Underrated Eagles Song Survivor

[sodascouts]

Gosh, I went away for the weekend and I missed quite a bit!

Looks like there might be a shot for the one I've been voting for to reach the end of the line soon! Very sorry to see "My Man" go, though, even though I also adore "Ol' 55."

I cast my vote for Long Road Out of Eden.

[zeldabjr]

I'm voting for After the Thrill is Gone

[Desperada]

After the Thrill is Gone

[Funk 50]

Originally Posted by thelastresort
I do love how Do Something features the line 'I pick up the morning paper, and all the news is bad', when one of the song's three writers goes to great levels slating journalism for misrepresenting just about everything


I can only guess you're talking about Tim, it couldn't possibly be Don 'journalism dead and gone' Henley could it? Next thing you'll be saying that Henley wrote Dirty Laundry. :)

I forgot about Dirty Laundry!

Did the line "I pick up the morning paper and all the news is bad" come from the guy who delivered that stinging rebuke of modern journalism or an 8 year old child?

[Glennsallnighter]

Good Day in Hell

[BBKron]

I vote for After the Thrill is Gone. Great song, but very well-recognized as a great song, considered one of the best on OOTN. So, it is not really underrated.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

I love all the remaining songs, but my vote goes to the one that I feel should go next ...

I cast my vote for Do Something.

[UK TimFan]

I can't (sadly) save 'Do something', so I'll continue to vote 'The sad cafe' this time.

However, if it's needed in order to banish it from the island, I'll vote for 'Good day in hell' next round.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

The next song to be eliminated in the Underrated Eagles Song Survivor is Do Something. “Do Something, you opened this thread and all the news is bad. Don’t feel sorry for yourself, but the tribe has spoken. You need to find some place left to go, and get on the road you’ll be traveling. Now, please leave the island immediately.

Votes
Do Something – 7
Good Day In Hell – 6
After the Thrill Is Gone – 4
Long Road Out of Eden – 2
The Sad Café – 2

Vote Breakdown
Do Something – thelastresort
Do Something – scottside
Do Something – Funk 50
Do Something – WalshFan88
Do Something – GlennLover
Do Something – Jonny Come Lately
Do Something – Ive always been a dreamer
Good Day In Hell – Lacken101
Good Day In Hell – DevineDon
Good Day In Hell – VAisForEagleLovers
Good Day In Hell – shunlvswx
Good Day In Hell – LA Eagle
Good Day In Hell – Glennsallnighter
After the Thrill Is Gone – Freypower
After the Thrill Is Gone – zeldabjr
After the Thrill Is Gone – Desperada
After the Thrill Is Gone – BBKron
Long Road Out of Eden – UndertheWire
Long Road Out of Eden – sodascouts
The Sad Café – Brooke
The Sad Café – UK TimFan

Songs eliminated:
Most of Us Are Sad 1/29
The Last Resort 1/31
James Dean 2/02
Too Many Hands 2/04
Pretty Maids All in a Row 2/06
Bitter Creek 2/08
Those Shoes 2/10
My Man 2/12
Ol' 55 2/14
Do Something 2/16

Songs remaining:
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise
Good Day in Hell
After the Thrill Is Gone
The Sad Cafe
Long Road Out of Eden

Voting for Round Eleven begins now.

[thelastresort]

Good Day in Hell

[DivineDon]

Good Day in Hell - gosh, it's getting tougher but I love ATTIG and reckon it's underrated by non-diehard Eagles' fans who might not be as aware of it as they are of others :-(

[scottside]

I vote for "After The Thrill Is Gone." This was a hard one!

[WalshFan88]

Long Road Out Of Eden

[BBKron]

Again, I love ATTIG, but I don't think it is really very underrated. It was included on the Greatest Hits Vol.2 album (that is, the Greatest HITS album, not just the Very Best of compilations, which include some of the great but lesser-known songs). It is considered one of the best songs from OOTN, and it is just very highly regarded among hard-core and casual fans alike.

So, of the songs left, I think it is it the least underrated. This is not an indication of the quality of the song or how much I like it versus the others, but it just is not as underrated as the others.

I vote for After The Thrill Is Gone.

[L101]

I vote for Good Day in Hell

ATTIG is much more underrated as a song as its definitely not as well known as GDIH

[UndertheWire]

Long Road Out of Eden

[Freypower]

That's very disappointing. Once again I vote for After The Thrill Is Gone. Good Day In Hell is one of the band's least known songs. Only real hard cores seem to know it.

[Funk 50]

After The Thrill Is Gone somehow made it onto the Eagles Greatest Hits 2 Album. What a downer to finish an album, never mind a career on.

Thankfully the Eagles returned. It's Your World Now is a better ending although I really hope it's not.

I vote for After The Thrill Is Gone.

[Freypower]

Not only is it on GH2, it's on Selected Works. It's the last track on the Ballads CD.

[L101]

That's very disappointing. Once again I vote for After The Thrill Is Gone. Good Day In Hell is one of the band's least known songs. Only real hard cores seem to know it.

Maybe the reason that GDIH is one of the bands least known songs among the general fan base is that its not a particularly good song.
I know some people will disagree with me and say that its one of their early rockier songs but IMO it just doesn't sit well and I just find it boring and tend to switch off half way through it. I consider myself a 'hard core fan' and this is only a handful of songs that I truly don't like.

I'm not the best at describing the songs like some people are on here (who are very informative and make me look at songs in a different light) but GDIH just does not work - to me on this song, they sound like a tribute band in my local pub :grin: I listened to it again while I was writing this but :unimpressed:

ATTIG is a great song - it encompasses all that is the Eagles - great music, harmonies and a good story. But it is still not very well known among the general fans even if it is on GH albums ..... sometimes songs just get missed out on and this is one!

[VAisForEagleLovers]

Yes, I do know Good Day in Hell, and I continue to try and get it out of my head. I agree, Lacken, sometimes there's a reason a song isn't well known. The distortion on the guitars is far too much for me to take, and I hate to say this, but I detest the vocals on this song. It's not normal singing, and they slide from note to note. The tones of their voices leave a lot to be desired. So, again, I vote for Good Day in Hell.

[WalshFan88]

Yes, I do know Good Day in Hell, and I continue to try and get it out of my head. I agree, Lacken, sometimes there's a reason a song isn't well known. The distortion on the guitars is far too much for me to take, and I hate to say this, but I detest the vocals on this song. It's not normal singing, and they slide from note to note. The tones of their voices leave a lot to be desired. So, again, I vote for Good Day in Hell.

Say it isn't so VA! :hilarious:

I love the hard rock distortion and turned up to 11 amplifiers. :D

[VAisForEagleLovers]

Say it isn't so VA! :hilarious:

I love the hard rock distortion and turned up to 11 amplifiers. :D

Sorry!! Normally I don't mind it, but this gives me a headache!

[Jonny Come Lately]

Having had some time to think I about it I have decided to vote for After The Thrill Is Gone.

I think is an excellent song and is underrated by casual fans and critics (who will tell you that the three singles are by far the best songs on OOTN, when ATTIG is on the same level), but equally I agree with BBKron's view as I concur that the song is very popular within the fanbase, to the point of being legitimately described as a fan favourite. Even the people on here who don't like ATTIG generally acknowledge that they hold a minority view on the song, something which I wouldn't expect someone who didn't care for songs like Too Many Hands or I Wish You Peace to say. According to the liner notes of the Very Best Of, it has Don and Glenn's seals of approval too - they both speak about liking the song.

Even if ATTIG does go, I think the fact it has stayed in the game so long is a reflection that is both popular within the fanbase and an underrated Eagles song.

I definitely think Good Day In Hell is underrated, however. It is one of the most inexplicable exclusions from the Selected Works box set in my view, especially when one considers how hard rocking it is - there may have been a case for including it on the Early Years disc, but stylistically (and this includes the lyrics and mood as well as the music) it would be a much better fit on the Fast Lane disc, which as we know includes essential Eagles classics such as The Disco Strangler, Born To Boogie and Random Victims Part 3. Of course, the Fast Lane disc also excludes VOL and Those Shoes, both of which are great, but at least they were on the Millennium Concert live disc!

I love the aggressive rock style of GDIH, which suits its lyrics perfectly. If I was to make a list of the hardest rocking Eagles songs it would be in the top ten for sure, and probably the top five, and indeed it would not seem out of place on any hard rock playlist I would make for myself. As I'm sure I've said before, Felder's slide guitar playing on the track is storming and I don't think it's difficult to see why the band was so keen to bring him in full time.

Having thought about it, I've just remembered that all five of the songs left made my top ten most underrated list. No wonder it's so difficult for me to decide at this stage!

[Glennsallnighter]

With all the excitement coming out of Australia I nearly forgot this. This round I vote off 'Good Day in Hell'

[zeldabjr]

the more I listen to Good Day in Hell...the more I love it...so I am voting for After the Thrill is Gone

I would love to hear Good Day in Hell live!!!

