: Same gear as Take It Easy.

Already Gone: Glenn Frey used his classic "Old Black" Gibson Les Paul Jr into a Fender Blackface Deluxe (nonreverb model) with a Vox silver bell speaker. Don Felder has said that for his parts he used the same gear, so I assume he used Glenn's rig. Bernie Leadon played a Telecaster into a Fender amp.

One Of These Nights: Don Felder used a 1959 Sunburst Gibson Les Paul Standard into a Fender Narrow Panel Tweed Deluxe amp from the 1950s. Not sure on the gear used by Glenn Frey or Bernie Leadon but it's a safe bet Leadon used a Tele and Glenn used his Old Black with Fender amps.

Hotel California: Don Felder played a Martin 12 string acoustic with a soundhole pickup for the intro bits with an EMT echo unit and leslie rotating speaker. For the electric solo he used a 1959 Sunburst Gibson Les Paul Standard (Burst) and a 50s Fender Narrow Panel 5E3 Tweed Deluxe amp (same as One Of These Nights) with echo and chorus units. Joe Walsh used a Fender Telecaster and a Tweed Deluxe for his solo with a MXR Phase 90 pedal for a swirling effect. Glenn Frey used a Martin 12 String for his parts.

Life In The Fast Lane: Joe Walsh used a 1950s Fender Stratocaster into a Fender amp for his parts on LITFL. Don Felder used his 59 Gibson Les Paul. Glenn Frey would have used his Junior, his main guitar at the time for electric.

Victim Of Love: Don Felder said he used his Fender Stratocaster into a Fender Narrow Panel 5F1 Tweed Champ from the 50s for the track. Joe Walsh likely used a Les Paul for his slide into a Fender amp of some sort.

The Long Run: Both Joe Walsh and Don Felder in the music video for this track used Sunburst Les Pauls. I know Joe Walsh has said he used a Roland Cube amp for the track and in the video there are lots of Fender amps. Glenn Frey can be seen playing a Fender Tele into a Fender Tweed amp and there are other Fender amps behind Don. Other than that, no specific details.

Acoustic Guitars Live (HOTE tour)

Glenn:

Glenn uses his signature Takamine EF360GF acoustic primarily on all acoustic songs except for "Take It Easy" and "Hotel California". Glenn uses a Takamine 12-string acoustic on "Take It Easy" and "Hotel California".

Don Henley:

Don uses a Takamine acoustic for everything he plays acoustic.

Joe:

Joe uses both Takamine and Gibson acoustic guitars. He uses a Gibson dark sunburst 12-String on songs like "Lyin' Eyes" and "Take It To The Limit".

Steuart:

Steuart uses a Takamine acoustic guitar.

Bernie:

Bernie uses a Martin Dreadnought acoustic guitar.

Don Felder (HFO and solo):

Don used Takamine acoustic guitars in the HFO period. Now he uses Taylor acoustic guitars.

Electric Guitars Live (HOTE tour)

Glenn:

Glenn uses a myriad of guitars such as a Fender Telecaster (on songs like "The Long Run"), a Gibson Les Paul Junior (on songs like "Already Gone" and "Life In The Fast Lane"), and a Sunburst Gibson Les Paul Standard (on songs like "One Of These Nights"). He also uses an Eagles signature Duesenberg occasionally. He rarely can be seen also playing a red Gibson Firebird and black Moderne. Pics for each of these models will be at the bottom of the page as they all use these kinds of guitars.

Don Henley:

Don Henley exclusively plays a Fender Telecaster Deluxe anytime he's playing electric guitar. He plays through a Line 6 amplifier.

Joe:

Joe uses LOTS of different kinds of guitars! Too hard to name each guitar for each song for him but he uses Fender Telecasters, Fender Stratocasters, Gibson Les Pauls, Duesenbergs, Music Man's, Carvin's, PRS's, and many more. He also recently started using a Gibson Explorer for "Witchy Woman". He changes them often too! Joe has a new guitar out with Duesenberg, similar to the Eagles signature guitar.

Steuart:

Steuart is a diehard Ernie Ball Music Man player. He uses everything from Axis models to Silhouette models. The guitar he uses on Hotel California is a custom designed double necked Silhouette especially for him with opposite neck arrangement to a Gibson EDS-1275 like Don Felder played. He has a white one and a black one. He also has a 60s Gibson SG Junior, PRS, Gibson ES-335, and a 60s Fender Stratocaster in his arsenal.

Bernie:

Bernie uses a Black B-Bender Fender Custom Telecaster and a Red Gibson Les Paul. He uses the Tele on almost everything except Witchy Woman, which is a Les Paul.

Don Felder (solo):

Don uses almost exclusively Gibson Les Paul Standards and Fender Stratocasters. He uses a Les Paul on songs like "One Of These Nights", "Already Gone", "Life In The Fast Lane", etc. He uses a Strat on songs like "Take It Easy", "New Kid In Town", "Victim Of Love", etc. Note that in his solo show he now uses a Strat on "Life In The Fast Lane" as he plays Joe's parts in his solo show and Joe uses a Strat on that song. He also has a Zemaitis guitar for slide nowadays for songs like "The Long Run" and "Victim Of Love". He of course has a Gibson EDS-1275 he uses and always used live for "Hotel California" with a capo on the 7th fret of the 12-string neck. He also used a Gibson ES-335 for the solo live on "I Can't Tell You Why".

Electric Guitars Live (70s)

Glenn:

Glenn mostly used his Gibson Les Paul Junior. He occasionally used Telecasters, Stratocasters, SG's, Sunburst Les Pauls, and SG Junior in the 70s as well. He also used a Gibson ES-330 and ES-335.

Joe:

Joe mostly used Fender Telecasters, Stratocasters, and Les Pauls live. He can also sometimes be seen with a sunburst Gibson EDS-1275 double neck.

Don Felder:

Don mostly used Stratocasters and Telecasters and Les Pauls. He used his '59 Les Paul live in the 70s as well as other Les Pauls, as well as a sunburst Strat and blonde finish Tele. He used the Gibson EDS-1275 for "Hotel California" that was modified with two jacks for the 12-string neck to go to a leslie rotating speaker and clean amp and the 6-string neck to go to his pedalboard and a dirtier set amp instead of a single output jack like most EDS-1275's. He uses a capo on the 12-string neck on the 7th fret.

Bernie:

Bernie mostly used Telecasters. He used a Les Paul on "Witchy Woman", otherwise it was all Teles, usually outfitted with B-Benders. He used a Dave Evans Pull String Guitar designed in the shape of a Telecaster in a lot of 70s concerts.

Acoustic Guitars Live (70s)

Glenn:

Glenn used Martin acoustic guitars in the early years of the Eagles, then transitioned to Takamine.

Electric Guitars Studio (recordings)

Glenn:

Glenn used a Gibson Les Paul Junior for most of his electric studio work named "Old Black", which is a 50s model he got from Jackson Browne that was modified for a 2nd pickup (soapbar P90) in the neck position and switch and new tuners. It originally had one dogear P90 pickup in the bridge. It was not a Les Paul Special as some state, which came with two soapbar P90 pickups. He used it on songs such as "Already Gone", "James Dean", "Witchy Woman", etc. He also used Fender Telecasters in the studio, on songs like "The Long Run". He also used a Gibson ES-330 for the solo on "I Can't Tell You Why".

Joe:

Joe used mostly Les Pauls, Stratocasters, and Telecasters in the studio. He used a Strat on songs like "Life In The Fast Lane". He used a Tele on songs like "Hotel California". He used a Les Paul on songs like "In The City", "The Long Run", "Those Shoes", and "Heartache Tonight".

Don Felder:

Don used mostly Les Pauls and Stratocasters with the occasional Telecaster. He used a Strat on songs like "New Kid In Town" and "Victim Of Love". He used a Les Paul on songs like "Hotel California", "One Of These Nights", "Life In The Fast Lane", and "Those Shoes". He used a Tele on "Lyin' Eyes".

Bernie:

Bernie used a Fender Telecaster for almost all of his work with the Eagles. He used a Gibson Les Paul for "Witchy Woman".

Other Misc Gear

Glenn:

Glenn has always used a mid 60s Fender Blackface Non-Reverb model Deluxe amp for everything from the 70s to now. He uses very few pedals, all made from BOSS.

Joe:

Joe used mostly Fender amps in the 70s in the studio and live - Blackface and Tweeds of various models. He used Marshalls in his solo projects but most everything in the Eagles was Fender amps. He, like Don Felder, used a Fender Tweed Deluxe on "Hotel California". He used a MXR Phase 90 pedal and echo unit on that song as well. In the 70s he used very few pedals but nowadays he uses a pedalboard with BOSS pedals, an RMC Wah, and a few other odds and ends. Nowadays for amps Joe uses a Vox AC15.

Don Felder:

Don is exclusively a Fender amp guy from the 70s to present. He used a Tweed Deluxe on "One Of These Nights" and "Hotel California", a Tweed Champ on "Victim Of Love", etc in the studio. He used an echo unit and BOSS chorus unit on "Hotel California". He usually used a Blackface Deluxe Reverb live in the 70s and a Tweed Deluxe. Nowadays he uses just a reissue Blackface Deluxe Reverb. In the HFO period he used a Fender Blues Deluxe model.

Steuart:

Steuart uses a Peavey Classic 50 amp. He has a pedalboard with mostly BOSS effects but also a ProCo RAT and a Menatone Red Snapper.

Bernie:

Bernie uses a Fender Silverface and Fender Tweed amp now with the Eagles. The classic recordings were some type of Fender amp, probably Silverface/Blackface.

Bass Guitars

Randy:

Randy used a Fender Precision Bass mostly with the Eagles but can also be seen with a Fender Jazz Bass, a Rickenbacker bass in the HC period, and also a Hagstrom bass. I'm not sure what bass he used on what song, but that's what he used. He mainly used Fender bass amps.

Timothy:

Tim used and still uses a Fender Jazz Bass. He does have a Carvin bass as well but mostly uses the Jazz Bass. Like Randy, I'm not sure what he used in the studio but he mostly uses Jazz Basses live. He has a Sunburst, a Black, a Brown, and a White one. His Carvin basses are white and also sunburst. He also has used a Pedulla fretless Buzz Bass and Rob Allen fretless Bass. He uses a SWR Bass Amp and Cab.

Signature Guitars Past and Present

Band: The band had a signature guitar series with Duesenberg both electric guitar and bass.

Glenn: Glenn has a signature model acoustic guitar with Takamine, the EF360GF. He previously had a signature model electric guitar with Rickenbacker.

Joe: Joe has a signature model Duesenberg out right now, similar to the Eagles signature guitar. Gibson Custom Shop did a small run of a replica of a 1960 Les Paul Burst that belonged to Joe.

