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shunlvswx
02-16-2016, 06:31 PM
I went back to see who wrote the articles on the best moment and the deadpan comment.

The Best moment had multiple writers while the deadpan comment was made by some guy name Rob Sheffield or something like that. I guess he was watching some other show then those multiples writers.

I really wasn't shocked on Paul not getting into that afterparty. Its kinds sad. I was reading the article and Tyga was shocked that they turned down Paul. Like somebody said. Maybe that bouncer didn't know who Paul was which kinda sucks if you weren't under a rock when Kayne and Rianna had sang with him last year. Or was it two years ago. I don't remember.

DJ
02-16-2016, 06:47 PM
I think this perhaps sums up the debacle of this year's Grammies quite well:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-17/paul-mccartney-turned-away-from-grammys-afterparty/7175148

This is a huge debacle! Don't they realize who Paul McCartney is. Gee Whiz.

On the Tribute, I enjoyed it but it was so sad to see how painful it was for them to play it. Don H looked a mess, like he was emotionally wiped.

armus2112
02-16-2016, 07:28 PM
I think the Grammys tribute to Glen could have been better accomplished by having the Eagles prepare a video montage about Glen with some comments/reflections. Sorry but no one else can do 'Take it Easy' like Glen.

Glennhoney
02-16-2016, 07:46 PM
It was so heart wrenching watching the boys singing without their leader....I think they did a fine job considering the sadness they must have felt..At one point, I noticed Don started to harmonize and stopped....maybe he couldn't??...They all seemed to be struggling and I felt so bad for them...the whole thing was just SAD....

MaryCalifornia
02-16-2016, 07:47 PM
Regarding the Kennedy Center Honors, usually the honorees do not perform, correct? Their songs are performed by others, right? Or do they perform like at the R&RHoF?

MaryCalifornia
02-16-2016, 07:57 PM
Regarding the after-party and Paul McCartney, why on earth would Paul, Taylor Hawkins, Beck, their wives and security want to attend a party hosted by Tyga??!! That Bow Wow attended??? Especially one they weren't invited to??!!:laugh:

I'm thinking someone from Paul's camp is in big trouble. This was a communications breakdown.

shunlvswx
02-16-2016, 08:21 PM
Regarding the Kennedy Center Honors, usually the honorees do not perform, correct? Their songs are performed by others, right? Or do they perform like at the R&RHoF?

Yes. Other artists performed their songs. The guys will sit in the balcony with the President and watch the artist pay tribute to them. They just sit back and enjoy the show. That's of course if the guys still decide to do KCH in December

GlennLover
02-16-2016, 08:23 PM
Regarding the Kennedy Center Honors, usually the honorees do not perform, correct? Their songs are performed by others, right? Or do they perform like at the R&RHoF?

You're right. They don't perform themselves & others do their songs.

sodascouts
02-16-2016, 08:26 PM
What a freaking shame Glenn won't be there to receive that award from the President.

Regarding the extremely late receipt of the 1978 Grammy, it's ironic when you think that of the four Eagles there, only two of them actually appeared on "Hotel California".

GlennLover
02-16-2016, 08:41 PM
Regarding the extremely late receipt of the 1978 Grammy, it's ironic when you think that of the four Eagles there, only two of them actually appeared on "Hotel California".

I was just replaying the Grammy tribute that I recorded last night & I thought the same thing. It brought me to tears.

sodascouts
02-16-2016, 09:01 PM
Not sure where to put this, but Rolling Stone has an article on the Grammys:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/grammys-2016-king-kendrick-lamar-steals-the-show-20160216?page=2

"The Eagles paid a very unsentimental deadpan tribute to Glenn Frey with "Take It Easy" with Jackson Browne, though nobody can step to Joe Walsh, who might be the Grammys' favorite person. (Who can forget him jamming with Paul McCartney to Side Two of Abbey Road in 2012?)"

Really? This is all they can say?

Wow. Just saw this.

I may not have liked the transitioning around it but you can't fault the Eagles or call their performance "unsentimental deadpan." They were doing their best and I found it very moving.

Unreal.

On another note, I just listened to "Drivin' Wheel", Glenn's duet with BB King. Who could have imagined they would die the same year, and be posthumously honored in the same Grammy show?

sad-cafe
02-16-2016, 09:23 PM
okay. I will say it

Don Felder can go suck an egg

SoaringRockyMountainWay
02-16-2016, 09:25 PM
I thought they did a great job. Poor Jackson Browne looked like he was about to lose it. I can't blame him because I completely lost it. As soon as I saw them on stage without Glenn, I burst into tears. There was something missing in the Eagles without him there and it just wasn't the same. But they gave it their all. They didn't seem like themselves though, especially Joe. I don't think they knew what to do with themselves without their fearless leader.

sodascouts
02-16-2016, 09:38 PM
I know. It must have been so hard for them to look at where he used to stand and not see him there, singing his heart out, then finishing it up with a big smile on his face.