[GlennLover]

Long Road Out Of Eden. I'm splitting hairs at this point!

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Don't know where all our voters are this round, but it's hard to say if the final outcome would be affected if we had more votes. I hate to see any of these song go at this point. In the sense that I think ATTIG is just as good as the top three big hits from the OOTN album, I still believe it is very underrated. Since I don't think I can save it ...

I cast my vote for Long Road Out of Eden.

[UK TimFan]

I vote for 'Good day in hell'

Edited to add:
Not because I want to save ATTIG, but because I did say in the last round that is my vote was needed to get rid of GDIH, then that's the way I would vote.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well, we have our first tie of the game, so by virtue of the tiebreaker rule, the next song to be eliminated in the Underrated Eagles Song Survivor is After the Thrill Is Gone. “After the Thrill Is Gone, it's not quite like you planned, but the tribe has spoken. Your flame rose but now it descends - you didn't care about winning but you didn't want to lose. But time passes and you must move on so please leave the island immediately.

Votes
After the Thrill Is Gone – 6
Good Day In Hell – 6
Long Road Out of Eden – 4

Previous Votes
After the Thrill Is Gone – 11
Good Day In Hell – 8

Vote Breakdown
After the Thrill Is Gone – scottside
After the Thrill Is Gone – BBKron
After the Thrill Is Gone – Freypower
After the Thrill Is Gone – Funk 50
After the Thrill Is Gone – Jonny Come Lately
After the Thrill Is Gone – zeldabjr
Good Day In Hell – thelastresort
Good Day In Hell – DevineDon
Good Day In Hell – Lacken101
Good Day In Hell – VAisForEagleLovers
Good Day In Hell – Glennsallnighter
Good Day In Hell – UK TimFan
Long Road Out of Eden – WalshFan88
Long Road Out of Eden – UndertheWire
Long Road Out of Eden – GlennLover
Long Road Out of Eden – Ive always been a dreamer

Songs eliminated:
Most of Us Are Sad 1/29
The Last Resort 1/31
James Dean 2/02
Too Many Hands 2/04
Pretty Maids All in a Row 2/06
Bitter Creek 2/08
Those Shoes 2/10
My Man 2/12
Ol' 55 2/14
Do Something 2/16
After the Thrill Is Gone 2/18

Songs remaining:
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise
Good Day in Hell
The Sad Cafe
Long Road Out of Eden

Voting for Round Twelve begins now.

[WalshFan88]

Boo!

TBH, the only ones I like that are left are Good Day In Hell and The Sad Cafe..

And with that said, I vote for Long Road Out Of Eden

[UK TimFan]

I vote for 'Good day in hell'

Edited to add:
Not because I want to save ATTIG, but because I did say in the last round that is my vote was needed to get rid of GDIH, then that's the way I would vote.
Double drat, and fiddle-sticks! (Do we have a smilie for 'stupid'?)
I mis-counted, so thought my vote for GDIH meant that it had 6 votes and ATTIG had 5.

[Freypower]

Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise

[sodascouts]

OK guys, it made it to Final Four, but now IT MUST GO!

Join me at last, peeps! ;)

I cast my vote for Long Road Out of Eden.

[L101]

Sorry Soda, have to vote for Good day in hell but as soon as that day has ended, I'll be on the long road with you :grin:

[Funk 50]

Mmm... Long Road Out Of Eden is a mighty lyric, maybe too many American references to be universal, a powerful chorus and a breathtaking searing guitar solo from Walsh. It's an ambitious undertaking. I can't think of any track that reflects the Iraqi conflict better, for those who wouldn't rather forget it.

I'm not too keen on the plodding tempo, not quite a military march and imho, a below standard Henley lead vocal.
Henley was definitely one of my favourite voices of the twentieth century, I think he's dropped a notch or two since Inside Job.

There's nothing really exceptional about The Sad Cafe. Not as bad as the worst tracks on The Long Run but not as good as the best. Being familiar with the Hotel California and Eagles Live albums, plus all the hits that were always played on the radio, I was disappointed with The Sad Cafe when I first heard it. I expected something better.

I'm voting for the bits and pieces track, Doolin-Dalton/Desperado reprise

Maybe the Long Road Out Of Eden track could've benefited from an edit and a reprise.

[GlennLover]

Mmm... Long Road Out Of Eden is a mighty lyric, maybe too many American references to be universal, a powerful chorus and a breathtaking searing guitar solo from Walsh. It's an ambitious undertaking. I can't think of any track that reflects the Iraqi conflict better, for those who wouldn't rather forget it.

I'm not too keen on the plodding tempo, not quite a military march and imho, a below standard Henley lead vocal.
Henley was definitely one of my favourite voices of the twentieth century, I think he's dropped a notch or two since Inside Job.

There's nothing really exceptional about The Sad Cafe. Not as bad as the worst tracks on The Long Run but not as good as the best. Being familiar with the Hotel California and Eagles Live albums, plus all the hits that were always played on the radio, I was disappointed with The Sad Cafe when I first heard it. I expected something better.

I'm voting for the bits and pieces track, Doolin-Dalton/Desperado reprise

Maybe the Long Road Out Of Eden track could've benefited from an edit and a reprise.

I'm with you, Soda. I vote Long Road Out of Eden.

[thelastresort]

Good Day in Hell

[scottside]

I vote for "Long Road Out Of Eden," but in truth, it could've been any one of three this time. There's one that I hope makes it to the end.

[DivineDon]

Good Day in Hell you have to go!!!

It's a good song, don't get me wrong, but hardly epic...:eyebrow:

[UndertheWire]

I listened to three different live versions of Good Day in Hell (one pre-Felder) and it wasn't as good as I remembered. It was interesting to hear the difference between Felder on lead and (presumably) Glenn. The Felder versions were more powerful (although some of that was the guitar was louder in the mix - too loud as it interfered with the vocals at times) with a longer solo (rather repetive), but the guitar part was very similar.

Today, I'm voting for Good Day in Hell.

[Funk 50]

Where did you hear the Pre-Felder version of Good Day In Hell, UndertheWire?

I'd love to hear it.

I thought it was Felder's signature song... before the other one came along

[GlennLover]

Fielder was brought in to play slide on GDIH for the On the Border album & they liked his playing so well they asked him to join the band. I wasn't aware that they played it live before they recorded it either.

[UndertheWire]

It's the Nov 1973 show with the two unknown songs. I think everyone here was so excited about the new songs that we missed that GDIH was played in this pre-Felder incarnation. The link is via this thread: https://eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3092

BBKron also has a second recording from 1974 which does have Felder (if you listen closely, Glenn names him, and Bernie says something like "Ready, Fingers?")

[GlennLover]

Very interesting, UtW. It's been quite a while since I listened to that bootleg & I didn't remember that GDIH was on it. I didn't listen to it much as the sound quality isn't that good & my hearing isn't the best. I must have another listen though. Tks

[WalshFan88]

GDIH was the first thing Felder did with the Eagles, planning on being a session guitarist for that track. Then he played a solo along with Glenn on Already Gone and then they decided they wanted him in the band.

[Jonny Come Lately]

The more I think about this, this is probably the most difficult round out of the entire Survivor, certainly for me personally. It will involve kicking out a song I really like (and unlike in the case of the early eliminations of the likes of The Last Resort and James Dean, a song I consider underrated) and one more of these will not make the final, but in the penultimate round the two survivors will enter the final round.

I am listening to Good Day In Hell right now and once again have to reiterate my love of this song - the combination of Felder's slide playing with the distorted rhythm guitars is brilliant, with a vocal to match by Frey and Henley. I certainly think it would be a more than worthy finalist, at any rate. I can understand why non hard rockers find it overwhelming, but I know I think it's terrific.

Therefore I will vote for Long Road Out Of Eden in this round. I think it is great, epic track and is underrated within the fanbase as well as with the general public, but it feels like the right time for it to go to me. I'd struggle to explain this any further, like I said I rate all of the four survivors highly.

I must admit I was under the impression that Don Felder joined the band after playing his slide guitar parts on GDIH, and only added additional guitar to Already Gone later. The California Jam performance of the latter song, which features Glenn playing the solo is probably the closest we having to knowing how the studio version would have sounded without Felder.

I feel I'm now pretty sure which song I'd like to win. I'll provide a teaser in saying that the song in question is an album closer.

[UndertheWire]

I don't think anyone is disputing that Felder was brought in to play slide on GDIH in the studio. However, it seems that they had already been playing it live before they went into the studio and that live version included slide.

[VAisForEagleLovers]

I don't think anyone is disputing that Felder was brought in to play slide on GDIH in the studio. However, it seems that they had already been playing it live before they went into the studio and that live version included slide.

Given what Glenn said in the documentary, that if it was a rock track, Bernie played lead, and if it was a country song that Bernie sang, Glenn played lead, I'm wondering if it was Bernie who played lead before Felder joined?? Just throwing that out there...