Felder: Don had two signature small runs with Gibson's Custom Shop. They replicated his 1959 Les Paul Burst as well as his 1970s Gibson EDS-1275 doubleneck he used live on Hotel California.

Timothy: Timothy had a signature Carvin bass.

Guitar Model Identifier!

Les Paul Standard:

https://i.imgur.com/f5qXAfM.png

Les Paul Junior:

https://i.imgur.com/9vf3lZv.jpg

Les Paul Junior Double Cut:

https://i.imgur.com/g2c7Zs4.jpg

Les Paul Special:

https://i.imgur.com/MM26VkL.jpg

Les Paul Special Double Cut:

https://i.imgur.com/8vbqX2L.png

Les Paul Custom:

https://i.imgur.com/aCPhSWO.jpg

SG Standard:

https://i.imgur.com/5PJzJXz.png

SG Junior:

https://i.imgur.com/fu5bcbw.png

SG Special:

https://i.imgur.com/1O4ubhP.jpg

SG Custom:

https://i.imgur.com/BPbXhvt.png

Firebird:

https://i.imgur.com/5JTCndT.jpg

Flying V:

https://i.imgur.com/KnIqQBN.jpg

Explorer:

https://i.imgur.com/YcLj5J5.png

Moderne:

https://i.imgur.com/3DIakrJ.jpg

EDS-1275 Doubleneck:

https://i.imgur.com/7NcANIC.jpg

ES-335:

https://i.imgur.com/gAwNeiQ.png

ES-330:

https://i.imgur.com/vieeHVR.jpg

Stratocaster:

https://i.imgur.com/NPnJ0Rm.jpg

Telecaster:

https://i.imgur.com/nBwNj40.jpg

Jaguar:

https://i.imgur.com/2Y9kt5N.jpg

Jazzmaster:

https://i.imgur.com/gWo0Kfx.jpg

Mustang:

https://i.imgur.com/AHJrKpv.jpg

Music Man Axis:

https://i.imgur.com/PZxYSVt.jpg

Music Man Silhouette:

https://i.imgur.com/AyVbFCU.jpg

Music Man Doubleneck:

https://i.imgur.com/rXBCWBQ.jpg

Duesenberg:

https://i.imgur.com/EgYYqQ1.jpg

PRS:

https://i.imgur.com/sQClZfc.jpg

Carvin:

https://i.imgur.com/MlYaul0.jpg

Gretsch:

https://i.imgur.com/3H5Wyux.jpg

Rickenbacker:

https://i.imgur.com/R1Pl4dC.jpg

Epiphone Casino:

https://i.imgur.com/CNOW15G.jpg

Takamine:

https://i.imgur.com/PMiCKII.jpg

Martin:

https://i.imgur.com/Mj70G6u.jpg

Taylor:

https://i.imgur.com/PNdEcuL.jpg

Precision Bass:

https://i.imgur.com/ToS6Xru.jpg

Jazz Bass:

https://i.imgur.com/WAlRi7t.jpg

Telecaster Bass:

https://i.imgur.com/WXZPVqe.jpg

Music Man Bass:

https://i.imgur.com/Byqdrwp.jpg

Rickenbacker Bass:

https://i.imgur.com/wPwdxvY.jpg

zeldabjr

05-04-2014, 07:09 PM

oh Austin...thank you for this...I know nothing about guitars...only that I have a Takamine in my closet that someone gave me...that I've yet to touch...lol...

question...Do you know the guitar of Joe's that looks like little pieces of mother of pearl all over it?...What make is that if you know?...It is my favorite of his...looks wise...

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 07:10 PM

irga

05-04-2014, 07:17 PM

Wow, Austin, a perfect thread, thank you!
As for Timothy, what I can add is that he plays also a Pedulla fretless Buzz bass, which can be seen at Melbourne gig during Boys of Summer. Personally, my favorite :-)
Here is a photo of Timothy playing it:

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o292/rokitka/RedGuitar_zps5d1f11a3.jpg

SoaringRockyMountainWay

05-04-2014, 07:18 PM

I love that Les Paul! Joe's signature guitar!

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 07:24 PM

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 07:25 PM

Everyone feel free to add anything and I'll update the list.

Also feel free to ask any questions or post any pics wondering what it is and I'll try to help. :)

Freypower

05-04-2014, 07:26 PM

Good idea for a thread which perhaps should be in the Eagles forum unless you want to make it a broader based discussion of guitars?

Glenn has been playing a gold Duesenberg recently too (in fact you did mention this above). I hope you don't mind me posting this but I am very proud of this photo.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Solo%20Years/After%20Hours%20Tour/Australasian%20Tour/Sydney6.jpg

He has also been known to play an SG & an Explorer in recent years at Eagles shows.

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 07:28 PM

Yes I'd like it to be Eagles centric - I was just afraid it'd be too off topic for that forum. Soda or anyone can feel free to move it.

That is a great pic of the Eagles (band) signature Duesy. It's in the pictures I posted above although it's just the guitar and not in a live environment.

Please feel free to post pictures of the guys with guitars, I just didn't have time to source a photo of each of them with each kind of guitar.

Freypower

05-04-2014, 07:31 PM

I believe Joe's guitar here is an Explorer, correct?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Eagles%20General/BandSummerfest3.jpg

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 07:32 PM

Yup! I think he uses it on Witchy Woman?! I just updated it! Thanks!!

thelastresort

05-04-2014, 09:03 PM

Just a couple from me:
- Is the ES-335 the one used for ICTYW and formerly by Glenn back in the 70s? Is it used for anything else currently?
- Steuart also does acoustic guitar on the current set - it looks the same make as Glenn's?
- Is Steuart's double neck Gibson special as it's usually 12 string top 6 string bottom but Steuart's is vice versa?

Cheers

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 09:05 PM

Just a couple from me:
- Is the ES-335 the one used for ICTYW and formerly by Glenn back in the 70s? Is it used for anything else currently?

No, Felder and Stu both have their own ES-335s they use(d) on that song live. Stu uses the 335 on The Long Run too. Other than that no Eagles song in the studio used it.

- Steuart also does acoustic guitar on the current set - it looks the same make as Glenn's?

Good point. I'll have to check.

- Is Steuart's double neck Gibson special as it's usually 12 string top 6 string bottom but Steuart's is vice versa?

Stu's is made by Ernie Ball, Felder's is made by Gibson. It is special as the necks are flipped as preferred by Steuart. Felder's is the typical 12 on top 6 on bottom.

Cheers

Hope this helps!

ETA: Yes Stu's acoustic is Takamine - just found a photo! Updated.

thelastresort

05-04-2014, 09:09 PM

Hope this helps!

Indeed it does :D

Steuart's acoustic use I have only found so far on D-D / D Reprise, I'm not sure if there's anything else he uses it for. I take it for the current set Leadon is pure Telecaster? I don't think I've ever seen him with anything else!

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 09:10 PM

Indeed it does :D

Steuart's acoustic use I have only found so far on D-D / D Reprise, I'm not sure if there's anything else he uses it for. I take it for the current set Leadon is pure Telecaster? I don't think I've ever seen him with anything else!

Crap! I forgot Bernie! :brickwall: Let me go add his parts in. :hilarious:

Bernie uses a Red Les Paul and a Black Telecaster and a Martin acoustic in the live show.

ETA: Ok I've added all of his parts in.

Ive always been a dreamer

05-04-2014, 10:34 PM

Great thread Austin!

I went ahead and moved it for you since you said the discussion should be confined to the band.

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 10:40 PM

Thanks!!!

Houston Baby

05-04-2014, 11:01 PM

Austin

YOU ROCK!!

Thank you for doing this!

MaryCalifornia

05-04-2014, 11:05 PM

This may be too much detail for you, WF, but here you go, some Timothy gear info from this 2010 article, specifically about the Eagles tour, but with solo guitar info, too: http://www.bassplayer.com/article/Timothy-B-Schmit-Up-amp-Down-The-Highway/4991

Basses 1962 Fender Jazz Bass (sunburst), 1962 Fender Jazz Bass (black) tuned EbAbDbGb, 1964 Fender Jazz Bass (white), 1964 Fender Jazz Bass (refinished brown), 1965 Fender Jazz Bass (sunburst) tuned EbAbDbGb, Pedulla Buzz Fretless Bass tuned DbAbDbGb, Rob Allen MB-2 Fretless Bass tuned EbAbDbGb

Rig Shure U4D wireless, Countryman DI, two SWR 750x heads, SWR Son of Bertha 1x15 cab, SWR Goliath III 4x10 cab, SWR Goliath Jr. 2x10 cab (all tweeters turned off)

Effects Boss BF-3 Flanger

Expando Gear 1962 Fender Jazz Bass, 1977 Ernie Ball Earthwood bass Kay 162 bass, ’60s Hofner “Beatle Bass”, Ernie Ball baritone guitar

Strings Ernie Ball Roundwounds on Jazz Basses, tapewound strings on the Earthwood, old flatwounds on the Kay and Hofner basses

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 11:05 PM

Austin [
YOU ROCK!!
Thank you for doing this!

Thank you!!!! :wave:

WalshFan88

05-04-2014, 11:12 PM

Scarlet Sun

05-05-2014, 12:38 AM

what about Randy's Hagstrom?

WalshFan88

05-05-2014, 12:51 AM

what about Randy's Hagstrom?

Added.

sodascouts

05-05-2014, 12:59 AM

I have nothing to add except that this thread is awesome.

WalshFan88

05-05-2014, 01:15 AM

I have nothing to add except that this thread is awesome.

Thanks!!

I hope to add more as people bring them to my attention or I remember them.

I discovered a lot of the song details I've picked up in interviews with the guys.

Sometime I might tackle the mandolin, banjo, and pedal steel from the early 70s but I don't know much about them. I'll leave someone else to do the drums and keyboards. :hilarious:

thelastresort

05-05-2014, 06:58 AM

Sometime I might tackle the mandolin, banjo, and pedal steel from the early 70s but I don't know much about them. I'll leave someone else to do the drums and keyboards. :hilarious:

I also expect details of Randy's guitarrone on New Kid in Town and the dobro Bernie used on the Desperado album ;)

Seriously though, awesome list.

prayfordaylight

05-05-2014, 08:54 AM

I have nothing to add except that this thread is awesome.

Totally agreed. Great work Austin!

GlennLover

05-05-2014, 08:56 AM

Thanks so much, Austin. This is a lot of work!

WalshFan88

05-05-2014, 03:26 PM

Thanks everyone. :) I've actually wanted to do this for awhile now but yesterday seemed like the right day to start on it!

WalshFan88

05-05-2014, 03:26 PM

I also expect details of Randy's guitarrone on New Kid in Town and the dobro Bernie used on the Desperado album ;)

:hilarious:

05-05-2014, 03:53 PM

Austin, you are a serious musical instrument aficionado!
YOU ARE THE MAN! :rockguitar:

WalshFan88

05-05-2014, 04:05 PM

Thanks!!!