JennyCH
02-16-2016, 09:59 PM
I wanted to wait until today to gather my thoughts about last night. The GRAMMYs in whole is so commercially driven, it doesn't reflect true musician talent. They go for what is cool at the moment. A very shallow overview. That is why I stopped watching years ago. I did watch The GRAMMYs last night though and felt they rushed the Eagles tribute to Glenn. I saw how painful it was for Don Henley and the band. My heart broke for Jackson Browne who was trying his best to get through the performance. I was wondering what they saw from the audience. A bunch of young, self absorbed kids who could care less how hard it was for the Eagles to play without Glenn. Well, the Kennedy Honors will be coming this year and maybe the band can be able to show a deserving tribute to Glenn Frey. I was so proud of the Eagles for their love and courage last night. They didn't do anything wrong.
I agree with this, especially, but I hope not in heart of hearts, looking out into that audience and seeing indifference....Also with regards to KCHonors, that was my first thought when I heard Glenn passed, wow, he didn't even get to go to KCH, the pinnacle of an artist's career.

sad-cafe
02-16-2016, 10:44 PM
they should have used the clip where Glenn was saying


" I realize now that there are adult RockStars-you don't have to give this up when you are 30, 35 or 40. I'll always make music. I gotta do it"

SilverAcidRayne
02-16-2016, 10:47 PM
Oh man... I just caught all this too. Rolling Stone. Smh.

Brooke
02-17-2016, 10:18 AM
I wish there was some way to know who really planned it out. Did the guys want it this way or was it the way the producers wanted it? Did tv cut off some of it or maybe that was all the guys could handle? You know how are guys are very close mouthed about everything. Glenn's picture came on first and it ended with his picture.....which is fitting, and just makes me wonder.....

OutlawManNJ
02-17-2016, 10:48 AM
Until Henley comes out and says he was "angry and upset" even "miserable". I think we should stop projecting our feelings on what we saw at the grammys. Henley to me didnt look much different then usual. I can even agree with upset, because of the emotional moment, but angry? Miserable? I dont see him angry in the video. Yet i keep reading that over and over here. Theres to much projection going on here. Maybe if Henley was a little friendlier with his fans and communicate with them we would know, but knowing him, we will never know for sure.

NightMistBlue
02-17-2016, 11:08 AM
I think this perhaps sums up the debacle of this year's Grammies quite well:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-17/paul-mccartney-turned-away-from-grammys-afterparty/7175148

I don't understand why Sir Paul McCartney would even want to hang out with no-talent as$clowns like Tyga and Bow Wow. Surely he has better things to do. That bouncer did the McCartneys a favor.

UndertheWire
02-17-2016, 11:14 AM
I agree with that, Outlawmannj. Performing live (to cue) in front of a huge tv audience must have been very nerveracking and Henley may just have been concentrating. He smiled when they were given the Grammy awards afterwards.

DivineDon
02-17-2016, 12:08 PM
Until Henley comes out and says he was "angry and upset" even "miserable". I think we should stop projecting our feelings on what we saw at the grammys. Henley to me didnt look much different then usual. I can even agree with upset, because of the emotional moment, but angry? Miserable? I dont see him angry in the video. Yet i keep reading that over and over here. Theres to much projection going on here. Maybe if Henley was a little friendlier with his fans and communicate with them we would know, but knowing him, we will never know for sure.

I wish you wouldn't call him 'Henley' his name is Don or Don Henley...and please don't project what you think I as a fan am projecting onto him. I've seen close-up photos of him from the Grammys and perhaps 'angry' might be too strong a word but he was finding it hard to keep it together.

As for him being more friendly with his fans, then you obviously aren't a big fan of his. I've read, listened and watched numerous interviews and articles Don has done and he really appreciates his fans and aknowledges their devotion but basically he's a shy man so doesn't overtly express his feelings. His 'true' fans know he's a very sentimental man who hides his emotions behind a stern exterior but so do a lot of other shy people as I know myself.

SilverAcidRayne
02-17-2016, 12:22 PM
I admire Jackson a lot more now. I think he did an awesome job and he was the right man to do it. people were getting on him cause he messed up some of the lyrics HELLO? the man just lost someone very important to him and he had to go and put on a brave face and push through. Like they all did. They are professional musicians. Even they are allowed the occasional screw up.

Maybe I should tell those Facebook haters this too. Lol

shunlvswx
02-17-2016, 12:33 PM
I admire Jackson a lot more now. I think he did an awesome job and he was the right man to do it. people were getting on him cause he messed up some of the lyrics HELLO? the man just lost someone very important to him and he had to go and put on a brave face and push through. Like they all did. They are professional musicians. Even they are allowed the occasional screw up.