[WalshFan88]

Bernie's not a slide player, however Glenn does play some slide (Smugglers Blues is a great example).

Not sure how they did it before Felder joined but obviously they were wanting something he did on the song.

[Jonny Come Lately]

Glenn was the Eagles go-to slide guitar player prior to Felder joining the band - I know he does so on Earlybird, Midnight Flyer and Is It True?, with the latter two, interestingly, both coming from the same album as Good Day In Hell. I believe the band probably felt that Glenn was capable of handling the slide parts on Midnight Flyer (predominantly bluegrass) and Is It True? (which I consider to be a melodic rock ballad), but that they needed a more technical player to get the best results on the hard rocking GDIH.

I'm sure I've heard before now that they wanted to bring in a certain Mr. Joe Walsh, but that he wasn't available at the time for some reason. Can't verify that for sure though. Hence bringing in Bernie's old friend, and the rest we know. Of course, since Walsh joined he's played the overwhelmingly majority of the slide guitars for the Eagles - Victim Of Love, The Long Run, his solos on King Of Hollywood and Get Over It, Guilty Of The Crime etc.

[thelastresort]

I suppose it may also depend on whether Glenn thought he could sufficiently handle slide whilst also being half of a double-lead vocal: on the likes of Midnight Flyer for example he doesn't have any vocal duties whilst playing the solo. I could imagine the need to be in perfect synchronicity whilst also having your eyes on the slide is a tricky combination for any musician, let alone one with the Eagles's perfectionism.

[sodascouts]

For our guitarists out there - I know it's a bit off topic, but since the subject came up - is playing a slide while singing lead trickier than playing a guitar normally while doing so?

[Brooke]

Lots of interesting discussion here! Sorry I forgot to vote in the last round, but it wouldn't have made any difference.

So, again, I vote for The Sad Cafe. Obviously no one else feels the same as me, but you'll have that!

I LOVE Good Day In Hell and feel like it should make it close to the end, (most casual fans have never heard it) but it looks like it may go down this time. :sad:

[WalshFan88]

For our guitarists out there - I know it's a bit off topic, but since the subject came up - is playing a slide while singing lead trickier than playing a guitar normally while doing so?

For sure... Slide requires a lot of precision with your fretboard hand. If you don't pay attention, it'll hit a fret or sound muted or worse, like cats fighting.

[VAisForEagleLovers]

... or worse, like cats fighting.

That is seriously worse!!

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well - it's not too late to save Good Day In Hell. Right now LROOE has one more vote than GDIH. I love both songs and I think they are both fantastic; however, I believe Good Day In Hell is a lot more underrated of the two. Therefore, if anyone wants to save it, we should ban together and form a coalition. So ...

Save Good Day In Hell!

Vote for Long Road Out of Eden!

[VAisForEagleLovers]

Yes, but LROOE is at least a good song... Like I said, there's a good reason GDIH is unknown to most people!! Come on folks!!! LROOE is an incredible song!!!

Vote for Good Day In Hell!!!!

[UK TimFan]

Not voting at the moment, but I will see how things go, and (if I can count correctly this time :grin:) and my vote's needed then I'll vote for 'Good day in hell'.

[Glennsallnighter]

I must say I am very sorry to see ATTIG is gone. I just love that song and think it is TOTALLY underrated! I was secretly hoping it might win, but I suppose it hasn't done too badly!

This round I will vote off 'Long Road out of Eden'

[DivineDon]

I must say I am very sorry to see ATTIG is gone. I just love that song and think it is TOTALLY underrated! I was secretly hoping it might win, but I suppose it hasn't done too badly!


So was I GA :-(

[Brooke]

Same here! I love ATTIG and was hoping it would make it to the end. :sad:

[GlennLover]

So did I!:sad:

[BBKron]

Yes, both LROOE and GDIH are excellent songs, but they are very different kinds of songs.
LROOE is one of their epic 'serious' songs, and GDIH is just a good-time rocker. I like them both very much (but probably GDIH a bit more), but whereas LROOE is well-respected as a moody, epic, masterpiece of a message song, GDIH has been somewhat lost in the mix of great Eagles songs. So, for me, this is an easy choice, as I think GDIH is far more underrated than LROOE, and well, it is just time for LROOE to go.

Thus, I vote for Long Road Out of Eden.

[Desperada]

The Sad Cafe

[VAisForEagleLovers]

For all the good it'll do, I'll vote for Good Day in Hell. Perhaps the 8000 times I've voted for it will sway it off the island in case of a tie in the next round.

[shunlvswx]

I vote for Good Day in Hell.

[zeldabjr]

I vote for Long Road out of Eden

[Ive always been a dreamer]

I cast my vote for Long Road Out of Eden.

It appear that it will go down this round. Sad to see it go, but I'm really glad it had a good run.

[UK TimFan]

As it will need a miracle (which is highly unlikely to be forthcoming within the next two minutes!) to get rid of 'Good day in hell' this round, I will vote for 'The sad cafe'.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

The next song to be eliminated in the Underrated Eagles Song Survivor is Long Road Out of Eden. “Long Road Out of Eden, I know you were just trying to stay alive, but the tribe has spoken. The road map says you should be leaving soon, so watch out for the ghost of Caesar. Now, roll on down the interstate and leave the island immediately.

Votes
Long Road Out of Eden – 9
Good Day In Hell – 6
The Sad Café – 3
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – 2

Vote Breakdown
Long Road Out of Eden – WalshFan88
Long Road Out of Eden – sodascouts
Long Road Out of Eden – GlennLover
Long Road Out of Eden – scottside
Long Road Out of Eden – Jonny Come Lately
Long Road Out of Eden – Glennsallnighter
Long Road Out of Eden – BBKron
Long Road Out of Eden – zeldabjr
Long Road Out of Eden – Ive always been a dreamer
Good Day In Hell – Lacken101
Good Day In Hell – thelastresort
Good Day In Hell – DevineDon
Good Day In Hell – UndertheWire
Good Day In Hell – VAisForEagleLovers
Good Day In Hell – shunlvswx
The Sad Café – Brooke
The Sad Café – Desperada
The Sad Café – UK TimFan
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Freypower
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Funk 50

Songs eliminated:
Most of Us Are Sad 1/29
The Last Resort 1/31
James Dean 2/02
Too Many Hands 2/04
Pretty Maids All in a Row 2/06
Bitter Creek 2/08
Those Shoes 2/10
My Man 2/12
Ol' 55 2/14
Do Something 2/16
After the Thrill Is Gone 2/18
Long Road Out of Eden 2/20

Songs remaining:
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise
Good Day in Hell
The Sad Cafe

Voting for Round Thirteen begins now.

[thelastresort]

Good Day in Hell, the two others are better songs and equally underrated.

[Freypower]

Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise

[WalshFan88]

Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise

[Desperada]

Good Day in Hell

[Funk 50]

Well I'm self-prevented from voting for Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise which looks like it needs every vote it can get, in a negative way, so this round I'm voting for The Sad Cafe.

I'd love to know how Joe earned his writing credit for this. He doesn't seem to be part of the song writing collective, Glenn and Don have. Seems that they've allowed newcomer Steuart Smith in though. No wonder Joe didn't think Henley liked him until he watched the HOTE documentary.

For a band with a reputation for churning out high quality ballads, The Sad Cafe was a bit of a disappointment.

I'm not even sure if I like Good Day In Hell.

[Brooke]

The Sad Cafe, again

Please tell me, what is so great about this song? It's ok, but such a downer.

[scottside]

I will cast my vote for "The Sad Café." It's one of my favorites from THE LONG RUN, but I don't think it's any more underrated than "Good Day In Hell."

[thelastresort]

The Sad Cafe, again

Please tell me, what is so great about this song? It's ok, but such a downer.

I never really appreciated it until I realised that for 14 years it was considered the last ever song arguably America's biggest band of all time wrote. Three things make it for me: Henley's ever-perfect lyrics (I also appreciate JDS and Glenn might have contributed to that), Felder's gorgeous guitar solo and the beautifully-crafted saxophone at the end. It's a powerful and agonising self-reflection of the whole Californian dream I think Henley, Frey et al saw crashing before them.

[DivineDon]

I know what you mean, Brooke, but sometimes melancholia is beautiful and the sentiment of 'time passing and things changing' (to quote Don quoting J.D.) is one everyone can relate to which is why I like The Sad Cafe - plus, the sax in it is gorgeous.

So...once again I vote for Good Day in Hell 'cos, while it's a good rocking song I just don't get that same connection with it.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

I love The Sad Cafe for many of the same reasons tlr and DD stated. I think it is a beautiful song and am delighted that it has made it this far in the game. I honestly figured it would have traded places with After the Thrill Is Gone in terms of the order of finish here. But, of course, I love all these songs and they all speak to me in different ways. However, to me, that's only part of what I consider when I think about when I think of how underrated a song is. And of the songs remaining in this game, I think that The Sad Cafe is the least underrated, so I am going to suggest another coalition and see if it sticks ...