Glennsallnighter

05-05-2014, 04:40 PM

Thanks for all the work you have done on this thread Austin. It really is a labour of love. I play a little guitar and I have one of Glenn :heart:'s signature Takamine guitars. As well as one of the Walden Woods Eagles guitars. My favourite one to play is Glenn :heart:'s one.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/Irisheaglesfan/imagejpg2-1.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/Irisheaglesfan/media/imagejpg2-1.jpg.html)

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t236/Irisheaglesfan/imagejpg1-1.jpg (http://s161.photobucket.com/user/Irisheaglesfan/media/imagejpg1-1.jpg.html)

WalshFan88

05-05-2014, 05:28 PM

Awesome GA!

I'd love for anyone to post pics of the guys with guitars or their signature models or guitars or even amps that are identical to what they play. Trying to keep it Eagles centric or we would have 1001 pages on guitars and who plays what. :hilarious:

Maybe someday I'll delve into their guitars they used on solo stuff, most of it is the same but in the case of Joe, it's quite different. But with Joe he's the biggest guitar gearhead of all of them and that's why he plays a different one on every song and constantly changes the guitars and amps he uses on tour. His section will likely have the most revisions as I see him with new stuff or people post pics from shows.

VAisForEagleLovers

05-05-2014, 08:37 PM

Excellent thread!!!

Here's my contribution...

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/may%202/joeguitar2.jpg

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/may%202/joe5.jpg

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/may%202/joewithguitar.jpg

These are from the May 2, 2012 concert in Atlanta. I'm told that a couple of them have been posted in some guitar forums.

TimFan222

05-05-2014, 08:41 PM

VAisForEagleLovers

05-05-2014, 08:42 PM

From May 4, 2012:

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/Eagles%20May%204/DonandJoe2.jpg

Seconds after this photo was taken, Don stuck his fingers into the strings as Joe was playing...very funny.
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/Eagles%20May%204/DonandJoe.jpg

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/Eagles%20May%204/DonandTimothy.jpg

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/Eagles%20May%204/DonandGlenn3.jpg

This is all of them during Dirty Laundry:

http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/Eagles%20May%204/Allofthem5.jpg

And of course...
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb328/vernakrose/Eagles%20May%204/Steuart2.jpg

Houston Baby

05-05-2014, 08:53 PM

Those are AWESOME photos VA! :thumbsup:

thelastresort

05-05-2014, 09:02 PM

Out of interest who's the bloke behind Steuart on that final photo? I want to say Michael Thompson but he's changed a lot since F1 if that's the case!

WalshFan88

05-05-2014, 09:04 PM

WF88. I don't know much about guitars. I always thought a bass had 4 strings. But I have seen quite a few lately with 5 strings. Can you enlighten me please?I hope no one minds my posting this. Thanks

Basses normally use 4 strings but there are 5 and 6 string basses as well.

5 strings are more common than 6 though. The 5 string has a low B for the 5th string. Just more notes to use! A 6 String can be tuned in lots of different ways.

WalshFan88

05-05-2014, 09:05 PM

Awesome photos VA!!

VAisForEagleLovers

05-05-2014, 09:34 PM

Out of interest who's the bloke behind Steuart on that final photo? I want to say Michael Thompson but he's changed a lot since F1 if that's the case!

Yes, that's Michael!

shunlvswx

05-06-2014, 09:51 AM

Austin. I have a question. So the 12 string is mostly an acoustic guitar right? So Don F and Steuart are playing both the acoustic and electric guitar on HC?

Is the 12 string usually played by the one who's playing the actual playing the I guess the melody(I don't know what its called). For example, Glenn is playing the notes of HC, LE, and TIE while Don F, Steuart or Joe plays the leads.

WalshFan88

05-06-2014, 12:50 PM

Austin. I have a question. So the 12 string is mostly an acoustic guitar right? So Don F and Steuart are playing both the acoustic and electric guitar on HC?

The original recording of HC was 12 string acoustic. Live it is an electric 12 string as part of a doubleneck guitar. They make 12 string electric guitars by themselves as well.

Is the 12 string usually played by the one who's playing the actual playing the I guess the melody(I don't know what its called). For example, Glenn is playing the notes of HC, LE, and TIE while Don F, Steuart or Joe plays the leads.

Don Felder and now Stu plays the 12-string introduction melody that is picked (arpeggiated) that repeats through most of the song. Glenn strums the chords on a 12-string as well but that classic intro is played by DF or SS. The leads are done on the 6-string neck for DF/SS and Joe plays the leads on a 6 string electric. Joe mostly plays answer licks and chords up until the solos.

Hope this helps! :)

shunlvswx

05-06-2014, 01:19 PM

WalshFan88

05-06-2014, 02:43 PM

Oh ok. So Steuart and Don F is actually playing the song with Glenn strumming in the background. Oh ok. I don't know why I thought Glenn was playing the actual song. So its Steuart/Don F 12 string guitar we hear playing throughout the song not Glenn's, but we hear Glenn more on TIE since both Don F(and now Steuart) and Joe playing the electric guitar on that song. I do notice Don F change over from the 12 string guitar to the 6 string a lot in the song.

Thanks. That does help.

Yeah DF/SS play the answer licks on the 6 string neck throughout and alternate between that and the picked 12 string intro.

Yep Glenn is the guy doing the strummed intro in TIE with a 12 string guitar. Then Bernie/Joe comes in with the pedal steel lick right before the first verse. DF/SS just strum rhythm after the song starts.

TimFan222

05-07-2014, 07:18 PM

Basses normally use 4 strings but there are 5 and 6 string basses as well.

5 strings are more common than 6 though. The 5 string has a low B for the 5th string. Just more notes to use! A 6 String can be tuned in lots of different ways.WF. Thanks for the remedial bass guitar lesson! Even more than I thought. I have never seen a 6 string bass but now know they exist!!!!

Freypower

05-07-2014, 07:54 PM

I don't know how detailed you wish to be in this thread.

This for example is Glenn's signature Rickenbacker. Did he ever play it? I don't know. He does play a Rickenbacker in Love In The 21st Century in Dublin (it's the 'speeding ticket' guitar). I won't post a screenshot of it unless you ask for one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Solo%20Years/Rickenbackersmall.gif

And then there is this which was used in True Love during his solo career. I know it's a Gibson.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Solo%20Years/Revlon8.jpg

WalshFan88

05-07-2014, 07:57 PM

What's funny is JW uses the GF sig Rickenbacker all the time for slide (very prominent in F1 for slide). I've never seen Glenn with it. I will add that guitar to the list, thanks for refreshing my memory.

The "True Love" guitar is a Gibson ES-335. A great instrument and a classic.

And I LOVE details when it comes to stuff like this - the more guitars listed and specifics the better (for me anyway!)

UndertheWire

05-08-2014, 05:17 AM

I enjoy minutae even when it's in an area where I'm completely ignorant. Though maybe we need another thread where those of us who know nothing can ask very basic equestions, like "What are the pedals used for?" "How does the talkbox work?" "How do amplifiers fit in with the PA system?" and such.

shunlvswx

05-08-2014, 07:42 AM

Good question, UTW. I would love to know those things too.

WalshFan88

05-08-2014, 02:21 PM

UTW - I would be more than happy to create a thread if the masses think it would be beneficial. I love answering questions and if I can't I know lots of people who would know the answer. It would probably be best suited to the off topic section since it's more about gear questions/info than Eagles gear in particular.

Islander canuck

05-08-2014, 03:10 PM

Cool, thanks for the info:thumbsup:

sodascouts

05-08-2014, 04:29 PM

An off topic thread would be best for general guitar info. Sounds like a good idea!

WalshFan88

05-08-2014, 06:11 PM

Done!

FP - if you could grab a close up guitar screenshot of the "speeding ticket" guitar I'd like to put it into the database. :) Rather than posting pics of the guys in the first post for guitar identification, I'd like it to be a close up guitar shot so people can identify them better. But in a separate post that would be great to have pics of the guys onstage with each of them in the future. So maybe one up close of the guitar and then one zoomed out of him playing it would be fantastic! And thanks for offering to do so - I always enjoy guitar pics so feel free to post anything you'd like.

Freypower

05-08-2014, 06:38 PM

Here it is but it isn't a Rickenbacker - it's an Ibanez!!! Sorry for the error!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Dublin/21stCentury11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Dublin/21stCentury13.jpg

WalshFan88

05-08-2014, 06:39 PM

Here it is but it isn't a Rickenbacker - it's an Ibanez!!! Sorry for the error!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v242/ozeagle/Dublin/21stCentury11.jpg

Thanks! I will add it right now. I'm not sure exactly what model Ibanez it is - they made several models in that time period.

UndertheWire

05-16-2014, 06:43 AM

This is from 1980, from one of the dates in Texas or Louisiana (taken from Tom Wright's book, Roadworks).

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t450/hairynosed/setlist_zpsd415e298.jpg

Ive always been a dreamer

05-17-2014, 10:51 AM

That's pretty cool, UTW. Does he happen to say whose handwriting this is?

UndertheWire

05-17-2014, 11:29 AM

That's pretty cool, UTW. Does he happen to say whose handwriting this is?
He doesn't say. It doesn't look like Don Felder's writing, compared to his autograph, so I'd guess it's his guitar tech. (I'm assuming DF because of the doubleneck for HC). I like how one of the guitars is called "Monster" and another "Beast".

thelastresort

05-17-2014, 12:13 PM

Agreed it belongs to Felder, Telecaster on Lyin' Eyes and no-one else does guitar for ICTYW.

Ive always been a dreamer

05-17-2014, 12:55 PM

I agree with you both about it being Felder's list and it probably is his guitar tech's writing - not very likely that they wrote their own lists, even back in the day.

UndertheWire

05-17-2014, 02:39 PM

I thought this explanation from Don Felder was interesting. I doubt I can tell one guitar from another so I'd never thought of each having its own voice.

Who kicks off the guitar solo in “Hotel California,” and how did you go about making each solo guitar part stand out in the mix? — Russell Finch
I start the solo. Being in a band with three guitar players, one thing you need to do is learn to make each guitar voice sound separate and identifiable. I played a Les Paul and Joe [Walsh] played a Telecaster so that the two voices, when they spoke, had different qualities and tonalities. On every record we did back then, regardless of what I played, the other guys would play different guitars. We never played three Les Pauls. It just turns into a big train wreck.
Guitar World (http://www.guitarworld.com/dear-guitar-hero-don-felder-answers-readers-questions-about-gear-eagles-and-more)

shunlvswx

05-17-2014, 03:03 PM

Now that does make sense for Joe, Glenn and Don F having different guitars on different songs. You would want to know to who's playing at that moment or doing harmony at the same time.