Maybe I should tell those Facebook haters this too. Lol

I was standing up for Jackson on one article on Facebook. It was Entertainment Weekly. They really talked soo bad about him.

SilverAcidRayne
02-17-2016, 12:38 PM
I was standing up for Jackson on one article on Facebook. It was Entertainment Weekly. They really talked soo bad about him.

Yeah see... I can't read that. Because I would be right there with you and it won't be very nice. People are just ruthless

OutlawManNJ
02-17-2016, 12:39 PM
I wish you wouldn't call him 'Henley' his name is Don or Don Henley...and please don't project what you think I as a fan am projecting onto him. I've seen close-up photos of him from the Grammys and perhaps 'angry' might be too strong a word but he was finding it hard to keep it together.

As for him being more friendly with his fans, then you obviously aren't a big fan of his. I've read, listened and watched numerous interviews and articles Don has done and he really appreciates his fans and aknowledges their devotion but basically he's a shy man so doesn't overtly express his feelings. His 'true' fans know he's a very sentimental man who hides his emotions behind a stern exterior but so do a lot of other shy people as I know myself.

Really? You are bothered by me calling him by his name? His name is not Henley? There are two Dons and I dont really want to type full names.

OutlawManNJ
02-17-2016, 12:43 PM
I admire Jackson a lot more now. I think he did an awesome job and he was the right man to do it. people were getting on him cause he messed up some of the lyrics HELLO? the man just lost someone very important to him and he had to go and put on a brave face and push through. Like they all did. They are professional musicians. Even they are allowed the occasional screw up.

Maybe I should tell those Facebook haters this too. Lol

Same here. Always liked JB but dont know his music that much (even though i picked up some of his vinyl a while back at a thrift, now ill have to spin it). But i always respected his connection w the Eagles as I do that of JD Souther. So it was great seeing him there, he fit in like a glove and who cares about a missed lyric.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-17-2016, 12:48 PM
Until Henley comes out and says he was "angry and upset" even "miserable". I think we should stop projecting our feelings on what we saw at the grammys. Henley to me didnt look much different then usual. I can even agree with upset, because of the emotional moment, but angry? Miserable? I dont see him angry in the video. Yet i keep reading that over and over here. Theres to much projection going on here. Maybe if Henley was a little friendlier with his fans and communicate with them we would know, but knowing him, we will never know for sure.

I'm sorry but this is an extremely emotional time for the band and Eagles fans and some folks need a place to vent their emotions, just as you are doing on this board. So please do not tell people here to stop projecting their emotions - it's sometimes a very healthy thing to do. You may not agree with everyone and it's okay to have your opinion; but please don't presume to tell others how they should feel or what they should think. It may not have been your intention to come across that way, but the tone of your post may be interpreted as being dismissive of other's feelings.

And for they record, I agree with you that I didn't think Don came across as angry either - to me he just looked profoundly sad. However, there were certainly others who saw it differently so let's respect their right to express what they think and feel.

SilverAcidRayne
02-17-2016, 12:55 PM
I was looking through some pics yesterday. and I saw the one with Don Henley at Stern's interview. it hurt so bad cause I didn't see the light in his eyes. It was almost like he knew. And he was just physically present. it wasn't the bright blue eyed Henley we know and love. Broke my heart.

OutlawManNJ
02-17-2016, 01:17 PM
I'm sorry but this is an extremely emotional time for the band and Eagles fans and some folks need a place to vent their emotions, just as you are doing on this board. So please do not tell people here to stop projecting their emotions - it's sometimes a very healthy thing to do. You may not agree with everyone and it's okay to have your opinion; but please don't presume to tell others how they should feel or what they should think. It may not have been your intention to come across that way, but the tone of your post may be interpreted as being dismissive of other's feelings.

And for they record, I agree with you that I didn't think Don came across as angry either - to me he just looked profoundly sad. However, there were certainly others who saw it differently so let's respect their right to express what they think and feel.

Im just stating a fact: that we do not know if Henley was angry, so for people to simply assume that and repeatedly post that he was angry and miserable is somewhat irresponsible. It starts a rumour based on personal feelings that overtime will become "fact" espcially since its posted on an Eagles forum. So until Henley makes a statement saying his was angry at the grammy people and miseable being there i dont see the point of us repeating that as if it is a fact.

I suggest you guys get in touch with henleys people and see if we can get a statement from him

DivineDon
02-17-2016, 02:13 PM
Really? You are bothered by me calling him by his name? His name is not Henley? There are two Dons and I dont really want to type full names.