SAVE GOOD DAY IN HELL!!!

VOTE FOR THE SAD CAFE!!!

[L101]

I vote for Good day in hell. I don't see what is so great about this song... In this game, it is completely overrated...I love a good rock song especially the guitar solos but this song leaves me cold.

The sad cafe is a brilliant song reflecting on life and how times change. .. even though it was written 36 years ago, it still reflects life today. Also the sax solo at the end is beautiful and the song IMO is a high quality ballad and rightly deserves to be in the top two

[GlennLover]

Sad Cafe. Basically I agree with Dreamer.

[VAisForEagleLovers]

OK, I'm obviously missing something! I get that people have different tastes, but my tastes haven't been so far outside of others in other discussions we've had. I just listened to GDIH again, this time on the stereo instead of through the Bose headphones. The headphones magnify beauty in songs (for instance, listening to the After Hours album through them is a real treat). They also magnify the faults of a song, so I thought I'd listen the 'normal' way. I still don't get it.

While a lot of the arguments have been that GDIH is more underrated than some of the others that have been voted off and I agree with that, I just can't fathom why it would ever make it to the final round. It implies that out of the entire Eagles catalog where the song is really great but doesn't get the credit it deserves, it's one of the top 2. Of the entire Eagles catalog! It amazes me that people feel it's that good. I don't get it!

[thelastresort]

Agree with every word VA, it's a very good song but one of the three most underrated? :eyebrow:

[Ive always been a dreamer]

VA – First of all, I have to disagree with your conclusion about the results of this game implying that GDIH is one of the top 2 underrated songs in the entire Eagles catalog. For that to be true means that everyone agrees with the results of this game so far, and, in particular, that these should be the three remaining songs. That is certainly not the case for me because my choice to win the game has already been eliminated. So all this really means is that the small number of fans playing this game have to choose between the three songs that are remaining.

Having said that, I do think that Good Day In Hell is certainly deserving to be here. I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but it seems like the bottom line is that you don’t think GDIH is a very good song, and therefore, it can’t be underrated. For me, on the other hand, while it’s certainly not a beautiful song, I think it is fantastic and one of the better rockers in the band’s early catalog in every way – great music, lyrics, vocals, melody, harmonies, and arrangement. The very reason I think it is so underrated is the fact that I believe it is a great song that does not receive the recognition and credit it deserves, as evidenced in your post. To me, it doesn’t necessarily have to be the best song to be the most underrated. So, what it all boils down to, as you said, is just two different perspectives and tastes.

[VAisForEagleLovers]

I can honestly say that as much as I love the sound of Glenn's vocals, I do not like his voice on this song. Not at all. I do like the lyrics. It is a matter of taste, of course, but usually we're on the same page when it comes to such things, and this time, we are very far apart!

[Glennsallnighter]

Good Day in Hell

[sodascouts]

Gosh - I don't know what to vote for now!

[VAisForEagleLovers]

Gosh - I don't know what to vote for now!

I suppose you could still vote for LROOE...:hilarious:

[sodascouts]

I've decided. Since "The Sad Cafe" is on The Greatest Hits Vol 2, I don't think it's really that underrated. Thus...

I cast my vote for The Sad Cafe.

[DJ]

Sad Cafe

[shunlvswx]

I'm voting for the Good Day In Hell again. I like the other two.

[UndertheWire]

This is tough. I can think of so many Eagles songs that I think are more underrated than those remaining. Listening to a set with GDIH, Tryin' and Chug All Night, I'd put GDIH last. I like Sad Cafe, but I'd choose After the Thrill is Gone over it.

This time I choose Good Day in Hell.

[VAisForEagleLovers]

Obviously, I vote for Good Day in Hell.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

WOW! Looks like this round is going to go down to the wire.

I'll go ahead and vote now since I think the DD/Desperado Reprise is safe this round. Also no surprise here ...

I cast my vote for The Sad Café.

[BBKron]

I vote for The Sad Cafe. Nice song, but not as underrated as the other 2 left (included on just about all the various greatest hits compilations). Frankly, I'm surprised it has made it this far into the game (pleased to see it that it has, though).

[Jonny Come Lately]

I think I have to vote for The Sad Café in this round - as much as I love it, as others have pointed out, it did appear on Greatest Hits Volume 2 and other compilation albums, which ignore both GDIH and the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise, in the case of the former often in favour of inferior songs (the exclusion of the latter from such discs reflects the general lack of regard the compilers seem to show for the Desperado album as a whole, which is a shame in my view). I love the other songs too and they are more underrated to me.

Having said that...


I never really appreciated it until I realised that for 14 years it was considered the last ever song arguably America's biggest band of all time wrote. Three things make it for me: Henley's ever-perfect lyrics (I also appreciate JDS and Glenn might have contributed to that), Felder's gorgeous guitar solo and the beautifully-crafted saxophone at the end. It's a powerful and agonising self-reflection of the whole Californian dream I think Henley, Frey et al saw crashing before them.

...I totally agree with this post, aside from the fact that the song has always been a personal favourite. I've always loved Felder's acoustic guitars on the song. The mood of the song is somewhat bittersweet I guess, but it never felt like a totally sad end to me. The song ends with the narrator's acceptance that the old times are gone, but also with him suggesting meeting the other person once again inside the 'Sad Café' - I've always thought of this as reliving good times. The fact that the song has made it so far has pleased me greatly, I did not think my fondness for it was as commonly held as it is before we did this Survivor.

I have realised that this post in conjunction with my previous posts may have made it clear which song I intend to vote for as the ultimate winner of this survivor, and I will give it away by saying that I'm confident I will be able to vote for it in the final. There are others I'd have been happy to vote for if it hadn't made it into the final two, but this one seems a worthy winner to me (although others may disagree of course).

[zeldabjr]

I vote for Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise

[UK TimFan]

I vote for 'Good day in hell'.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

In a tied round, by virtue of the tiebreaker rule, the next song to be eliminated in the Underrated Eagles Song Survivor is Good Day In Hell. “Good Day in Hell, the tribe has spoken and looks like you’re going down in flames. So take that fork in the road and get outa town. The remaining two songs can step forward and return to the island for the final round.

The Sad Cafe vs Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise

Votes
Good Day In Hell – 9
The Sad Cafe – 9
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – 3

Previous Votes
Good Day In Hell – 20
The Sad Café – 13

Vote Breakdown
Good Day In Hell – thelastresort
Good Day In Hell – Desperada
Good Day In Hell – DevineDon
Good Day In Hell – Lacken101
Good Day In Hell – Glennsallnighter
Good Day In Hell – shunlvswx
Good Day In Hell – UndertheWire
Good Day In Hell – VAisForEagleLovers
Good Day In Hell – UK TimFan
The Sad Café – Brooke
The Sad Café – Funk 50
The Sad Café – scottside
The Sad Café – GlennLover
The Sad Café – sodascouts
The Sad Café – DJ
The Sad Café – Ive always been a dreamer
The Sad Café – BBKron
The Sad Café – Jonny Come Lately
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Freypower
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – WalshFan88
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – zeldabjr

Songs eliminated:
Most of Us Are Sad 1/29
The Last Resort 1/31
James Dean 2/02
Too Many Hands 2/04
Pretty Maids All in a Row 2/06
Bitter Creek 2/08
Those Shoes 2/10
My Man 2/12
Ol' 55 2/14
Do Something 2/16
After the Thrill Is Gone 2/18
Long Road Out of Eden 2/20
Good Day in Hell 2/22

Songs remaining:

The Sad Cafe vs Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise

We’re at the last round. This round is special, so it’s done differently. We’re not going to vote for the song we want to go. We’re going to vote for the song we want to win. This is how they do it on the real show, after all.

Once again...

VOTE FOR THE SONG YOU WANT TO WIN.

Voting for the final round begins now.

[UK TimFan]

I vote 'Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise' for the win.

[Freypower]

Frankly, neither. I don't know how The Sad Café even got this far, but I think it's a better song than the Reprise, so I vote for it to win.

[shunlvswx]

The battle of the two Don songs.

I vote for Desperado/Doolin' Dalton reprise. Before the HOTE concerts, I've never heard of Desperado/Doolin' Dalton reprise and I fell in love with this song especially since I didn't like the Desperado album until 2 years ago.

Until the HOTE tour, this song hasn't been sung since the 70s. So I think its underrated.

[WalshFan88]

The Sad Cafe for the win!

Not a fan of Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise.

[thelastresort]

Both are equally good pieces of music and both have been out of the setlists for far too long, but I vote for Doolin-Dalton / Desperado (Reprise). The outro harmonies still give me the chills and I love its role in summarising the whole album. Seeing them perform it live again after four decades out in the cold is genuinely wonderful to see, especially with Bernie on banjo.

[sodascouts]

No doubt about it for me....

DOOLIN DALTON / DESPERADO REPRISE FOR THE WIN!!!