So if all the guys are on electric guitar, (for example) Glenn would be on his old Black(which I have no idea what kind it is), Joe on his tele and Don F on Les Paul.

I wonder how that train wreck would sound if they all had the same guitar.

I guess that would make sense with any band that have two guitar players to have different guitars and not the same guitar.

UndertheWire

05-17-2014, 04:30 PM

"Old Black" is a Les Paul Junior. More details here (http://tttan.com/HT/boards/P.hunterkiller/1233799394.html)

shunlvswx

05-17-2014, 06:59 PM

Thanks for that info, UTW. I heard about Jackson giving him that guitar, but I didn't know the story behind it.

Since I know Old Black is LP Jr, I think I just made a train wreck since I had Don F with a LP. LOL Ok. Small change. Glenn with his old Black, Joe with the telecaster and Don F with the strato.

Freypower

05-17-2014, 07:14 PM

I agree with you both about it being Felder's list and it probably is his guitar tech's writing - not very likely that they wrote their own lists, even back in the day.

If you look at the list of guitars in the Farewell One insert, they are Glenn's guitars & I have always thought that is Glenn's handwriting.

thelastresort

05-17-2014, 08:13 PM

Anyone confirm that says 'Pedal' next to Best of My Love?

shunlvswx

05-17-2014, 08:26 PM

I think it is pedal because Don F played pedal steel guitar on that song in concert in the 70s.

WalshFan88

05-17-2014, 10:23 PM

That looks like DF's list to me.

Old Black is a LP Junior indeed, modified (see original post) for an extra pickup and new tuners.

Eagles always used a 3D guitar sound by combining humbucking and single coil guitars. If Felder was playing a Les Paul, Joe would usually play Strat or Tele. And vice versa. In the 70s Glenn pretty much exclusively played Old Black for electric other than the occasional Tele or hollowbody.

thelastresort

05-17-2014, 10:41 PM

Indeed. Now that people have mentioned it, I can't remember any one time I've seen the traditional Frey-Walsh-Felder lineup using the same model of (electric) guitar at the same time (there's some clashes when Bernie and Henley do IIRC). I had actually noticed in a few other bands with two plus guitarists, they always tend to use different guitars. Amazing how sometimes if you listen enough you'll realise when a lick changes sound on account that it's done on a different guitar etc.

----------------------

This is kinda a guitar question I guess - when Henley's upfront on guitar (like during TITTL or BOML) would he be on the same volume as Frey (also on rhythm) or would he be down a few notches?

WalshFan88

05-17-2014, 11:00 PM

This is kinda a guitar question I guess - when Henley's upfront on guitar (like during TITTL or BOML) would he be on the same volume as Frey (also on rhythm) or would he be down a few notches?

Might depend on the song but my guess is that is isn't anywhere near as present in the mix as GF's. Henley can play basic chords but he's nowhere near the rhythm player that GF is.

shunlvswx

05-17-2014, 11:07 PM

Now I'm going to listen to the songs more carefully now. LOL

I'm going to give an example of a song I notice that does have different guitar sounds. The Long Run. At the beginning, they are playing the same solo, but their guitar sound is very different.

You can kinda picked out Joe's and Don F's solos when they are playing together on HC.

thelastresort

05-17-2014, 11:10 PM

Might depend on the song but my guess is that is isn't anywhere near as present in the mix as GF's. Henley can play basic chords but he's nowhere near the rhythm player that GF is.

Indeed, I realise on stuff like LITFL and Those Shoes he'll be on a very simplified version of Glenn's work, but for the slow songs like BOML would he play anything simpler then, and would he be on the same volume as the rest?

WalshFan88

05-17-2014, 11:22 PM

Indeed, I realise on stuff like LITFL and Those Shoes he'll be on a very simplified version of Glenn's work, but for the slow songs like BOML would he play anything simpler then, and would he be on the same volume as the rest?

I'm not sure, but that might be the case.

shunlvswx

05-17-2014, 11:23 PM

In concert, on BOML everybody except Don F(and now Steuart) are playing acoustic guitars. So Don is either playing off of Glenn or Joe.

But most of the acoustic part of the show, Don is doing his famous guitar drumming when he's not singing lead.

Ive always been a dreamer

05-17-2014, 11:54 PM

If you look at the list of guitars in the Farewell One insert, they are Glenn's guitars & I have always thought that is Glenn's handwriting.

:?: :?: :?: I don't have a guitar list in my F1 insert. As for the handwriting, I'm not certain how it could be identified as Glenn's. I've only seen a couple of samples of Glenn's handwriting in printscript. To me, it doesn't seem to match, but I'm no expert.

UndertheWire

05-18-2014, 01:38 AM

If you look at the list of guitars in the Farewell One insert, they are Glenn's guitars & I have always thought that is Glenn's handwriting.
I'm trying to work this one out. I don't see how a list that shows a "doubleneck" for HC and "talkbox" for Those Shoes could be for Glenn. However, I remember an earlier discussion about an annotated setlist so I wonder if there is a similar list for Glenn that you are thinking of. If you can find it, I'd love to see it.

ETA:
I'm one of those people who spends too much time going down rabbit-holes searching for even more detail, even when I know little on the subject. I've been trying to find the setlist with Glenn's guitars but so far I've only found one from 2009 at the Takamine site (http://cf.takamine.com/img/artists/glennfrey/setlist01.jpg). However, I also found a review of the GF Signature Takamine which has an explanation of why Glenn likes his Takamine for playing live - Premier Guitar (http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Takamine_Glenn_Frey_Signature_EF360GF_Acoustic_Gui tar_Review).

GlennLover

05-18-2014, 08:11 AM

I'm trying to work this one out. I don't see how a list that shows a "doubleneck" for HC and "talkbox" for Those Shoes could be for Glenn. However, I remember an earlier discussion about an annotated setlist so I wonder if there is a similar list for Glenn that you are thinking of. If you can find it, I'd love to see it.

ETA:
I'm one of those people who spends too much time going down rabbit-holes searching for even more detail, even when I know little on the subject. I've been trying to find the setlist with Glenn's guitars but so far I've only found one from 2009 at the Takamine site (http://cf.takamine.com/img/artists/glennfrey/setlist01.jpg). However, I also found a review of the GF Signature Takamine which has an explanation of why Glenn likes his Takamine for playing live - Premier Guitar (http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Takamine_Glenn_Frey_Signature_EF360GF_Acoustic_Gui tar_Review).

These are pictures of the setlist from the inside of the cover of F1. You probably can't read the notations for the guitars. I have to get ready for church so I din't have time to type them up right now. Unless someone can take a picture in which the notations are legible I will post the list later.

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss232/1Cdn/effb7045abe6ba1ebae5fb011a3f8b40_zps459346fc.jpg

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss232/1Cdn/bf215e8144e076139e00668f5ce3f84c_zps06382dfb.jpg

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss232/1Cdn/c1113bab5b7859b5ad34b721f9c5b00d_zpsb2caac15.jpg

UndertheWire

05-18-2014, 09:32 AM

Thanks. That's probably what I was almost remembering.

thelastresort

05-18-2014, 10:52 AM

Quick one - is the Gibson ES-330 the one Glenn uses here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhH3mRkKDX8)?

shunlvswx

05-18-2014, 02:22 PM

It looks like it.

I see the three different guitars. Don F on the stratacaster, Joe on telecaster and Glenn probably on the ES330.

WalshFan88

05-18-2014, 02:27 PM

Quick one - is the Gibson ES-330 the one Glenn uses here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhH3mRkKDX8)?

Yup! He also uses it in the How Long music video IIRC.

It's a Caramel Burst ES-330.

The difference between the 330 and the 335 is the pickups. 330 has P-90 single coils and the 335 has PAF humbuckers.

WalshFan88

05-18-2014, 02:27 PM

It looks like it.

I see the three different guitars. Don F on the stratacaster, Joe on telecaster and Glenn probably on the ES330.

Exactly.

shunlvswx

05-18-2014, 02:29 PM

I was looking at the stratocaster and telecaster and they kinda look the same other than how it made. One is pointy and the other one is pointy and curve.

Is that the only difference?

WalshFan88

05-18-2014, 02:32 PM

I was looking at the stratocaster and telecaster and they kinda look the same other than how it made. One is pointy and the other one is pointy and curve.

Is that the only difference?

Very different guitars.

The Stratocaster has 3 single coil pickups, the Telecaster has two. The Stratocaster has a whammy bar (tremolo) on it, the Telecaster does not. The Tele is more "twangy" and the Strat is a bit more IMO nasally sounding. The Tele came first in 1950 (back then it was called the Broadcaster) and the Strat came in 1954. Tele is a bit more of a simplistic instrument, the Strat is more modern and elegant. I prefer Teles but this is an Eagles thread. :hilarious:

Freypower

05-18-2014, 06:40 PM

:?: :?: :?: I don't have a guitar list in my F1 insert. As for the handwriting, I'm not certain how it could be identified as Glenn's. I've only seen a couple of samples of Glenn's handwriting in printscript. To me, it doesn't seem to match, but I'm no expert.

What I should have said was the setlist reproduced by GL where the only guitars listed are the ones played by Glenn & that is why I thought he may have written it himself. I thought the writing looked similar to other handwriting I have seen of his apart from autographs (and please don't ask me to identify it, but I have seen it).

The notations are as follows:

I Can't Tell You Why - Rhodes (electric piano)
One Of These Nights - LP (Les Paul)
The Boys Of Summer - Tele
In The City - LP
Already Gone - OB (Old Black)
Love Will Keep Us Alive - 6
No More Cloudy Days - 6 (this presumably means 6 string Takamine)
You Belong To The City - Unreadable, but it does have a notation
Walk Away - LP
Sunset Grill - Unreadable but the first word is 'black'
Dirty Laundry - Unreadable but seems to have LP at the beginning
Heartache Tonight - OB
Life In The Fast Lane - OB

Ive always been a dreamer

05-18-2014, 06:55 PM

thelastresort

05-18-2014, 08:15 PM

Wouldn't YBTTC have been Rhodes as per ICTYW? Those and Wated Time were Glenn's only pieces on piano in F1 (ASWTDID was keyboard / dancing).

Freypower

05-18-2014, 08:19 PM

Wouldn't YBTTC have been Rhodes as per ICTYW? Those and Wated Time were Glenn's only pieces on piano in F1 (ASWTDID was keyboard / dancing).

Yes, but the writing on the photo is too unclear for me to read it. Actually it sort of looks like 'clav' as in clavinet.

shunlvswx

05-18-2014, 08:28 PM

Glenn's got nice handwriting for a left-hander. Lefties unite.:hilarious: Those are some crazy answers.