And you just pick up on this point and ignore the main point of my post. ...

deb828
02-17-2016, 02:58 PM
I admire Jackson a lot more now. I think he did an awesome job and he was the right man to do it. people were getting on him cause he messed up some of the lyrics HELLO? the man just lost someone very important to him and he had to go and put on a brave face and push through. Like they all did. They are professional musicians. Even they are allowed the occasional screw up.

Maybe I should tell those Facebook haters this too. Lol
YES Jackson is great and he obviously knows the lyrics, as someone posted above, as he wrote it! People are so nasty sometimes.

SilverAcidRayne
02-17-2016, 03:20 PM
Absolutely. So true.

OutlawManNJ
02-17-2016, 05:14 PM
You actually believe that the only reason we think that Henley looks angry, upset, and miserable is because we are? That's completely absurd. Those emotions were written all over his face. Ever lost a brother? Angry, upset, and miserable is just the tip of the iceberg. It's called grief and it is entirely justified.


Again, i dont think Henley looks angry, upset or miserable. Find me one video of henley being all smiles while drumming. If Henley thought he would be miserable doing that show he probably wouldnt have done it. Of course he was probably upset about Glenn...but please tell me what he was angry about. Just facts please. There is no evidence that he was angry with CBS or the grammies or whatever other than opinions here based on zero facts.

Shadowland07
02-17-2016, 05:28 PM
Again, i dont think Henley looks angry, upset or miserable. Find me one video of henley being all smiles while drumming. If Henley thought he would be miserable doing that show he probably wouldnt have done it. Of course he was probably upset about Glenn...but please tell me what he was angry about. Just facts please. There is no evidence that he was angry with CBS or the grammies or whatever other than opinions here based on zero facts.

There are a few videos on YouTube where you can see Henley having a good time drumming. One that immediately comes to mind is when they play "Rocky Mountain Way" from the '77 concert, Henley can be seen smiling. For a more recent one I'd have to watch some.

Freypower
02-17-2016, 05:56 PM
There were a couple of posts where some said that they thought Don Henley looked 'angry'. My own expression was 'stony faced'. With grief.

I don't know why this has suddenly become such an issue.

OutlawManNJ
02-17-2016, 06:52 PM
That's kind of what I was thinking. It is just my perception of what I saw. Is this not a place to share opinions and perceptions? Of course it is. I didn't mean it as a slight to Henley at all.

We are having a communication breakdown:

my "complaint" about people repeatedly saying Henley was angry or miserable isnt because i think people are slighting Henley....its because i think there is zero basis of fact to say Henley was angry at anything. It seems like people are indicaticating that because of the grammys somewhat passé handling of Freys death compared to motorhead guy and bowie and bb...people have jumped to the conclusion that Henley is angry. I just dont see any evidence of him being angry...he was probably just generally saddened for the reason that they were even there. Until Henley makes a statement (dont hold your breath) its best we stick to the facts we know and we know he was sad...not angry.

Freypower
02-17-2016, 06:54 PM
We are having a communication breakdown:

my "complaint" about people repeatedly saying Henley was angry or miserable isnt because i think people are slighting Henley....its because i think there is zero basis of fact to say Henley was angry at anything. It seems like people are indicaticating that because of the grammys somewhat passé handling of Freys death compared to motorhead guy and bowie and bb...people have jumped to the conclusion that Henley is angry. I just dont see any evidence of him being angry...he was probably just generally saddened for the reason that they were even there. Until Henley makes a statement (dont hold your breath) its best we stick to the facts we know and we know he was sad...not angry.

Yes. I think you have made your point.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-17-2016, 07:19 PM
Except that we don't have any facts that he wasn't angry either. None of us know what Don was feeling inside so all we have to go on are our perceptions. I'm not sure how it is that one person's perception is any more factual than another's. It's really a rather ridiculous discussion that only one person here seems to want to make an issue of. So OLMNJ, if you are really that interested in knowing how Don felt, I suggest you "get in touch with henleys people and see if we can get a statement from him". Otherwise, let's drop it.

MaryCalifornia
02-17-2016, 10:56 PM
So, I just went backed and watched this for the 3rd or 4th time after a couple of days and lots of reading of comments, and here's what I noticed, when not focusing on technical production mess-ups:

The crowd gave the guys a lovely welcome when the curtain went up - keep in mind this was an "in memoriam," so there wasn't going to be raucous screaming. The visual of those guys up there without Glenn would more likely lead to silence, not whooping - it's a real punch in the gut.

During the crowd shots, I see the individuals singing along and boppin' along. They gave a heartfelt, robustly clapping standing ovation. When they realized there would be further action on stage, they remained standing. I'm not sure what more we were expecting from the audience, but upon further viewing, they seemed totally appropriate.