A magnificent song. I've always loved it, but when I heard it live for the first time in 2012, it brought my appreciation of the song to whole new level. I got chills listening to it during the concerts... it was so incredible, so cinematic, so EPIC. I am absolutely ECSTATIC that they brought it back.

As far as whether or not the song is underrated, since this is a "reprise" it is often dismissed out of hand by people who don't realize that it's more than just a hodge podge of previous songs. It has never made any "Greatest Hits" or "Best of" collections. It is the definition of Underrated!

[VAisForEagleLovers]

No doubt about it for me, either! Hoping this song would win is why I played this game!

I vote for Doolin' Dalton / Desperado Reprise for the win!!!

Besides other fans and critics, this song was vastly underrated by me. I'd never heard anything but the studio version and while I liked it, it wasn't a favorite. Even having several of you at the first HOTE show (Louisville) mention it as awesome, I didn't pay it much notice in the first two shows. Then in Seattle, my third show, it was like someone unplugged my ears or something. There was literally a moment of silence before the applause when they were done by the entire crowd, and I've assumed it was because like me, they were speechless. Since then, I've looked forward to it at every show, and shelled out big $$ for shows I wouldn't normally have gone to, because I wanted to hear this song while I still could.

I even saw a tweet after the show in Melbourne where a fan was in awe of this song, and she didn't even know it existed before the concert.

I hope that the show in Vegas last October isn't the last time I hear it live. If it is, though, I have to say it was the best one, and I'll carry the memory of it in my mind and heart forever. "Maybe tomorrow...."

This song is the biggest reason I hope they put out a HOTE DVD. Everyone should have the opportunity to hear it!

[DivineDon]

It has to be...

DOOLIN' DALTON/DEPERADO REPRISE

...I just LOVE it.

I think it is definitely underrated. I had never heard it until I bought the Desperado album and I think it concludes the whole concept/theme running throughout the entire album. I think it's so clever and reminds me of the reprise that re-occurs through musicals like Les Miserables, bringing the whole story together.

I really like Sad Cafe for its beauty but Doolin' Dalton/Desperado Reprise is as Soda said, EPIC! When Don sings against the other guys I get goosebumps. I'm delighted it's getting its due recognition :thumbsup:

[UndertheWire]

Doolin-Dalton/Desperado reprise for the win.

The whole of the Desperado album is underrated.

[scottside]

I vote for "Doolin Dalton/Desperado Reprise" for the win. DESPERADO is my favorite Eagles album and this is one of the finest moments on it.

[LA Eagle]

DD/DR

[Desperada]

DD/DR to winhttps://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif

[L101]

Doolin Dalton/Desperado Reprise to win !! :thumbsup:

[Brooke]

Well, it's a no-brainer for me! I wanted Good Day In Hell to win, but as it went down last round.....

I vote for Doolin' Dalton/Desperado Reprise for the win!

Not much more praise I can add other than to agree with all of you that have voted for it!

It's just plain beautiful! :sigh:

[Funk 50]

I get the impression that the Eagles live performances of Doolin-Dalton / Desperado's during the HOTE tour has made a major impact on the voting. Maybe it's not as underrated as people believe.

The Eagles say their longevity is down to song power but having witnessed many great songs murdered by awful performances I think a large chunk of the credit should be given to the band's enduring musical talent.

All my favourites are long gone. Of the two remaining album tracks, I've seen neither live, I'd prefer The Sad Cafe to be named best underrated or unheralded Eagles song. I still can't quite perceive DD/D as a song.

I'm surprised it made it this far but in the final round I vote for The Sad Cafe.

Congrats to the winner. All the tracks have gained some much deserved extra exposure. (except maybe Most Of Us Are Sad). :-D

[VAisForEagleLovers]

The Eagles say their longevity is down to song power but having witnessed many great songs murdered by awful performances I think a large chunk of the credit should be given to the band's enduring musical talent.

You have hit the nail on the head, F50! Obviously, great songs are needed, but it's only part of the reason they are selling out venues. They know how to put on a high quality show and still make it about the songs.

[Glennsallnighter]

Doolin Dalton/Desperado reprise for the winner. Definitely!

[WalshFan88]

Truth be told I'm not a big fan of The Sad Cafe, but in this case I do prefer it to DD/DR. I just wasn't a fan of that whole concept album about outlaw cowboys. For some strange reason I relate more with their second concept record, HC, which was about California stars and excess, don't ask me why LOL!

IMO the true gem of Desperado is Out Of Control, that was about the heaviest they got until Felder, and then Walsh came in the band with songs like Already Gone, Victim Of Love, Life In The Fast Lane, Those Shoes, Heartache Tonight (with Joe's slide and Glenn's rhythm), etc...

[GlennLover]

I vote DD/DR for the win. Love it!

[Witchy Woman]

The first time I heard The Sad Cafe I rewound my tape and listened to it over and over until I learned all the words. I think it's terribly underrated, and an awesome song. So my vote goes to it.

[Jonny Come Lately]

I'm going to go for Doolin-Dalton/Desperado (Reprise) for the win!

I am delighted that it has made it to the final round of the survivor. I think it is a brilliant song and the perfect way of ending the great Desperado album. The harmony vocals are fantastic, even by Eagles standards, especially on the 'Desperado' fade out, Bernie's dobro is not only an effective bridge between the two halves but it is a very evocative piece of music in its own right, capturing the sense of despair as the outlaws' job goes wrong. The lyrics are also among their very finest, 'bloodthirsty bystanders' is one of the best alliterative lines I've heard, and I'd also like to draw attention to the final lines of the Doolin-Dalton reprise section, 'Four men ride out but only three ride back'. While this is obviously literally about one of the outlaws dying during in the showdown, it (probably unintentionally) proved prophetic for other rock bands. Think of Led Zeppelin (John Bonham) and The Who (Keith Moon) and you'll see what I mean by this.

I love the original Doolin-Dalton and Desperado songs themselves but I feel that they are incomplete without the Reprise. The 'don't you draw the queen of diamonds, boy' verse in Desperado, for instance, while a great lyric in itself, is tied up in the reprise where discover that the desperado has gone for the queen of diamonds, who has let him down. The former line is one of the most famous Eagles lyrics whereas the latter is nowhere near as widely recognised.

Yet, in spite of the song's brilliance, the song is largely ignored by Eagles compilation albums (something that could be said for the majority of the Desperado album, sadly) and until it was revived for the most recent tour was, as far as I'm aware, it had not been played live for the best part of four decades.

In short, while The Sad Café is another personal favourite of mine, the winner has to be the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado (Reprise).

[BBKron]

Well, here we are, and DD/DR has indeed made it to where it should be. I truly believe that this is the most underrated song in the Eagles catalog. It is certainly one of my very favorite songs of all-time, and one that has never gotten the recognition and appreciation that it deserves. When I first saw this game thread, I thought to myself that DD/DR just HAS to win that, but then these things almost never go as I think they should. But here it is, ready to take the crown. Although I can understand those that don't think of this as a 'real' song in itself, because it reprises the melodies from 2 previous songs, it adds so much (lyrically, musically, and emotionally), and goes beyond what was present in either of the original songs, that it truly does deserve to be considered as a separate song of the highest quality and order.

I had prepared to go into lengths about what I think is so great about the song, but JCL has already made several of the same points I was going to make. Well said, JCL! But I will just add a few more things. The reprise not only serves as the perfect ending for the 2 previous great songs (Doolin Dalton and Desperado), and the grand culmination of the entire Desperado album (which is my favorite album), but it also packs such an emotional punch (the most powerful ending of any Eagles song IMHO). I also agree that although DD and Desperado certainly stand on their own as great songs, they are just not quite complete without this moving finale, which adds the final pieces to these songs and the whole album, and changing the dynamics of the songs and the message itself. When the harmony vocals come in on the Desperado chorus ("Is there gonna be anything left, is there gonna be..."), it's just like, wow, where was that before?, because it is just so perfect. This conclusion is just needed to tell the whole story ('the queen of diamonds let you down... etc.'), yet most people have been unaware that it even existed.
Also, after we learn the 'fate' of the desperado, we get a small bit of hope, in the 'maybe tomorrow' part. To me, this is suggesting that, although it is too late for the song's protagonist (his 'fate is sealed'), there is still hope for the next guy that comes along, or maybe even you or me, and then as the song fades out on the choral anthemic 'Desperado's, we get one more great surprise tidbit in the reappearance of Bernie's sprightly banjo just coming up as the song fades out. I think this represents a return to the beginning of the whole song cycle, representing a new young one coming up and just starting on their journey (with the 'Twenty-One' thematic banjo picking), ready to make their own choices, and hopefully, to make better ones than the previous 'Desperado' did. It's just such a thrilling and beautiful way to end what could have been somewhat depressing lessons and themes. It's just awesome.