WalshFan88

05-18-2014, 09:08 PM

Don't want to take the thread too off-topic with a handwriting analysis, but here is one sample of Glenn's handwriting that some of us are familiar with. Honestly, I don't see much similarity but, again, I'm no expert.

http://www.glennfreyonline.com/images/GFreyUTAustin.jpg

And don't you just love Glenn's pre-show quizzes. Now, if that don't take your mind of geetars, I don't know what will! :nahnah:

Haha I love it! When was that photo taken and where?

The only thing keeping me from thinking the 1980 setlist is Glenn's is the guitars listed. Unless he's writing DF's guitar changes out.

Freypower

05-18-2014, 09:26 PM

I thought people had agreed the 1980 one is Felder's. It is the one in the Farewell One DVD insert which is Glenn's.

thelastresort

05-26-2014, 12:11 PM

What's Joe on for the new Heartache Tonight arrangement? Looks like a red SG or Carvin?

chaim

05-26-2014, 03:27 PM

Hey, a really cool thread! :thumbsup: Haven't seen this one before. I should visit this place more often and more thoroughly!

Midnight Visitor

05-27-2014, 11:02 PM

WalshFan88

05-28-2014, 12:41 AM

What's Joe on for the new Heartache Tonight arrangement? Looks like a red SG or Carvin?

Paul Reed Smith (PRS) Mira.

WalshFan88

05-28-2014, 12:42 AM

Hi Austin, sorry if this has already been asked before but what kind of guitar is Joe holding? I can't tell guitars from the back at all.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/6b1ec4093c0fefbc163734bfc79a0f54/tumblr_mw9h1ayKIX1t11t9ho1_1280.jpg

Hamer. :) Not sure the model number but if you look closely you can see the company name on the back of the headstock.

UndertheWire

05-28-2014, 05:45 AM

I have a question which isn't so much about equipment but maybe a guitarist could explain.

In the 1973 BBC concert, Don Henley drums on the back of an acoustic guitar during Train Leaves Here This Morning and for the next song, Saturday Night, he strums an acoustic guitar. However, between the two, Glenn gets up and swaps guitars with him. Any idea why?

WalshFan88

05-28-2014, 11:16 AM

UndertheWire

07-17-2014, 07:47 AM

WalshFan88

07-17-2014, 09:39 AM

Another guitar question...

In the 1973 BBC concert when Bernie and Glenn play acoustic guitars, you can see a separate microphone to pick up the sound. There's no sign of any cable attached to the guitars so these seem to be acosutic only.

In the 1977 concert (the one with the documentary), for "Lyin Eyes", Glenn is playing an acoustic guitar, there's still a separate microphone but this guitar also has a cable. The same seems to be true for the one that Joe is playing. I'm assuming this means they are electric-acoustic guitars. What make are they? Why would they still have the separate microphone?

Any idea when they made the switch?

It could just be the difference in the PA setup at the BBC show.

Why they would have a mic if it's plugged in is to capture the true acoustic sound of a guitar. A lot of times in the studio they do that too, plug it in AND record it with a closely placed mic. It causes for a bigger and often better sound than just a cable going to a PA.

UndertheWire

07-17-2014, 10:17 AM

Thanks. I thought the reason might be something like that. What do they do these days?

For Tequila Sunrise on The Helen Reddy Show, they also had the acoustics plugged in.

UndertheWire

07-22-2014, 03:49 PM

Here's a piece on the guitars used on Eagles tours. Before you read, try to guess how many they took on tour in 1994 and in 2009.

Derek Brooks of guitar manufacturer Ernie Ball/Music Man said his outfit is busy building Eagles guitarist Steuart Smith a new double-necked electric to play in "Hotel California," even though the blond double-neck they made him several years ago is still fine.
"They've changed set cosmetics around, and they asked for black instruments," Brooks said.http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/entertainment/celebrity-news/eagles-others-give-guitar-collectors-feast-for-the/nQx54/

While I'm at it, here's some pictures from 2010:
http://guitartechworks.com/2011/02/eagles-stage-shots/

zeldabjr

07-22-2014, 05:28 PM

Here's a piece on the guitars used on Eagles tours. Before you read, try to guess how many they took on tour in 1994 and in 2009.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/entertainment/celebrity-news/eagles-others-give-guitar-collectors-feast-for-the/nQx54/

While I'm at it, here's some pictures from 2010:
http://guitartechworks.com/2011/02/eagles-stage-shots/

wow was I off...I guessed 30 guitars!
love the pics...I love seeing all the behind the scenes equipment pics...I have no idea what most of it is...but it's fascinating!!

Keith

09-08-2014, 09:31 AM

Hi Austin. Thanks for the info. Just saw them in Omaha and noticed Glenn occasionally playing a 6 string Tak acoustic dred with a cut-out. I have never noticed him using a dred w/ a cut-out, and know that his signature model doesn't have one. I don't see him needing the cut-out to play rhythm. The weight difference on an acoustic is also probably minimal. Any thoughts from Austin or others?

WalshFan88

09-08-2014, 06:27 PM

It's probably not that he did it for upper fret access but just the fact it is what it is and likes the guitar for the sound, rather than needing to play in the upper register.

I've seen that guitar and it's basically another Takamine dread, just with a cutaway unlike his sig model.

Keith

09-09-2014, 05:57 AM

Thanks Austin!

VAisForEagleLovers

09-15-2014, 10:18 PM

I'll put this here since the thread is about the guitars the Eagles use. However, this is a little different, this is a collaboration between the Eagles and Duesenberg. It's a series that Duesenberg has come out with. If this has been posted before, I missed it!

http://duesenberg.de/no_cache/en/guitars/hollowbodies/eagles-guitar.html?sword_list%5B0%5D=eagles

steufan4

09-30-2014, 06:37 PM

Walshfan88 can you tell me the Mandolin and 12 String Takamine jumbo that Steuart Smith used in the Long Road Out of Eden tour? I can only find one pic of him playining it but its hard to see the mandolin. Im unsure of the 12 string although I know its not the Takamine G Series EG523SC-12 Jumbo because the pickguard is diferent and has silver hardware instead of the gold.

Here is the link for the pic i Found of the Mandolin

https://www.flickr.com/photos/youngrobv/3631816853/sizes/l/in/set-72157619737554435/

Here is a pic of his 12 string along with Magnum opus 6 string and all of his effects.

http://guitartechworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Steuart-Smith-Eagles-Stage-Rig.jpg

Any help would be great thanks

WalshFan88

10-07-2014, 10:25 AM

I'm not sure, I'm not really up to snuff on Tak's as I am Gibsons, Fenders, Martins, or Taylors...... I'll do some research.

UndertheWire

03-30-2015, 06:51 AM

When did the band (or just Glenn) start playing Takamines? When people talked about the endorsement, I assumed it was a 90s deal but it seems it goes back to the early seventies.

In an article on Frank Walecki:

At 19 years old, Walecki took over the store when rock ‘n’ roll was enjoying its Golden Age; during that time, he and his business transformed into one of the rock stars’ most trusted sources for any repair or sale of music-making equipment.
It was a time when Walecki said he helped The Eagles’ Glenn Frey get an endorsement from Takamine Guitars that kept the new band afloat, and he remembers sniping back and forth with the Grateful Dead’s roadies about whose 20-foot coiled guitar cable was superior.
http://www.malibusurfsidenews.com/malibu-luthier-finds-solace-cosentino%E2%80%99s

The article also has about the benefit concert for Walecki that Bernie Leadon organised (Don Felder mentions it in his book). For me, it's neat to see that Andy Fairweather Low was the rhythm guitarist for the event as I saw him play a couple of weeks ago. AFL only used three different guitars for the entire 2+ hour set (a Gibson, a white stratocaster and a battered accoustic held together by gaffer tape).

Ive always been a dreamer

04-04-2015, 12:24 PM

Yeah - UTW, I can't say for sure, but I would guess that Glenn and/or Bernie played Takemine's probably even pre-Eagles.

Scarlet Sun

04-04-2015, 07:22 PM

When did the band (or just Glenn) start playing Takamines? When people talked about the endorsement, I assumed it was a 90s deal but it seems it goes back to the early seventies.

In an article on Frank Walecki:

http://www.malibusurfsidenews.com/malibu-luthier-finds-solace-cosentino%E2%80%99s

The article also has about the benefit concert for Walecki that Bernie Leadon organised (Don Felder mentions it in his book). For me, it's neat to see that Andy Fairweather Low was the rhythm guitarist for the event as I saw him play a couple of weeks ago. AFL only used three different guitars for the entire 2+ hour set (a Gibson, a white stratocaster and a battered accoustic held together by gaffer tape).

I believe that Glenn is playing a 12-string Takamine acoustic in Don Kirshner's Rock Concert

WalshFan88

04-04-2015, 08:38 PM

Glenn played a Martin in the early days of the Eagles. BBC concert especially. Although in the HC music video he plays a Martin too.

I think Takamine probably was in the 70s too, but definitely gained prominence in the 90s. I have no dog in the fight of Tak's being played but I found it interesting that Glenn said when Felder smashed his guitar at Long Beach it was his cheapest - and Don said it was a Takamine in his book. :hilarious: And then the whole deal about Don didn't want to give Bill Clinton a Tak. So I think it's purely endorsement. A lot of the guitar world is like that. Obviously they have to be good enough to play, but a Takamine or an Alvarez will never be the quality of Martin or Taylor or Gibson.

WalshFan88

04-12-2015, 11:55 PM

Here's an interesting tidbit. I was watching the TLR music video and I'm pretty sure the Esquire (Tele with only one pickup) that Glenn is playing he later modified with the humbucker pickup in the front and used in his solo career and in the Long Run performance on F1.

Jonny Come Lately

04-15-2015, 03:36 PM

Hi Austin/WF88,

I've listened to You Never Cry Like A Lover a few times lately and I really love the lead guitar on it. I assume it is played by Bernie with Glenn playing the piano parts, but do you have any idea which model he (or indeed Glenn if it is him) uses on this song? I am aware that his usual guitar for his Eagles studio work in the '70s was a Fender Telecaster but this sounds a bit different to his usual sound (e.g. Peaceful Easy Feeling, Tequila Sunrise) to me. I think it sounds a bit like a Fender Stratocaster but am not an expert on distinguishing the sounds of different guitars so would love to get some clarification on this.

Thanks,
Jonny

WalshFan88

12-09-2015, 02:05 AM

Sorry for being so late on a response. 2015 proved to be a very crappy year for me and and I've been overly busy with personal matters.

I don't know exactly what guitar but it sounds definitively single coil to me, and Tele like. If it was Bernie it would definitely be a Telecaster, otherwise I think Glenn's LP Junior can get close.

Unfortunately Bernie's gear isn't well documented as well as Felder and Walsh's, even Frey's. The HOTE stuff is easier but the 70s Leadon era stuff is hard to come across.