Even though the guys rehearsed, the performance must have been totally surreal for them.

I did not hear or see Henley dropping out of the harmonies as I've read somewhere, Jackson did - he was letting the other 5 make the harmonies.

chaim
02-18-2016, 05:25 AM
The first thing I noticed was that the guitar introduction to Take It Easy was weaker than before. Maybe it's because there was no 12-string. Maybe it's because there were two people strumming an acoustic so they can't be completely in sync. Although I like to think that no one can strum the intro with the same kind of authority, determination and precision as Glenn. :smile:

I have to say that when Jackson made a lyrical error, it meant nothing to me. Those things happen even in happier circumstances. And it's basically his song. Lots of people have picked on it (not here, but elsewhere), but it's so easy these days to write anything that comes to mind for everyone to see. I'm sure most of them will realize sooner or later that it's a non-issue.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-18-2016, 12:25 PM
I've rewatched the performance several times and have a few more thoughts after letting it 'sink in' for a few days. As has been discussed here, I think the biggest problem I had with it was the technical production and the rough transition we saw. I wonder if these problems were as noticable to the live audience?

It seems to me that it would have made all the difference in the world if there had been a commercial break or long pause before launching right into Glenn's video in mid-sentence. I also think the segment on Irving by Anna Kendrick that followed the performance should have preceded it. Then she could have made a smoother segue into the video.

And then there is the video itself. I actually liked the idea of the video - to me it suggested that Glenn needed no introduction and it was the band's way of letting him have the final word. However, it was very poorly executed to say the least. As many here have commented, it seems an odd choice to have Glenn speak of how fun it was to sing harmonies. There were so many other great clips that could have been used, but I would have thought that Irving, the band members, and/or Glenn's family selected that particular one. I was thinking that many people may not even know what he was talking about from what the way it was shown on TV. Did the video begin in mid-sentence live or did that happen just for the TV audience? If a longer segment of the clip was used, it may have provided more context and made a bit more sense.

And, this has nothing to do with the technical production, but I was surprise to see Steuart on the stage too. I noticed he did not come back on stage and take a bow.

scottside
02-18-2016, 02:09 PM
And, this has nothing to do with the technical production, but I was surprise to see Stueart on the stage too. I noticed he did not come back on stage and take a bow.[/QUOTE]

I, too, was surprised to see Steuart and honestly, I don't think he was necessary at all. Joe could've played the electric rhythm part that Steuart played while Jackson handled the acoustic. It was strange that he was there considering no other backing band member was.

UndertheWire
02-18-2016, 02:14 PM
Maybe he was there for the vocal harmonies.

MaryCalifornia
02-18-2016, 03:38 PM
Yep UTW. Bigger guitar sounds and stronger harmonies. If not Steuart, who?

AlreadyGone95
02-18-2016, 03:40 PM
I've been thinking that maybe Stueart wanted to play, to honor Glenn. While he's technically not an Eagle, he has been a vital member of the backing band for almost 15 years.

travlnman2
02-18-2016, 03:43 PM
Yep UTW. Bigger guitar sounds and stronger harmonies. If not Steuart, who?

I like the three electirc guitar version the best

chaim
02-18-2016, 04:05 PM
I, too, was surprised to see Steuart and honestly, I don't think he was necessary at all. Joe could've played the electric rhythm part that Steuart played while Jackson handled the acoustic. It was strange that he was there considering no other backing band member was.

Steuart played some of Bernie's parts, and Bernie was there. Joe playing an acoustic was fine IMO, but I don't get why they needed Steuart since Bernie was there. Maybe they did want him for the harmonies. Makes more sense to me. It's not that it bothers me that he was there.

JennyCH
02-18-2016, 04:05 PM
I've rewatched the performance several times...I think the biggest problem I had with it was the technical production and the rough transition we saw. I wonder if these problems were as noticable to the live audience?
It seems to me that it would have made all the difference in the world if there had been a commercial break or long pause before launching right into Glenn's video in mid-sentence. I also think the segment on Irving by Anna Kendrick that followed the performance should have preceded it. Then she could have made a smoother segue into the video.
......However, it was very poorly executed to say the least. As many here have commented, it seems an odd choice to have Glenn speak of how fun it was to sing harmonies. There were so many other great clips that could have been used, .....Did the video begin in mid-sentence live or did that happen just for the TV audience? If a longer segment of the clip was used, it may have provided more context and made a bit more sense.