Lastly, I just want to say that it really is underrrated, not only by casual and more serious fans, but it has been vastly underrated by the Eagles themselves. I think this is their most powerful song, yet the band has never used it in concert the way it should have been presented. Even back in the original '70's shows when it was part of the setlist (and until the recent HOTE Tour, it has not been included in concert since the Hotel California tour), it was played very early in the show, usually right after Doolin Dalton, rather than later, or at the end of the show, where it would work best. Even worse, it has almost always been played at shows BEFORE they played Desperado, which just makes no sense. For the song to have the most impact, it has to come sometime after Desperado (How can it be a 'reprise' and finish the story, if the story hasn't even been told yet?). It's like reading the last chapter of a book before reading the story that sets it up. This has always irked me that it has never been featured in their live show the way it should. Now, I was thrilled that they brought the song back for the HOTE tour, but was dissappointed that it still was featured early in the set, and not at the conclusion (following Desperado) as it should be. Imagine how exciting it would be, after the usual Desperado ending, if they then went into DD/DR for a spectacular finish, the place would go nuts. Anyway, that is just my own bias, but I would love to have seen it be featured and placed more prominently in the show.

OK, as you can see, I really love this song. Thus, I proudly vote for and heartily endorse Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise as the Eagles most underrated song.

[zeldabjr]

I vote for The Sad Cafe to win...

[VAisForEagleLovers]

Imagine how exciting it would be, after the usual Desperado ending, if they then went into DD/DR for a spectacular finish, the place would go nuts. Anyway, that is just my own bias, but I would love to have seen it be featured and placed more prominently in the show.

BBK, this is a great idea except I'm pretty sure I'd cry like a baby! That would be one heck of an impact.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Very enjoyable posts, jcl and BBKron. I have always loved the reprise. In all the previous Desperado Survivor Games, I unsuccessfully lobbied very hard for it to win those games. The song seems to have earned some well-deserved respect since it has been added to the HOTE set list. So - this is a no brainer for me as well ...

I cast my vote for the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well the stage was set for another showdown, but instead it turned into a landslide. The tribe has spoken and we can crown the winner of the Underrated Eagles Song Survivor. Congratulations ...

Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise

Votes
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – 17
The Sad Café – 5

Vote Breakdown
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – UK TimFan
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – shunlvswx
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – thelastresort
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – sodascouts
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – VAisForEagleLovers
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – DevineDon
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – UndertheWire
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – scottside
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – LA Eagle
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Desperada
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Lacken101
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Brooke
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Glennsallnighter
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – GlennLover
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Jonny Come Lately
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – BBKron
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise – Ive always been a dreamer
The Sad Café – Freypower
The Sad Café – WalshFan88
The Sad Café – Funk 50
The Sad Café – Witchy Woman
The Sad Café – zeldabjr

Songs eliminated:
Most of Us Are Sad 1/29
The Last Resort 1/31
James Dean 2/02
Too Many Hands 2/04
Pretty Maids All in a Row 2/06
Bitter Creek 2/08
Those Shoes 2/10
My Man 2/12
Ol' 55 2/14
Do Something 2/16
After the Thrill Is Gone 2/18
Long Road Out of Eden 2/20
Good Day in Hell 2/22
The Sad Cafe 2/24

Once again...

CONGRATULATIONS TO DOOLIN-DALTON/DESPERADO REPRISE!!!

To celebrate, listen to this audio from 1975 ...

http://www.glennfreyonline.com/multimedia/MP3/DDDDDRepriseSpringfield75.mp3


Thanks for playing everyone and hope you enjoyed the game!

[WalshFan88]

Not my preferred win, but oh well...

Good game.

[shunlvswx]

Congrats to Doolin' Dalton/Desperado reprise. When we started this game, I had a feeling Doolin' Dalton/Desperado reprise would win. Its a great song and I definitely thought it was underrated.

Congrats to Doolin' Dalton/Desperado reprise. Great game.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Congrats to the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise!!!

It is very deserving of the win. It wasn’t my first choice to win the game, but it was a close second, so I am very pleased with the outcome. As we often do after these games, I am going to post my list for the order I would’ve liked these songs to finish in the game. I made my list before the game started, and I divided the songs into the following 3 different categories to help myself determine the order. I would love to see others’ lists for those of you are interested in sharing it.

Some of the band’s better songs that don’t get the respect they deserve

1. After the Thrill Is Gone
2. Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise
3. Good Day In Hell
4. Long Road Out of Eden
5. My Man
6. The Sad Café
7. The Last Resort
8. Do Something
9. James Dean

Really good songs that get the appropriate level of respect they deserve

10. Bitter Creek
11. Ol’ 55
12. Those Shoes
13. Pretty Maids All in a Row

Some of the band’s weaker songs therefore they aren’t underrated

14. Too Many Hands
15. Most of Us Are Sad

[Freypower]

I'll do this in order of my preference for the songs:

Some of the band’s better songs that don’t get the respect they deserve

1. Long Road Out Of Eden
2. Good Day In Hell
3. Pretty Maids All In A Row
4. Do Something
5. The Sad Café
6. Too Many Hands
7. Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise


Really good songs that get the appropriate level of respect they deserve

8. Ol '55
9. James Dean
10. Those Shoes
11. The Last Resort
12. My Man
13. Bitter Creek

Some of the band’s weaker songs therefore they aren’t underrated

13. Bitter Creek
14. Most of Us Are Sad
15. After The Thrill Is Gone

I am possibly too harsh on BC but to me it's not a 'really good' song.

[VAisForEagleLovers]

Yay Doolin' Dalton / Desperado Reprise!!!! :blueblob::yay:

Some of the band’s better songs that don’t get the respect they deserve

1. Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise
2. After the Thrill Is Gone
3. Long Road Out of Eden
4. Pretty Maids All in a Row
5. Do Something
6. James Dean
7. Those Shoes
8. Bitter Creek

Really good songs that get the appropriate level of respect they deserve

9. Ol’ 55
10. The Sad Café
11. The Last Resort

Some of the band’s weaker songs therefore they aren’t underrated

12. My Man
13. Good Day In Hell
14. Too Many Hands
15. Most of Us Are Sad

[LA Eagle]

#15????

Some of the band’s weaker songs therefore they aren’t underrated

13. Bitter Creek
14. Most of Us Are Sad
15. After The Thrill Is Gone

I am possibly too harsh on BC but to me it's not a 'really good' song.[/quote]

[BBKron]

Congratulations to Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise, a most worthy winner, finally getting some love and respect as a great and underrated song!

Ok, I've compiled my own overall ranking list, but I've changed the categoriesDreamer set-up to fit my own impressions. In addition, I've added some other songs that were not in the game that I think are also underrated (I've only numbered the ones that were in the game though, to avoid confusion). Note, also, that this ranking does not necessarily indicate my order of preference for the songs, just degree of underratedness (for example, I love The Last Resort, Pretty Maids, and ATTIG, but just don't think they are really underrated).

Great songs (among the band's best) that don’t get the recognition, respect, or appreciation they deserve (most underrated)
1. Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise
2. Bitter Creek
Train Leaves Here This Morning
3. Good Day In Hell
Twenty-One
Certain Kind of Fool

Really good songs that don't get the level of recognition, respect, or appreciation they deserve (underrated)
Journey of the Sorcerer
4. My Man
5. Ol’ 55
6. Those Shoes
7. James Dean
8. The Sad Café
9. Do Something
Tryin'
Nightingale
10. Too Many Hands

Great songs that are appropriately highly respected and appreciated (thus not underrated)
11. Long Road Out of Eden
12. Pretty Maids All in a Row
13. The Last Resort
14. After the Thrill is Gone

Weaker songs therefore not underrated
15. Most of Us Are Sad

[Funk 50]

I have always loved the reprise. In all the previous Desperado Survivor Games, I unsuccessfully lobbied very hard for it to win those games. The song seems to have earned some well-deserved respect since it has been added to the HOTE set list.

Very interesting, I've always been a dreamer.
Maybe the Eagles should re-awaken a few more obscurities the next time they tour.


I'd also like to draw attention to the final lines of the Doolin-Dalton reprise section, 'Four men ride out but only three ride back'. While this is obviously literally about one of the outlaws dying during in the showdown, it (probably unintentionally) proved prophetic for other rock bands. Think of Led Zeppelin (John Bonham) and The Who (Keith Moon) and you'll see what I mean by this.

I love that line too JCL, and the little instrumental passage that follows it. I like the idea of adopting it as a rousing encore. Desperado's pretty great but it's very much a a Henley showcase. The reprise sounds an ideal way to end an Eagles concert.

Reading through the last bunch of posts, It looks like the most unpopular Eagles track is Most Of Us Are Sad. The track I believe, that won over Glynn Johns, after he initially rejected the Eagles request to produce them. As such, it has a strong case for being included in a History Of The Eagles live set list.

Other notable omissions, besides the whole of the Long Road Out Of Eden album, particularly Grammy winning instrumental, I Dreamed There Was No More War, are;

Good Day In Hell, the track that launched the Felder era Eagles, which could also explain why it was overlooked.