I do know he was a fan of the guitar made by Dave Evans with butcher block wood and a B Bender that you can see on the BBC recording.

Also, I will be updating this thread very soon, and feature more BL info including the stuff he used on the HOTE tours.

WalshFan88

12-09-2015, 02:11 AM

Also, anyone seeing any "new guitars" of the guys not mentioned on the first page, please post them here so I can add them. If you are not sure if it's on there, post it anyway and I will check.

I'm adding Joe's new signature Duesenberg.

I will also be adding more amplifier details very soon, in addition to just checking what they all used on the last HOTE run to make sure I'm updated.

It's been awhile since I've went over the page so I will edit as needed.

chaim

12-09-2015, 03:43 AM

The intro/chorus lead guitar in YNCLAL sounds definitely like a Telecaster to my ears. But I have to say that when I listen to the actual solo, it could be a Stratocaster too. I'm not an expert on guitar sounds.

Jonny Come Lately

12-09-2015, 12:13 PM

Thanks for the responses - better late than never! :-D

It's funny because I always felt the YNCLAL guitars and the solo in particular sounded a bit different from Bernie's usual style (I've always thought it sounds much more rock than country IMO). Given that Glenn almost certainly played the piano parts on this song, it would make sense for Bernie to play lead guitar on this track, and therefore I think you're probably right about it being a Telecaster. When it comes to guitar sounds I have a decent chance of spotting a Stratocaster - two of my absolute favourite players (Gilmour and Knopfler) favour Strats, with Felder and Walsh using them a fair bit too of course, and there is also the distinctive sound when the tremolo arm is used - elsewhere though I struggle to distinguish between models.

NightMistBlue

12-09-2015, 12:42 PM

I think most listeners would be challenged in distinguishing the sound of different models. That's why the attribution in the HC credits of Joe playing the Gretsch on "Try and Love Again" is not particularly helpful, IMO!

Did we ever figure out who plays what, guitar-wise, on that song? I'm guessing that's Joe playing the solo, maybe Felder playing the chimey bits (such as the intro figure), Glenn on the acoustic.

scottside

12-09-2015, 01:09 PM

Jonny Come Lately

12-09-2015, 01:12 PM

I'm pretty sure the HC liner notes credit Glenn with the guitar solo on Try and Love Again. It seems like the old rule of thumb 'Glenn plays on the bassist's songs' comes into play once again! That really surprised me when I first found about it, more so than ICTYW funnily enough, which doesn't sound like something Felder or Walsh would play. I agree with you about the infamous 'Gretsch guitar' credit... I'm just listening to it right now and to me on the record it sounds like there are two electric guitars and one acoustic guitar, so I guess it was probably an electric, although the emphasis is very much on the word 'guess'!

There's quite a lot of information about TALA in this topic from a couple of years ago, although I'm afraid it doesn't definitively answer the Gretsch question! It does however reveal that in live performances Glenn handed lead guitar duties to Felder, with Walsh playing electric guitar.

https://eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4526

NightMistBlue

12-09-2015, 01:40 PM

Thank you very much. Once again, it seems I've underestimated Glenn as a lead guitarist - that is a wonderful solo on TALA.

Scottside, you are so lucky (I'm sure you already know) to have seen the Eagles perform TALA live. What was the audience reaction, do you remember?

Re: that older thread - anyone know what YT stands for? The original poster (who no longer frequents this site I don't believe) says that Randy performed the song live on the audio of YT.

chaim

12-09-2015, 01:56 PM

Glenn probably played the acoustic on Try And Love Again and later overdubbed the solo. There are several guitars harmonizing on the main "riff", and some of those were probably performed on the same takes as the (electric) rhythm parts. I considered them part of the rhythm tracks, not just overdubbed lead bits.

scottside

12-09-2015, 03:10 PM

WalshFan88

12-09-2015, 05:30 PM

I think most listeners would be challenged in distinguishing the sound of different models. That's why the attribution in the HC credits of Joe playing the Gretsch on "Try and Love Again" is not particularly helpful, IMO!

Agreed.

But once you know what each guitar sounds like it becomes a lot easier. Each guitar has a definitive sound. Even from the same manufacturer, a Les Paul is different than an SG in sound which is different than a 335, and a Tele is certainly different than a Strat.

travlnman2

08-15-2016, 08:58 PM

@WalshFan88 maybe you can help with this. On Farewell 1 and the Rock and Roll hall of fame video Glenn play's the intro with Felder/Smith but he has a capo on the second fret but is he using a different tuning? Because it sounds god awful in Standard tuning. I am recording for a demo tape and Glenn is giving me a hard time with his part lol:brickwall:.

WalshFan88

08-15-2016, 09:10 PM

Walsh fan maybe you can help with this. On Farwell 1 and the Rock and Roll hall of fame video Glenn play's the intro with Felder/Smith but he has a capo on the second fret but is he using a different tuning? Because it sounds god awful in Standard tuning. I am recording for a demo tape and Glenn is giving me a hard time with his part lol:brickwall:.

The "studio" version of HC (forgetting the original demo in Em, and Felder's lowered version in Am) was in the key of Bm.

To do this, Felder (and then Steuart) would play with a capo on a 12-string on the 7th fret and play an Em shape that makes Bm.

Glenn would play capo 2 with an Am shape, which makes it Bm.

All guitars in standard tuning, just with capos.

One trick is that in the Eagles, Glenn does not pick the strings individually, he strums them in time with stops in between each passage. Walsh plays traditional full barre chords without a capo.

The picking arpeggio is coming from Felder/Stu and them only. The other two strum off of those chords.

So the picking the individual strings is solely coming from Felder, and in later years Smith. Glenn is just strumming lightly in time with the song.

Now Glenn solo with his son, I've seen him try to pick the notes with a 2nd fret capo but it DOES sound funny when done this way but it is ok. But that is not what he is playing with the band. He only did that when there wasnt a guitar playing to play the picked intro.

travlnman2

08-15-2016, 09:56 PM

The "studio" version of HC (forgetting the original demo in Em, and Felder's lowered version in Am) was in the key of Bm.

To do this, Felder (and then Steuart) would play with a capo on a 12-string on the 7th fret and play an Em shape that makes Bm.

Glenn would play capo 2 with an Am shape, which makes it Bm.

All guitars in standard tuning, just with capos.

One trick is that in the Eagles, Glenn does not pick the strings individually, he strums them in time with stops in between each passage. Walsh plays traditional full barre chords without a capo.

The picking arpeggio is coming from Felder/Stu and them only. The other two strum off of those chords.

So the picking the individual strings is solely coming from Felder, and in later years Smith. Glenn is just strumming lightly in time with the song.

Now Glenn solo with his son, I've seen him try to pick the notes with a 2nd fret capo but it DOES sound funny when done this way but it is ok. But that is not what he is playing with the band. He only did that when there wasnt a guitar playing to play the picked intro.

THANK YOU :) 8)

I know how to play with capo and strum but they way he moves his wrist seems like he is picking along with Felder/Stu. Never knew he was only strumming.

So he does it at the beginning of each chord and at the end?

It always sounded like he was picking the acoustic with the 12 string electric.

Know I know why he always was close to Felder and Stu so he can strum and be in time.
Just needed to know if he was picking along.

travlnman2

08-15-2016, 10:02 PM

I don't even own a twelve string. So a chorused effect will do for now:cheers:

WalshFan88

08-20-2016, 08:54 PM

THANK YOU :) 8)

I know how to play with capo and strum but they way he moves his wrist seems like he is picking along with Felder/Stu. Never knew he was only strumming.

So he does it at the beginning of each chord and at the end?

It always sounded like he was picking the acoustic with the 12 string electric.

Know I know why he always was close to Felder and Stu so he can strum and be in time.
Just needed to know if he was picking along.

When the chords change and there is a brief pause, he stops strumming. He picks back up when the next chord starts. He moves his wrist only slightly, not big wide loud strums. It almost follows the bass line IMO.

travlnman2

08-23-2016, 11:11 AM

Allnighter do you still have that Guitar? I happen to be in the market for one:hilarious:

travlnman2

09-03-2016, 11:09 AM

UndertheWire

09-06-2016, 01:02 PM

Here's a recent article by Takamine's USA "point person" about Glenn, the Eagles and Takamine guitars.

http://www.esptakamine.com/articles/2002102-takamine-signature-story-glenn-frey

NightMistBlue

09-06-2016, 01:26 PM

Thank you, UtW!

"Bobby Thompson, founder of North Hollywood’s Third Encore, Nashville’s Soundcheck, and ex-Eagles tour-dog is driving me to the Frey home in Los Angeles."

VillageGirl

09-06-2016, 02:36 PM

:p Third Encore

NightMistBlue

09-06-2016, 02:42 PM

The writer didn't seem to "get" the reference, or maybe he was just too polite to say :)

I wish they would have talked about Glenn's 12-string but noooo.

WalshFan88

09-06-2016, 03:01 PM

Walshfan. Did Glenn and the others use Electric guitar amps when they plugged in their Acoustics and cover it with a sound hole? Reason I am asking is I am
looking at Acoustic Electrics for my birthday and need to know if I should get a separate amp

Glenn I know used Trace Elliot acoustic amps, that have a tweeter and are better sounding for acoustic guitars. Not sure what Joe uses for acoustics, but it might be the same or he may use a DI box into the PA. In a lot of Eagles videos you'll see Glenn's Blackface Fender Deluxe (nonreverb) electric amp and right next to it the black and green Trace Elliot acoustic amp.

I, personally, don't like the sound of an acoustic through a electric guitar amp. It just sounds like a loud clean electric guitar and doesn't have that mellow warmth it needs. I prefer a PA with a DI box (like the Fishman Aura), OR, an acoustic amp. Right now with my Taylor I use the former and I love it. Acoustic amps are nice but when you are already lugging a PA and an electric rig, I know I don't want to haul yet another sound system. lol But most of the acoustic-only players do use acoustic amps instead of the PA, but again I play acoustic so little in a show it's not worth it for me.

Soundhole plugs are great when feedback is a problem but it does take away from the natural sound a bit. I think the Eagles used them because the quietness was more important than a pure acoustic tone. Squealing guitars is worse.

UndertheWire

09-06-2016, 04:41 PM

The writer didn't seem to "get" the reference, or maybe he was just too polite to say :)

Maybe it was old news by then. According to its website, Third Encore was set up in 1989 and Soundcheck in 1992. I know Glenn was part of Soundcheck and it wouldn't surprise me if he backed Third Encore, given that it was set up by one of his faithful roadies.