I agree with this wholeheartedly. The director of the show should have allowed a pause after the previous winners were finished (cut off actually)... I think also the start with Glenn speaking was great idea now that I've seen it a few times and perhaps know it's coming...Anyway, yes, given the lack of a break and some background sounds in audience/speaker being cut off/people gasping (in surprise at Glenn or the songwriter being cut off?), it seemed to come in mid-sentence. I was reminded earlier in thread that Glenn's spoken intro clip was from Farewell I Melbourne concert and I watched that interview yesterday. They probably went to that DVD because I'm thinking the Eagles own the rights and that didn't require a long process of securing permission to use. Something from Tavis Smiley recent interview with a lot of great quotes or HOTE ala "People did things to the Eagles..." might require permission from PBS, show producers OR Showtime, the documentary directors, etc. Anyway, on that video, there's another great statement where Glenn talks about how great it is to play those great songs on stage. You're in the darkness but you're aware of the fans all around you and the place is sold out. :inlove: Pardon that I didn't transcribe the quote. I'll def get it tomorrow.

Elizasong
02-18-2016, 05:39 PM
I've rewatched the performance several times and have a few more thoughts after letting it 'sink in' for a few days. As has been discussed here, I think the biggest problem I had with it was the technical production and the rough transition we saw. I wonder if these problems were as noticable to the live audience?

It seems to me that it would have made all the difference in the world if there had been a commercial break or long pause before launching right into Glenn's video in mid-sentence. I also think the segment on Irving by Anna Kendrick that followed the performance should have preceded it. Then she could have made a smoother segue into the video.

And then there is the video itself. I actually liked the idea of the video - to me it suggested that Glenn needed no introduction and it was the band's way of letting him have the final word. However, it was very poorly executed to say the least. As many here have commented, it seems an odd choice to have Glenn speak of how fun it was to sing harmonies. There were so many other great clips that could have been used, but I would have thought that Irving, the band members, and/or Glenn's family selected that particular one. I was thinking that many people may not even know what he was talking about from what the way it was shown on TV. Did the video begin in mid-sentence live or did that happen just for the TV audience? If a longer segment of the clip was used, it may have provided more context and made a bit more sense.

And, this has nothing to do with the technical production, but I was surprise to see Steuart on the stage too. I noticed he did not come back on stage and take a bow.

I've noticed with awards show because the producers are so hell bent on staying on schedule and the acceptance speeches usually go over they lose seconds in areas of transition like what we saw with the Glenn clip. Ed Sheeran's cowriter was about to make her acceptance speech but they cut her out to go to the Glenn clip. That was probably what we heard where you could not hear the beginning of the Glenn clip. Overall I thought it was good and very emotional for everyone involved. Personally I would have had the picture of Glenn showing throughout the whole song but I guess the producers or the band wanted that done for effect.

Prettymaid
02-19-2016, 11:00 PM
I've spent the better part of an hour trying to embed this YouTube video on my iPad and finally gave up. If anyone wants to help me out with that there's a thread in the Border News forum called New YouTube Video player. For now here is a link to the Grammys tribute, Glenn video included.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umgcnHBGXkI

Enough time has passed that I feel I can review the performance and be a little more neutral.

First of all, I know most of you thought that Jackson looked anguished during the entire performance, and while I agree that he did, I don't think he was as close to tears as we thought. I've seen him live five times or more, and the older he gets the more he struggles vocally. My take is that his facial expressions come from him trying to sing the song well. As much as I love JB (and those here who have known me since the first time I saw him live can attest to that), he is a better songwriter than vocalist. Please don't get me wrong - I love Jackson's voice - but he's no Glenn Frey. I'm sure he wanted to do a good job on this stage with the remaining Eagles backing him. He knew he had big shoes to fill.

As for the second verse, I agree with some here who said that you could hear Timothy much more clearly than you usually can. I listened to that part over and over and did not think the two voices blended nearly as well as when Timothy would join Glenn. It's just another testament to how well the Eagles voices jelled together. Jackson's voice did not blend well with Timothy's. Again, not a dig at Jackson in the slightest. I love him, but he's no Eagle.

After watching it two or three times I finally heard that it's Joe that calls out, "Come on!" to get the audience into it. Maybe he saw that they were looking somber and wanted to hear them singing along (as audiences normally do to TIE). Then, when the camera goes to him you can see him away from his mic mouthing the 'such a fine sight to see' part. As a Joe fan, I really enjoyed seeing that, because it's so unusual to see him mouthing the words to songs while onstage but, as Shun pointed out earlier in this thread, it wasn't unusual to see Glenn doing it. A nod to Glenn? Maybe not purposely, but that's sure what I thought of when I saw it.

As far as the Don looking angry conversation, I bought into it at first, but after watching it over and over, I think he was just being Don. This seems especially clear after we saw the photos of him with a big smile on his face while receiving the Hotel California Grammy.

And finally, Jackson forgetting the words near the end...after watching again and again, I am convinced that when Jackson stopped singing long enough to call out, "Sing it!", he caused himself to trip up and momentarily forget the words. After seeing him live several times over the past seven years, I know that he tends to forget the words. He even jokes about it on his Solo Acoustic CD when he says something like, 'I want you to know that I don't forget the words to the same song every night.' He has his style of performing live, and the Eagles had there way of performing live, and they are very different. Both wonderful, but different.

I just wondered if anyone else has changed their thoughts on any of these points after letting a few days pass.

sodascouts
02-19-2016, 11:22 PM
I embedded it for you, PM.

I think that for me, at least, it was the botched transition into it that seemed the most jarring, and the lack of anything actually said about Glenn. Seeing the performance in isolation improves it. I never had a problem with the performance itself, and Jackson was doing his best.

Prettymaid
02-19-2016, 11:30 PM
I embedded it for you, PM.

Thank you!

travlnman2
02-20-2016, 12:00 AM
I think Jackson was just to upset to keep singing. If you just look at his eyes and facial expression you can tell it. As far as Don being angry I agree he is just being Don but in the middle before Bernie's solo that Drum fill is a little louder then normal was it grie?f I think so. Joe's come on lightend it up a little bit.

chaim
02-20-2016, 03:39 AM
Personally I liked how Glenn's face appeared towards the end of the song - that he wasn't there throughout the song. I think it's more effective and moving that way.

DivineDon
02-20-2016, 07:33 AM
This was posted on the Don Henley United FB page.

'As for the Eagles with Jackson Browne, "to be honest I'm amazed it happened," says Ehrlich. Not only was it a rare example of a salute performed by actual bandmates, but the performance came less than a month after Glenn Frey's death. "I called Irving [Azoff, their manager] and said I realized we're so close to it at this point, but do you think there's a possibility that they would come and salute Glenn? And initially, it was 'highly unlikely.' And then things just changed over the course of a week." No one on stage appeared to be taking it emotionally easy. "I spoke with Joe [Walsh] afterward, and I could tell from just looking at Don [Henley] and Jackson that it was emotional for them. I'm really glad we had the opportunity to do" what may go down as the last public Eagles performance ever, "and I'm sorry we had to do it, but I think it was fitting."'

Ive always been a dreamer
02-20-2016, 12:16 PM
Sure would have love to know what happened that caused the guys to change their minds and go through with this. I'm sure glad they did!

And DD - thanks for posting this. I hope you don't mind, but I moved your post to this thread since it was specifically about the Grammy tribute.

DivineDon
02-20-2016, 12:31 PM
No problem, thanks IABAD

Ive always been a dreamer
02-20-2016, 01:35 PM
I just took this screenshot from the video that PM posted ...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b296/kay8342/Glenn%20Frey%20Grammy%20Tribute%20Bow%201_zpss6eik uqf.png (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/kay8342/media/Glenn%20Frey%20Grammy%20Tribute%20Bow%201_zpss6eik uqf.png.html)

...The curtain falls, I take my bow
That's how it's meant to be
It's your world now.

Prettymaid
02-20-2016, 01:39 PM
Oh, Dreamer! :cry:

DivineDon
02-20-2016, 03:16 PM
Oh my, I feel so sad :'(

AlreadyGone95
02-20-2016, 04:32 PM
:weep: :weep:. That screenshot is beautiful, yet heart wrenching at the same time.

L101
02-20-2016, 04:50 PM
Love the screenshot but so sad..... http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/sad/sad-eyes-smiley-emoticon.gif

shunlvswx
02-20-2016, 04:58 PM
I kinda have that same picture as my cover picture on my facebook page. Mine is the one before they bowed. That's the first time I changed my cover picture since Glenn's death. I had that picture of Glenn sitting in a truck for almost a week until Monday.

buffyfan145
02-20-2016, 04:59 PM
Aww, I love it too but it's got me all emotional again with those lyrics. :cry:

SilverAcidRayne
02-20-2016, 06:04 PM
I kinda have that same picture as my cover picture on my facebook page. Mine is the one before they bowed. That's the first time I changed my cover picture since Glenn's death. I had that picture of Glenn sitting in a truck for almost a week until Monday.

I just changed my music page. but my personal will stay for quite a while

shunlvswx
02-20-2016, 06:18 PM
Oops. I meant almost a month not week.

SilverAcidRayne
02-20-2016, 06:56 PM
my wallpaper doesn't move either... cant bring myself to change it

AlreadyGone95
02-20-2016, 07:22 PM
I don't foresee any of my backgrounds changing anytime soon, either, especially not my Facebook profile picture/cover photo.

Ive always been a dreamer
02-20-2016, 10:10 PM
I have to say, after I posted the Grammy picture today, I came back in this thread to read some additional posts. I scrolled back up to that picture and stared at it a few minutes and then, just burst into tears. This week has been so emotional with Glenn's Troubadour tribute, the Grammys, the memorial service, and then the unveiling of Glenn Frey Drive. It just all seems so final and the end is a reality. But, we are so fortunate to still have their music, which will live on forever.

gpirvine
02-20-2016, 10:26 PM
Just thought I'd mention this. Only one TV station in the Uk showed the Grammys and it was broadcast on Tuesday night. I'm thoroughly disgusted to report that the performance of "Take It Easy" was cut altogether! Not even a mention!! The so-called "music" station in question gears it's demographic to the "Kardashian et al" audience so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. But I'm absolutely appalled by this. Unforgivable!!!

Ive always been a dreamer
02-20-2016, 10:51 PM
That is such a shame that they decided to cut the Eagles performance in the U.K. As many of us have said, even with all of the technical difficulties, we are still grateful that it happened.

gpirvine
02-20-2016, 11:07 PM
Obviously I was able to catch it on other sources but I just thought it was petty and narrow minded especially as Glenn's passing had received fairly widespread coverage over here. I'll be venting my spleen to them on my next day off!

NightMistBlue
02-22-2016, 12:17 PM
I loved the performance, even though obviously there were some glitches.

Bernie's playing got a big response from the audience, especially his solo.

I don't remember if Bernie played the TIE solo in the HOTE concerts, though I assume he did. Anyone recall?

shunlvswx
02-22-2016, 12:55 PM
I loved the performance, even though obviously there were some glitches.

Bernie's playing got a big response from the audience, especially his solo.

I don't remember if Bernie played the TIE solo in the HOTE concerts, though I assume he did. Anyone recall?

I just looked at a few clips from the HOTE tour on Youtube and Bernie did play the solo.

Brooke
02-22-2016, 02:02 PM
I've spent the better part of an hour trying to embed this YouTube video on my iPad and finally gave up. If anyone wants to help me out with that there's a thread in the Border News forum called New YouTube Video player. For now here is a link to the Grammys tribute, Glenn video included.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umgcnHBGXkI

Enough time has passed that I feel I can review the performance and be a little more neutral.

First of all, I know most of you thought that Jackson looked anguished during the entire performance, and while I agree that he did, I don't think he was as close to tears as we thought. I've seen him live five times or more, and the older he gets the more he struggles vocally. My take is that his facial expressions come from him trying to sing the song well. As much as I love JB (and those here who have known me since the first time I saw him live can attest to that), he is a better songwriter than vocalist. Please don't get me wrong - I love Jackson's voice - but he's no Glenn Frey. I'm sure he wanted to do a good job on this stage with the remaining Eagles backing him. He knew he had big shoes to fill.

As for the second verse, I agree with some here who said that you could hear Timothy much more clearly than you usually can. I listened to that part over and over and did not think the two voices blended nearly as well as when Timothy would join Glenn. It's just another testament to how well the Eagles voices jelled together. Jackson's voice did not blend well with Timothy's. Again, not a dig at Jackson in the slightest. I love him, but he's no Eagle.

After watching it two or three times I finally heard that it's Joe that calls out, "Come on!" to get the audience into it. Maybe he saw that they were looking somber and wanted to hear them singing along (as audiences normally do to TIE). Then, when the camera goes to him you can see him away from his mic mouthing the 'such a fine sight to see' part. As a Joe fan, I really enjoyed seeing that, because it's so unusual to see him mouthing the words to songs while onstage but, as Shun pointed out earlier in this thread, it wasn't unusual to see Glenn doing it. A nod to Glenn? Maybe not purposely, but that's sure what I thought of when I saw it.

As far as the Don looking angry conversation, I bought into it at first, but after watching it over and over, I think he was just being Don. This seems especially clear after we saw the photos of him with a big smile on his face while receiving the Hotel California Grammy.

And finally, Jackson forgetting the words near the end...after watching again and again, I am convinced that when Jackson stopped singing long enough to call out, "Sing it!", he caused himself to trip up and momentarily forget the words. After seeing him live several times over the past seven years, I know that he tends to forget the words. He even jokes about it on his Solo Acoustic CD when he says something like, 'I want you to know that I don't forget the words to the same song every night.' He has his style of performing live, and the Eagles had there way of performing live, and they are very different. Both wonderful, but different.

I just wondered if anyone else has changed their thoughts on any of these points after letting a few days pass.

This is a great analysis, Pm! Thank you and I agree with every word! As for Don, I just thought he looked stressed, not angry.

deb828
02-24-2016, 05:38 PM
I do agree with you, also. I LOVE Jackson Browne, too, and he is wonderful to see in concert, but he isn't as strong vocally as Glenn. I enjoyed seeing him play the song with the Eagles, even though it wasn't perfect.