Get Over It, the first song Glenn and Don wrote together after the 14 year break.

Hole In The World, so ignored it didn't even make the Underrated Song Survivor starting line but the song that really launched a new era for the Eagles.

The History Of The Eagles set list is their first one to include every Eagles hit. No Omissions. So it could have been labelled an "All The Hits" tour. The more obscure stuff like, Saturday Night, Those Shoes and Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise seems to have been a welcome bonus.

[Freypower]

#15????

Some of the band’s weaker songs therefore they aren’t underrated

13. Bitter Creek
14. Most of Us Are Sad
15. After The Thrill Is Gone

I am possibly too harsh on BC but to me it's not a 'really good' song.[/quote]

I'm sorry but I made it clear during the game that I don't like ATTIG very much. I have to be honest.

[sodascouts]

Well-deserved, if you ask me! Congrats to DD-DR!

[UK TimFan]

Out of interest, if the last two songs standing had been ' Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise' and 'Good day in hell' would anyone have changed their vote to GDIH?
Question applies equally to those who voted for 'The sad cafe', as well as those who voted for DD-DR. :smile:

[Brooke]

I would have voted for GDIH! Love them both, but love the rockin' GDIH most!

[Freypower]

I was always going to vote for GDIH.

[Funk 50]

Out of the full list of options, I thought the best track by a distance was The Last Resort. Since that was voted off really early in the game, the whole thing became very unpredictable.

For what it's worth, here's my list, best to worst (and where they finished):

01 The Last Resort [14]
02 Pretty Maids All in a Row [11]
03 Long Road Out of Eden [04]
04 Ol' 55 [07]
05 My Man [08]
06 The Sad Cafe [02]
07 Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise [01]
08 Good Day in Hell [03]
09 Those Shoes [09]
10 Do Something [06]
11 James Dean [13]
12 After the Thrill Is Gone [05]
13 Too Many Hands [12]
14 Bitter Creek [10]
15 Most of Us Are Sad [15]

So if Good Day In Hell had made the final, DD/DR would have got my vote... though I may have abstained.

[L101]

If the final had been between GDIH and DD/DR - I would have voted for DD/DR a hundred times over - I really hate GDIH and can't believe it lasted as long as it did in the game.

Hopefully now that survivor is over, I'll never have to hear it again :grin:

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Gosh Lacken - I don't know what to say. As someone who doesn't even strongly dislike any Eagles song, much less hate one, it's hard for me to wrap my brain around that. :shrug:

Having said that, the only song I would have voted for over the Reprise is After the Thrill Is Gone. Good Day In Hell was third on my list.

[L101]

Gosh Lacken - I don't know what to say. As someone who doesn't even strongly dislike any Eagles song, much less hate one, it's hard for me to wrap my brain around that. :shrug:

Having said that, the only song I would have voted for over the Reprise is After the Thrill Is Gone. Good Day In Hell was third on my list.

I know, it was hard to say that I really hate an Eagles song, felt like I was betraying the band and the border :-(
It's kinda like the way Freypower feels about ATTIG....

But it's the only one I really hate, so maybe it's not too bad. If ATTIG was in the final with DD/DR, it would have been close but I would have voted for ATTIG.

[Freypower]

I know, it was hard to say that I really hate an Eagles song, felt like I was betraying the band and the border :-(
It's kinda like the way Freypower feels about ATTIG....

But it's the only one I really hate, so maybe it's not too bad. If ATTIG was in the final with DD/DR, it would have been close but I would have voted for ATTIG.

I don't hate ATTIG. I don't hate any Eagles song, not even I Wish You Peace, Visions or LWKUA, my three least favourites. My feelings about ATTIG are of indifference, not hate or even dislike. It appears on my least favourite album surrounded by my two least favourite songs as listed above. That hasn't helped it win my affection. I'm not going into more detail because so many people obviously love the song. If I don't it can't be helped.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well we Eagles fans vary a great deal in our likes and dislikes, that's for sure. I brought it up, not to be critical, but because as shallow or indiscriminate as it may be, it's hard for me to wrap my little brain around hating an Eagles song. But, as we always say, it just boils down to personal tastes and there is certainly no right or wrong answer, so none of us should feel the need to be apologetic.

[Jonny Come Lately]

I thought the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado (Reprise) was one of the two outstanding songs included in the game, the other one being The Last Resort. If I was ranking the songs included in the game in order of quality those would certainly be the top two, however The Last Resort is on Hotel California rather than Desperado and is therefore, I think, more widely regarded as being a great song, making it significantly less underrated than the D-D/D (Reprise) which explains its early elimination. Had song quality been the only consideration of the survivor, I think The Last Resort would have gone a lot further in the game - the fact that it was voted off before Too Many Hands, in particular, is clearly a reflection on it not being as underrated as other songs in the game.

You will not be surprised to hear then that even though Good Day In Hell and The Sad Café are both strong favourites of mine, my vote in the final round would have been the same had GDIH made it through. I would have gone for the D-D/D (reprise) either way.

At the start of the game taking both song quality and perception of how underrated each song was, I had Doolin-Dalton/Desperado (Reprise) down as my preferred winner. I thought it would get far but probably fall with about 4 rounds left or so. I expected ATTIG to make the final and would have been happy to see that win, although I'd have probably preferred the victory going to GDIH (which, as I expected, went far) or The Sad Café (which I did not expect to get especially close to the final, I actually thought it would go before Those Shoes). As much as I love The Last Resort I wasn't surprised by its early elimination, for reasons I covered earlier, and although My Man is another firm personal favourite I sensed it lacked enough support to get close to winning. I was pleasantly surprised by how well Long Road Out Of Eden fared, although I think Do Something if anything went a bit too far - Bitter Creek, for instance, is a better song and more underrated in my view.

I will come back with my list of the fifteen songs but for now I will say that I think Most Of Us Are Sad was perhaps slightly out of place in this game. I rather like the song but I think it's a notch below the other ones that were included, and the views of those who voted for it in the first round, more so than the actual votes it received, indicated a general sense of indifference towards the song amongst several posters here. As it was the lone representative of the debut album though I do agree that something was needed to represent that album as it is IMO a very good album and all of the other albums had at least two songs in the game. I think the problem there is that I sense there is no consensus as to which song is the most underrated from the debut album.

[WalshFan88]

Here's my list - best to worst.

After The Thrill Is Gone
Those Shoes
Good Day In Hell
James Dean
Ol '55
The Last Resort
Pretty Maids All In A Row
The Sad Cafe
Too Many Hands
Most Of Us Are Sad
Long Road Out Of Eden
Do Something
Doolin-Dalton/Desperado Reprise
My Man
Bitter Creek

[Freypower]

I thought the Doolin-Dalton/Desperado (Reprise) was one of the two outstanding songs included in the game, the other one being The Last Resort. If I was ranking the songs included in the game in order of quality those would certainly be the top two, however The Last Resort is on Hotel California rather than Desperado and is therefore, I think, more widely regarded as being a great song, making it significantly less underrated than the D-D/D (Reprise) which explains its early elimination. Had song quality been the only consideration of the survivor, I think The Last Resort would have gone a lot further in the game - the fact that it was voted off before Too Many Hands, in particular, is clearly a reflection on it not being as underrated as other songs in the game.

You will not be surprised to hear then that even though Good Day In Hell and The Sad Café are both strong favourites of mine, my vote in the final round would have been the same had GDIH made it through. I would have gone for the D-D/D (reprise) either way.

At the start of the game taking both song quality and perception of how underrated each song was, I had Doolin-Dalton/Desperado (Reprise) down as my preferred winner. I thought it would get far but probably fall with about 4 rounds left or so. I expected ATTIG to make the final and would have been happy to see that win, although I'd have probably preferred the victory going to GDIH (which, as I expected, went far) or The Sad Café (which I did not expect to get especially close to the final, I actually thought it would go before Those Shoes). As much as I love The Last Resort I wasn't surprised by its early elimination, for reasons I covered earlier, and although My Man is another firm personal favourite I sensed it lacked enough support to get close to winning. I was pleasantly surprised by how well Long Road Out Of Eden fared, although I think Do Something if anything went a bit too far - Bitter Creek, for instance, is a better song and more underrated in my view.

I will come back with my list of the fifteen songs but for now I will say that I think Most Of Us Are Sad was perhaps slightly out of place in this game. I rather like the song but I think it's a notch below the other ones that were included, and the views of those who voted for it in the first round, more so than the actual votes it received, indicated a general sense of indifference towards the song amongst several posters here. As it was the lone representative of the debut album though I do agree that something was needed to represent that album as it is IMO a very good album and all of the other albums had at least two songs in the game. I think the problem there is that I sense there is no consensus as to which song is the most underrated from the debut album.

For me it's Chug All Night.

[thelastresort]

Take the Devil easily. Randy's finest ever Eagles vocal and that rarest of things, a Glenn Frey solo. I think we're proving JCL's point!