Delilah

11-01-2016, 02:39 PM

Could some kind soul identify this bass guitar?
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u440/Delilah21/Randy/Randy%20playing/f08da487-962c-41ca-b1dd-37cc0ec35c9d_zpsbcltsd7g.png (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/Delilah21/media/Randy/Randy%20playing/f08da487-962c-41ca-b1dd-37cc0ec35c9d_zpsbcltsd7g.png.html)
Also, this one?
http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u440/Delilah21/Randy/Randy%20playing/19954cc3-1322-4cf9-b175-7f7c2095f95e_zpsxkjgnljp.jpg (http://s1067.photobucket.com/user/Delilah21/media/Randy/Randy%20playing/19954cc3-1322-4cf9-b175-7f7c2095f95e_zpsxkjgnljp.jpg.html)

travlnman2

11-01-2016, 07:03 PM

WalshFan88

11-01-2016, 07:21 PM

Travlnman is correct on the top one.

The bottom one is a Music Man Sterling bass.

WalshFan88

11-01-2016, 07:24 PM

On another note, I've been meaning to update this thread with more guitars the guys used. I need to do that soon, been promising it and I've not felt much motivation (winter sucks for me and my mood) but I will soon.

I will add the Music Man bass right now. I will also try to think of more guitars the other guys use. If ya'll could check the first page and cross reference any you might think of, and see if they are there, that would be a big help. If they aren't, please post the name and model of guitar, and a pic is even better.

Delilah

11-01-2016, 09:01 PM

Thank you both, Travelnman and Walshfan. I'm interested in learning about Randy's bass guitars and this is a big help. NightMistBlue has also been helping on the Randy thread.:thumbsup:

travlnman2

11-01-2016, 09:12 PM

travlnman2

11-01-2016, 09:13 PM

Randy also has a very distinguishble Bass tone. Its very high based and tightened also based (no pun intended) on grove while Timmothy is more relaxed and with the flow type of person

WalshFan88

11-01-2016, 09:48 PM

Randy also has a very distinguishble Bass tone. Its very high based and tightened also based (no pun intended) on grove while Timmothy is more relaxed and with the flow type of person

Agreed, they are quite different stylistically.

Also, Randy used a Precision Bass most often which has a punchy heavier sound. The Jazz Bass Timothy prefers has a smoother, warm tone that is more softer. They both played other basses but those are the two basses I associate with each.

WalshFan88

11-01-2016, 09:50 PM

Since i also play music I might hear how the Eagles or any other band sounds becasuse I am able to solo diffrent parts.

On another note I just placed ny order for my first 12 string acoustic guitar. Should be here in 4-6 buisness days. Or as I like to call it after Armageddon :D

12-String guitars are very fun, although if you are used to light strings on a 6 string acoustic, it might prove challenging until you build up the strength. I like light strings on acoustic to be able to play leads in a solo show and if I put the 12-String down for too long, I have to spend a day or so getting the muscles back. It also helps if your 12-String has low action. Mine is an old 70s Yamaha and it is a bear to play but good sound so I stick with it.

travlnman2

11-01-2016, 09:51 PM

I use a Squire P bass which also has a jazz bass pickup

WalshFan88

11-01-2016, 09:53 PM

I use a Squire P bass which also has a jazz bass pickup

Ah, those are called a PJ bass...very cool combination of both pickup types.

travlnman2

11-01-2016, 09:54 PM

12-String guitars are very fun, although if you are used to light strings on a 6 string acoustic, it might prove challenging until you build up the strength. I like light strings on acoustic to be able to play leads in a solo show and if I put the 12-String down for too long, I have to spend a day or so getting the muscles back. It also helps if your 12-String has low action. Mine is an old 70s Yamaha and it is a bear to play but good sound so I stick with it.

Thanks for the heads up. I like light strings on my acoustics because of the tone it produces which is a bright jangleing type of tone. I also ordered a pack of light string for my 12 string so i am going to change them when it gets hear

travlnman2

11-01-2016, 09:55 PM

Ah, those are called a PJ bass...very cool combination of both pickup types.

It is. But for the bass tone I like I HAVE to use heavey gauge because I prefer a thick tight low tone.

WalshFan88

11-01-2016, 10:06 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I like light strings on my acoustics because of the tone it produces which is a bright jangleing type of tone. I also ordered a pack of light string for my 12 string so i am going to change them when it gets hear

Precisely why I use them as well as easier bending. I don't want a boomy, bassy, deep sound. Bright and jangly is my jam as well.

NightMistBlue

11-02-2016, 09:58 AM

Travlnman is correct on the top one.

The bottom one is a Music Man Sterling bass.

Thank you, gentlemen! I'm not familiar with the Music Man brand, but have noticed some very fine-looking 6-strings by that manufacturer.

Congrats on your new 12-string, Travlnman. Epiphones are great.

WalshFan88

11-02-2016, 05:37 PM

Thank you, gentlemen! I'm not familiar with the Music Man brand, but have noticed some very fine-looking 6-strings by that manufacturer.

Congrats on your new 12-string, Travlnman. Epiphones are great.

They make good guitars. Lot of top names use them.

For me their guitars are a little too small for me, despite being regular scale.

I have a Silhouette and it's looks like a toy when I'm playing it, but then again I'm 6'8 and built to match.

That said, great guitars...

The company was started by none other than Leo Fender after he left Fender. Then he left Music Man to the Ernie Ball company and started G&L with another partner from Fender.

travlnman2

11-02-2016, 07:17 PM

They make good guitars. Lot of top names use them.

For me their guitars are a little too small for me, despite being regular scale.

I have a Silhouette and it's looks like a toy when I'm playing it, but then again I'm 6'8 and built to match.

That said, great guitars...

The company was started by none other than Leo Fender after he left Fender. Then he left Music Man to the Ernie Ball company and started G&L with another partner from Fender.
Leo fender did not even know how to play music lol. Walshfan is music your career?

I am working on a cover of a Great Gnr song called There Was A Time released on Chinese Democracy and still played with Slash and Duff back. But Buckethead does a great solo at the end. I used my Epiphone Les Paul plugged into my PC using a program called Mixcraft with a amp sim called Amplitube. So I just recorded the solo with my LP and simd through a Solid State Peavy with a Vintage Marshall Cab with a enveloped filter pedal and a Overdrive pedal. I am still working it out.

https://soundcloud.com/stephen-masi-89354061/there-was-a-time-solo-2

WalshFan88

11-02-2016, 08:06 PM

Leo fender did not even know how to play music lol. Walshfan is music your career?

I am working on a cover of a Great Gnr song called There Was A Time released on Chinese Democracy and still played with Slash and Duff back. But Buckethead does a great solo at the end. I used my Epiphone Les Paul plugged into my PC using a program called Mixcraft with a amp sim called Amplitube. So I just recorded the solo with my LP and simd through a Solid State Peavy with a Vintage Marshall Cab with a enveloped filter pedal and a Overdrive pedal. I am still working it out.

https://soundcloud.com/stephen-masi-89354061/there-was-a-time-solo-2

Sounds good! I like it.

Leo Fender didn't play. Neither did Jim Marshall, inventor of Marshall amps lol. Most small business gear makers (guitars, amps, pedals) that are a small business do play though....

I wish music was my career, and I wasn't in the situation I'm in. I'm medically disabled for reasons I won't get into on here, and I'm on the autism spectrum with severe troubles with interactions in real life due to social awkwardness and social anxiety. I only meet people I trust and have previously met online and built a rapport with. I basically get out for doctor appointments and occasional concerts because there are thousands of people and I don't have to worry about them approaching me or being the spotlight so to speak. I'm pretty quiet, shy, reserved, introverted, etc - but you'd never know it from my posts here and my activity on social media. It's my outlet, lol. I'm the opposite in real life.

That said, I do play music a lot as a hobby and do occasional gigs with a group of guys in the summertime when everyone is off work or not busy. We do maybe 6-8 shows a year as a classic rock/country cover band. We don't tour, we just play around the area and backyard parties and small festivals and venues. For some reason if I put my guitar on and put a pair of sunglasses on, I tend to forget I'm being watched and can play. The guys I play with broke me out of my shell and taught me how to play live and I thank them for it greatly. It's my only time I'm out of the house except medical reasons.

I wish I could be a touring sideman or session guitarist, but it just isn't in the cards...that said, that will never affect the way I'm interested in it as I get to play for me, and occasionally for a group of others I'll never meet. I like it that way.

travlnman2

11-02-2016, 08:12 PM

Sounds good! I like it.

Leo Fender didn't play. Neither did Jim Marshall, inventor of Marshall amps lol. Most small business gear makers (guitars, amps, pedals) that are a small business do play though....

I wish music was my career, and I wasn't in the situation I'm in. I'm medically disabled for reasons I won't get into on here, and I'm on the autism spectrum with severe troubles with interactions in real life due to social awkwardness and social anxiety. I only meet people I trust and have previously met online and built a rapport with. I basically get out for doctor appointments and occasional concerts because there are thousands of people and I don't have to worry about them approaching me or being the spotlight so to speak. I'm pretty quiet, shy, reserved, introverted, etc - but you'd never know it from my posts here and my activity on social media. It's my outlet, lol. I'm the opposite in real life.

That said, I do play music a lot as a hobby and do occasional gigs with a group of guys in the summertime when everyone is off work or not busy. We do maybe 6-8 shows a year as a classic rock/country cover band. We don't tour, we just play around the area and backyard parties and small festivals and venues. For some reason if I put my guitar on and put a pair of sunglasses on, I tend to forget I'm being watched and can play. The guys I play with broke me out of my shell and taught me how to play live and I thank them for it greatly. It's my only time I'm out of the house except medical reasons.

I wish I could be a touring sideman or session guitarist, but it just isn't in the cards...that said, that will never affect the way I'm interested in it as I get to play for me, and occasionally for a group of others I'll never meet. I like it that way.
Just to let you know I also have Social Anxeity and whisj you wel and pray you eventually become more outgoing :)

NightMistBlue

11-03-2016, 01:29 PM

I have social anxiety too, though I do work and I guess could be considered high functioning in some areas.

WalshFan, how did you meet the guys in your band? They sound nice.

Does anyone know what type of guitar Joe is playing here? I would like to try a smaller guitar like this. As Glenn said, I'm looking for one I can play :)

https://scontent-mia1-2.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14884434_585184451667054_379997904125432374_o.jpg

Jonny Come Lately

11-03-2016, 03:53 PM

Without wanting to get too far away from guitar discussion, I admire the honesty of people in this thread talking about social anxiety. I'm not sure if I count as having social anxiety as such, but I can relate to it as I do have Asperger's (mild autism) and don't tend to enjoy social interactions much in real life. I empathise with Randy's shyness in front of big crowds. I also relate to what Austin said about being more outspoken online - I can go on and on and on about things sometimes, as you probably know! In real life I'm a lot more reserved, especially when I'm new to someone.

I'm not a guitarist (or a musician) myself, but I really enjoy learning about the guitars that the Eagles use or have used. It's particularly interesting with the Eagles I think because there had several players, each of whom had his own distinct style and I like being able to tell which guy is playing on which song. I remember once hearing Jimmy Page (think it might have been a clip from It Might Get Loud) saying that one of the best things about guitar playing was the tactile element, the difference that the player themselves can make, and I agree with that - to give one example, Don F used a Fender Stratocaster on both New Kid In Town and Victim Of Love, but the guitar styles in those two songs is quite different.

Looking at the photo NMB posted, Steuart is playing a double neck guitar and both him and Joe appear to be soloing simultaneously... I wonder which song they could be playing? :wink: I really don't know, it could be absolutely anything! :hilarious:

GlennLover

11-03-2016, 04:21 PM

Well I'm a member of the social anxiety disorder club too. Although it seems to be a major thing to me, I'm not a severe case.

NightMistBlue

11-03-2016, 04:27 PM

And the thing about Jimmy is you can recognize his tone, no matter what he's playing and what particular treatment the sound is subjected to! It's quite an interesting topic. I remember listening to an interview with producer Hugh Padgham on the BBC, and he made no bones about the tone of a guitar being entirely down to the guitarist's individual and unique touch.

I apologize for the hugeness of the photo I posted above.

WalshFan88

11-03-2016, 05:00 PM

Joe's guitar is an Ernie Ball Music Man Silhouette.

Steuart's guitar is an Ernie Ball Music Man Silhouette Doubleneck.

Strangely, enough, Joe's Silhouette is not as they come from the factory. Those guitars come with either 3 Strat pickups or 2 humbuckers (like on a Gibson). He has custom modified that guitar for TELECASTER pickups, neck and bridge, which is not something Ernie Ball does. He did that because he used a Tele on Hotel California, and it gets that sound while still playing a Music Man. But that's not how they come.

WalshFan88

11-03-2016, 05:03 PM

Glad to know I'm not alone.

JCL, I'm Aspergers as well. Although with the DSM-5 in the US they quit calling it that and quit calling Autism, Autism. Now they are just a "Autism Spectrum Disorder" and you are either low or high functioning. It's a scale based thing. No more Aspergers, PDD-NOS, Autism, etc. I'm high functioning, but with severe social issues. But "back in the day", I was considered Aspergers.

Delilah

11-03-2016, 05:47 PM

Is Joe's guitar the same as the one here?
https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6414

If I'm not mistaken, that's the same one Joe used at the '76 Houston concert when the band first started performing Hotel California (the same one where Don F hit some bum notes).

WalshFan88

11-03-2016, 05:51 PM

Nope, that is a Fender Stratocaster or Strat for short.

Similar body shape, Music Man Silhouettes are basically Strats lol.

WalshFan88

11-03-2016, 09:24 PM

I just updated the Guitar Identifier with a few more models. Some the guys have used, some haven't, but are all very popular.

NightMistBlue

11-04-2016, 09:53 AM

Where's this Guitar Identifier you speak of, Austin?

Thank you for all your input :yay:

WalshFan88

11-04-2016, 05:24 PM

Where's this Guitar Identifier you speak of, Austin?

Thank you for all your input :yay:

It is on the very first page of this thread, the first post by me has a long post and at the bottom of that first post are pictures of almost every guitar model, and all of the ones the guys have used. It's a good reference point and if it's not there or you're not sure, feel free to post here and I'll add it to the list.

WalshFan88

11-22-2019, 11:50 AM

I decided to revisit this thread. I was/am proud of it and the info on it.

None of the pictures were there! :stunned:

So, thanks to Tinypic, my pics are now all gone of the individual guitar models for the "guitar identifier" section. Evidently, they went out of business. So I will try to reupload the pics here soon on Imgur, who still exists and is free, lol, and try again. I've deleted the Tinypic message for each pic saying "we went under", but left the names of the models as a placeholder so I know where to put what. I used to use Flickr until they went under, then Photobucket and then they went under, so I switched to Tinypic who is now defunct, and now I will be using Imgur. What is it with free photo hosting for forum posts that offer IMG codes?

NightMistBlue

11-22-2019, 02:27 PM

I dunno Austin, but I sure appreciate your guitar expertise.

sodascouts

11-23-2019, 12:27 PM

That's awful! It's the problem with using third party services - in the end, you can't control what happens to them, and by extension the content you entrust to them. This thread is five years old, after all.

Indeed, when I think about the fact that this board has now been around almost 13 years (!), 14 if you count Flip City, I guess it's understandable that we've outlasted some of these third party websites!

Still... How sucky!

I echo NMB - thank you all your information, and the time and trouble you're taking.

New Kid In Town

11-26-2019, 12:33 PM

Austin, I agree with NMB and Soda. Thanks for all the work you do explaining the various guitars the guys plays and helping us understand the guitar lingo.
WOW - almost 13 years ! Amazing - way to go Soda ! Many thanks for all the work you and the other mods do to keep this site going.

CAinOH

11-26-2019, 01:41 PM

Let me add my appreciation. I don't know a lick about guitars (see what I did there), Austin... but I am in awe of your knowledge and appreciate your sharing.

WalshFan88

11-26-2019, 07:43 PM

Thanks all.

Rest assured, I'm working on it.

My dad just had spinal fusion surgery, I rolled my ankle trying to help him out of a chair with my mom, and so I've been a little preoccupied. By the time 9pm rolls around I get online and do stuff for a couple hours and go to bed thoroughly exhausted.

WalshFan88

12-14-2019, 01:17 AM

The pictures have been restored to the guitar identifier (for now).

Now I'm just waiting for Imgur to go under so I can do it again, lol!

Scamp

12-05-2022, 09:56 AM

Just caught bak up with this thread.
Joe uses auditorium shape acoustic guitars mostly, the others use dreadnoughts. He does this for the same reason he likes to use a different pu on his electric guitar when playing with someone, single vs double. They are a little different in sound and he feel it enhances the overall sound of the guitars.
Also Joe has used Ovation, probably Adama model, at times. He has said he doesn't like them but you can see him using a 12 string when he sang with Sara Evans and six string, red sunburst, at times. I could have sworn I saw him playing a banjo in an early picture, 75?, of the Eagles. The picture mostly showed Don but you could see Joe off to the side and it looks like he has a banjo.

WalshFan88

06-28-2023, 01:26 PM

I was revisiting this thread today and remembered the better times when I made this thread and how much I was proud of compiling all this information and realized I haven't done anything with it in such a long time. Better times in how I'm doing personally, better times in the country, and also better times because Glenn was still here. While I have absolutely zero interest in the band that is touring right now or what gear they may use or documenting it, if someone wanted to add to this thread in a comment with those details of what Vince and Deacon are playing I would be fine with that. Steuart is still using the same gear from what little I've seen of it. And if someone wanted to create a whole new thread in the Guests section with that new information that would be fine as well, you wouldn't be stealing my thunder so to speak and I encourage you to do so. It's just not something I have any interest in researching as it's quite painful for me. My feelings on the new band haven't changed with time but I've reached a point in that I just don't care anymore. It is what it is and I've moved on and am over the drama and the strife. I still love their records, the guys who made the music, and I just focus on that.

I did just change the title on the list of the gear the band was using at the time I wrote it (HOTE tour) from being used "currently" to "HOTE tour" so there would be no confusion. I still plan to add more details to the original post as I think of them as it pertains to 70s through HOTE and will try to keep the guitar identifier section current as to new guitars coming out that people might want to be able to identify. I really feel like this thread was perhaps my greatest contribution to the Border albeit a very small one. And I feel like I should at least try to maintain it as much as I may not be as social as I once was or as active here as I once was. Things have changed in my life outside of the band changes and I just don't do a lot of social media or message boards anymore. I feel like so many things have changed since this thread was made and while in part, it's not all just 3.0 that has changed things for me. I yearn for better times not just for me but for all of us and I hope that there will be something down the road. Until then...

Ive always been a dreamer

06-30-2023, 11:13 AM

Thank you for your contributions Austin. Unfortunately, I am unable to contribute here because I have zero knowledge about any musical instruments. :fear:

Scamp

07-11-2023, 10:13 AM

WalshFan88
You did a wonderful job on your guitar post. So much info. I remember back in the 60's it was common for people with 12 strings to tune them down a 1/2 step and capo the first fret or even a whole step and capo the second fret. This put the guitar back into the normal tuning but less tension on he strings, easier to play. Also the older 12 strings were known for breaking necks. They were just a 6 string body and neck that the maker converted into a 12 string. Now they are made from the start as a 12 string.
I've been trying to figure out what electric 12 string Joe played in the HFO tour. He's playing it when Don is singing. I've got the tune in my head but can't think of the song now. Don refers to it is when the west was lost. Joe's guitar looks like a strat 12 string by what I can see of it in the video. Maybe a FSR model by the headstock.
I love 12 strings and have a few of my own including a 1975 Ovation Deacon electric, Ovation 12 string, Gretsch electric 12, A Fender Strat 12 and my newest is a Seagull 12 string concert acoustic. Shoulder problems forced me to go to the smaller concert size guitar. A lot more comfortable to play.
Once again I really enjoyed your post and went back recently and read all 18 pages.
Thank you for doing all the work.

WalshFan88

07-11-2023, 08:51 PM

Thanks Dreamer and Scamp.

Scamp - I'll have to check and see what that was. I don't remember it off the top of my head.

I know if I haven't played for awhile I need to play my 6 string acoustic for at least a week straight before I pick up the 12 string. Definitely requires more grip strength but also thicker calluses.

Scamp

07-12-2023, 08:21 AM

WalshFan88

The song is The Last Resort. Couldn't remember it the other day but it was in my head.
You have to watch towards the end of the song you can see it the best. I'm thinking a ST- XII-MIJ. I know they made them starting in the mid 80's I think. Fender will decide to make run of them every so often.
Its hard to get a good look at the headstock but towards the end of the song when they all gather around Scott you can see it better.

Scamp

07-12-2023, 09:27 AM

Just found this picture of Joe playing what looks like an Ernie Ball Bass with Stuart in Hoel California

https://images.equipboard.com/uploads/source/image/8569/24m4z5y.jpg

Found this picture on reverb. It looks similar to the one Joe is playing
2703

WalshFan88

07-13-2023, 12:19 AM

That does look like an MIJ 12 String Stratocaster.

Also that's not an Ernie Ball bass he's playing - it's a Silhouette model that he's routed for Tele pickups. They don't come that way. They come with humbuckers.

Scamp

07-13-2023, 10:00 AM

I'm not that familiar with basses other than I like the sound of them. It figures with Joe it wouldn't be your normal run of the mill. LOL
I noticed he doesn't play electric 12 strings anymore with the Eagles. They seem to have gotten away from it and use just a lot of acoustic 12's.