[VAisForEagleLovers]

For me, I gave a lot of credence to what I hear on Classic Vinyl and Classic Rewind on satellite radio. I've heard Sad Cafe several times on those stations, which is a lot when you consider I listen to The Message (a different channel) 85% of the time. I've also heard Those Shoes quite a few times, in fact, I heard it yesterday on Classic Rewind. Hard for me to feel it's very underrated if they are still getting radio time. Conversely, I hardly ever hear The Long Run. In fact, in over ten years of owning satellite radio, I'm not sure I've ever heard it there (they likely play it on The Bridge). I have heard After the Thrill is Gone a few times. I also hear James Dean pretty frequently, so for me, personally, those songs don't seem very underrated at all.

[thelastresort]

Going back to the theme before:

Some of the band’s better songs that don’t get the respect they deserve
Doolin-Dalton / Desperado (Reprise)
Long Road Out of Eden
The Sad Cafe
The Last Resort
Bitter Creek
Ol' 55

Really good songs that get the appropriate level of respect they deserve
After the Thrill Is Gone
Good Day in Hell
My Man
Do Something
Most of Us Are Sad
Those Shoes
Pretty Maids All in a Row

Some of the band’s weaker songs therefore they aren’t underrated
James Dean
Too Many Hands

[Jonny Come Lately]

Here's my list of the 15 songs in the game:

Some of the band’s better songs that don’t get the respect they deserve
1. Doolin-Dalton / Desperado (Reprise) (A stupendous song yet greatly underrated. A worthy winner indeed!)
2. Good Day in Hell (Brilliant song, not that widely known and so wrongly ignored by compilation albums)
3. The Sad Café (My personal favourite from The Long Run, enough to make it underrated in my book apart from anything else)
4. My Man (One of my firm favourites from On The Border, timeless and beautiful)
5. Long Road Out of Eden (Epic, brilliant song with great music and lyrics that deserves more credit than it gets, although I understand why some find it hard going)
6. Bitter Creek (Another very strong Bernie song worthy of wider recognition)
7. After the Thrill Is Gone (Excellent song, I must say I considered putting this in the category below but I think its lack of recognition compared to the hits from OOTN outside the core fanbase and the fact that it's only ever been played live once make it underrated)
8. Too Many Hands (I really do like it a lot and I think it's very underrated)
9. Pretty Maids All in a Row (Excellent, one of only two songs on HC that I think can legitimately considered underrated - the other is TALA - but is penalised for being part of an album generally considered to be a classic)

Really good songs that get the appropriate level of respect they deserve
10. The Last Resort (Fantastic song, along with D-D/D (Reprise) the best song in the game, but as a crucial part of the HC album is not as underrated as some of the others.)
11. Those Shoes (Great tune, gets about the right level of praise I think. May have been underrated prior to HOTE though)
12. Do Something (Lovely song, also gets about the right of level of praise)
13. Ol' 55 (Excellent Tom Waits cover, but Waits is a widely respected songwriter so I can't truly consider it an underrated song as such)
14. James Dean (Really good, immensely enjoyable rocker but is on the same album as the better but less widely known GDIH so not especially underrated).

Some of the band’s weaker songs therefore they aren’t underrated
15. Most of Us Are Sad (I like it - it's charming with a lovely country rock ballad sound, but it's definitely the weakest of the songs in the game)

My list takes into account the three groups of songs so some of the songs lower down the list may actually be better than those above them (for instance, The Last Resort is one of my all time favourites and I certainly rate it substantially higher than Too Many Hands, yet the latter is more underrated so is further up my list). As you can see I happen to think most of the songs in the game are both great and underrated! When I first saw the list I was very happy as I felt almost all of the songs belonged in an underrated songs list.

If I was to include the bonus songs on BBKron's list, I would put Certain Kind Of Fool, Journey of the Sorcerer, TLHTM and Twenty-One among the really good underrated songs in that order whereas I personally consider Tryin' and Nightingale to be among their weaker songs (although 'weaker' and not the more dismissive 'weak'), perhaps a bit harshly in the case of Tryin'. If I was to have a cut off point between the great songs and the really good songs on the underrated list, it would include LROOE amongst the former and Bitter Creek in the latter group. The Last Resort would definitely also be in any group of great songs from the really good but not underrated list, as would possibly Those Shoes. The remaining three from that group are definitely in the right category as far as I'm concerned.

[Funk 50]

I really don't know how anybody can judge how much respect a song gets or deserves. Surely it's just a matter of opinion and it's an evolving rather than straight answer.

How do you work out how much respect a track deserves?

I'm taking this too seriously aren't I :dizzy:

Just a bit of fun.

Could do a Song Survivor of Eagles tracks written by a single songwriter, That's clinical... unless it's been done already

[Freypower]

I really don't know how anybody can judge how much respect a song gets or deserves. Surely it's just a matter of opinion and it's an evolving rather than straight answer.

How do you work out how much respect a track deserves?

I'm taking this too seriously aren't I :dizzy:

Just a bit of fun.

Could do a Song Survivor of Eagles tracks written by a single songwriter, That's clinical... unless it's been done already

Well, these are the tracks written by one songwriter (both Eagles & non-Eagles):

Chug All Night (Frey)
Most Of Us Are Sad (Frey)
Nightingale (Browne)
Take The Devil (Meisner)
Peaceful Easy Feeling (Tempchin)
Tryin' (Meisner)
Get You In The Mood (Frey)
Twenty-One (Leadon)
Outlaw Man (Blue)
Bitter Creek (Leadon)
Midnight Flyer (Craft)
My Man (Leadon)
Ol '55 ( Waits)
Is It True (Meisner)
Journey Of The Sorcerer (Leadon)
Try And Love Again (Meisner)
Seven Bridges Road (Young)
How Long (Souther)
I Don't Want To Hear Any More (Carrack)
No More Cloudy Days (Frey)
You Are Not Alone (Frey)
I Dreamed There Was No War (Frey)
I Love To Watch A Woman Dance (McNally)

It's up to Soda & Dreamer to decide if this would be worth doing.

[Funk 50]

Thanks for the list Freypower.

There's a surprising number of Frey tracks on that list. I don't think his solo albums have that many songs written unaided.

I'm wondering now, has Glenn written more songs with Tempchin than he has with Henley?

I think it's a bit too soon to be considering another Song Survivor. I'm still pondering on the Doolin-Dalton / Desperado Reprise triumph.

Whatever Soda and Dreamer do is fine by me.

[thelastresort]

I'll throw my suggestion back into the ring here of a Farewell 1 Survivor, in honour of its tenth birthday [of release] in June.

[Glennsallnighter]

What a great idea TLR! I suppose we could take the songs one by one as they are performed on the DVD. Would we vote for the best performance or the best song (Or is there a difference)?

[thelastresort]

What a great idea TLR! I suppose we could take the songs one by one as they are performed on the DVD. Would we vote for the best performance or the best song (Or is there a difference)?

I personally would base it on DVD performance since I think there are some belting performances on there, and some more average ones, but just so long as the DVD performance plays a key part in it I don't really mind how people vote *. I did think of doing double nominations (and consequently double eliminations) in order to avoid it dragging on for about 2 months, but I can imagine the admin for that would be horrible :lol:

* - For example, if someone likes two performances equally, but chooses to save one song as they prefer it, that's fine; but if they just vote to save their favourite song regardless of how it is performed then I'm not too keen on that.

[Freypower]

What a great idea TLR! I suppose we could take the songs one by one as they are performed on the DVD. Would we vote for the best performance or the best song (Or is there a difference)?

It would be performance just as the HFO one was based on performance.

[Freypower]

I personally would base it on DVD performance since I think there are some belting performances on there, and some more average ones, but just so long as the DVD performance plays a key part in it I don't really mind how people vote *. I did think of doing double nominations (and consequently double eliminations) in order to avoid it dragging on for about 2 months, but I can imagine the admin for that would be horrible :lol:

* - For example, if someone likes two performances equally, but chooses to save one song as they prefer it, that's fine; but if they just vote to save their favourite song regardless of how it is performed then I'm not too keen on that.

All reasons for voting in these games are valid, even if you may not vote for that reason yourself.

[thelastresort]

All reasons for voting in these games are valid, even if you may not vote for that reason yourself.

Indeed, I was just saying I would prefer it if people voted based on reasons pertaining to the performance and not a preconceived opinion. I believe someone (it could well have been yourself) alluded in the HFO one that people were voting based on the song and not on the actual execution in the concert.

[shunlvswx]

I did suggest a Farewell 1 survivor game last year after we did HFO Survivor game. Now that one is going to be interseting. It could go on for a month since its a two disc DVD.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well, I'm not going to totally let the cat out of the bag, but I will say that some of you are pretty good prognosticators. Soda and I have discussed the next Survivor game and had already decided to use some of these ideas that you all are suggesting. Stay tuned! :thumbsup: