Eagles.... 3.0

[sodascouts]

It is patently obvious to me that I am not only out of step with the mood of this thread, but also the mood of this board which now seems to be swinging towards the band continuing without Frey. I honestly never thought I would see such a situation develop.

Actually, FP, it looks like most people here agree with you, if you look at it in terms of the percentage of posters rather than the percentage of posts. For instance, just because a few people such as Annoying Twit post a great deal doesn't mean that their opinion is the dominant one. It's just that they view this as a debate they hope to "win", so they keep going round and round and round... but for me, there is no debate, and there is certainly no winner.

As for the board continuing... I've made my decision. Yes, it will.

It contains years of posts, including posts that are in memory of Glenn. I'm not going to delete them. Plus, I still want to talk about them as they were. I will continue to pay the bills and maintain the board as well as the sites, which I now view as an archive.

However, I will not change anything. As far as I'm concerned, the Eagles are over. To me, the Remnants do not count. People can talk about them here, talk about their shows here, sure. I won't stop them. I'll even facilitate it in terms of creating show threads and such.

However, Eagles Online Central will not be updated and this board's construction will not be changed. Glenn will not be removed from the banner. He will not be relegated to "Former Eagles."

That's the way I'm going to handle it.

I know my approach won't please everyone; indeed, it may not please anyone. I expect to receive some criticism, and I'm sure there will be issues down the road, but I'll just deal with them as they come the best I can.

[Freypower]

You're just being unrealistic, FreyPower. People can't spend all of their time grieving and mourning, regardless of how deeply the loss is felt. Life has to go on. The remaining Eagles have paid their respects to Glenn, publicly and privately, and now they're moving on. We can debate their method of moving on, but to expect Don Henley's remaining years to be a shrine and tribute to Glenn is totally unfair. That would be denial.

I never suggested such a thing.

I agree with Soda that continuing the debate isn't achieving anything, so I won't.

[MaryCalifornia]

Soda, if your purpose is to make members feel guilty for making future posts in the guys' or "Eagles" show threads and enjoying their future endeavors, you have succeeded.

You refuse to attend Don's show that you had been planning on. You condescendingly refer to Don, Joe and Tim as Remnants who don't count. If you are so furious with them, why on earth would you continue to facilitate the board? Lock it up except for the Glenn threads.

I for one don't want to participate with a founder/admin who is so hostile to the guys and passive aggressive. You can do whatever you want with the site, but it appears you have chosen a compromise that isn't good for anyone. Frankly, I'm astonished by your current perspective. Your post has taken all of the enjoyment of participating out of it for me, so I'm out. If your enjoyment has been canceled by Glenn's death and your role is now that of a martyr for continuing the site, you should be out, too.

[GlennLover]

Actually, FP, it looks like most people here agree with you, if you look at it in terms of the percentage of posters rather than the percentage of posts. For instance, just because a few people such as Annoying Twit post a great deal doesn't mean that their opinion is the dominant one. It's just that they view this as a debate they hope to "win", so they keep going round and round and round... but for me, there is no debate, and there is certainly no winner.

As for the board continuing... I've made my decision. Yes, it will.

It contains years of posts, including posts that are in memory of Glenn. I'm not going to delete them. Plus, I still want to talk about them as they were. I will continue to pay the bills and maintain the board as well as the sites, which I now view as an archive.

However, I will not change anything. As far as I'm concerned, the Eagles are over. To me, the Remnants do not count. People can talk about them here, talk about their shows here, sure. I won't stop them. I'll even facilitate it in terms of creating show threads and such.

However, Eagles Online Central will not be updated and this board's construction will not be changed. Glenn will not be removed from the banner. He will not be relegated to "Former Eagles."

That's the way I'm going to handle it.

I know my approach won't please everyone; indeed, it may not please anyone. I expect to receive some criticism, and I'm sure there will be issues down the road, but I'll just deal with them as they come the best I can.

I am sooo glad that you have decided to keep the board going and I agree with your approach. The Eagles are over for me as well. It is so painful to think of them performing (as the Eagles) without Glenn. I'm very disappointed that the surviving Eagles have decided to carry on this way. I believe that money is part of the reason they are doing the festivals, but not the sole reason.

I was hoping for a public tribute as well, but now that the one year anniversary of Glenn's death has passed I'm not expecting anything now.

This is just how I feel & I respect the opinions of others who don't feel the same way. As Soda said, this is not a debate. There's no win or lose, no right or wrong. It's just a discussion with people stating how they feel and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

[sodascouts]

Thanks, GL.

Mary, I'm sorry I angered you. I'm not trying to upset anyone. I'm trying to keep my negativity limited to this thread and not rain on parades elsewhere.

I'm just doing the best I can but I know not everyone will find that acceptable. There are probably many who feel the same way you do. Perhaps some even view me with contempt and find me ridiculous. It saddens me, but I understand. If you ever change your mind, you are always welcome.

[RudieCantFail]

Well, I know that I've said that I would go if I was in the vicinity of the whole thing. However, I would be more inclined to do it for Fleetwood Mac and Earth, Wind, and Fire. I'm not 100% for this at all, but I was just spitballing ways that would take the sting out of it a little. I can see now though that some are just not happy with it at all/disappointed altogether and others are ok with it but maybe preferred a different name. If some don't fit in the two general categories that I described, then good on ya for having a different opinion.

This is coming from someone who has never been to a concert other than Henley last July. FM for me before something bad happens/I can't see them b/c I may be going to a college that's in the middle of nowhere, and EW&F for my Mom.

All I'm hoping is some sort of official statement, so we would have a definitive answer from one of the Eagles. I don't know if I would like Azoff's answer.

[Funk 50]

Funk 50 - Sorry for the typo error. I should not have been talking on the phone and typing at the same time. My nephew is getting married this weekend so I feel like I have been living on the phone for the past week to 10 days. I have sisters who live out of state so numerous phone calls back and forth.

I was not criticizing those tributes made by Don, Joe and Tim, and I am sorry if it came off that way. I just mean that Glenn is certainly worthy of some kind of tribute - something along the lines George received. I hope it will happen.

Sorry I misinterpreted your words New Kid In Town and thanks for clearing it up so promptly. :hug:

[Funk 50]

As for the board continuing... I've made my decision. Yes, it will.

However, Eagles Online Central will not be updated and this board's construction will not be changed. Glenn will not be removed from the banner. He will not be relegated to "Former Eagles."

That's the way I'm going to handle it.


Sorry to truncate your post sodascouts. I'm very pleased that the board will continue. I hope it helps the Frey fans achieve some kind of closure.

Glenn's certainly done enough to be worthy of a permanent place on the banner but I'm surprised that you consider the move to Former Eagles as a relegation. It's not a judgement on his importance, it's just an accurate statement of fact. The obvious solution is to give all seven equal billing and dispense with the "Former Eagles" section altogether. I still consider Glenn as, historically, the premier Eagle even though he's no longer involved.

If you consider being up to date, accurate and welcoming as unimportant, I'm sure that will have a detrimental affect on the site, and a bad reflection on a highly respectable host. Thanks for speaking up so eloquently, Mary California.

[Annoying Twit]

Actually, FP, it looks like most people here agree with you, if you look at it in terms of the percentage of posters rather than the percentage of posts. For instance, just because a few people such as Annoying Twit post a great deal doesn't mean that their opinion is the dominant one. It's just that they view this as a debate they hope to "win", so they keep going round and round and round... but for me, there is no debate, and there is certainly no winner.
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This is a very unfair, and incorrect, desription of what I am thinking and what I am doing in this thread. I am not seeing it as something that can be 'won' or 'lost' in the least.

I think that this is a problem in this thread. People are attributing motives to others which they either (i) do not have (because I know what I am thinking) or (ii) where there is insufficient information to conclude that they have these motives (as in what Eagles and people such as Irving Azoff are thinking.)

What people such as Eagles and Azoff are thinking is up for debate as we don't know. But, I certainly know what my thinking/thoughts are, and they are nothing like how you describe them.

[Philh]

I'm very sad the way this has all developed. I'm pleased the message board is continuing but it has lost it's appeal knowing that Soda feels the way she does.
As I have said before the Eagles can never be the same again but I'm just glad I can still see Don, Joe and Timothy perform.
I bought tickets for Classic East and am looking forward to a long weekend in New York.
Yes, I will really miss Glenn, but this is the next best thing.

[L101]

Soda, if your purpose is to make members feel guilty for making future posts in the guys' or "Eagles" show threads and enjoying their future endeavors, you have succeeded.

You refuse to attend Don's show that you had been planning on. You condescendingly refer to Don, Joe and Tim as Remnants who don't count. If you are so furious with them, why on earth would you continue to facilitate the board? Lock it up except for the Glenn threads.

I for one don't want to participate with a founder/admin who is so hostile to the guys and passive aggressive. You can do whatever you want with the site, but it appears you have chosen a compromise that isn't good for anyone. Frankly, I'm astonished by your current perspective. Your post has taken all of the enjoyment of participating out of it for me, so I'm out. If your enjoyment has been canceled by Glenn's death and your role is now that of a martyr for continuing the site, you should be out, too.

I agree 100% with you MC. I am saddened and disappointed with Sodas post - saddened that she still feels this way and that Glenn is the only one of importance within the Eagles and disappointed that she feels the need to demote Don, Joe and Timothy to mere backup musicians or remnants! Do you know how much of an insult that is to them and to their fans ?!?!

So I think you should do as MC suggests and lock all threads apart from Glenn's - he's the only one that matters after all.
I used to be a fan of Glenn's before I joined this forum, but over the last year or so, not so much anymore. The attitudes of his "superfans" leave a lot to be desired.

There is no fun on this forum anymore, only spite and jealousy and maybe it's time for this to change

I'm sorry if you think I'm being too harsh, but I've really had enough of all this arguing and disagreements. If we all liked the same thing, the world would be a very boring place.

[Annoying Twit]

It is part of human relationships that sometimes things don't go well and you have to be patient and wait for things to improve.

Clearly Soda and I disagree about things. However, as long as we are still discussing then eventually a mutual understanding might be reached. Soda has the power to ban me any time she wants to. That she hasn't even though I have disagreed shows maturity and reasonableness.

I don't want to engage in cod psychology, but I do think that people are hurting at Glenn's loss, and perhaps this has been expressed in some ways through striking out. These concerts and the way that they perhaps have acted as a lightning rod for the pain that many are feeling. However, this is just a wild guess on my part in my trying to understand what is happening. I don't claim to know what other people are thinking and their motivations. People are more complicated than that.

My experience of online forums is that if there is a split then we're unlikely to end up with multiple functioning forums, but probably two smaller forums that dwindle into inaction and irrelevance. Hence, my intention is to stay.

When I arrived at this forum, not that long ago, Eagles had been one of several bands that I listened to, and there was much, particularly solo work, that I wasn't that knowledgeable about. I've had some very good experiences here, particularly the release of Tim's Leap of Faith and being able to share that with other fans as I know no-one in real life who is a dedicated TBS fan. I'm catching up with everything, and it's exposing me to new music. I believe that there is still much I can benefit from through remaining a member of this forum.

I'm very much looking forward to the forthcoming Jack Tempchin album with Glenn's songs on it, and hope to be able to share that experience with others too. Where is that going to happen if not here?

[sodascouts]

I sincerely hope you have a good time, Phil.

I completely understand why you, L101, and Mary feel the way you do, and I know you are not alone. I respect all of you.

I wish I could change the way I feel so that you three and others would be happy, but I can't, so I will just have to accept the inevitable negative consequences of that. I'm not looking forward to that; I'm not looking forward to losing people I admire like the three of you. However, I will not be able to personally support the decision of the band going on without Glenn.

It's a no-win situation. I have prepared myself for the very real possibility that this board will die as a result of my inability to get behind "Eagles 3.0". The thought is painful after 11 years of enjoying this board, but I can't pretend I am gung-ho just to keep the numbers up.

I appreciate your friendly attitude, Phil, even though I know I have disappointed you and others who feel the same way. Again, if your feelings should ever change, you are welcome.

[chaim]

I don't envy Soda at the moment. Like I've said before, I have zero interest in the band without Glenn, but clearly there are people who would still like to see them, so I don't want to spoil their fun. However, it's easy for me to say this, because I'm not running, maintaining, managing (or whatever the correct verb is) a website, like Soda is. If I was "maintaining" an Eagles website, I probably wouldn't have any interest in supporting the "3.0 Eagles" (posting news etc.) either. So I feel for you, Soda.

There are people here, especially Annoying Twit (despite the screen name), who still support the band, but talk about it in such a mature manner that it doesn't hurt me even though I've always been a big Glenn fan. I won't name names when it comes to (IMO) hurtful and mean ways of talking about it.

[travlnman2]

No Soda please dont let this board die:(. There are some forums i was apart of that were for bands no longer aroundnbut still completly active

[buffyfan145]

I'm glad you're keeping the board open for now Soda as I did enjoy finding it last year and getting to know all of you. It has been a bit hard since this announcement and how divided everyone is, but it seems like that in general with a lot of my fandoms and how the world is now especially online. I've come to accept what the guys are doing even though I still don't fully agree with it. Glenn was my favorite but I love everyone in the Eagles and Glenn will always be such a huge presence.

That said if the board ever does shut down I'll understand. Just having lost the IMDB one and how social media sites have come and gone over the almost 20 years I've used the internet I guess I'm used to having things for such a short time, especially being part of a TV show fandom that usually only lasts 6 to 7 years if that.

[chaim]

I'm glad you're keeping the board open for now Soda as I did enjoy finding it last year and getting to know all of you. It has been a bit hard since this announcement and how divided everyone is, but it seems like that in general with a lot of my fandoms and how the world is now especially online. I've come to accept what the guys are doing even though I still don't fully agree with it. Glenn was my favorite but I love everyone in the Eagles and Glenn will always be such a huge presence.

That said if the board ever does shut down I'll understand. Just having lost the IMDB one and how social media sites have come and gone over the almost 20 years I've used the internet I guess I'm used to having things for such a short time, especially being part of a TV show fandom that usually only lasts 6 to 7 years if that.

Pretty much how I feel at the moment. It's been easier to accept because there are people even in this forum who like to seem the play. The Eagles is ("are"?) over for me, but I understand now that it's not over for everyone.

[shunlvswx]

I understand Soda's decision. I'm staying. I'm not leaving this board even though I will feel like an outsider because that's how I basically feel right now and its not fun. :sigh: I probably be the only person posting in Don's thread. I had posted three things the last 2 days and nobody has been there. Nobody doesn't care. I just won't post anymore in that thread since everybody is p*ssed off at the three members or some is leaving the board.

Half of me is glad the guys are getting back together since I've never seen them as one and half of me is sad that they are going on without Glenn. Like I said earlier. I just going to wait and see because this could be just be a one time thing.

I'm still on the fence about them going on, but be p*ssed off at them. That's just not me. For example. I love the 70s group, The Osmonds. They are my other favorite group before the Eagles came along. I've been seeing them in Branson, Missouri since 2009, but been a fan of their music since the late 90s and I also rediscover them(like the Eagles since I like them in the 90s, but stop listening to their music) Right now, the current members Jimmy, Merrill and Jay won't be performing together anymore. Jimmy is going to do more solo stuff and be in UK a lot while Merrill and Jay will continue on as The Osmonds. Merrill and Jay are the only two left from the original Osmond lineup from 1957. The other two original members had to retire because of their health. Some fans are p*ssed that they cancelled a show in Florida a week before the concert and that was the only show in the US to see this last lineup, but won't be able to see them while the fans in the UK will see them a lot this year. Some were not happy and some decide they don't want to support them anymore. They are known to cancel shows especially Merrill when it comes to solo shows. Right now I'm trying to plan probably my last time going to Branson to see them. Jay won't be there in Branson, but their nephew will take Jay's place in the Christmas shows. I was going to go the week after Thanksgiving, but Jimmy decided he wanted to go and be in a musical in the UK the following week(which starts on December 2nd) and that leaves his brother and nephew for the rest of the Christmas season with the Lennon Sisters which they've been during a Christmas show together since 2012 I think. So I have to see them either that week of Thanksgiving or not see Merrill and their nephew at all and see Jimmy's solo show in September. I'm more a Jimmy fan and I want to see him, but also like the group as a whole. So I'm having that same problem I'm having with supporting the Eagles.

I may end up still not seeing the guys. I don't know, but since I'm the minority. I'm just going to keep quiet since I'm basically being berated for my opinions. I haven't yet in this thread, but I'm going by the others so I can basically say I am.

I will continue to support the other three. Probably their solo careers. I would had if it was Don. If some don't want to, fine. I'm ok with that. I'm ok if Soda wants to keep the board the way it is. I'm just not ok with being berated for still supporting them solo wise or whatever.

Now I know how the others who were upset about the recognition of the other members feel. The tables have turned now and it also include Joe and Timothy. It may not be the same situation, but I know how it feels to be a minority and it really hurts to be an outsider.

I really don't like the double standard that goes on on this board at times. If you say something bad about one particular Eagle (in this case Glenn and it used to be Don too until now), you're going to berated and fuss at, but if I turn around and try to defend my favorite(or in this case the surviving members), its suppose to be ok to sit here while they are talking bad about them. Or we getting hated on, get an earful and fuss at. Its not really fair. I read all the nasty replies about Don, Timothy and Joe especially Don.

For a long time, it was a no no to talk bad about Glenn and Don on this board, but I think its not fair the table has been turned and us fans suppose to sit around, shut up, and take it.

I have some thinking to do, but I don't want to leave even if I will be an outsider. A nobody or a minority. I probably, but might stay away from some threads. This is probably my third time posting in this thread.

[UndertheWire]

Shun, there's no need to feel like an outsider. There is little activity in the threads for any of the band members at the moment. Except for Randy's. :) Maybe it's the lull before the storm.

This just happens to be the most active and most contentious thread.

[shunlvswx]

Shun, there's no need to feel like an outsider. There is little activity in the threads for any of the band members at the moment. Except for Randy's. :) Maybe it's the lull before the storm.

This just happens to be the most active and most contentious thread.

Actually Don was in England this week to accept an award and he was on stage with Bono yesterday. That's what I posted.

[L101]

Actually Don was in England this week to accept an award and he was on stage with Bono yesterday. That's what I posted.

Shun, you areally not alone in being a Don fan here, you will always have myself and DivineDon and all the other Don fans. My family life is a bit hectic at the moment with a lot of people really sick and I haven't been posting as much about Don, especially with him being in Oxford this week.

Never feel like an outsider here. I'm not leaving the border at the moment but I'm not happy with the turn some things have taken so I'm going to post some positive things about Don soon to cheer me up !

[UndertheWire]

Actually Don was in England this week to accept an award and he was on stage with Bono yesterday. That's what I posted.
I missed that post. For a little perspective, I counted up the number of posts in the band threads since 1st March for Don, Glenn and Randy.
Glenn 34
Don 17
Randy 186
It shows that a band member (current or former) doesn't have to be active to generate posts.

I'm sorry, I'm going off track. It's just that I think there's a general malaise and it's not just down to whose camp you're in.

[VillageGirl]

I only posted once in this thread, and immediately part of it was misinterpreted by another forum member, but I just let things be and didn't post any further.

Having time to reflect, I can see all sides to this situation. Most important of all,.I realize there are many things we don't know and maybe never will. For example, perhaps Glenn's family feels like they have closure from the private memorial and KCH and do not want any more tributes. Just a guess. Could be completely wrong.

But the tone indeed is getting hostile. Why would anyone take a swipe at AT? This is not the first time I have seen it and it's troubling. He is not here to stir the pot or play devil's advocate. He encourages thought provoking discussions and IMO has no intention of trying "to win" anything. He has tried to keep people calm from the start when the rumours first came out of the 3 getting back together and from his posts he has tried to provide some rationale for their actions, perhaps in an attempt to soothe the Glenn fans who are so devastated. He has really been a voice of reason in this circus and to turn on him of all people shocked me.

Shun, I am glad you have some appreciation for what us former Eagles fans have felt. Thank you. Although I realize this type of situation is of course different with the unfortunate passing of Glenn.

Soda, I truly hope you find comfort and peace soon and thank you for all you do. But if this is going to be a Glenn board where FP, you, and the other Glenn worshippers dictate everything and those of us that mention the "Remnants" or the former undesirable "Eagles", then why have an Eagles board at all? Make it an homage to Glenn and be happy.

[Dawn]

I don't think what's happening with the Eagles reuniting is cool at all. It smacks of a blatant money grab and frankly after 14 months of thinking the Eagles were finished only to have them reunite in time to headline Azoff's mega classic rock endeavor ... Well ... I think there's no question this has been in the works for. awhile. (Think Desert Trip 2016)

The Border will continue per Soda's wishes and in accordance to her criteria. For me, that's more than fine and I would hope people would understand and appreciate her reasoning. To those who are upset with her decision and prefer to leave she has reached out and explained if you change your mind the door is always open.

Touring is where the money is but realistically where do the Eagles go from here? Will they try for one more album? Doubtful.

[Delilah]

Soda--thank you for not giving up on the board just yet. This band still has a lot of fans, not just active members but inactive members and non-members. The board is such a valuable resource for information and insight--I would hate to see posts deleted, threads shut down, etc. But of course that is entirely up to you. It never occurred to me to have Glenn removed from the banner.

I believe socio-cultural trends occur in waves and cycles, and I can see a new surge of interest in the Eagles in say, 10-15 years, just to choose a convenient timeline. Where will future fans go to find out more? How will their opinions be shaped and formed? I would think this board would play a large part of that as a historical reference, even if it is no longer active by then. But should it reflect that it remained frozen in time, as of the date of the announcement that the Eagles will be performing without Glenn? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that is what it seems it will be.

Shun- please don't feel alone. I am a Don fan even though he's not my favorite and his attitude toward and treatment of the former members leaves much to be desired. But I still love his voice and his music and he's a fellow Texan, so I will continue to support him as a fan. Searching out his videos on YT is how I re-discovered and fell for the Eagles last year. I don't post in his thread much but I do read them although I don't always have time to look at videos.

FWIW, I will not use the demeaning term "remnants" to refer to Don, Joe and Timothy. I use the term "former Eagles" here as a matter of convenience to refer to Bernie, Don F and Randy (and b/c that is consistent with how the board is structured) but from my perspective, they are all Eagles, period.

[NightMistBlue]

For a little perspective, I counted up the number of posts in the band threads since 1st March for Don, Glenn and Randy.
Glenn 34
Don 17
Randy 186
It shows that a band member (current or former) doesn't have to be active to generate posts.

I'm sorry, I'm going off track. It's just that I think there's a general malaise and it's not just down to whose camp you're in.

Woo-hoo! Randy people on a roll! :inlove:

Soda, thank you for keeping the forums going. We really appreciate you.

Shun, please don't feel like an outsider! I always enjoy reading your posts.

[Freypower]

I agree 100% with you MC. I am saddened and disappointed with Sodas post - saddened that she still feels this way and that Glenn is the only one of importance within the Eagles and disappointed that she feels the need to demote Don, Joe and Timothy to mere backup musicians or remnants! Do you know how much of an insult that is to them and to their fans ?!?!

So I think you should do as MC suggests and lock all threads apart from Glenn's - he's the only one that matters after all.
I used to be a fan of Glenn's before I joined this forum, but over the last year or so, not so much anymore. The attitudes of his "superfans" leave a lot to be desired.

There is no fun on this forum anymore, only spite and jealousy and maybe it's time for this to change

I'm sorry if you think I'm being too harsh, but I've really had enough of all this arguing and disagreements. If we all liked the same thing, the world would be a very boring place.

You are damn right you are being harsh. The guy DIED. What did you want us to do? We don't have him any more. At least you still have your favourites. We were hurting & we were grieving & this latest slap in the face has reawakened our hurt. For myself, I never even really tried to open up & describe how great a loss it was, and I still cannot do it. That makes me feel sad & inadequate. I am very disappointed that you think less of the man because of the way his fans felt about his death.

I can be harsh too, and I'm afraid this deserves it. I will not dignify F50's last effort with a response.

I do not believe that Soda (or myself for that matter) thinks Glenn was the only Eagle of any importance, but she does believe that the Eagles do not exist without him. Just as they would not exist without Henley. The term 'remnants' in no way means 'backing musicians'. It means what it says. The remaining members of a band whose founding member has died, who for some inexplicable reason have decided that they wish to continue without him even though his personality, voice, musical talent and leadership skills will be absent. Soda has done a great deal to promote the careers of the other three & it is unfair to make such claims.

I support Soda's continuation of this board & sites & I fully support her reasoning in terms of referring to the band as a thing of the past.

My own situation however is very difficult. As some know I have had serious health issues of my own to deal with. In fact I was first told of this train of events when I was in hospital. For my own peace of mind I believe it would be better for me to disengage from the forthcoming events, which I have already stated I cannot support. It seems now extremely unlikely that there will be any tribute to Glenn or any posthumous release of his music and therefore from that viewpoint there will be nothing for me to discuss. So I will remain a member of this board & continue to read it but I find it very unlikely that I will post. I would prefer the members who support this to be left alone to talk about it without people like me bringing them down. You may find that hard to believe, but I do feel like this. The first paragraph was a final attempt to let off steam and will not occur again. So for the present at least, that's all.

Glenn Frey 1948 - 2016
Eagles 1971- 2016

[Glennhoney]

Actually, FP, it looks like most people here agree with you, if you look at it in terms of the percentage of posters rather than the percentage of posts. For instance, just because a few people such as Annoying Twit post a great deal doesn't mean that their opinion is the dominant one. It's just that they view this as a debate they hope to "win", so they keep going round and round and round... but for me, there is no debate, and there is certainly no winner.

As for the board continuing... I've made my decision. Yes, it will.

It contains years of posts, including posts that are in memory of Glenn. I'm not going to delete them. Plus, I still want to talk about them as they were. I will continue to pay the bills and maintain the board as well as the sites, which I now view as an archive.

However, I will not change anything. As far as I'm concerned, the Eagles are over. To me, the Remnants do not count. People can talk about them here, talk about their shows here, sure. I won't stop them. I'll even facilitate it in terms of creating show threads and such.

However, Eagles Online Central will not be updated and this board's construction will not be changed. Glenn will not be removed from the banner. He will not be relegated to "Former Eagles."

That's the way I'm going to handle it.

I know my approach won't please everyone; indeed, it may not please anyone. I expect to receive some criticism, and I'm sure there will be issues down the road, but I'll just deal with them as they come the best I can.
It pleases me immensely..thank you!

[travlnman2]

I am a mewer Eagles fan so I value everyone else's opinon greater then my own. When i first started being an Eagles Fan I did not think to highly of Glenn and Don. My first experience of being an Eagles fan is through the History Of The Eagles doc. For a first impression I did not think to highly of Glenn and Don to me the way they presented themselves to me was offf putting. But reading through these threads and all of your opinons turned my view on them 180 degrees and think of them more highly. I never saw the Eagles live and I am not sure about Don Tim and Joe continuing. I will make a decidion on to support it or not when the shows happen and reviews/videos come in. The guys didnt change any profile on Social Media or the Website that removed Glenn from the picture so that says a lot that they care. I have two personal connections to the band. 1 I share a birthday with Joe and 2 A friend from school is the Step Nephew of Bernie through his Dads Wife. So I dont consider one member more then the rest. I consider them all equal and are free to do what ever they want as long they dont completly erase another members contribution from the face of the Earth.

[Witchy Woman]

I will always be a Don fan, and I will always support his solo work, and see him in concert if he comes to my area. I'm disappointed with his decision to carry on as the Eagles without Glenn, as it smacks of greed, and goes against everything he previously said. I also respect Soda's stance, and understand that she, as well as others, are very hurt, and don't particularly care to be a part of anything any of them do at the moment. I've pushed things away when I've been hurt, and revisited them when I've cooled off. Give everyone a chance to cool off.

[Funk 50]

No Soda please dont let this board die:(. There are some forums i was apart of that were for bands no longer aroundnbut still completly active

Have you ever been part of a forum where the owner actually wants the band to be inactive or decides that as reality is not to their liking they will declare themselves ruler of an alternative reality where they can discard what the actual band does and dictate the relevant history of the band themselves... that's the impression I get.

If you're not representing the Eagles, sodascouts, it's as much a travesty to call this site Eagles Online as it is for your "remnants" to call themselves Eagles.

[travlnman2]

Have you ever been part of a forum where the owner actually wants the band to be inactive or decides that as reality is not to their liking they will declare themselves ruler of an alternative reality where they can discard what the actual band does and dictate the relevant history of the band themselves... that's the impression I get.

If you're not representing the Eagles, sodascouts, it's as much a travesty to call this site Eagles Online as it is for your "remnants" to call themselves Eagles.


Nope but I have been apart of forums wherenpeople like to twist peoples emotions and cause dissent like you

[maryc2130]

Have you ever been part of a forum where the owner actually wants the band to be inactive or decides that as reality is not to their liking they will declare themselves ruler of an alternative reality where they can discard what the actual band does and dictate the relevant history of the band themselves... that's the impression I get.

If you're not representing the Eagles, sodascouts, it's as much a travesty to call this site Eagles Online as it is for your "remnants" to call themselves Eagles.

That's extremely harsh, especially considering the time, dedication and money Soda spends to keep this site running so well. I understand many of us having differing opinions. I love the so-called Remnants and don't really appreciate people calling them that, but I also get it that others don't like Don, Joe and TBS calling themselves Eagles. What I don't get is why we have to bash each other for feeling differently. To quote DH, "It's a mystery to me why we can't agree to disagree. It's lookin' like we never, ever will."

I'm not sure if he wrote that about Eagles or Glenn or something completely different, but I really wish we could get past it and agree to disagree, preferably without too much bitterness, and definitely without name-calling and cheap accusations. Wishful thinking? Probably. But there's always hope.

[carol7lynn]

That's extremely harsh, especially considering the time, dedication and money Soda spends to keep this site running so well. I understand many of us having differing opinions. I love the so-called Remnants and don't really appreciate people calling them that, but I also get it that others don't like Don, Joe and TBS calling themselves Eagles. What I don't get is why we have to bash each other for feeling differently. To quote DH, "It's a mystery to me why we can't agree to disagree. It's lookin' like we never, ever will."

I'm not sure if he wrote that about Eagles or Glenn or something completely different, but I really wish we could get past it and agree to disagree, preferably without too much bitterness, and definitely without name-calling and cheap accusations. Wishful thinking? Probably. But there's always hope.

Well put!

I'm a Believer! Hope helps me Cope!

Nancy has my full support for always taking the high road and staying above the fray.

I don't mean to pontificate,
Just trying to relate,
To all the heartache,
That makes us break!

Peace!

Stay Tuned!
CarolC

[Glennhoney]

Have you ever been part of a forum where the owner actually wants the band to be inactive or decides that as reality is not to their liking they will declare themselves ruler of an alternative reality where they can discard what the actual band does and dictate the relevant history of the band themselves... that's the impression I get.

If you're not representing the Eagles, sodascouts, it's as much a travesty to call this site Eagles Online as it is for your "remnants" to call themselves Eagles.
Can you imagine everything we lose if this board dies??....All the work and hours Soda spent on this site...? DON HENLEY was the one who announced to the world that the EAGLES were no more, was he not??....The word "remnant" simply means "the remaining"....and that's what we have the "remaining" Eagles....Many people still want to see those 3 "remaining" Eagles perform as a band..I am not one of them...I think the comments towards Soda are horrific....Just leave if you don't like it here anymore...

[WalshFan88]

Nope but I have been apart of forums wherenpeople like to twist peoples emotions and cause dissent like you

Yup.

[tequila mockingbird]

From tonight's I Heart Radio interview. Transcripted by Eagles Fastlane on Facebook:

Here is the entire transcript of the I Love Radio Interview.
After last year’s performance at the Grammy awards, you didn’t think we’d see the three of you performing together again as the Eagles…
Well, it came about gradually. You know? We all were in agreement that we wanted to pass the first year after Glenn’s death just in a state, more-or-less of mourning and respect and you know January … this past January was the anniversary. And now we are all moving on with our lives. I’ve been solo touring and so have the other guys. Our manager, Irving Azoff is actually the one who came up with the idea of these festivals and when he first put it to us we all scratched our heads a little and thought, ‘I don’t know if it’s really a good idea…if it’s appropriate or not.” And then he said, “As you all have seen on your solo tours, there are a lot of people out there who would like to see you continue in some form. And they’d like to see you and some of the other groups…your peers who have reached their peak during the same period of time that you did. And so we thought about it and we discussed it with Glenn’s family and everybody came to the conclusion that it would probably be a good idea. That we’d at least try these 2 shows. We’ve only got these two shows. And so, we’ll just see. We’re going to do these 2 shows…that’s all we’ve got planned. We don’t have anything planned beyond it and we’ll see where it goes from there.
Don was then asked if they were still the Eagles without Glenn.
“Well, it depends. We’re not the same Eagles, okay? It’s never going to be the same without Glenn. And I want to hasten to add people have asked me, “Who is replacing Glenn?” and the answer is nobody is replacing Glenn. Glenn is irreplaceable. But, the songs are the same. You know? They are the songs that we created. He was certainly a major part of that and the songs will be the same and we are adding a couple of new people to the lineup that we think are very appropriate…that we know Glenn would approve of…his wife approve of them and I think the fans will certainly approve of them when they see who it is. And we’re going to carry on the Glenn’s legacy and music and Eagles music. Again, when I think people see who the people are that we are adding to the band they will be delighted and they will understand and approve of what we’re doing. It’s not going to be the same Eagles. There’s no replacing Glenn, but the songs carry on. When this band was broken up for fourteen years the music played on and when we got back together in 1994, the demand was bigger for us than it was in the 70s, simply because of the catalog and the material. That’s the important thing. That’s the important thing…that people want to hear these songs and they want to hear them played live by the people who were involved.”
Joe was asked what his reaction was when he first heard of this.
“I didn’t really embrace it right away. You know, we we’ve been thinking this through for quite a while. IT gradually kind of took form from being a completely abstract idea. It was kind of agreed by all of us that this was probably the best way for us to give it a try. It took a little convincing…to all of us and we worked through a couple of different ways to go and ended up where we’re at. Surrounded by family and friends is the way we thought we would be the most comfortable.”
Don was asked if he viewed these shows as a joyous celebration.
“Yeah. I think that’s a great analogy. I think that’s a great way to describe what it is. It’s a celebration…not only of Glenn’s life and Glenn’s music but of an entire generation of people and the music that we all came up with. I think Glenn would be delighted to view it that way…as a celebration. And that’s what we want it to be. We want everybody to come out and have a joyous time and we can be grateful for the lives that we’ve had in the country that we live in. “
Timothy was asked what he made of the fact that the Eagles would be together again.
“I’m really,really looking forward to this as I think everybody is. It’s going to be, in some ways, a very profound thing for us to do. I’m as interested as everybody else to see how it goes.”
Don was asked as a founding member of the band (along with Glenn) if he had any final words.
“We want the fans to know how appreciative we are. When Glenn passed away we got messages of support and condolence from people all over the world. Messages poured in from every corner of the world. We were deeply moved by that. We want people to know how much we appreciate it and that we heard them and that we are grateful. We are grateful for a lot of things…including radio…the fact that our music got played on the radio and got disseminated to all corners of the Earth. People in China listen to Hotel California. People in the jungles of Central America. It’s an extraordinary thing and the older we get the more we realize it . That doesn’t mean to say that we are self-satisfied and that we are content to rest on our laurels. So, we’re just grateful for what we’ve been given. There have been ups and downs and moments of great joy and moments of great sadness and sorrow and loss. But at the end of the day, it’s all been pretty extraordinary.”

[Witchy Woman]

Here's the thing.....None of us knows how Glenn would have felt about this. It's clear his family approves, so I'm glad they had the class to approach them first. We don't know how Glenn would have reacted if Don had died first and Irving bandied about the idea of these concerts to him. I still believe there is no Eagles without Glenn, but I respect the opinions that differ from mine. I remain disappointed, and will definitely not be going, but I can't say that Glenn wouldn't have approved.

[OutlawManNJ]

My God, you make Henley sound cold. You really do. That may not be your intention, but that is how your posts read. And I was criticised when I said he seemed to be all about money!

Don Henley sued a guy he had a website with his name. Note the guys name was also Don Henley. DH portrays himself one way in interviews but his actions always seem to be about $$$$

[OutlawManNJ]

Here's the thing.....None of us knows how Glenn would have felt about this. It's clear his family approves, so I'm glad they had the class to approach them first. We don't know how Glenn would have reacted if Don had died first and Irving bandied about the idea of these concerts to him. I still believe there is no Eagles without Glenn, but I respect the opinions that differ from mine. I remain disappointed, and will definitely not be going, but I can't say that Glenn wouldn't have approved.


"Hey Glenn Frey family....you will get $_ Million for these 2 shows....will u approve".

Its all about money and Im not wasting it on a tired watered down going through the motions version of the Eagles.

[Delilah]

Thank you for posting all that, TM. It answers a lot of questions.

[OutlawManNJ]

For all those that approve of this continued Eagles....would you approve of a continued Eagles if Henley passed away and Felder, Walsh, Bernie and Tim toured as the Eagles?

[Delilah]

For all those that approve of this continued Eagles....would you approve of a continued Eagles if Henley passed away and Felder, Walsh, Bernie and Tim toured as the Eagles?

As long as there is at least one original Eagle and there is no new member replacing Henley, I think I'd be ok with it. Especially with Felder and Walsh together b/c Hotel California is so iconic for the Eagles. There are a number of bands touring and performing with one or no original members that the grouping you describe is not nearly as much a travesty. At any rate, these are grown men who are entitled to conduct their careers as they wish; it's really not my job to "approve." I don't care for Journey with the fake Steve Perry, but I don't condemn them for continuing to perform as Journey.

[shunlvswx]

I don't know if you are saying if both Glenn and Don were gone. I doubt Joe and Timothy would continue on as the Eagles and I doubt the people you listed would start up the Eagles with them. I just don't see that. I also don't see Irving pushing Joe and Timothy. Joe and Timothy are not that dumb to continue the Eagles without either Glenn and/or Don. They respect them too much.

If the tables had turned and it was Don, yes I would had still support them if they got back together and I would had still support them as solo artist too like I'm doing now. Irving probably would had pressure Glenn too to put the band back together.

[Delilah]

From tonight's I Heart Radio interview. Transcripted by Eagles Fastlane on Facebook:

Here is the entire transcript of the I Love Radio Interview.
"That’s the important thing…that people want to hear these songs and they want to hear them played live by the people who were involved.”


Don's statement here is intriguing--the people (other than Don and Glenn) who were involved with most of their hits haven't been part of the Eagles for many years.

[Dawn]

Any guesses on who Henley/Azoff recruited to join the brand (not a typo).

I'm thinking one of them is Deacon Frey. Bernie? Jackson? JD?

What about Steuart Smith. Did he get a mention at all?

[chaim]

Any guesses on who Henley/Azoff recruited to join the brand (not a typo).

I'm thinking one of them is Deacon Frey. Bernie? Jackson? JD?

What about Steuart Smith. Did he get a mention at all?

I think it's obvious by now that whatever they do, Steuart will be there. Plus he's never been an actual member. So he doesn't need to be mentioned.

[WalshFan88]

So I've been giving this all some thought and about why I believe the way I do about the band continuing on without GF. I have compiled some thoughts on this.

First, I have been to plenty of shows where the lead singer has either left or died and they've replaced him. Journey without Steve Perry (although I'll elaborate in a minute why I feel it's different), Lynyrd Skynyrd without Ronnie Van Zant (which IMO is a pretty similar deal), AC/DC without Bon Scott (I also feel this is a unique situation), Styx without Dennis Young (similar to the Journey deal), Boston without Brad Delp (similar to LS), on and on. So what is the difference?

For Journey and Styx, Steve Perry and Dennis Young, god bless them, wanted to leave both for health reasons. And that's fine. But they both did it during the start of massive tours and they had no interest in coming back. They both have stated they never felt a part of the band (just watch the Behind The Music for each band), while the rest of the band is saying WTF?!, you controlled us from day one....I tend to side with the band in both cases. They had great voices. Both are important to the band's legacy, but the show must go on in this case and get someone who does a good job to the music. Is it the same, no, but IMO that's no reason not to go see them. So that's not really comparable to the Eagles IMO.

For Lynyrd Skynyrd and Boston, both lead singers died. IMO this is probably the most comparable to the Eagles from all that I've listed, especially Skynyrd.

I thought especially in Skynyrd's case, it's special because it's his younger brother and it's a family thing. What makes some dyed in the wool Skynyrd fans unhappy is that Gary Rossington is now the only original member and Ronnie's wife stated she didn't want to see the name used unless '3' original members pre-crash were in the band. The sad thing is, there are two living pre-crash members they could add to the band, but Gary isn't interested. Gary, right or wrong, has kind of taken over that legacy and some don't like it. I can see where they are coming from, it does come across as greedy but they put on such a good show I overlook it.

For Boston, Brad Delp was a unique voice there is no denying that. But Tom Scholz literally put a band together around HIS sound he made from his engineering degree. HE pioneered their sound and simply brought in guys to fill out the "band", but make no mistake Tom Scholz was the literally Boston's sound and founder. Brad Delp had a unique voice, but IMO if Tom wanted to continue the band he should, as he and he alone founded it, created it, and made it what it was. He also was the main songwriter. So in that case I have no trouble with it. Different from the Eagles, IMO. Scholz IMO is the "Don and Glenn" of Boston.

So why do I feel ok about Lynyrd Skynyrd but differently about the Eagles? They would have even more original members than Skynyrd does, yet I go see them.

And to the best of my ability, I cannot come up with a real answer. Maybe it's because Don went back on his words rather than leaving it open. Perhaps it's because Glenn founded the band, and even while Glenn and Don were the bosses, I feel like Glenn had even more control and say-so than Don did. I feel it was his band. There is more to it than just him, but you take him out and for whatever reason, it feels like a bigger chunk is missing than Skynyrd. And I agree, it shouldn't be that way. And I'll be the first to say I have no idea why.

I'm certainly no GF super fan, you can find posts all over this board that say otherwise. But even as a stone cold DF supporter and was upset with Glenn's treatment of him, I have to say it's really a bigger loss and IMO would be very damaging to continue on without him. I probably felt as strongly about him being gone, but looking at it with more objective"ness", I feel like he was too important to replace, even more than DF, RM, or BL. And as much as it pains me, even more than JW or TBS, although I would have never seen an Eagles show without them. But I wouldn't see an Eagles show without Don or Glenn even if JW and TBS were there, even DF. IMO GF and DH were the most important members, and it does sometimes pain me to say that as I've always been one to think it was misbalanced but it is what it is. Those guys, especially Glenn were the brains.

I do think it is kind of unfair to refer to JW, TBS, and DH as "remnants" but I feel like I can sympathize with Soda and the way she is hurting from all of this and when you feel like that, you can say things that get misconstrued or even things you regret. I know I have with the whole DF issue and elsewhere in my life.

So while having Deacon onboard and "keeping it in the family" ala Johnny Van Zant in Lynyrd Skynyrd for his younger brother, they feel different to me. Maybe not the closest comparison but its the one band I've seen that I felt could be the closest in this situation. I'm as puzzled as I'm sure some are. But I cannot find an excuse as to why I feel and treat them differently. Maybe it will dawn on me...

For me personally, I direct most of any anger I feel about this to Irving Azoff. Yes Don had the final say-so, but I feel like Azoff could be very manipulative, persistent, and pressures people into things while waving money in front of them. And it takes a whole hell of a lot of self control to say no to it when it's in your face, figuratively or literally. So I personally don't have much animosity to Don or the other guys right now. I feel it was a bad choice but to me I'm directing my animosity to Irving. IMO he is the one who is to blame, but again JMO. He's the one that started this and should have thought more about how this would look or how Glenn's fans and others might have felt. But he doesn't care about that. He cares about making him and his bands some money and f#$k everyone else.

[Annoying Twit]

Thank you very much to Tequila Mockingbird for posting the interview. It really helps fill in the gaps, and it's good to see the opinions of the three remaining Eagles.

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions as to who will be performing with them and who won't (apart from Steuart being involved. I'd be very surprised if he isn't.)

It's interesting that Don describes this as a celebration of Glenn's work, and good that he mentions that Glenn's family was approached/consulted. I also note that Don says that Glenn would approve. I can't think of anyone who would know what Glenn would want in this musical sense than Don H.

As for some questions that have been posed in other posts. I would very much like to see people such as Bob S, Jackson B, JD Souther, Jack T, Deacon F, and others appear.

Whether or not a band is Eagles or not is not an either or thing, but shades of grey. I don't feel that the band became less "Eagles" during the 70s even with personnel changes as they were still regularly producing new content. They did create LRooE as a four piece, but even so it seems to me that they were a little less than full Eagles after Don F left. I can't logically defend that, it's just how I feel. The band without Glenn is far less Eagles than even the four piece. If Don H wasn't involved, if it were just Joe and Tim, then it would be hardly Eagles at all to me. Adding Bernie increases the 'Eagle-ness' of any band, but for me the band needs either Glenn or Don H to be even a 'part Eagles'.

But, if it was legal and with the agreement of Don H or his family if Don H had passed, I wouldn't have any problem with them continuing in that way. I just wouldn't think it was very much the Eagles. But it's shades of grey. not absolutely is/is not.

If Don F started up Eagles without any other members then I would consider it a tribute band. Also, the Eagles name is owned by people. Both legally and morally. If the legal and moral owners of the name gave Don F permission, then I wouldn't object. I'd still consider it pretty much a tribute band, however.

People have used 'remnants' in various ways, but for me, I think the description works. They are the remnants of Eagles, but having remnants of Eagles is better than no Eagles at all. And, the remnants of Eagles have both the legal and moral right to continue playing under the name. Particularly if Glenn's family approve.

I believe that the concerts themselves will tell us more about their motivations. (For those who don't want to believe Don H, Joe, and Tim's words.) If it is just a money grab, then they'll use cheap and faceless people to fill in Glenn's parts. If they have known artists such as Bob, JD, Jack, etc. appearing, then that would show that it's not just about the money, but also about celebrating Glenn.

[Dawn]

I think it's obvious by now that whatever they do, Steuart will be there. Plus he's never been an actual member. So he doesn't need to be mentioned.

True I was just wondering if they'd keep their lineup or revise it to make room for the new sidemen.

Personally, who they recruit to replace the irreplaceable Glenn Frey makes absolutely no difference to me. I'm not buying what Azoff/Henley are trying to sell.

IMHO Don got it right the first time. No Glenn. No Eagles. Then Azoff called.

Didn't have to end this way.

Sad. Desperate. Greedy.

[travlnman2]

Walshfan

After the crash Gary, Alen collins and Judy Vam Zant agreed they would NEVER use the Lynyrd Skynyrd name again. Billy Powell also said therr wouldnt be another Lynyrd Skynyrd.


They did the same thing Don did.

[travlnman2]

Here is the audio from Eagles fastlane

https://soundcloud.com/melissa-prepster/theclassicinterview

[travlnman2]

I had a feeling it would only be these two shows

[Philh]

Joe said if it works out there could be more.
I don't see JD or Don F being involved as they each have a gig of their own on one of the Classic dates.
My feeling is that it will be Bob Seger and Jackson Browne.
That will be fine by me. I guess Bernie will be there too and also Steuart.
It was great to hear Don saying that it will be a different Eagles and that Glenn could never be replaced.

[shunlvswx]

Any guesses on who Henley/Azoff recruited to join the brand (not a typo).

I'm thinking one of them is Deacon Frey. Bernie? Jackson? JD?

What about Steuart Smith. Did he get a mention at all?

Since Steuart was part of the backup band, he will be there regardless. The only time Steuart won't be there if he's touring with Rodney Crowell and usually Don and the Eagles were Steuart's top priorities. He only tours with Rodney when he's not on the road with Don or the Eagles. So I would be very surprised if he wasn't there.

Scott toured with Stevie after he finished last year's tour with Don. Scott had only a two week break between gigs before he was back with Don at the New Year's Eve show in Oklahoma.

I also expect Scott, Will, and Michael there too since they were part of the Eagles bandup band for 15 years(22 for Scott. Also Will and Michael were first with Don before they were hired as the Eagles backup band). Luckily these four are with Don and they never left.

Don hasn't played drums full time since the memorial service and he's probably going to need Scott to help him with some songs. Don is probably rusty and he has to learn to play the drums for majority of the songs for 2 or 3 hours again, but than again. He might just be at the front and have Scott playing all the songs, but I don't see that happening. And probably won't be hard for Don to get back into the swing of things. At the Grammys, I think that was the first time he played the drums since their last concert together. Like Don said in an interview, fans love seeing him behind the drums. He never understood why. I know I miss him behind the drums since he doesn't play them in his solo shows except when he plays the congas during the guitar solos of Hotel California.

As to who will be there. Bernie might come back and help. There's many who they are friends. JD, Bob, Jackson, Vince Gill(I heard rumors on him). Anybody. Deacon could be one, but can he handle singing with the guys he has known all his life for 2 or 3 hours. I think he could.

[eaglesfan]

Here's the thing.....None of us knows how Glenn would have felt about this. It's clear his family approves, so I'm glad they had the class to approach them first. We don't know how Glenn would have reacted if Don had died first and Irving bandied about the idea of these concerts to him. I still believe there is no Eagles without Glenn, but I respect the opinions that differ from mine. I remain disappointed, and will definitely not be going, but I can't say that Glenn wouldn't have approved.

This is a touchy subject for many and I understand that, but I am going to say this with as much respect and sensitivity as I can.

Glenn Frey was an essential Eagle in many ways. There wouldn't have been the Eagles as we know them without Frey's initial vision, business savvy, gift for song arrangement and general leadership. He created, evolved and drove the concept of the Eagles from day one until the day he passed, and knew how to surround himself with great singers and musicians...and had a great sense for when to push one out and replace him with something better for the overall band. To his credit, he checked his own ego at the door...as he pointed out in the documentary, as the band went on, he sang less and less because....they had Don Henley.

Here is the irony. Frey knew how to create a sound, a performance and a set of songs that not only hard core fans would embrace, but, more importantly from a financial standpoint, tens of millions of casual fans would embrace.

These very same casual fans who Frey instinctively knew how to capture, by and large, know Don Henley and Joe Walsh more than they know Glenn Frey, I'd wager to say. If you were to poll the world at large and say "Would you go to an Eagles concert without Don Henley? the response would be "The Eagles without Don Henley?!? Huh?!?" much more than it would be "The Eagles without Glenn Frey?!? Huh?!?"

Henley was the far bigger solo star, for one. His performances live, due pretty much exclusively to his voice, is two. Live he stood out far more to the casual fan (of which there are many more than hard core fans), than Frey. Similarly, Joe Walsh, though not an original Eagle (and technically never even an actual Eagle), stands out in live performances much more than Frey.

So, to ask whether the Eagles would have continued on without Henley is not an apples to apples comparison, imho. Half the people in the audience who expect to hear, for example, Boys of Summer, probably don't even really know or are at best only vaguely aware that that's not an Eagles song. A significant chunk of the audience would absolutely expect and demand to hear Hotel California, Desperado and One of These Nights or they'd expect their money back. The one Frey sung song that fits that category is probably Take it Easy....

Now, the sentiment in an Eagles chatboard or community group or whatever is going to be significantly different. The people in here are exceedingly well versed in the band's history, dynamics and chemistry, and, therefore, would react much more negatively, as a whole, to the idea of the Eagles continuing on without Glenn Frey.

But if this is a business decision, which it to at least a significant degree it is, the ability for the Eagles to continue on without Glenn Frey, becoming its own cover band if that makes sense, is much greater than it would have been to continue on without Don Henley, and, to some degree even, Joe Walsh, who ultimately also sells more tickets than Frey did.

[carol7lynn]

[quote=OutlawManNJ;356108]Don Henley sued a guy he had a website with his name. Note the guys name was also Don Henley. DH portrays himself one way in interviews but his actions always seem to be about $$$$[/quote

Maybe? Or, it could be about status, falsehoods, preceived slights. Or any number of things.

In, any event, I knew the Eagles were a go when he didn't immediately squelch reports that the Eagles would be doing the Classic festivals with the Mac in the first place.

It's my observation that, you would have had to bind and gag the man after first sedating him with a powerful antipsychotic, to silence him if the reports were false. Remember, this is a man who proclaimed in song that he would "not go quietly...not back down."

Stay Tuned!
CarolC
:computer:

[maryc2130]

This is a touchy subject for many and I understand that, but I am going to say this with as much respect and sensitivity as I can.

Glenn Frey was an essential Eagle in many ways. There wouldn't have been the Eagles as we know them without Frey's initial vision, business savvy, gift for song arrangement and general leadership. He created, evolved and drove the concept of the Eagles from day one until the day he passed, and knew how to surround himself with great singers and musicians...and had a great sense for when to push one out and replace him with something better for the overall band. To his credit, he checked his own ego at the door...as he pointed out in the documentary, as the band went on, he sang less and less because....they had Don Henley.

Here is the irony. Frey knew how to create a sound, a performance and a set of songs that not only hard core fans would embrace, but, more importantly from a financial standpoint, tens of millions of casual fans would embrace.

These very same casual fans who Frey instinctively knew how to capture, by and large, know Don Henley and Joe Walsh more than they know Glenn Frey, I'd wager to say. If you were to poll the world at large and say "Would you go to an Eagles concert without Don Henley? the response would be "The Eagles without Don Henley?!? Huh?!?" much more than it would be "The Eagles without Glenn Frey?!? Huh?!?"

Henley was the far bigger solo star, for one. His performances live, due pretty much exclusively to his voice, is two. Live he stood out far more to the casual fan (of which there are many more than hard core fans), than Frey. Similarly, Joe Walsh, though not an original Eagle (and technically never even an actual Eagle), stands out in live performances much more than Frey.

So, to ask whether the Eagles would have continued on without Henley is not an apples to apples comparison, imho. Half the people in the audience who expect to hear, for example, Boys of Summer, probably don't even really know or are at best only vaguely aware that that's not an Eagles song. A significant chunk of the audience would absolutely expect and demand to hear Hotel California, Desperado and One of These Nights or they'd expect their money back. The one Frey sung song that fits that category is probably Take it Easy....

Now, the sentiment in an Eagles chatboard or community group or whatever is going to be significantly different. The people in here are exceedingly well versed in the band's history, dynamics and chemistry, and, therefore, would react much more negatively, as a whole, to the idea of the Eagles continuing on without Glenn Frey.

But if this is a business decision, which it to at least a significant degree it is, the ability for the Eagles to continue on without Glenn Frey, becoming its own cover band if that makes sense, is much greater than it would have been to continue on without Don Henley, and, to some degree even, Joe Walsh, who ultimately also sells more tickets than Frey did.

I think that's selling Glenn short. There are many more Frey songs that fans expect to hear than Take It Easy. If I were going to an Eagles concert before Glenn died, I'd certainly expect to hear Heartache Tonight, New Kid in Town, Already Gone, Tequila Sunrise, and Peaceful, Easy Feeling, at the very least. And that begs the question of who is going to sing those songs? I never liked Glenn's rendition of Take it to the Limit, and I'm not sure if I'll like the special guest stars (friends and family) singing leads on Glenn's songs. Maybe I will. Most likely I'll like some better than others, but it definitely won't be the same. Even if they're great new versions, it will be sad.

And here's where I can especially understand the Glenn fans' points of view: if Henley died, I don't think I could get on board with anyone else singing Hotel California or Desperado.

But I will say that Don is right in that continuing to tour keeps Glenn's legacy alive.

Just a note on Steuart, since someone else brought him up: I've felt for a long time that DH considers Steuart an Eagle. He's never been given the title, and most likely won't be, but I do think that's how Don views him. Unless something major keeps him from it, he'll most definitely be part of this new venture.

[buffyfan145]

Like I posted in the Press thread after reading what Don, Joe, and Timothy said I feel a lot better about it. I do think they're going to do tributes to Glenn with these special guests and I too think it'll be at least Bernie, Bob Seger, Jason Browne, and Deacon. They might get others too but we'll have to wait and see.

[Dawn]

Reportedly Desert Trip 2016 offered a boatload of money ($14 million) to Led Zeppelin to entice them into reuniting. One said yes. The other no. No prevailed.

Edited to add

The Eagles without Glenn Frey are not the Eagles. Shame on all involved for not retiring the band to preserve and protect its TRUE LEGACY and the irreplaceable Glenn Frey who will now be memorialized at each and every concert to remind people there once was a band called the Eagles but this isn't that band. There are two Eagles brands. Two legacies.

[sodascouts]

None of Don's justifications surprised me; it was easy to predict we'd get told that they're just doing it for the fans, that they're sure Glenn would have wanted it, and that they'd gotten the approval of Glenn's family. Boxes checked.

What did surprise me is that they are adding two people to the line-up to "not replace" Glenn.

So Don claims that "these two shows [are] all we've got planned" while Joe says they're already talking about doing more? I know which one I think is being more straightforward about the band's status.

[travlnman2]

Well there are NDA's they can not legally talk about. So saying Glenns family approved it and that its a celeberation of Glenns life is not enough?


If I recall in one interview Don said that they were going to let the year pss then Him Joe and Timmothy were going to talk about it's

[travlnman2]

Reportedly Desert Trip 2016 offered a boatload of money ($14 million) to Led Zeppelin to entice them into reuniting. One said yes. The other no. No prevailed.

Edited to add

The Eagles without Glenn Frey are not the Eagles. Shame on all involved for not retiring the band to preserve and protect its TRUE LEGACY and the irreplaceable Glenn Frey who will now be memorialized at each and every concert to remind people there once was a band called the Eagles but this isn't that band. There are two Eagles.


There are 7 Eagles.

[travlnman2]

Reportedly Desert Trip 2016 offered a boatload of money ($14 million) to Led Zeppelin to entice them into reuniting. One said yes. The other no. No prevailed.

Edited to add

The Eagles without Glenn Frey are not the Eagles. Shame on all involved for not retiring the band to preserve and protect its TRUE LEGACY and the irreplaceable Glenn Frey who will now be memorialized at each and every concert to remind people there once was a band called the Eagles but this isn't that band. There are two Eagles.


The Eagles decide what is the Eagles. If Glenn's family said no to these shows they would not have happend. If they said yes we want you to do this then they are the Eagles.


To say its all about money is shamefull. No one here knows what peoples Justifications PRIVATELY are. Don Henley does not have to tell the world his every thought. We can either support it or not.



This is the same situation with GNR and people saying without Slash etc it wasnt GNR. Well Slash is back but GNR never broke up. Bands decide what is a band and what they do. Fans dont.


I admitt this is a troubling time for everyone. But the people who knew Glenn the best Don and Cindy knew how he wanted the Band to continue without him if it ever came.

[travlnman2]

People here were clamoring for Glenn to get a Concert For George type thing for Glenn. Apparently this is it but yet The guys who kenw Glenn the best and knows what he wants suddleny dont know everything???

[Dawn]

There are 7 Eagles.

I meant there are two Eagles brands. The Eagles and the Remnants of the Eagles. Two legacies.

[sodascouts]

So saying <...> that its a celeberation of Glenns life is not enough?


The celebration thing was suggested to Don by the interviewer and he seized upon it. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure Glenn will be mentioned several times and they will say nice things which they sincerely mean.


People here were clamoring for Glenn to get a Concert For George type thing for Glenn. Apparently this is it

If I truly thought it was a one-off tribute to Glenn, I'd be ok with it - hell, I'd attend! But he was clipped from the ad! This is no "Concert for George." If it were, Glenn wouid have been featured in the ad, not erased from it. It's not even a stand-alone concert; it's a festival show. Plus, they are discussing more dates. Is the entire tour going to be a celebration of Glenn? Or are such terms being used to manipulate our emotions? You decide.


The guys who kenw Glenn the best and knows what he wants suddleny dont know everything???

I am not surprised when people say that what they want to do also happens to line up exactly with what they're sure Glenn would have wanted them to do.


So saying Glenns family approved it <...> is not enough?


I never doubted that Glenn's family would be ok with it. Did you really think they would stand in the way when, at this point, it's Don's band? My assessment that there is no Eagles without Glenn was never reliant upon the opinion of his family. My assessment is about the music, about how it can't truly be done without him... unless it's tribute-band style.

However, if you find comfort in his statements - and I'm sure many do - you have every right to your feelings. They are just as valid as mine.

[travlnman2]

I meant there are two Eagles brands. The Eagles and the Remnants of the Eagles. Two legacies.

No the Eagles were the Eagles.


The Eagles were the Eagles with the Original four

The Eagles were the Eagles when Felder Joined

The Eagles were the Eagles when Bernie left and Joe joined

The Eagles were the Eagles when Randy left and Timmothy joined

The Eagles were the Eagles when Felder left


Now if the band decises to resume touring they are still the Eagles

[travlnman2]

The celebration thing was suggested to Don by the interviewer and he seized upon it. Don't get me wrong - I'm sure Glenn will be mentioned several times. If I truly thought it was a one-off tribute to Glenn, I'd be ok with it, but they're talking about touring behind the scenes. Is the entire tour going to be a celebration of Glenn? Or are we being emotionally manipulated? You decide.

I never doubted that Glenn's family would be ok with it. Did you really think they would stand in the way when, at this point, it's Don's band?

However, if you find comfort in his statements - and I'm sure many do - you have every right to your feelings. They are just as valid as mine.


Agree. Its this situation when fans claim without so and so this is not the band that irks me.


Trust me this is tame when compared to some other Bands I am a fan of go through this


Sorry if this seems like I am not being sensitve. I am but just trying to clarify stuff.

[Dawn]

The Eagles decide what is the Eagles. If Glenns family said no to these shows they would not have happend. If they said yes we want you to do this then they are the Eagles.


To say its all about money is shamefull. No one here knows what peoples Justifications PRIVATELY are. Don Henley does nlt have to tell the world hos every thought. We can either support it or not.



This is the same situation with GNR and people saying without Slash etc it wasnt GNR. Well Slash is back but GNR never broke up. Bands decide what is a band and what they do. Fans dont.




I admitt this is a troubling time for everyone. But the people who knew Glenn the best Don and Cindy knew how he wanted the Band to continue without him if it ever came.

I get it. Fans are expendable too. Not to worry. i don't need Don Henley or Azoff or anyone else to tell me that.

[travlnman2]

I get it. Fans are expendable too. Not to worry. i don't need Don Henley or Azoff or anyone else to tell me that.



I dont know if you are agreeing with ne or not. Sorry I just dont know what you mean.

[sodascouts]

Agree. Its this situation when fans claim without so and so this is not the band that irks me.

Actually, that is what I'm claiming with regard to Glenn (as well as Don Henley - no Eagles without him either), but that's my perspective.

However, you are correct in that they are branding themselves as the Eagles and thus, technically, are the Eagles in corporate terms as well as in the eyes of many fans.

This would be true even if Don passed tomorrow (God forbid) and Joe, Tim, and whoever else toured as the Eagles. They would technically be the Eagles, too. I wonder, though, how many people would passionately defend such an iteration as legitimate regardless of it being technically true.

There are fans who feel the Eagles without Glenn is just as illegitimate as the Eagles without Don, with just Tim and Joe... Although if you feel that would be OK, then I can understand why you would feel the same way about the Eagles without Glenn.

[travlnman2]

Actually, that is what I'm claiming with regard to Glenn (as well as Don Henley - no Eagles without him either), but that's my perspective.

However, you are correct in that they are branding themselves as the Eagles and thus, technically, are the Eagles in corporate terms as well as in the eyes of many fans.

This would be true even if Don passed tomorrow (God forbid) and Joe, Tim, and whoever else toured as the Eagles. They would technically be the Eagles, too. I wonder, though, how many people would passionately defend such an iteration as legitimate regardless of it being technically true.

There are fans who feel the Eagles without Glenn is just as illegitimate as the Eagles without Don, with just Tim and Joe... Although if you feel that would be legitimate, then I can understand why you would feel the same way about the Eagles without Glenn.

If Don passed tomorrow (please dont) I would NOT think Timmothy and Joe would tour as the Eagles. If Don is in the band they would be the Eagles. If Glenn was the one doing this and Don passed it would be the Eagles. In order for them to be the Eagles Glenn or Don need to be in and that proved true through this past year. No Glenn or Don=No Eagles. One of those two must be in the band for it to still be the Eagles. It just happens to be Don and not both of them.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Well, for many fans, including myself, in order for them to be the Eagles, Glenn and Don both need to be in the band. And as recently as a couple of months ago, it seems that the remaining members felt the same way ...




I don’t see how we could go out and play without the guy who started the band. “It would just seem like greed or something. It would seem like a desperate thing.




Interviewer: Is there any hope for an Eagles reunion?

"No. Certainly not as the Eagles. The Eagles without Glenn -- it’s over. What happens in the future, if anything with Don and Joe and I -- I have no clue. Nothing’s been talked about and I think we’re still processing this huge change in our lives, so I don’t know. The real answer is we don’t know. We’ll see what happens".




This is a good place to figure out how to navigate life after Glenn, to figure that out. I know a lot of performers have come through Las Vegas and done well. We could do something of a retrospective, and I’ve thought of doing that with Don, actually. It wouldn’t be the Eagles, but maybe we can go out and he can play his stuff and I can play my stuff.

Honestly, we seem to have reached a point where this thread is becoming quite circular and redundant on all sides. We are starting to rehash the same arguments over and over, which can be perceived as rubbing salt in the wound on either side and, inevitably end up in confrontation.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Have you ever been part of a forum where the owner actually wants the band to be inactive or decides that as reality is not to their liking they will declare themselves ruler of an alternative reality where they can discard what the actual band does and dictate the relevant history of the band themselves... that's the impression I get.

If you're not representing the Eagles, sodascouts, it's as much a travesty to call this site Eagles Online as it is for your "remnants" to call themselves Eagles.

This post is beyond common decency and you should be ashamed of yourself as far as I’m concerned. I sure hope you are a kinder, gentler person in real life than you are on this message board. As someone else said, if you're so dissatisfied with the way this board is run, then do yourself a favor and don’t post here.

And just a reminder, the Terms of Service and Netiquette Guidelines remain in effect for the board. I can just say that you should be glad that Soda is the owner of this board, because if it were me, you may not be welcome here due to the numerous times you have been warned about being rude, heartless, and confrontational with members of this community. As has been said many times, everyone here can decide for themselves how they feel about this and other topics, but everyone also needs to be respectful and sensitive to others feelings. There may not be a right or wrong in how we feel, but there is a right and wrong in how we express ourselves.

If my admonishment is harsh, it’s because it is an appropriate response to your post.

[thelastresort]

Of course, and this applies to any other privately owned forum too, anyone who disagrees so drastically with the managements' definitions, conduct, standards or administration is more than welcome to show such dissatisfaction by setting up their own forum where they can do as they please.

Think of it as you bought it, you name it. From what I can gather, this entire forum and much of the associated EOC content is primarily Soda's doing. As such she is free to do with it as she wishes.

[OutlawManNJ]

Skynard change happened in 1978 when the guys were what 30 if that. Big difference that 70 year olds like the Eagles. At 30 you just must go on. At 70..with 300 Million in the bank....not so much.


So I've been giving this all some thought and about why I believe the way I do about the band continuing on without GF. I have compiled some thoughts on this.

First, I have been to plenty of shows where the lead singer has either left or died and they've replaced him. Journey without Steve Perry (although I'll elaborate in a minute why I feel it's different), Lynyrd Skynyrd without Ronnie Van Zant (which IMO is a pretty similar deal), AC/DC without Bon Scott (I also feel this is a unique situation), Styx without Dennis Young (similar to the Journey deal), Boston without Brad Delp (similar to LS), on and on. So what is the difference?

For Journey and Styx, Steve Perry and Dennis Young, god bless them, wanted to leave both for health reasons. And that's fine. But they both did it during the start of massive tours and they had no interest in coming back. They both have stated they never felt a part of the band (just watch the Behind The Music for each band), while the rest of the band is saying WTF?!, you controlled us from day one....I tend to side with the band in both cases. They had great voices. Both are important to the band's legacy, but the show must go on in this case and get someone who does a good job to the music. Is it the same, no, but IMO that's no reason not to go see them. So that's not really comparable to the Eagles IMO.

For Lynyrd Skynyrd and Boston, both lead singers died. IMO this is probably the most comparable to the Eagles from all that I've listed, especially Skynyrd.

I thought especially in Skynyrd's case, it's special because it's his younger brother and it's a family thing. What makes some dyed in the wool Skynyrd fans unhappy is that Gary Rossington is now the only original member and Ronnie's wife stated she didn't want to see the name used unless '3' original members pre-crash were in the band. The sad thing is, there are two living pre-crash members they could add to the band, but Gary isn't interested. Gary, right or wrong, has kind of taken over that legacy and some don't like it. I can see where they are coming from, it does come across as greedy but they put on such a good show I overlook it.

For Boston, Brad Delp was a unique voice there is no denying that. But Tom Scholz literally put a band together around HIS sound he made from his engineering degree. HE pioneered their sound and simply brought in guys to fill out the "band", but make no mistake Tom Scholz was the literally Boston's sound and founder. Brad Delp had a unique voice, but IMO if Tom wanted to continue the band he should, as he and he alone founded it, created it, and made it what it was. He also was the main songwriter. So in that case I have no trouble with it. Different from the Eagles, IMO. Scholz IMO is the "Don and Glenn" of Boston.

So why do I feel ok about Lynyrd Skynyrd but differently about the Eagles? They would have even more original members than Skynyrd does, yet I go see them.

And to the best of my ability, I cannot come up with a real answer. Maybe it's because Don went back on his words rather than leaving it open. Perhaps it's because Glenn founded the band, and even while Glenn and Don were the bosses, I feel like Glenn had even more control and say-so than Don did. I feel it was his band. There is more to it than just him, but you take him out and for whatever reason, it feels like a bigger chunk is missing than Skynyrd. And I agree, it shouldn't be that way. And I'll be the first to say I have no idea why.

I'm certainly no GF super fan, you can find posts all over this board that say otherwise. But even as a stone cold DF supporter and was upset with Glenn's treatment of him, I have to say it's really a bigger loss and IMO would be very damaging to continue on without him. I probably felt as strongly about him being gone, but looking at it with more objective"ness", I feel like he was too important to replace, even more than DF, RM, or BL. And as much as it pains me, even more than JW or TBS, although I would have never seen an Eagles show without them. But I wouldn't see an Eagles show without Don or Glenn even if JW and TBS were there, even DF. IMO GF and DH were the most important members, and it does sometimes pain me to say that as I've always been one to think it was misbalanced but it is what it is. Those guys, especially Glenn were the brains.

I do think it is kind of unfair to refer to JW, TBS, and DH as "remnants" but I feel like I can sympathize with Soda and the way she is hurting from all of this and when you feel like that, you can say things that get misconstrued or even things you regret. I know I have with the whole DF issue and elsewhere in my life.

So while having Deacon onboard and "keeping it in the family" ala Johnny Van Zant in Lynyrd Skynyrd for his younger brother, they feel different to me. Maybe not the closest comparison but its the one band I've seen that I felt could be the closest in this situation. I'm as puzzled as I'm sure some are. But I cannot find an excuse as to why I feel and treat them differently. Maybe it will dawn on me...

For me personally, I direct most of any anger I feel about this to Irving Azoff. Yes Don had the final say-so, but I feel like Azoff could be very manipulative, persistent, and pressures people into things while waving money in front of them. And it takes a whole hell of a lot of self control to say no to it when it's in your face, figuratively or literally. So I personally don't have much animosity to Don or the other guys right now. I feel it was a bad choice but to me I'm directing my animosity to Irving. IMO he is the one who is to blame, but again JMO. He's the one that started this and should have thought more about how this would look or how Glenn's fans and others might have felt. But he doesn't care about that. He cares about making him and his bands some money and f#$k everyone else.

[WalshFan88]

Skynard change happened in 1978 when the guys were what 30 if that. Big difference that 70 year olds like the Eagles. At 30 you just must go on. At 70..with 300 Million in the bank....not so much.

Not exactly correct.....

To me they are pretty comparable. Besides, they didn't continue right after the crash and "kept going". Much like Don has said, "we won't continue under the name and it's over", they all agreed until MONEY got into their heads in the late 80s/early 90s, as somewhat older men. Then it was "just for the tribute tour" with the "Lynyrd Skynyrd Tribute Tour" name. Then it was ok, we can use the name LS as long as there are three original members, and got the widow's blessings for that rule. Then that came and went and the number kept dropping and IMO, they disrespected the families of the crash victims by going on and not sticking with what was agreed on. They weren't young men in need of money that HAD to continue. They may not have been 300 Million rich (or maybe so), but it's a damn good comparison IMO. They sold a ton of records, toured a ton, and people still played their music after the crash and they got royalties. Plus they had solo projects outside of the LS name for a few years before the tribute tour. So they could have stuck with that, it was certainly enough money to stay more than afloat, plus the LS earnings. It's called going back on your word. Though with the Eagles, they've only done it once....where as the likes of Gary Rossington just kept doing it and revising the "rule" again and again and even got into legal trouble with RVZ's family over it.

Age is irrelevant. It's about A - going back on your word and B - not doing what's right.

[Delilah]

Not exactly correct.....

Age is irrelevant. It's about A - going back on your word and B - not doing what's right.

Except no one went back on his word. No one made any promises and no one signed any contracts. In an early grief-stricken state, Don H said the Eagles were over. Later he made similar statements using open-ended qualifiers like "perhaps" "maybe" "seems like" "I think." As I posted earlier somewhere, when he started talking about performing with Deacon Frey, it appeared to me he was not ready to let go. He started getting flak apparently, so he back-peddled from that a bit. But it looked like (to some of us anyway) that the door to Eagles future performances was not yet shut.

As far as "doing what's right", that's a matter of opinion and moral judgment. To Don, Joe and Timothy, doing what's right could mean following one's heart and being true to themselves e.g. performing music and entertaining audiences as Eagles.

[Dawn]

Let's be real. The band had to reunite if they wanted to capitalize on the mega lucrative 6 band Classic East/West - Irving Azoff's bicoastal version of Desert Trip 2016. This has been in the works for months.

[Delilah]

Honestly, we seem to have reached a point where this thread is becoming quite circular and redundant on all sides. We are starting to rehash the same arguments over and over, which can be perceived as rubbing salt in the wound on either side and, inevitably end up in confrontation.

I think you're on to something, Dreamer. Maybe I'll bow out of this thread before I start repeating myself, if I haven't already. If I have, then my apologies to everyone.

[WalshFan88]

Except no one went back on his word. No one made any promises and no one signed any contracts. In an early grief-stricken state, Don H said the Eagles were over. Later he made similar statements using open-ended qualifiers like "perhaps" "maybe" "seems like" "I think." As I posted earlier somewhere, when he started talking about performing with Deacon Frey, it appeared to me he was not ready to let go. He started getting flak apparently, so he back-peddled from that a bit. But it looked like (to some of us anyway) that the door to Eagles future performances was not yet shut.

As far as "doing what's right", that's a matter of opinion and moral judgment. To Don, Joe and Timothy, doing what's right could mean following one's heart and being true to themselves e.g. performing music and entertaining audiences as Eagles.

It's a difference of opinion and viewpoint here.

Don, Joe, and Tim said there would be no more Eagles. It was the right thing to say AFAIC. Maybe they didn't pull a Motley Crue and sign a contract that was legally binding keeping them from ever playing again...but still, words are still worth something in the minds and hearts of people who care about them.

To me, that is going back on their word, as Soda and others have stated.

Doing what's right, IMO, is not going out for one last or one more tour's worth of a money grab without one of the most if not the most important member(s) of the band's history and going on as business as usual and cutting him out of promotional material as if he never existed. THAT is the critical difference.

Obviously there are two camps here, and we aren't likely to make each other see it from our perspective but as far as I and some others are concerned, the Eagles are done....If you like the "Eagles 3.0", more power to you and nothing against you for feeling that way. But in the same respect, I'm not about to keep from standing up for what I feel is right and criticizing it, they opened themselves to it the second they made all of this public news. I don't feel sorry for them at all. I think Irving is the main man to blame....but unfortunately they are all now subject to it because they've agreed to it, undoubtedly under pressure....but still.

Again, nothing against those who are ok with them moving on as the Eagles, but not all of us are going to agree. And that's perfectly okay, IMO. But it is what it is.

[WKMB55]

Because I seldom visit and don't belong to websites for any other bands this may just be my perception but it seems like Don, Joe and Timothy are being judged much more harshly for their words and their decisions than any other band who decided to continue after the death of a prominent member.

[Dawn]

I realize not everyone heard Don's radio interview but now that the genie is out of the bottle why aren't they publically revealing the identities of the new additions to the band?

[sodascouts]

I realize not everyone heard Don's radio interview but now that the genie is out of the bottle why aren't they publicly revealing the identities of the new additions to the band?

I don't know. Perhaps they feel keeping people in suspense will amp up the hype and make folks a bit more willing to drop a few grand on a seat up close.

I almost dread the announcement, honestly. I dread the photos of the new line up, the stark visual reminder that Glenn is gone, the press interviews which will reinforce the harsh reality that Glenn's presence has been deemed unnecessary to the band. "It's not the same without Glenn... but we've got a couple of new guys that you'll love! Tickets start at $150!"

While I'm sure Don is being sincere when he says Glenn is irreplaceable, he obviously means that only on an emotional level. Musically, he is replacing Glenn. There's no way around it. That's what you call it when you hire people to sing Glenn's parts. I don't care who these "Friends and Family" are. They're not Glenn.

[RudieCantFail]

Geez, they might have people replacing Glenn? Ok, this is getting a bit unsettling. I see how continuing as the "Eagles" in any iteration is not a good idea for the dedicated fans. It's not good to omit any Glenn songs, due to his passing. It's also not good either to have someone replace Glenn to do Glenn songs.

Not that I'm advocating these alternatives that are popping in my head, but I think it would be ok-ish if they did Glenn songs instrumentally as a medley. However, one would need someone to play the Glenn guitar parts, so that might not be acceptable to some. If they're going to have singing, maybe his son or people that influenced Glenn's songwriting, like Bob Seger, Jack Tempchin, Jackson Browne or J.D. Souther.

I don't like the alternatives with the singing that I thought of. This is getting worse. So far, the concert is like a "damned if you, damned if you don't." It wouldn't be like that if their appearance at the Classic never was true.

On a side note, they had the Doobie Brothers, Journey, the Steve Miller Band, and Santana in the same venue for SF Fest last year. To avoid breaking Eagles' fans hearts, they could have just gotten Santana and the Steve Miller Band. It's too bad that it seems like the money talked. I'm sorry for you guys who are really hurting about this.

[UndertheWire]

So they're doing this. My view is they have to do Glenn's songs. Anything else would be as if they were cutting him out of their history. If they are going to sing his songs, I think they do it by bringing in multiple guests and possibly have Timothy and Joe sing one each. The message would be that Glenn is irreplaceable in that no one person can take his place and if they are people who were close to Glenn it's a way of showing he is not forgotten.

I'm not keen on the idea of this concert but I've decided to try to be more positive about it.

I've been thinking of the men I have known who remarried quite soon after the death of their first wives. These were all men with long and (presumably) happy first marriages. My cousin, remarried aged 50 and explained that as his children were grown up and living their own lives, he would get home and sit there all alone and he didn't like it. When my grandfather remarried three years after the death of his wife, his first wife's family weren't happy, but his sons accepted it and over the next forty years the lives of my grandfather, his sons and their children were all the better for this second marriage. Finally, a friend's father married his first wife's sister to the delight of both sets of children. Some things that are common with all three was that they liked being married and their first wives were not forgotten because they shared so many years and children.

You're probably thinking that has nothing to do with Eagles but it's one of the ways I've been using to make sense of it.

[Freypower]

Geez, they might have people replacing Glenn? Ok, this is getting a bit unsettling. I see how continuing as the "Eagles" in any iteration is not a good idea for the dedicated fans. It's not good to omit any Glenn songs, due to his passing. It's also not good either to have someone replace Glenn to do Glenn songs.

Not that I'm advocating these alternatives that are popping in my head, but I think it would be ok-ish if they did Glenn songs instrumentally as a medley. However, one would need someone to play the Glenn guitar parts, so that might not be acceptable to some. If they're going to have singing, maybe his son or people that influenced Glenn's songwriting, like Bob Seger, Jack Tempchin, Jackson Browne or J.D. Souther.

I don't like the alternatives with the singing that I thought of. This is getting worse. So far, the concert is like a "damned if you, damned if you don't." It wouldn't be like that if their appearance at the Classic never was true.

On a side note, they had the Doobie Brothers, Journey, the Steve Miller Band, and Santana in the same venue for SF Fest last year. To avoid breaking Eagles' fans hearts, they could have just gotten Santana and the Steve Miller Band. It's too bad that it seems like the money talked. I'm sorry for you guys who are really hurting about this.

I know where you're coming from with this but I can't think of anything worse.

'And now, here's a musical tribute to the dead guy'! A couple of minutes and then back to 'business as usual'.

I said I wasn't going to post any more. Well, I suppose I can have a change of heart too. It's more because Soda needs the support of people like myself who otherwise now have no voice (and I mean that every way you wish to interpret it). But I'm not going to repeat myself either, agreeing with Dreamer that it's pointless to do so.

[VillageGirl]

I said I wasn't going to post any more. Well, I suppose I can have a change of heart too. It's more because Soda needs the support of people like myself who otherwise now have no voice (and I mean that every way you wish to interpret it). But I'm not going to repeat myself either, agreeing with Dreamer that it's pointless to do so.

So do we get 2 Easters this year since another martyr has emerged?

Sorry, the drama is overwhelming and this Eagles 3.0 Merry go round doesn't seem to want to stop since nobody wants to play by the rules and stop arguing.

[Freypower]

So do we get 2 Easters this year since another martyr has emerged?

Sorry, the drama is overwhelming and this Eagles 3.0 Merry go round doesn't seem to want to stop since nobody wants to play by the rules and stop arguing.

Uh huh.

I shoud not have bothered. I said I had no intention of repeating myself and yet you have made this comment. So once again I am finished with it.

You can have your 'Eagles 3.0' and I wish you joy of it.

But you will NEVER silence those who hate everything about this. NEVER.

[VillageGirl]

[QUOTE=Freypower;356303
But you will NEVER silence those who hate everything about this. NEVER.[/QUOTE]

Shall I expect you, Dr. Evil and his bald cat to be on my doorstep tomorrow?

That last line was priceless.

I'm not asking you to embrace anything. Just enough with the histrionic statements.

[GlennLover]

Isn't it about time to close this thread?

[Freypower]

Shall I expect you, Dr. Evil and his bald cat to be on my doorstep tomorrow?

That last line was priceless.

I'm not asking you to embrace anything. Just enough with the histrionic statements.

You completely misunderstood & misinterpreted the previous post. I said that I thought perhaps I should continue to post because Soda needed support. I then said I had no desire to repeat myself.

If the last line was histrionic, then guilty as charged. It's OK. I get it that emotion is out and business is in. As I said, I wish you joy of it.

[sodascouts]

I'm not going to close the thread because I feel people need a place to talk about all these changes.

Mean-spirited ridicule of other members is not acceptable. I know I have let some nasty comments directed toward me slide, but when they're directed at members, that's a different story.

If you feel the urge to lash out and be ugly to someone, resist it. There's no need for that. Additionally, abuse of other members can get you a strike. Just take a deep breath and step back from the thread if you feel you can't participate in it without being mean to people you don't like and/or people who think differently about this than you do.

[UndertheWire]

You can't change the world but you can change yourself.

I can't change that these shows are going ahead but I can change my attitude to them. I could go with the idea that it's a cynical cash grab that disrespects Glenn and all he has done. Alternatively, I could accept Don, Joe and Timothy at face value and believe they will try to do something that will respect Glenn in a way that he would have wanted. That playing the songs will nurture Glenn's legacy in a way that a quiet retirement would not. It may work or it may turn out to be a big mistake. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind about it after the event. For now, I'm interested enough to want to know who will play with them.

My change of heart was partly in response to watching a documentary called "Queen: From Rags to Rhapsody" which had Brian May talking about continuing after the death of Freddie Mercury and because they all seemed like such nice, reasonable men, I thought "well, maybe".

The second prompt was a note on Facebook where someone who had known Glenn said he thought Glenn might have been offended if he'd made the cover of magazines at the supermarket checkout. This reminded me of how Glenn was pretty low-key about himself and perhaps he wouldn't have wanted a big tribute in his name with all the associated hype. Having the remaining band play a big show and make lots of money might be more to his liking. I don't know but possibly Irving, Don and Cindy know better.

[OutlawManNJ]

Isn't it about time to close this thread?

Lets close this thread when Donny BigBucks closes the Eagles.

[Dawn]

Glenn Frey liked his privacy but clearly recognized and appreciated the value of industry related accolades, awards, tributes etc. Case in point : His detailed, heartfelt & passionate induction of Linda Ronstadt into the RRHOF. His wonderful Eagles acceptance speech at the RRHOF ... You honor us therefore you honor yourselves, the History of the Eagles documentary ... A band for all time.

[Dawn]

It was always Glenn's band. Until it wasn't.

"...think Henley was the guy that came up with the words ‘when hell freezes over,’” he says and pauses. “If hell can freeze over, pigs can fly. I’d never say never." - Irving Azoff

Hell Freezes Over
Pigs Can Fly
Never Say Never

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/don-henley-says-the-eagles-are-done-it-was-always-glenn-freys-band/2016/11/28/ccd89a4a-aa6a-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html?utm_term=.9017487691e6

Note the date of this interview. November 2016

@ 1 month after Desert Trip 2016
@ 3-4 months before the big announcement of Eagles reuniting for The Classic.

[BillBailey1976]

No one has said this, so it's just a what if, on my part. But, might it be possible that "Eagles" have a contract with Irving Azoff to do X number of events, or appearances, and he's playing that card with this festival?
Like I said, I haven't heard anything like that, but it would certainly explain the band's change of mind on the issue of playing again.

[Funk 50]

I know he's refered to as satan but I can't see Irving coercing the guys into doing something that they didn't want to do, especially after losing Glenn.

I'm sure he works for them rather than the other way round. I've always felt that the Eagles will end when Irving is no longer employed as the Eagles manager, although I wouldn't say he was irreplaceable. :?

I'm unmoved by the change of mind. I don't pay much attention to what they say, it's deeds that count. Many times, over several Decades, I've heard that Joe is coming to Europe to play some solo dates, I'm resigned to disappointment that it's increasingly unlikely. :sigh:

[Delilah]

Reading about The Revolution's (tribute) tour for Prince provides an interesting perspective from his band mates. This is what Wendy Melvoin says about how they have felt, why they're doing it ("It was a spur-of-the-moment thing to find a sense of healing.") and how they are going to handle it.


Who's going to be singing?
Well, that's the thing. Everybody keeps saying, "Well, why are you doing it? Who's going to sing? Who's going to be Prince? Who's going to be the centerpiece?" All right, let's break this down: No one. No one's going to be Prince. No one will ever be Prince, and none of us in the band are going to try and be him. You can't. It's just not going to happen.

Also, this...

So what was your solution?
All this is all fluid right now. But the plan today – and it's changeable – is we only perform songs that don't distance us as the band. So in other words, if we perform "Darling Nikki," none of us are going to sing it. We're going to have someone come out and do it. Wherever we go, there's going to be an artist who loved him deeply and they can come up and sing that song. But the other tracks that were specifically geared around a band – say, "Let's Go Crazy" or "Controversy," or songs that have more like group vocals – we're going to [sing them]. We're also going to do some of the songs that didn't call for a lot of his calisthenics or his screaming. There's no one who could do that. No one.

I realize the situation is not the same as the Eagles and Glenn but I thought there were enough similarities that could help explain what surviving band members experience.

"The Revolution's Wendy Melvoin Talks Grieving for Prince, Spring Tour" Rolling Stone Mar. 6, 2017 (http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/the-revolutions-wendy-melvoin-on-princes-death-new-tour-w470525)

[Freypower]

I know he's refered to as satan but I can't see Irving coercing the guys into doing something that they didn't want to do, especially after losing Glenn.

I'm sure he works for them rather than the other way round. I've always felt that the Eagles will end when Irving is no longer employed as the Eagles manager, although I wouldn't say he was irreplaceable. :?

I'm unmoved by the change of mind. I don't pay much attention to what they say, it's deeds that count. Many times, over several Decades, I've heard that Joe is coming to Europe to play some solo dates, I'm resigned to disappointment that it's increasingly unlikely. :sigh:

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the presence of the manager is more essential to the band than that of the founding member. And don't come back with the 'but Henley' stuff. You know what I mean.

As others have said, you know how to twist the knife.

Never mind. This is how it is now, I suppose.

[chaim]

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that the presence of the manager is more essential to the band than that of the founding member. And don't come back with the 'but Henley' stuff. You know what I mean.

As others have said, you know how to twist the knife.

Never mind. This is how it is now, I suppose.

For a minute I felt Funk 50 means that Irving's the one who still wants to keep the band alive, but then I remembered that in the previous sentence he said that he's pretty sure Irving works for the band and not the other way around. So what that leaves us is that Irving is more important than Glenn. I have tried to see these things from other people's point of view and respect their feelings, and therefore I have stayed away from the "can the Eagles perform without Glenn" debate. But suggesting that the band can survive the loss of Glenn but couldn't survive the loss of Irving is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a while. Having said that Funk 50 did say "I've always felt", so at least it's not presented as a fact.

[Funk 50]

I don't know whether to address this or keep schtum :-?

How did The Beatles get on after the death of manger Brian Epstien ?

Irving's paid to give the Eagles stuff to do. When they stop paying him, I presume it'll be because they're done.

[chaim]

I don't know whether to address this or keep schtum :-?

How did The Beatles get on after the death of manger Brian Epstien ?

Irving's paid to give the Eagles stuff to do. When they stop paying him, I presume it'll be because they're done.

Ok. This is not the impression I got from your previous post. This I have no problem with. (I will not apologize for my rude comment even though it seems I was mistaken, because caring about other people's feelings doesn't seem to be the thing at moment.)

[UndertheWire]

Toni, maybe it's time we all remembered to spare each other's feelings.

I think I see Funk50's point in that Azoff is probably the one driving the business at this point. Even with the HotE documentary, it seems to have been Azoff who told Don and Glenn that it was time to do it and then Glenn pushed it forward. Don has a different focus. I don't mean that Irving is telling Don what he must to but I'm sure he's putting together persuasive "suggestions". After more than forty years, they know how each works.

[chaim]

Toni, maybe it's time we all remembered to spare each other's feelings.

I think I see Funk50's point in that Azoff is probably the one driving the business at this point. Even with the HotE documentary, it seems to have been Azoff who told Don and Glenn that it was time to do it and then Glenn pushed it forward. Don has a different focus. I don't mean that Irving is telling Don what he must to but I'm sure he's putting together persuasive "suggestions". After more than forty years, they know how each works.

You're right, of course.

IMO Funk 50's post I reacted to had poorly chosen words - especially in the light of the recent history here. You can easily read it the way I did.

I don't think it's right to put down everything someone says only because we don't like a lot of it. Meaning that now that Funk 50 explained better, I can see the point and I admit that I was mistaken. My "I will not apologize" comment was silly and a bit "tongue-in-cheek". It is my impression that Funk 50 is thick-skinned enough not to ("to not"?) be offended by something like that.

[Freypower]

Toni, nothing you said was wrong. It was me who overreacted because I find the vast majority of F50's posts seem designed to hurt Glenn Frey fans somehow, even though he himself has said that I take 'innocent' comments and turn them into a slur against Glenn. I'm afraid that for me he does it so often that in this case I suppose I read it the wrong way. The fundamental problem I have with all this is that Irving, no matter how good a manager he is, should have ceased being the manager in January 2016. Yet people are carrying on here as if nothing changed. That hurts me deeply. I'm over-sensitive & it's time I got out. I just wanted to explain that in this case I did overreact, it seems. So I'm sorry, F50. You can have that one.

Glenn Frey 1948 - 2016
Eagles 1971 - 2016

[Dawn]

I wonder how ticket sales are going and whether one venue is selling better than the other or if they are about equal.

[sodascouts]

It's hard to say, but almost everyone I've talked to who's going is getting the "cheaper" seats (under $900). I think those seats will sell well, if not sell out. I'm not sure if the really expensive ones will sell as well, but the good news for the bands is that even if only a quarter of those expensive tickets are bought, the bands will still make a huge amount of money.

At any rate, as of today, a visit to Ticketmaster shows there are plenty of seats available at both.

[New Kid In Town]

I checked the site for Citi Field and there were still plenty of seats from $238.00 on up. The only tickets to sell out so far from what I could tell were the $150.00. However, I read from a post on FB by someone who had purchased the $150.00 tickets that there was an $80.00 surcharge.

[Dawn]

Thank you Soda and NKIT, appreciate your replies!

Dawn

[thelastresort]

Just thinking aloud with something I meant to ask a long time ago - if touring isn't tremendously profitable for Don H. solo, why did he increase the size of his backing band by almost 50% with the horn section? They sounded perfectly fine without them when I saw them over here, and he seemed to cope without them for ages.

[New Kid In Town]

Dawn - My pleasure ! If you do go to the East concert, the hotels/motels will be very expensive. Anything in NY or Long Island costs a fortune. In addition, I would bet the price of a place to stay increases 50%. You could wind up spending a small fortune by the time everything is paid for. You could stay in NJ(where I live) but you would than have to take trains/subways to the stadium or rent a car, which costs a fortune. Just thought I would give you a heads up on this and give my 2c, which of course accounts for nothing.

[Glennsallnighter]

Having read extensively through this thread I don't think I have anything to add that hasn't already been said. I too would probably be classed as one of those Frey fans who would be happier living in the past as opposed to embracing the new regime with open arms. Well it's how I feel and I make no apologies for it.
I won't be going to either of the festival shows in the USA anyway. I will be interested to see what the set list is and how it will be presented to the fans. I think that to suggest that any seats that cost less than $900 are 'cheap' says it all. I remember the days not so long ago when I got to see the guys from the front row for less than that.

As for Soda. I know how upsetting the last 15 months have been and how hard she has worked to maintain this board particularly in the weeks following Glenn :heart:'s death. It is her board, her Baby (as we say) her choice to run the board as she sees fit and I would support her in any decision there.

[GlennLover]

Having read extensively through this thread I don't think I have anything to add that hasn't already been said. I too would probably be classed as one of those Frey fans who would be happier living in the past as opposed to embracing the new regime with open arms. Well it's how I feel and I make no apologies for it.
I won't be going to either of the festival shows in the USA anyway. I will be interested to see what the set list is and how it will be presented to the fans. I think that to suggest that any seats that cost less than $900 are 'cheap' says it all. I remember the days not so long ago when I got to see the guys from the front row for less than that.

As for Soda. I know how upsetting the last 15 months have been and how hard she has worked to maintain this board particularly in the weeks following Glenn :heart:'s death. It is her board, her Baby (as we say) her choice to run the board as she sees fit and I would support her in any decision there.

I agree on all counts, GA. Glenn's death is still very painful for me.

[Eagles7]

I am not surprised. I figured that they would not be able to resist it and that there would be some on here that would hate it.

Now if they would just include Meisner (if he's able) and Felder, that would be great for me personally. I love the Eagles, all of them, no matter what the lineup, and I will support them.

I agree!
It will seem more like the band if the Remaining Six could be together.

[WalshFan88]

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/timothy-b-schmit-eagles-reunion/

Timothy seems very nonchalant about this...

[WalshFan88]

I definitely doubt Felder would be back. That would be very disrespectful to Glenn....as much as I wish Felder would have been back in the band long ago, to bring him back after Glenn's death would add fuel to the fire. It may contain more original members but it would disrespect Glenn. That's my take on it.

[Dawn]

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/timothy-b-schmit-eagles-reunion/

Timothy seems very nonchalant about this...

Yes he does. :scowl:

Also, this "sworn to secrecy" hype about the mystery new hires is deplorable. How many more tickets do they need to sell before the public reveal?

Seriously. Not. Impressed.

[sodascouts]

Same here. Not impressed.

[WalshFan88]

I'd have to agree.

[eaglesfan]

In all fairness, Frey had no problem forcing out, in one form or another, Meisner, Leadon and Felder throughout the Eagles history. They were all equal members and he saw an opportunity to continue on with the band without them. Why shouldn't the surviving members feel the same as he did?

[chaim]

In all fairness, Frey had no problem forcing out, in one form or another, Meisner, Leadon and Felder throughout the Eagles history. They were all equal members and he saw an opportunity to continue on with the band without them. Why shouldn't the surviving members feel the same as he did?

If you browse through this thread a little bit, you will find several answers to that.

(The "forcing out" bit is not accurate in my humble opinion.)

[Annoying Twit]

It would be nice if all Eagles, living and dead, were given the same degree of benefit of the doubt concerning their actions.

[chaim]

It would be nice if all Eagles, living and dead, were given the same degree of benefit of the doubt concerning their actions.

Of course, but this is the first time (that I know of) that the members of the band themselves have said that there's no point in continuing. So obviously the situation is not the same as when those other members left.

[Annoying Twit]

Of course. But this is the first time (that I know of) that the members of the band themselves have said that there's no point in continuing. So obviously the situation is not the same as when those other members left.

They said that at one time, but they have changed their minds. Changing one's mind is not bad in itself; it depends on a lot of things.

But, it does seem to me that some comments here (not you) seem to want to interpret everything done and said by the surviving Eagles in the worst possible way. E.g. I can't see anything wrong with keeping the guest stars/musicians private until the concert.

I personally think that Don's interview makes things clearer. But, it's going to be the concerts themselves that will really put the reunion in its proper light. So, for me at least, the best strategy is to wait.

[chaim]

They said that at one time, but they have changed their minds. Changing one's mind is not bad in itself; it depends on a lot of things.

But, it does seem to me that some comments here (not you) seem to want to interpret everything done and said by the surviving Eagles in the worst possible way. E.g. I can't see anything wrong with keeping the guest stars/musicians private until the concert.

I personally think that Don's interview makes things clearer. But, it's going to be the concerts themselves that will really put the reunion in its proper light. So, for me at least, the best strategy is to wait.

I can see your point, but I understand the other point of view as well. I can definitely understand why many people here feel it's a different situation and that you can't compare it with other people leaving the band. I feel that way myself.
I can understand the band wanting to continue, and I understand people who support them. So I won't be arguing with them. It's just that...like I said, many of us feel that it's different when the founding member/boss/main arranger/other main vocalist is no longer there. I'm still referring to eaglesfan's post, by the way.

EDIT:

As for the "mystery guest" business, personally I couldn't care less.

[Dawn]

They said that at one time, but they have changed their minds. Changing one's mind is not bad in itself; it depends on a lot of things.

But, it does seem to me that some comments here (not you) seem to want to interpret everything done and said by the surviving Eagles in the worst possible way. E.g. I can't see anything wrong with keeping the guest stars/musicians private until the concert.

I personally think that Don's interview makes things clearer. But, it's going to be the concerts themselves that will really put the reunion in its proper light. So, for me at least, the best strategy is to wait.

Not revealing the identity of the new hires is deliberate and underscores how promoters and bands, themselves, can engage in manipulative marketing strategies to influence fans and ultimately ticket $sales$

The Eagles are an iconic, legendary band and this is what they resort to following the tragic death of cofounder and by all accounts leader of the Eagles Glenn Frey?

Come to think of it deplorable probably doesn't go far enough.

Contemptible ...

For me, that's the ticket.

[Annoying Twit]

I do not think that having mystery guests or mystery band members is a manipulative marketing strategy. I think it's a reasonable and appropriate thing to do.

I had a quick google for concert mystery guest, and I found many mentions of mystery guests at concerts. I didn't find any evidence that people were particularly perturbed by mystery guests. I couldn't see any evidence that people thought such inappropriate in any way. Even for tribute concerts for artists who have passed away.

[Delilah]

I do not think that having mystery guests or mystery band members is a manipulative marketing strategy. I think it's a reasonable and appropriate thing to do.

I had a quick google for concert mystery guest, and I found many mentions of mystery guests at concerts. I didn't find any evidence that people were particularly perturbed by mystery guests. I couldn't see any evidence that people thought such inappropriate in any way. Even for tribute concerts for artists who have passed away.

I can understand those who plan to buy tickets or have bought them already having questions about it, but to otherwise constantly harp on the issue serves no purpose. Not everyone here thinks the remaining Eagles are deplorable and exceptionally greedy.

Edit: just to make clear, AT, I'm agreeing with you--there could be very practical reasons for keeping the guests a secret.

[Funk 50]

The Eagles are an iconic, legendary band and this is what they resort to following the tragic death of cofounder and by all accounts leader of the Eagles Glenn Frey?

As far as I know, only Henley and Frey fanatics claim Glenn as the leader of the Eagles. Most accounts say Frey and Henley were joint leaders, Joe Walsh definitely did. Of course Joe wasn't there at the start when Frey approached Henley to form the band but after 40 years in the band , Joe should have a fair idea of who's in charge. I don't think Glenn ever claimed to be band leader, probably never had to. Between Henley and Frey, Glenn was always the outgoing and the one more likely to deliver an ass kicking when it was needed but I think Glenn and Don deferred to each other.

I attended a U2 concert that had Lou Reed as a special guest. I didn't notice he was there until the debrief with my pals after the show. Joe's performed Rocky Mountain Way as a suprise guest at loads of concerts, he always seems to be greeted warmly.

[Philh]

Having got tickets for Classic East I agree with keeping the identity secret of the special guests until the day of the concert but of course the LA crowd will be the first to find out.
It's fun to speculate who they will be and I don't think it's a marketing ploy to not reveal them in advance.
I hope it will be Jackson or Bob Seger or Deacon.
I will always like the Eagles and am thankful the band are continuing.
However I will really miss Glenn.

[New Kid In Town]

Wow, is it just me or does Timothy sound cold in that interview. Like ok Glenn's gone, a year has past, and time to move on kind of attitude.

[Dawn]

"And make no mistake about it: He was the leader of the Eagles. He was the band leader. Never doubt that for a minute, and they'll all tell you that it's true." - Bob Seger

Fanatic?

[New Kid In Town]

Dawn and Redstorm - agree. Don has even stated in numerous interviews Glenn was the leader.

[Freypower]

As far as I know, only Henley and Frey fanatics claim Glenn as the leader of the Eagles. Most accounts say Frey and Henley were joint leaders, Joe Walsh definitely did. Of course Joe wasn't there at the start when Frey approached Henley to form the band but after 40 years in the band , Joe should have a fair idea of who's in charge. I don't think Glenn ever claimed to be band leader, probably never had to. Between Henley and Frey, Glenn was always the outgoing and the one more likely to deliver an ass kicking when it was needed but I think Glenn and Don deferred to each other.

I attended a U2 concert that had Lou Reed as a special guest. I didn't notice he was there until the debrief with my pals after the show. Joe's performed Rocky Mountain Way as a suprise guest at loads of concerts, he always seems to be greeted warmly.

Sigh....

Have you seen the History of the Eagles documentary?

At the end, Frey states (I'm paraphrasing) that he was proud to have been the leader of the Eagles & Don Henley's partner.

Spin that. Go on.

Replies to NKIT about Tim sounding cold. Yes.
To Redstorm: It makes no difference to me whether they have Deacon or not. I am fundamentally opposed to this & the way it has been handled.

As for the special guests issue leaving aside whether or not it's Deacon, Henley stated that two people had been 'added to the lineup'. That sounds more permanent than 'guest'. To Delilah, unfortunately some disagree with you about the secrecy of all this, so they have been harping on about it just as those who think the whole thing is the greatest event of all time have been. It works both ways.

[Delilah]

Sigh....

As for the special guests issue leaving aside whether or not it's Deacon, Henley stated that two people had been 'added to the lineup'. That sounds more permanent than 'guest'. To Delilah, unfortunately some disagree with you about the secrecy of all this, so they have been harping on about it just as those who think the whole thing is the greatest event of all time have been. It works both ways.

Well, FP, I guess we have to agree to disagree about the nature and amount of harping going on being at the same level. At any rate, and I hope this does not come off as snarky in any way, I have seen at least one post where you have chastised others for "constantly complaining" about a particular topic.

I'd like to add my 2 cents about Timothy and say I don't believe he sounds "cold" in the interview where he has a couple of quotes. I'm not sure what is expected of him as far as how he should sound.

[chaim]

As far as I know, only Henley and Frey fanatics claim Glenn as the leader of the Eagles. Most accounts say Frey and Henley were joint leaders, Joe Walsh definitely did. Of course Joe wasn't there at the start when Frey approached Henley to form the band but after 40 years in the band , Joe should have a fair idea of who's in charge. I don't think Glenn ever claimed to be band leader, probably never had to. Between Henley and Frey, Glenn was always the outgoing and the one more likely to deliver an ass kicking when it was needed but I think Glenn and Don deferred to each other.

I attended a U2 concert that had Lou Reed as a special guest. I didn't notice he was there until the debrief with my pals after the show. Joe's performed Rocky Mountain Way as a suprise guest at loads of concerts, he always seems to be greeted warmly.

Yes, as far as you know.

[eaglesfan]

The sad reality is that the Eagles in any incarnation are just about over anyway. Henley Walsh and Schmidt are all just about in their 70's now. It's probable that one of them will be gone in the next five years, sadly.

Let them play it out and have fun. it's just a rock band.

[Freypower]

The sad reality is that the Eagles in any incarnation are just about over anyway. Henley Walsh and Schmidt are all just about in their 70's now. It's probable that one of them will be gone in the next five years, sadly.

Let them play it out and have fun. it's just a rock band.

The point is that they were 'just about over' in January 2016 and they should have realised that then. None of this should have happened.

[Annoying Twit]

I don't think there is any doubt that Glenn was the leader of Eagles, if any one person was.

But, Glenn has passed on. Don Henley is now the leader of what remains of Eagles. We are in a different era, if this lasts long enough to be called an 'era'.

Who thinks that 'this is the greatest thing of all time'? I see nobody claiming that.

[UndertheWire]

I don't see Timothy's comments as "cold", just "matter of fact" and that seems to be typical of him. He seems to have an ability to compartmentalise and I'm sure that has been useful when working with the other band members.


"I can't tell you,'' said Schmit, a smile clearly evident in his voice. "I'm sworn to secrecy.''
Henley: "Again, when I think people see who the people are that we are adding to the band they will be delighted and they will understand and approve of what we’re doing."The above two comments make me feel that Timothy and Don are pretty happy abount working with Deacon and I can understand that seeing Glenn's son with Glenn's guitar may feel good and right for them, regardless of what money it might bring in.

One thing is for sure, they are not continuing as if Glenn never existed.

[chaim]

I don't think there is any doubt that Glenn was the leader of Eagles, if any one person was.

But, Glenn has passed on. Don Henley is now the leader of what remains of Eagles. We are in a different era, if this lasts long enough to be called an 'era'.

Who thinks that 'this is the greatest thing of all time'? I see nobody claiming that.

Well, I can recall at least one person saying enthusiastically that they could reach new heights now.

[Freypower]

I don't see Timothy's comments as "cold", just "matter of fact" and that seems to be typical of him. He seems to have an ability to compartmentalise and I'm sure that has been useful when working with the other band members.

The above two comments make me feel that Timothy and Don are pretty happy abount working with Deacon and I can understand that seeing Glenn's son with Glenn's guitar may feel good and right for them, regardless of what money it might bring in.

One thing is for sure, they are not continuing as if Glenn never existed.

You are being far too generous. Broken record that I am, I say they should not have given in to this.

As for the 'greatest thing of all time' comment that was a bit exaggerated, but there are a couple of people who have made no secret that they think this will 'bring them together' and have even suggested that they do a new album.

Nobody has yet said what a tremendous burden this will be on Deacon if it is indeed him who is in this lineup (also remember it's two people, not one). From now on he will be compared with his father, mostly (I would have thought) in a negative way. If he wanted to be a musician he should have started small. Joining his father's old band doesn't seem the right way for him to make his own name.

[UndertheWire]

Nobody has yet said what a tremendous burden this will be on Deacon if it is indeed him who is in this lineup (also remember it's two people, not one). From now on he will be compared with his father, mostly (I would have thought) in a negative way. If he wanted to be a musician he should have started small. Joining his father's old band doesn't seem the right way for him to make his own name.
I think you are being unfair. This is just two shows and I expect most people to be more generous when considering his performance. I see it more as being a sideman brought in for a few shows but able to follow his own interests otherwise.

ETA: I would have been happy if "Eagles" had never played again but if this is happening with Deacon, I hope it works out for him. He has a better idea than most about what is involved (and certainly far more than I could imagine).

[Funk 50]

If Deacon does take the stage with the Eagles during Classic East / West, it will be a real pressure cooker. He'll be going on stage after legends have left it. (I'm not sure of the current line ups of The Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan). I bet he's been practicing his chops, double time, since Henley first made the suggestion. if he's anything like Glenn he'll be ready and I'm sure everything will be well rehearsed beforehand. The guests haven't been announced so if Joe or Deacon himself have second thoughts, he can pull out.

I don't see Deacon being on stage for the complete show but just a song or two to break the Henley / Walsh monotony.

Judging by the number of GF equipment cases on view, compared to the single BL case, Deacon's playing a major role in the Walsh tour or Joe's inherited Glenn's stage gear. :shrug:

[UndertheWire]

I wondered if they might have brought in all of Glenn's guitars from storage so that Deacon could try them out. I think I read that Joe and Glenn shared a guitar tech.

Also, I agree that as Deacon's name hasn't been announced, there's time for him to try out with Joe and if it doesn't work he can drop out. But they'll make it work.

[Annoying Twit]

Deacon is about 23 years old or so. He's an adult and can make his own decisions.

I've seen Neil Finn touring with his 15 year old son. Nobody expected him to be fully professional. It was a really nice thing to see him there on stage. That was 15 years ago, and Neil Finn still tours with his family.

The remaining Eagles are also adults and can make their own decisions. I don't think it's right or reasonable for us random people around the world to think we have the right to tell other adults what they should or shouldn't do in a situation like this.


Well, I can recall at least one person saying enthusiastically that they could reach new heights now.

Who was that? And were they being serious or were they stirring the pot?

[chaim]

Deacon is about 23 years old or so. He's an adult and can make his own decisions.

I've seen Neil Finn touring with his 15 year old son. Nobody expected him to be fully professional. It was a really nice thing to see him there on stage. That was 15 years ago, and Neil Finn still tours with his family.

The remaining Eagles are also adults and can make their own decisions. I don't think it's right or reasonable for us random people around the world to think we have the right to tell other adults what they should or shouldn't do in a situation like this.



Who was that? And were they being serious or were they stirring the pot?

I don't remember who said it, but based on what I've seen here later I assume the screen name began with an 'F'...

[GlennLover]

Deacon is about 23 years old or so. He's an adult and can make his own decisions.

I've seen Neil Finn touring with his 15 year old son. Nobody expected him to be fully professional. It was a really nice thing to see him there on stage. That was 15 years ago, and Neil Finn still tours with his family.

The remaining Eagles are also adults and can make their own decisions. I don't think it's right or reasonable for us random people around the world to think we have the right to tell other adults what they should or shouldn't do in a situation like this.



Who was that? And were they being serious or were they stirring the pot?

Deacon turned 24 a few days ago (April 17).

[Delilah]

Nobody has yet said what a tremendous burden this will be on Deacon if it is indeed him who is in this lineup (also remember it's two people, not one). From now on he will be compared with his father, mostly (I would have thought) in a negative way. If he wanted to be a musician he should have started small. Joining his father's old band doesn't seem the right way for him to make his own name.

I believe this is a valid concern. Already this seems to be happening. The comparisons are inevitable and no doubt Deacon is aware of that. He has family and friends in the music industry who are probably advising him about the unique position he is in.

I do agree with UtW though that most people will be generous and not expect him to be a clone of his father. I'm sure there are a lot of young aspiring musicians who would to love to have the opportunity to perform with Joe and at the Classic concerts so why would he be any different? There's the also the possibility he wants to honor his father's legacy and this is a way of doing it.

[Dawn]

If it turns out to be Deacon as one of the two new additions to the bands' lineup no one should be surprised. Run the big screen video. Cue the spotlight. Pass the tissue box. Showtime!

[Annoying Twit]

If it turns out to be Deacon as one of the two new additions to the bands' lineup no one should be surprised. Run the big screen video. Cue the spotlight. Pass the tissue box. Showtime!

You seem to be trying to make it sound a bad thing if Deacon participates in a tribute to his father.

[Dawn]

You seem to be trying to make it sound a bad thing if Deacon participates in a tribute to his father.

Last I checked this was not a Glenn Frey tribute concert.

[Delilah]

It doesn't have to be billed as a "Glenn Frey Tribute Concert" in order for the performers to pay tribute to him. Other artists have paid tribute to Glenn at their shows without billing it as such. I don't believe there's been enough information given about this summer's shows to rule out any kind of tribute.

[Annoying Twit]

It doesn't have to be billed as a "Glenn Frey Tribute Concert" in order for the performers to pay tribute to him. Other artists have paid tribute to Glenn at their shows without billing it as such. I don't believe there's been enough information given about this summer's shows to rule out any kind of tribute.

Agreed. I can't believe that there won't be a tribute to Glenn at the shows.

[New Kid In Town]

If Deacon is one of the two performers for East/West, I would guess that this has been discussed by Cindy with her son and the other guys. If he plays the two shows does not mean he will be doing anything else with them. I know he had been going to Production School in LA so, who knows what will happen.
Makes me wonder if Don's musings last year about the only way they would perform together would be with Deacon was a slip of the tongue. This whole thing was obviously planned quite a while ago.

[Freypower]

It doesn't have to be billed as a "Glenn Frey Tribute Concert" in order for the performers to pay tribute to him. Other artists have paid tribute to Glenn at their shows without billing it as such. I don't believe there's been enough information given about this summer's shows to rule out any kind of tribute.

The entire concert should have been a tribute & billed as such. Otherwise it won't have the same meaning.

[Freypower]

Deacon is about 23 years old or so. He's an adult and can make his own decisions.

I've seen Neil Finn touring with his 15 year old son. Nobody expected him to be fully professional. It was a really nice thing to see him there on stage. That was 15 years ago, and Neil Finn still tours with his family.

The remaining Eagles are also adults and can make their own decisions. I don't think it's right or reasonable for us random people around the world to think we have the right to tell other adults what they should or shouldn't do in a situation like this.

Who was that? And were they being serious or were they stirring the pot?

No, we don't have the right to tell them what they should or shouldn't do. We do have the right to discuss & disagree with what they do, or this message board is pointless. What you appear to be saying is you agree with the Remnants continuing, and those who don't agree should be silent.

I saw Liam Finn too. Slight difference...Neil is still alive.

[Annoying Twit]

No, we don't have the right to tell them what they should or shouldn't do. We do have the right to discuss & disagree with what they do, or this message board is pointless. What you appear to be saying is you agree with the Remnants continuing, and those who don't agree should be silent.


Once again, you twist my words to mean something they don't. Why can't you address the points that people actually make instead of creating straw men arguments?

I'm not saying that people should be silent. I'm addressing the opinions you post which is a reasonable thing to do in a discussion forum.

While I understand people's pain, many of the comments I see here seem to paint the surviving Eagles as scoundrels for deciding to play again as Eagles. Which I consider to be very unfair.

However, when we discuss the possibility that Deacon Frey may play with Eagles, presumably as some sort of tribute to his father, and people paint him with the same scoundrel brush, that's getting to the point where it's downright nasty. This is a man who has lost his father who may (or may not) appear with his father's colleagues on stage. I ask people here to think about what they are saying.



I saw Liam Finn too. Slight difference...Neil is still alive.

Since Neil is still alive, this strengthens my point; it doesn't invalidate it.

Since Neil is still alive, there is even more reason why people might object to nepotism in band member selection. I haven't heard anyone object to that. People didn't object to Dani Harrison appearing as part of the concert for George. People, including myself, thought it very nice that Dani had a prominent place on the stage. I believe that my example stands.

[Dawn]

What's pathetic is the remaining Eagles not having the integrity to disclose the two new additions to the band. Fans are expected to dig deep (and I do mean DEEP) into their pockets to buy tickets based solely on media hype, rumor, SPIN and speculation with the promise of some emotional Big Reveal.

The Eagles is an iconic legendary band and this is what it's come to.

Shameful.

[New Kid In Town]

Dawn - I could not agree more. Shameful to charge a max of $2,750.00 and than not disclose who the two "guests" are. There are still plenty of seats left. Center in front of the stage are gone but plenty of seats left/right of the stage for $2,750.00.

[eaglesfan]

What's pathetic is the remaining Eagles not having the integrity to disclose the two new additions to the band. Fans are expected to dig deep (and I do mean DEEP) into their pockets to buy tickets based solely on media hype, rumor, SPIN and speculation with the promise of some emotional Big Reveal.

The Eagles is an iconic legendary band and this is what it's come to.

Shameful.

I don't really understand why it's 'pathetic' and demonstrates a lack of 'integrity' that they havent' yet announced how they will fill the hole left by Glenn Frey.

The tickets are on sale to see 7 or 8 bands or whatever it is. At least one of the bands, The Eagles, come with a level of uncertainty about who will be in this version of it given how a key member passed away over a year ago. For many if not most, seeing Henley and Walsh is enough to make a purchase decision.

In the meantime, I don't know why they haven't announced it yet, but it's very plausible that they themselves aren't entirely sure who will be performing. It could be they are waiting on Deacon Frey to make a final decision and/or pass some sort of test to show he's ready and able to do this. It could also be they are in negotiations with a big name or two to come in and fill Frey's slot.

It could also be that they are waiting to see how ticket sales go, and will make a splash announcement if need be to sell the place out.

In any of those scenarios, I don't see how they lack integrity or are pathetic. They are businessmen and always have been...Frey certainly was too, to his credit.

If you don't want to buy tickets because you want to know who the band members are, then that's certainly understandable. If you buy them anyway because Henley-Walsh-Schmit are enough for you to go ahead and purchase, then that too is certainly understandable.

But attacking the band's integrity because they aren't sure who (if anybody) will fill in for Frey seems way out of bounds to me anyway.

[Freypower]

Once again, you twist my words to mean something they don't. Why can't you address the points that people actually make instead of creating straw men arguments?

I'm not saying that people should be silent. I'm addressing the opinions you post which is a reasonable thing to do in a discussion forum.

While I understand people's pain, many of the comments I see here seem to paint the surviving Eagles as scoundrels for deciding to play again as Eagles. Which I consider to be very unfair.

However, when we discuss the possibility that Deacon Frey may play with Eagles, presumably as some sort of tribute to his father, and people paint him with the same scoundrel brush, that's getting to the point where it's downright nasty. This is a man who has lost his father who may (or may not) appear with his father's colleagues on stage. I ask people here to think about what they are saying.



Since Neil is still alive, this strengthens my point; it doesn't invalidate it.

Since Neil is still alive, there is even more reason why people might object to nepotism in band member selection. I haven't heard anyone object to that. People didn't object to Dani Harrison appearing as part of the concert for George. People, including myself, thought it very nice that Dani had a prominent place on the stage. I believe that my example stands.

I hope you are not referring to me because I have barely mentioned Deacon's (presumed) participation. Please provide me with one example where someone has painted Deacon as a 'scoundrel'. I don't think anyone has done so. What I said, and Delilah agreed with me, that it would be a great deal of pressure for him. I don't see what's wrong with that.

I object to this entire business. I don't believe I have impugned the characters of HWS, except that I think they are driven by money. I don't care who takes Frey's place. My point is that nobody can.

The Concert For George was a proper tribute, which is what this exercise should have been, but isn't, so the comparison doesn't work.

[New Kid In Town]

JMHO but I think this whole thing is nothing more than a sad, money grubbing affair. I would guess my bank account they know who the two "guests" are and have not announced it to to drive up ticket sales. This did not happen over night - it was in the works for a long time. To go on and on for an entire year stating that the Eagles are no more because of Glenn's passing and than announce this is beyond pathetic. IMHO they have no respect For the legacy of the Eagles and nothing is more important to them than money. Don, Tim and Joe can, and have/will have opportunities to tour together and bill themselves how ever they choose. To call themselves the Eagles is beyond, IMHO disrespectful to the history and legacy of the band.
I have defended the band for years and years when friends have labeled them money hungry. However I can no longer do so. it saddens me to say this. As a new person on this board I am truly sorry if this upsets or offends someone - I do not mean it to. This is just my opinion. I guess I should say let the attacking begin - which also makes me very sad.
This whole thing could have been handled very differently. I am not alone in my feelings, numerous FB posts have stated the same thing.
****THIS IS NOT CRITICISM TOWARD DEACON. I WISH HIM NOTHING BUT THE BEST.

[sodascouts]

I'm with you, NKIT. You're right that some people will harshly criticize you (to put it mildly), but I'm not one of them.

I really hope that if they asked Deacon to tour with them, he said no.

ETA: I better put a qualifier like NKIT did, before anyone "misunderstands": I AM NOT HATING ON DEACON AND I TOO WISH HIM THE BEST.

[Funk 50]

JMHO but I think this whole thing is nothing more than a sad, money grubbing affair. I would guess my bank account they know who the two "guests" are and have not announced it to to drive up ticket sales.

I don't think the reason for playing shows has changed since Glenn died. If it's a "money grubbing affair" now, it's been a "money grubbing affair" at least sinceHFO. I guess that they're just not ready to walk away from a band they've been a part of for most of their adult lives.

I don't see how keeping the special guests under wraps drives up ticket sales. Surely anybody who cares will be waiting for the guests to be announced before purchasing their ticket. I assume that people are buying tickets on the strength of the bands history and integrity.

Even solo, Don, Joe and Tim put on a good show so it's difficult to imagine them playing a disappointing show with their talents merged. I expect the majority of fans will say they got their money's worth and I'll still support the band, probably not so enthusiastically though, if the general opinion was that the two shows were below par.

Questioning someone's opinion is not criticising them.

I wish Deacon all the best but I'm not keen on nepotism.

[EagleInKansas]

This is becoming farcical, to me, at this point. A money-grubbing affair, as if anyone on this site, or basically anywhere in the world, wishes to do any work without being fairly compensated for the absolute most they can receive. As Irving Azoff said, the Eagles are not a hippie commune.

The Eagles are such horrible people for not dedicating every single one of their remaining breaths to Glenn (whom I absolutely love, by the way), even though Don, Joe and Glenn have talked about him at every public performance and in every interview since his death while also performing a song in his memory at every live show.

Deacon Frey has possibly chosen to remember his father by performing with the band, which somehow makes the band even more evil. And that is fine to point out as long as you make perfectly clear your hatred doesn't reflect in any way on Deacon. It's laughable.

Some of you are absolutely determined to turn on this band and this group of people for the way they've chosen to live their lives, even though it's basically consistent with all of their previous years, save for one when they were unsure if they would continue. It's music. It's entertainment. And for the Eagles, it's work. They want to do it, and they want to get paid for it.

Get over it.

[Delilah]

Dawn and Redstorm - agree. Don has even stated in numerous interviews Glenn was the leader.

The way I read Funk50's post, he concedes that Don said Glenn was the leader. But clearly Don himself was not merely a follower. If the band was just Glenn and his yes men, then all the conflicts and fighting during the 70s wouldn't have happened.

By HFO, the leadership roles were clearly established with only Don F showing some resistance. It had always been my impression that Glenn and Don H were co-leaders. It wasn't until I started delving into the band's history that I began to better understand the band dynamics and that Glenn was viewed as the leader. However, I suspect that Don H had a lot more influence behind the scenes than may be recognized. There's a reason why making the LROOE album wasn't smooth sailing.

[chaim]

This is becoming farcical, to me, at this point. A money-grubbing affair, as if anyone on this site, or basically anywhere in the world, wishes to do any work without being fairly compensated for the absolute most they can receive. As Irving Azoff said, the Eagles are not a hippie commune.



I totally agree with this point of view in general, but in the case of the Eagles at this point, people (other than rock stars and other artists) their age are usually retired. I think the criticizers see it this way:
The Eagles don't need to work anymore as the Eagles, but they choose to. And maybe it's only because they want even more money.

[Delilah]

I hope you are not referring to me because I have barely mentioned Deacon's (presumed) participation. Please provide me with one example where someone has painted Deacon as a 'scoundrel'. I don't think anyone has done so.

This

If it turns out to be Deacon as one of the two new additions to the bands' lineup no one should be surprised. Run the big screen video. Cue the spotlight. Pass the tissue box. Showtime!

Which basically means: Not only is the band being slammed for its supposedly evil performing-for-profit scheme, but now Deacon is being implicated by partaking in the band's manipulative ploy to pull the heartstrings of clueless ticket-buyers.

As AT pointed out, this is a young man who lost his father. Far be it for anyone to question how he chooses to honor his father and his father's legacy i.e. Eagles.

Now, this may not have been the way it was intended. But I bet if someone else made such a comment (I won't name names), he would be reamed from here to next Tuesday. If Don Felder had made this comment on his FB page, the board would probably explode.

[New Kid In Town]

Delilah - I made the comment about Glenn being the leader in response to numerous comments made by other people. I agree with you in that there was a huge struggle between Glenn and Don in the late 70's over who would be the leader. This was one of the numerous reason why they broke up in 1980.
After they resumed in 1994 for HFO, I think there was still a struggle before they reach some kind of compromise. Somewhere along the way Glenn became the leader. However, I do not believe anything got done without Don's approval. I agree that the struggle between the two ebbed and flowed and it sounded like it continued during the making of LROE.

Chaim - I am not saying that Don, Joe and Tim should not sing together. However, I personally feel calling themselves "Eagles" without one of the two founding member negatively affects the legacy of the band. Nothing more and nothing less.

I know since 1994 that the Eagles have been all about money when it comes to ticket prices. Back than when I saw them I paid $75.00 - which was a lot of money. My friends thought I was crazy to pay that much money. I know they can charge what they want. However, when they charged $1,500.00 downward for tickets for the HOTE Tour they priced themselves out of many, many fans who would have loved to see them. Same thing with the Wast/West Festival, $2,750.00 on down is in MHO, just a crazy amount of money. The festival last year was three days and cost less then this and one day passes were sold.

I never said I hated Don, Tim and Joe. I am just disappointed that they could not be honest up front about this. This festival did not happen over night, it took months to plan. I feel it is wrong to charge those prices and not say who the "guests" are. Just my opinion.

[travlnman2]

You Guys Do relaize the band makes its money from touring right? If they make 3 mill for one show. They dont even see 1 mill of that after Venue, Promotion, Crew expenses the Manager etc.

If this was a cash grab for the band the ticket prices would be MUCH higher. If people still bought albums the ticket prices would be lower?

https://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/jun/05/gig-tickets-expensive-blog

[travlnman2]

Bands DO NOT make money these days by selling vip tickets for $200. Managers, Lawyers, Record company, City, Stadium Owners all get a cut of the momey before the Band ever sees it.

[travlnman2]

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100712/23482610186.shtml

RIAA Accounting: Why Even Major Label Musicians Rarely Make Money From Album Sales
from the going-behind-the-veil dept
We recently had a fun post about Hollywood accounting, about how the movie industry makes sure even big hit movies "lose money" on paper. So how about the recording industry? Well, they're pretty famous for doing something quite similar. Reader Jay pointed out in the comments an article from The Root that goes through who gets paid what for music sales, and the basic answer is not the musician. That report suggests that for every $1,000 sold, the average musician gets $23.40. Here's the chart that the article shows, though you should read the whole article for all of the details:

Source: TheRoot.com

Of course, it's actually even more ridiculous than this report makes it out to be. Going back ten years ago, Courtney Love famously laid out the details of recording economics, where the label can make $11 million... and the actual artists make absolutely nothing. It starts off with a band getting a massive $1 million advance, and then you follow the money:
What happens to that million dollars?

They spend half a million to record their album. That leaves the band with $500,000. They pay $100,000 to their manager for 20 percent commission. They pay $25,000 each to their lawyer and business manager.

That leaves $350,000 for the four band members to split. After $170,000 in taxes, there's $180,000 left. That comes out to $45,000 per person.

That's $45,000 to live on for a year until the record gets released.

The record is a big hit and sells a million copies. (How a bidding-war band sells a million copies of its debut record is another rant entirely, but it's based on any basic civics-class knowledge that any of us have about cartels. Put simply, the antitrust laws in this country are basically a joke, protecting us just enough to not have to re-name our park service the Phillip Morris National Park Service.)

So, this band releases two singles and makes two videos. The two videos cost a million dollars to make and 50 percent of the video production costs are recouped out of the band's royalties.

The band gets $200,000 in tour support, which is 100 percent recoupable.

The record company spends $300,000 on independent radio promotion. You have to pay independent promotion to get your song on the radio; independent promotion is a system where the record companies use middlemen so they can pretend not to know that radio stations -- the unified broadcast system -- are getting paid to play their records.

All of those independent promotion costs are charged to the band.

Since the original million-dollar advance is also recoupable, the band owes $2 million to the record company.

If all of the million records are sold at full price with no discounts or record clubs, the band earns $2 million in royalties, since their 20 percent royalty works out to $2 a record.

Two million dollars in royalties minus $2 million in recoupable expenses equals ... zero!

How much does the record company make?

They grossed $11 million.

It costs $500,000 to manufacture the CDs and they advanced the band $1 million. Plus there were $1 million in video costs, $300,000 in radio promotion and $200,000 in tour support.

The company also paid $750,000 in music publishing royalties.

They spent $2.2 million on marketing. That's mostly retail advertising, but marketing also pays for those huge posters of Marilyn Manson in Times Square and the street scouts who drive around in vans handing out black Korn T-shirts and backwards baseball caps. Not to mention trips to Scores and cash for tips for all and sundry.

Add it up and the record company has spent about $4.4 million.

So their profit is $6.6 million; the band may as well be working at a 7-Eleven.
And that explains why huge megastars like Lyle Lovett have pointed out that he sold 4.6 million records and never made a dime from album sales. It's why the band 30 Seconds to Mars went platinum and sold 2 million records and never made a dime from album sales. You hear these stories quite often.

And note that those are bands that are hugely, massively popular. How about those that just do okay? Remember last year, when Tim Quirk of the band Too Much Joy revealed how Warner Music made a ton of money of of the band's albums, but simply refuses to accurately account for royalties owed, because the band is considered unrecoupable. Sometimes the numbers even go in reverse. If you don't understand RIAA accounting, you might think that if a band hasn't "recouped" its advance, it means that the record labels lost money. Not so in many cases. Quirk explained the neat accounting trick in a footnote to his post about his own royalty statement:
A word here about that unrecouped balance, for those uninitiated in the complex mechanics of major label accounting. While our royalty statement shows Too Much Joy in the red with Warner Bros. (now by only $395,214.71 after that $62.47 digital windfall), this doesn't mean Warner "lost" nearly $400,000 on the band. That's how much they spent on us, and we don't see any royalty checks until it's paid back, but it doesn't get paid back out of the full price of every album sold. It gets paid back out of the band's share of every album sold, which is roughly 10% of the retail price. So, using round numbers to make the math as easy as possible to understand, let's say Warner Bros. spent something like $450,000 total on TMJ. If Warner sold 15,000 copies of each of the three TMJ records they released at a wholesale price of $10 each, they would have earned back the $450,000. But if those records were retailing for $15, TMJ would have only paid back $67,500, and our statement would show an unrecouped balance of $382,500.

I do not share this information out of a Steve Albini-esque desire to rail against the major label system (he already wrote the definitive rant, which you can find here if you want even more figures, and enjoy having those figures bracketed with cursing and insults). I'm simply explaining why I'm not embarrassed that I "owe" Warner Bros. almost $400,000. They didn't make a lot of money off of Too Much Joy. But they didn't lose any, either. So whenever you hear some label flak claiming 98% of the bands they sign lose money for the company, substitute the phrase "just don't earn enough" for the word "lose."
So, back to our original example of the average musician only earning $23.40 for every $1,000 sold. That money has to go back towards "recouping" the advance, even though the label is still straight up cashing 63% of every sale, which does not go towards making up the advance. The math here gets ridiculous pretty quickly when you start to think about it. These record label deals are basically out and out scams. In a traditional loan, you invest the money and pay back out of your proceeds. But a record label deal is nothing like that at all. They make you a "loan" and then take the first 63% of any dollar you make, get to automatically increase the size of the "loan" by simply adding in all sorts of crazy expenses (did the exec bring in pizza at the recording session? that gets added on), and then tries to get the loan repaid out of what meager pittance they've left for you.

Oh, and after all of that, the record label still owns the copyrights. That's one of the most lopsided business deals ever.

So think of that the next time the RIAA or some major record label exec (or politician) suggests that protecting the record labels is somehow in the musicians' best interests. And then, take a look at the models that some musicians have adopted by going around the major label system. They may not gross as much without the major record label marketing push behind them, but they're netting a whole lot more, and as any business person will tell you (except if that business person is a major label A&R guy trying to sign you to a deal), the net amount is all that matters.

[New Kid In Town]

Travlnman - I understand what you are saying. However, JMO, but the Eagles made mega bucks from touring - they were one of the elite bands left touring. I know you are giving an example, but VIP tickets for the Eagles have not cost $200.00 in probably 20 years or more. VIP ticks for MSG went for $1,500.00 or more. VIP tickets for this festival go from $2,750.00 downward. I know they have high expenses but they also have a high profit. IMHO but comparing Courtney Love to the Eagles is not the same thing. Bernie has stated on numerous occasions he has made a very good income from the sale of the GH Vol.1 - it is the best selling album in the 20th century in the US.
When the Eagles made LROE, they produced it themselves, sold it via their company and the deal with Walmart, and released it on their own record label. While this may have cost them up front, the money they made in the long was huge. It sold at least 6 million copies worldwide. Since they owned the record label, they received all those profits.
I realize the days of making tons of money via record sales ended long ago. However, the Eagles are different than most groups. Don, Glenn and Irving came up with a smart and unique way to make sure most of the profit went to them when they made LROE.

I would assume this of course does not apply to most artists. I am not crying any tears for Courtney Love over how much money she makes. All those major acts make good money.

[travlnman2]

NEW Kid SHE STILL MAKES BIG BIG MONEY. Basically the same ampunt.

[Dawn]

Whoa Nellie ... back that horse up ....

During the interview where he made this announcement Don Henley could have disclosed the identities of the new people added to the bands' lineup but he did not. This was NOT an oversight. It was intentional. Hell, I'll even say manipulative.

As for Deacon Frey, he is the innocent in this circus.

See post 349

[sodascouts]

Questioning someone's opinion is not criticising them.


That's true. What category does your comment below fall under?


Have you ever been part of a forum where the owner actually wants the band to be inactive or decides that as reality is not to their liking they will declare themselves ruler of an alternative reality where they can discard what the actual band does and dictate the relevant history of the band themselves...

[sodascouts]

The Eagles are such horrible people for not dedicating every single one of their remaining breaths to Glenn (whom I absolutely love, by the way), even though Don, Joe and Glenn have talked about him at every public performance and in every interview since his death while also performing a song in his memory at every live show.

Deacon Frey has possibly chosen to remember his father by performing with the band, which somehow makes the band even more evil. And that is fine to point out as long as you make perfectly clear your hatred doesn't reflect in any way on Deacon. It's laughable.

Some of you are absolutely determined to turn on this band and this group of people for the way they've chosen to live their lives, even though it's basically consistent with all of their previous years, save for one when they were unsure if they would continue. It's music. It's entertainment. And for the Eagles, it's work. They want to do it, and they want to get paid for it.

Get over it.

Maybe I missed something, but where did anyone say that "The Eagles are such horrible people for not dedicating every single one of their remaining breaths to Glenn" and call the band "evil"? There was one guy about a month ago who quoted the Bible... that's about as close as you get to that.

Also, being extremely disappointed in the band and strongly disapproving of their choices doesn't mean we "hate" them. It's true I believe the band has lost its legitimacy as the "Eagles" and the remaining members have lost a great deal of my respect, but I'll always love the band they used to be. I don't wish ill on any of them.

I realize you're upset at people who aren't happy with the band's decision to continue without Glenn, but maybe sit back a bit and take a deep breath before lashing out. This is, after all, only your fifth post here. Perhaps it's a bit early to make such harsh judgments about people when you have not interacted with any of us outside of this very heated thread.

Belatedly... welcome to the forum!

[Dawn]

The talent budget for these mega concerts and festivals is HUGE. I would imagine Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles probably got the same performance guarantee as co-headliners.

FYI

Reportedly, the iconic and legendary band Led Zeppelin was offered $14 million to reunite and perform at last year's Desert Trip.

One member was all for it. The other said no.

Led Zeppelin did not perform.

The no guy won.

[sodascouts]

Delilah - I made the comment about Glenn being the leader in response to numerous comments made by other people. I agree with you in that there was a huge struggle between Glenn and Don in the late 70's over who would be the leader. This was one of the numerous reason why they broke up in 1980.

After they resumed in 1994 for HFO, I think there was still a struggle before they reach some kind of compromise. Somewhere along the way Glenn became the leader. However, I do not believe anything got done without Don's approval. I agree that the struggle between the two ebbed and flowed and it sounded like it continued during the making of LROE.

Chaim - I am not saying that Don, Joe and Tim should not sing together. However, I personally feel calling themselves "Eagles" without one of the two founding member negatively affects the legacy of the band. Nothing more and nothing less.

I know since 1994 that the Eagles have been all about money when it comes to ticket prices. Back than when I saw them I paid $75.00 - which was a lot of money. My friends thought I was crazy to pay that much money. I know they can charge what they want. However, when they charged $1,500.00 downward for tickets for the HOTE Tour they priced themselves out of many, many fans who would have loved to see them. Same thing with the Wast/West Festival, $2,750.00 on down is in MHO, just a crazy amount of money. The festival last year was three days and cost less then this and one day passes were sold.

I never said I hated Don, Tim and Joe. I am just disappointed that they could not be honest up front about this. This festival did not happen over night, it took months to plan. I feel it is wrong to charge those prices and not say who the "guests" are. Just my opinion.
I'm sorry but this is not accurate AT ALL. We don't know what Frey and Henley's problems with each other were because they never actually said what they were. All we have is other people's opinions.

While I'm at it, I have other points and observations:

Number one, Frey was always the leader of the band from the inception. That doesn't mean that everyone else was unimportant or had no voice, but it was his idea to build a band based on Geffin's advice to do so. Henley did not have the temperament or the inclination to be the leader by his own admission.

Number two, the Eagles have always been all about business. Since when is that a problem? Oh, yeah, the minute they did something you guys didn't want them to.

Number three, some of you act like you are actually in the know but the truth is you really don't know any more than the rest of us. Are you mental? It's all speculation. When's the last time you an Eagle confided in you what their plans and motivations were? Let's try and get some perspective here. You really don't know these people or what kind of people they actually are. You only see what they let you see. Take a pill, for chrissakes.

Number four, what has happened to FACTS on this board? It used to be that was what was encouraged. How about netiquette? Character assassination used to be reserved for Felder only. Now anyone can any anything about anyone except Frey.

In my opinion, this is slowly killing this board and all of the fun in it. It is making enemies out of people who are supposed to be united in their for the love of one thing. Soda, I am an Eagles fan and I'd rather see you shut this thing down than have all this hate continue. Now I am going to a less hateful thread.

Edited to add: Only the first part of my post (regarding Frey/Henley leadership) was directed to NKIT. The rest in general.

It is indeed disheartening to see so many people characterize those who are not keen on the "new Eagles" as people who have psychological problems or at the very least have major character flaws.

It's as if you are either gung-ho about the Eagles continuing without Glenn, or you are a "fanatic", "mental", full of "hatred"; etc.

You know, it is possible for two normal, psychologically stable, non-hateful people to hold opposing positions about the legitimacy of a rock band continuing without its co-founder.

[travlnman2]

This is exactly how Felder, Randy and Bernie fans felt when they were excluded from the KCH

[sodascouts]

Oh, goodness gracious, isn't this thread controversial enough without bringing that up, too?!

[New Kid In Town]

Redstorm - I have never said that Glenn was not the leader of the band. Earlier in this thread I was criticized for stating this. I was concurring with you regarding the struggle between Don and Glenn over leadership of the band in the 1970's. I KNOW he founded the group, came up with the idea of the group and helped recruit Bernie and Randy. I never denied or questioned this. I am not mental and do not presume or claim to know what Don, Joe, or Tim are thinking - NOBODY DOES.
I find it very sad that you and others make nasty comments about me and you do not even know me.

It upsets me that this is what this board has become. I did not join for this reason. I joined to be able to discus our favorite band and enjoy the stories people post regarding their experiences at concerts, etc.

I have never denied the Eagles were all about business. That is in fact one of the big criticisms against them over the years. I do not hold theis against them. However, I have complained about the ridiculous prices for concerts tickets since HFO. I am not the only one regarding this. There are numerous people on this board who have stated they would have loved to see the guys but could not afford the ticket prices.

I have never, nor would I ever criticize Deacon Frey. I lost my father in my early 30's While this is not as young as him, I know the pain and heartache it brings. I believe he is the innocent one in all of this.

[New Kid In Town]

redstorm - My apologies as I should have stated most of the post was towards comments made by other people. It has been well documented regarding the struggle over leadership between Don and Glenn in the 1970's, and been confirmed this was one of that many reason for the break up of the band in 1980.
Please do not patronize me about reading is fundamental - I can read quite well thank you. I do not appreciate your nasty comment about the mental reference either.

[Freypower]

I don't think the reason for playing shows has changed since Glenn died. If it's a "money grubbing affair" now, it's been a "money grubbing affair" at least sinceHFO. I guess that they're just not ready to walk away from a band they've been a part of for most of their adult lives.

I don't see how keeping the special guests under wraps drives up ticket sales. Surely anybody who cares will be waiting for the guests to be announced before purchasing their ticket. I assume that people are buying tickets on the strength of the bands history and integrity.

Even solo, Don, Joe and Tim put on a good show so it's difficult to imagine them playing a disappointing show with their talents merged. I expect the majority of fans will say they got their money's worth and I'll still support the band, probably not so enthusiastically though, if the general opinion was that the two shows were below par.

Questioning someone's opinion is not criticising them.

I wish Deacon all the best but I'm not keen on nepotism.

It could be the greatest show of all time but it cannot be anything other than disappointing with such a large part of what made the band great missing. Nothing they can do can make up for his absence & that includes drafting his son. However the 'nepotism' comment is bizarre. It implies that he will be there entirely based on his surname. This is what I meant when I stated earlier that he will be under a great deal of (I would say unnecessary) pressure.

The poeple who insist that they are 'all about business' are missing the point that common decency & respect would have on this occasion told them to forget all that and leave the band as it was.

[sodascouts]

That was not my point, Soda. I was not specifically referring to the people who are unhappy with the resumption, but everyone who is going overboard with all the ugliness. It just continues on and on, and it is destructive.

Ah, yes, but criteria for what constitutes "going overboard" varies greatly from person to person... so you can bet posts addressed "in general" to "some of you" are going to be intrepreted pretty broadly.

I agree that ugliness is destructive, certainly, in these cases.

I also agree that when a thread is upsetting to you, it is best to step away from it.

[WalshFan88]

Maybe I missed something, but where did anyone say that "The Eagles are such horrible people for not dedicating every single one of their remaining breaths to Glenn" and call the band "evil"? There was one guy about a month ago who quoted the Bible... that's about as close as you get to that.

Also, being extremely disappointed in the band and strongly disapproving of their choices doesn't mean we "hate" them. It's true I believe the band has lost its legitimacy as the "Eagles" and the remaining members have lost a great deal of my respect, but I'll always love the band they used to be. I don't wish ill on any of them.

I realize you're upset at people who aren't happy with the band's decision to continue without Glenn, but maybe sit back a bit and take a deep breath before lashing out. This is, after all, only your fifth post here. Perhaps it's a bit early to make such harsh judgments about people when you have not interacted with any of us outside of this very heated thread.

Belatedly... welcome to the forum!


Well said.

[New Kid In Town]

Reststorm - I have never seen the movie "Wayne's World" - not my kind of movie. Therefore, I missed the reference related to the film. In regards to the struggles between Don and Glenn in the late 1970's, the book "To The Limit" goes deeply into the struggle as does a couple other books. Don was interviewed for this book for the updated printing as was Jackson, Joe Walsh, JD, friends of the group and Eagles roadies who discussed it at length. I know it has been pointed out regarding glaring errors made by Eliot regarding family info, etc. However I tend to believe the info given by those who knew them best regarding the struggle for control by Don and Glenn. From statements made not only in this book but in press interviews later given by Don, the struggle continued during the HFO Tour and appeared to ebb and flow. Somewhere along the line Glenn regained control and was the acknowledge leader. However, I would think nothing ever got past Don(or Irving) without their ok. I hope this clears up my statements regarding this.

In regards to my other comments which were not intended for you, I am not attacking members of the band. I did state that this resumption tour/festival has, in my opinion, tarnished the legacy of the Eagles. I found it very hard that they can continue without the founding member of the band who was there since it's inception. I feel I have just as much a right to say this as people who feel that there is nothing wrong with them continuing as the "Eagles". This is simply my opinion. In reference to people stating hateful comments about the group - I have never stated this. I always have and always will love all the Eagles. They have been my favorite group since the 1970's. Don, Joe and Tim are extremely talented musician. I have seen Don in the past and he puts won a wonderful show. Unfortunately I have never had the pleasure of seeing Joe and Tim.
In my opinion, Don, Tim and Joe can tour together and not bill themselves as the Eagles. They would have not trouble selling tickets. Again, it is just my opinion, but I feel this tarnishes the legacy of the band. Don is now the keeper of this legacy.

This is just my opinion and not intended towards anyone in particular. I believe the ticket prices for this event are outrageous. They are more expensive than last years shows, which was three days and offered daily passes. These high prices keep many fans who want to see them from being unable to do. Hundreds of people have made such statements on FB.

[EagleInKansas]

Thanks for the welcome, Soda. I appreciate your criticism of my "newness" to the forum, but I have read it for many years and haven't felt compelled to post. My comfort level in conveying familiarity comes from the fact that I am a lifelong, die-hard fan of this band. I have dedicated a lot of time, energy and money to it, along with constant love. I communicate from a place of feeling as if you're all my people, even if none of you know who I am, and that I can say what I feel.

I'm just baffled by the feeling from so many that nothing the remaining members do, outside of stopping altogether, is good enough. Glenn's death hurt a lot of people, myself included, and this band will never be the same. The band, and its members, have consistently acknowledged his indispensable leadership. They have performed music dedicated to him, publicly and privately, for audiences big and small. They have gone out of their way to tell the truth that he can never be replaced. They have so clearly helped Glenn's survivors through an impossibly difficult experience.

They have also decided, contrary to previous statements, to continue with what's left. In keeping with the love for Glenn, they have discussed his irreplacability and received the go ahead from his family. One family member, it appears, may approve so strongly that he has opted to participate. Glenn will not be forgotten, ever, by the band or its true fans. I believe I am one of those.

So I understand an unwillingness from many to go along with the Eagles in current form. It's a struggle for me, too, believe it or not. I don't understand the harshness in expressing that emotion. I don't understand the lack of acceptance, of turning away from a group of people who, on whatever level, still carry enough love for one another to perform together. Who can survive and perhaps thrive because their former leader, Glenn Frey, nurtured his creation to become bigger than life, greater than the sum of its parts.

In that way, whether the band officially says it or not, anything the remaining Eagles do together will be a celebration of Glenn. Even their solo performances are celebrations of Glenn because none of them would have reached such heights without his influence.

I'm going to Los Angeles and I expect to be overcome by emotion. That won't change regardless of how much money the Eagles are making from these two shows. It is personal to me, and if I believe that Glenn is being celebrated and if I feel it within me, then he is. This is a different Eagles, but they will always be Glenn's Eagles.

[Freypower]

Not if Frey wanted them to continue on and you don't know that he didn't.

Here's a hypothetical for you: What if it came out that Frey told them to keep going or to continue on with Deacon? This easily could have happened. We don't know the particulars. We don't know enough to form such strong resentments towards the ones who are left.

I don't know how to answer that. If it turns out that was the case, then they are honouring Glenn's wishes. But that doesn't mean I have to approve of it because it's what Glenn wanted. I am not Glenn or his family; I am just a fan who thinks without Glenn they are no longer a band. I don't agree that the entity 'Eagles' transcends the absence of either him or Don Henley. He sang & co-wrote too many of their songs for that to be the case. Because he was my favourite, I cannot envisage Henley, Walsh & Schmit performing on stage, calling themselves 'Eagles' and him not there. It breaks my heart.

What Glenn wanted was not always right, in my view. 'I sang less. We had Don Henley' wasn't right. He pushed himself into the background far too often. I guess it wouldn't surprise me that much if at the end he thought they could succeed without him. But that doesn't make it RIGHT. Now this is a contentious opinion; I am well aware of that.

It seems to me, cynic that I am, that the jury is still out on whether these shows will celebrate Glenn in any way. I say once more that if a proper tirbute show, billed as such, had been arranged, then I would not feel half the 'resentment' that I do feel. I am with others in being appalled by the clumsy & insensitive way this has been put together. That is why the impression is that it is about money, not celebration, and the more pro-Remnants people push the 'business' aspect the more alienated I become.

[chaim]

The talent budget for these mega concerts and festivals is HUGE. I would imagine Fleetwood Mac and the Eagles probably got the same performance guarantee as co-headliners.

FYI

Reportedly, the iconic and legendary band Led Zeppelin was offered $14 million to reunite and perform at last year's Desert Trip.

One member was all for it. The other said no.

Led Zeppelin did not perform.

The no guy won.

I'm probably nitpicking, but this make it looks like there are two Zeppelin members still alive. There are three.

[Dawn]

I'm probably nitpicking, but this make it looks like there are two Zeppelin members still alive. There are three.

Yes of course but pursuant to Desert Trip 2016 the news report I'm referring to focused only on two perhaps because it's unknown what the 3rd member wanted or didn't want. Personally I'm not surprised. If it was about money the band would have reformed/reunited long ago.

[WalshFan88]

I'd say it was probably Page all for it and Plant saying no...no offense to Robert but his solo shows and material just doesn't do it for me and certainly not the whole bluegrass thing he did with AK. I wish he'd do it again with Page, Jones, and Jason Bonham. I think it would be a great show. Even another Page/Plant show. Again, another case where I would prefer a band continue but with the guys I just don't feel that way. I feel like as good as John Bonham was, he wasn't as irreplaceable as say Plant or Page. I feel Frey and Henley were/are the Plant/Page of the Eagles. I wouldn't go see them without one of them alive or gone. Just wouldn't feel right. Then again, I go see shows where the frontman isn't original. So it really is a case-by-case deal with me.

[chaim]

I'd say it was probably Page all for it and Plant saying no...no offense to Robert but his solo shows and material just doesn't do it for me and certainly not the whole bluegrass thing he did with AK. I wish he'd do it again with Page, Jones, and Jason Bonham. I think it would be a great show. Even another Page/Plant show. Again, another case where I would prefer a band continue but with the guys I just don't feel that way. I feel like as good as John Bonham was, he wasn't as irreplaceable as say Plant or Page. I feel Frey and Henley were/are the Plant/Page of the Eagles. I wouldn't go see them without one of them alive or gone. Just wouldn't feel right. Then again, I go see shows where the frontman isn't original. So it really is a case-by-case deal with me.

It's "case-by-case" for me too. Personally I'd have no interest in Led Zeppelin if there was no John Paul Jones. It's not just an image thing ("must see the original guys"), but IMO Jones has always been their "secret weapon" musically. An unbelievable musician/player/arranger. Also my favorite Zeppeling song (No Quarter) is mainly his.

[New Kid In Town]

Redstorm - Thank You for offer the olive branch. - it is greatly appreciated. I guess we all are too emotional about this...... and for this I apologize.

Frey Power - I agree with pretty much everything you said. I have no idea, nor does anyone else here, know what Glenn and his family wanted. This whole festival with the announcement could have been handled very differently. Days and days and days of speculation and than Don's comment of something along the lines of " So I'm told". I think it just left a bad taste in some people mouth so to speak. IMHO, there should have been some kind of official statement regarding their participation with perhaps an acknowledgement that it had the Frey families blessing.
FP - I agree with you regarding Glenn - I think he hurt himself in regards to the numerous statements since the 80's regarding his participation/role in the Eagles as both a singer/songwriter when he lavished nothing but praise on Don(which was true) while downplaying his accomplishments. I have seen many statement on other fan sites and you tube stating he was the least talented of the group. I feel the group lost something when Don took over the role as lead singer. One of the things I loved about the group was that they had Don, Glenn, and Randy who sang beautifully and added so much with three lead vocalists.

**NOTE - I was on Amazon the other day to check on an order of mine when I saw you can get "To The Limit" in Kindle. However, like I said, it was sloppy research, with numerous mistakes and some of it should be taken with a grain of salt. Eliot does not have too much of anything nice to say about Glenn. As a matter of fact, when Don gave that interview with him in I believe 2007 for the updated version of the book, he made some really mean, snide and nasty comments about Glenn too. IMHO, I believe this was one of the main reasons he tried to stop publication of the book - and not his arrest in 1980. You had to really search for that in the book. Of course until Eliot got pissed over Don's actions and he(Eliot) then went into detail regarding the whole incident. I think this may have been around when LROE was going on and Don and Glenn were at there "he loves me not" phase.
***I forgot to add that I feel much of Glenn and Don's arguing over control in the 70's was inducted by their heavy Cocaine use. Which Don F. stated in his book.

[maryc2130]

Thanks for the welcome, Soda. I appreciate your criticism of my "newness" to the forum, but I have read it for many years and haven't felt compelled to post. My comfort level in conveying familiarity comes from the fact that I am a lifelong, die-hard fan of this band. I have dedicated a lot of time, energy and money to it, along with constant love. I communicate from a place of feeling as if you're all my people, even if none of you know who I am, and that I can say what I feel.

I'm just baffled by the feeling from so many that nothing the remaining members do, outside of stopping altogether, is good enough. Glenn's death hurt a lot of people, myself included, and this band will never be the same. The band, and its members, have consistently acknowledged his indispensable leadership. They have performed music dedicated to him, publicly and privately, for audiences big and small. They have gone out of their way to tell the truth that he can never be replaced. They have so clearly helped Glenn's survivors through an impossibly difficult experience.

They have also decided, contrary to previous statements, to continue with what's left. In keeping with the love for Glenn, they have discussed his irreplacability and received the go ahead from his family. One family member, it appears, may approve so strongly that he has opted to participate. Glenn will not be forgotten, ever, by the band or its true fans. I believe I am one of those.

So I understand an unwillingness from many to go along with the Eagles in current form. It's a struggle for me, too, believe it or not. I don't understand the harshness in expressing that emotion. I don't understand the lack of acceptance, of turning away from a group of people who, on whatever level, still carry enough love for one another to perform together. Who can survive and perhaps thrive because their former leader, Glenn Frey, nurtured his creation to become bigger than life, greater than the sum of its parts.

In that way, whether the band officially says it or not, anything the remaining Eagles do together will be a celebration of Glenn. Even their solo performances are celebrations of Glenn because none of them would have reached such heights without his influence.

I'm going to Los Angeles and I expect to be overcome by emotion. That won't change regardless of how much money the Eagles are making from these two shows. It is personal to me, and if I believe that Glenn is being celebrated and if I feel it within me, then he is. This is a different Eagles, but they will always be Glenn's Eagles.

Very well said, and it pretty much sums up how I feel (except for the fact of being new to posting or having my posts misinterpreted). But it's definitely how I feel about the band. I won't be going to either of the festivals, but mostly of the price tag, and because I don't like that kind of a concert. If they announce more shows that are better-priced and near me geographically, I will definitely go to see them. It will be sad, yes, but I will go.

I just wanted to add my thoughts on a tribute concert. I think it would have been nice for them to do one for the fans' benefit, but I have my doubts as to whether they will and I'm okay with that. They chose to honor Glenn in their own way, behind closed doors. I believe that they probably needed a way to honor him where they weren't watched by the public. For performers constantly in the public eye, I think they value their privacy, and that would hold especially true when grieving. I would hope that they would honor Glenn in some way in the upcoming concerts, and I fully expect that they will. I would love to see a public tribute concert, but I am fine with not having one. Everyone grieves in their own way.

[Dawn]

I'd say it was probably Page all for it and Plant saying no... .

And you'd probably be right ... Good call WF88

I love LZ but would rather see them stay retired than reunite for no better reason than to cash out because that's what it would be given "I'm Not a Jukebox" Robert Plant's long held sentiments.

A few years ago I was lucky to see a 50th anniversary Beach Boys concert with David Marks, Mike Love, Al Jardine and Bruce. Seeing them all together with Brian playing special tribute to his beloved brothers and original bandmates Carl and Dennis was incredibly moving. After the 50th Anniversary tour was over it became clear Brian would not be joining Mike Love's Beach Boys band but rather would have to go it alone as Brian Wilson. Hard as it may have been to accept -I felt it was the right thing to do and I still feel that way. In fact, it's turned out to be an amazing and very successful journey for Brian! His band is absolutely first rate and together they have gotten rave reviews for the Smile and current Pet Sounds tours. I don't hate Mike Love I just hate what happened and Thank God for Brian Wilson.

[UndertheWire]

I just watched an interview with Timothy recorded in February and I'm convinced that he believed the band was done at that time.

[Dawn]

I just watched an interview with Timothy recorded in February and I'm convinced that he believed the band was done at that time.

Thanks UTW but can you be more specific?

[UndertheWire]

I'll try to transcribe tomorrow. He wasn't cagey. Essentially that the band was done and you couldn't have the Eagles without both Glenn and Don. Very matter of fact with nothing that could be misinterpreted.

[Freypower]

Redstorm - Thank You for offer the olive branch. - it is greatly appreciated. I guess we all are too emotional about this...... and for this I apologize.

Frey Power - I agree with pretty much everything you said. I have no idea, nor does anyone else here, know what Glenn and his family wanted. This whole festival with the announcement could have been handled very differently. Days and days and days of speculation and than Don's comment of something along the lines of " So I'm told". I think it just left a bad taste in some people mouth so to speak. IMHO, there should have been some kind of official statement regarding their participation with perhaps an acknowledgement that it had the Frey families blessing.
FP - I agree with you regarding Glenn - I think he hurt himself in regards to the numerous statements since the 80's regarding his participation/role in the Eagles as both a singer/songwriter when he lavished nothing but praise on Don(which was true) while downplaying his accomplishments. I have seen many statement on other fan sites and you tube stating he was the least talented of the group. I feel the group lost something when Don took over the role as lead singer. One of the things I loved about the group was that they had Don, Glenn, and Randy who sang beautifully and added so much with three lead vocalists.

**NOTE - I was on Amazon the other day to check on an order of mine when I saw you can get "To The Limit" in Kindle. However, like I said, it was sloppy research, with numerous mistakes and some of it should be taken with a grain of salt. Eliot does not have too much of anything nice to say about Glenn. As a matter of fact, when Don gave that interview with him in I believe 2007 for the updated version of the book, he made some really mean, snide and nasty comments about Glenn too. IMHO, I believe this was one of the main reasons he tried to stop publication of the book - and not his arrest in 1980. You had to really search for that in the book. Of course until Eliot got pissed over Don's actions and he(Eliot) then went into detail regarding the whole incident. I think this may have been around when LROE was going on and Don and Glenn were at there "he loves me not" phase.
***I forgot to add that I feel much of Glenn and Don's arguing over control in the 70's was inducted by their heavy Cocaine use. Which Don F. stated in his book.

I agree with your entire post except for this part. I never accepted that Henley became 'lead singer'. He & Glenn were co lead singers, even if Glenn only sang one song per album eventually (he remedied that with LROOE). The songs he did sing on those last albums were Number One hits & Grammy award winners.

[Freypower]

Very well said, and it pretty much sums up how I feel (except for the fact of being new to posting or having my posts misinterpreted). But it's definitely how I feel about the band. I won't be going to either of the festivals, but mostly of the price tag, and because I don't like that kind of a concert. If they announce more shows that are better-priced and near me geographically, I will definitely go to see them. It will be sad, yes, but I will go.

I just wanted to add my thoughts on a tribute concert. I think it would have been nice for them to do one for the fans' benefit, but I have my doubts as to whether they will and I'm okay with that. They chose to honor Glenn in their own way, behind closed doors. I believe that they probably needed a way to honor him where they weren't watched by the public. For performers constantly in the public eye, I think they value their privacy, and that would hold especially true when grieving. I would hope that they would honor Glenn in some way in the upcoming concerts, and I fully expect that they will. I would love to see a public tribute concert, but I am fine with not having one. Everyone grieves in their own way.

This is all very well. Did they not think the fans deserved SOMETHING? They had their private tribute.

[Dawn]

I'll try to transcribe tomorrow. He wasn't cagey. Essentially that the band was done and you couldn't have the Eagles without both Glenn and Don. Very matter of fact with nothing that could be misinterpreted.

Thanks UTW please don't go to any trouble on my behalf but this is very intriguing given the apparent change of heart.

[Dawn]

This is all very well. Did they not think the fans deserved SOMETHING? They had their private tribute.

Apparently not.

[Delilah]

Number one, Frey was always the leader of the band from the inception. That doesn't mean that everyone else was unimportant or had no voice, but it was his idea to build a band based on Geffin's advice to do so. Henley did not have the temperament or the inclination to be the leader by his own admission.





I have not seen evidence of that. Please provide a source. I have heard people say that Henley was a perfectionist, that Frey was tired of all the strife in the band, that both were tired and on cocaine, which made the problems 100 times worse. I have never read or heard that they fought over the leadership of the band.


I'd like to address this but I prefer to start a new thread rather than derail this one by going OT.

[EagleInKansas]

How in the world is a performance (probably) with Deacon Frey playing with his dad's former bandmates NOT a tribute to Glenn? And how is it not for the fans? There are tickets available! No one is stopping you from going! Being angry only causes you to miss out. You're asking for the exact thing that they're doing, only with some sort of banner behind them that says "Glenn Frey Tribute." I don't get it. They literally can not perform together without it being a tribute, because they wouldn't be a band without Glenn. An official Glenn Frey tribute would look exactly like what's about to happen. Participate or don't, but don't fall back on a totally unfounded, unsubstantiated idea that they're dissing Glenn.

[WalshFan88]

I think, from what I've heard from Deacon that his voice is more like Henley's....I'm still not happy about them continuing but I do wonder what it his voice will be like on a GF vocal. He's obviously talented. Maybe hence why there will be another person.

[Freypower]

How in the world is a performance (probably) with Deacon Frey playing with his dad's former bandmates NOT a tribute to Glenn? And how is it not for the fans? There are tickets available! No one is stopping you from going! Being angry only causes you to miss out. You're asking for the exact thing that they're doing, only with some sort of banner behind them that says "Glenn Frey Tribute." I don't get it. They literally can not perform together without it being a tribute, because they wouldn't be a band without Glenn. An official Glenn Frey tribute would look exactly like what's about to happen. Participate or don't, but don't fall back on a totally unfounded, unsubstantiated idea that they're dissing Glenn.


It is a festival show where they will be performing with other acts. There will be a lot of people there who won't be there just to see them. The location & the size of the event in itself prevents this from being regarded as a tribute show. It is not billed as such.

I don't know where you get the idea that I or others think the survivors are 'dissing' Glenn. We just think they have not done this properly, and in my case thiink it should not have been done at all.

'No one is stopping you from going'. This is an international board. Even if I had any interest in this, my location rather prevents me from going. Of course anyone in the US can go. Who said they couldn't?

I am sorry but I am tired of going round & round over this. You are entitled to your views, I am entitled to mine. I am not going to change my views on this scenario so I wll stop posting.

[TW]

It is a festival show where they will be performing with other acts. There will be a lot of people there who won't be there just to see them. The location & the size of the event in itself prevents this from being regarded as a tribute show. It is not billed as such.

Exactly my thoughts when people keep bringing up the fact that this 'could be' a tribute event.

[EagleInKansas]

Yeah, I think I give up, too. What is obvious to me is being missed by others, and I'm only driving myself crazy.

[Dawn]

This is most definitely NOT a Glenn Frey tribute concert.

It is a bicoastal 6 BAND classic rock festival headlined by the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac.

[Dawn]

How in the world is a performance (probably) with Deacon Frey playing with his dad's former bandmates NOT a tribute to Glenn? And how is it not for the fans? There are tickets available! No one is stopping you from going! Being angry only causes you to miss out. You're asking for the exact thing that they're doing, only with some sort of banner behind them that says "Glenn Frey Tribute." I don't get it. They literally can not perform together without it being a tribute, because they wouldn't be a band without Glenn. An official Glenn Frey tribute would look exactly like what's about to happen. Participate or don't, but don't fall back on a totally unfounded, unsubstantiated idea that they're dissing Glenn.

Of course they will pay tribute to Glenn Frey in some way, shape or form. As for not being a band without Glenn Frey - they are performing as the Eagles one of 6 "legendary bands" ...

[Funk 50]

I just watched an interview with Timothy recorded in February and I'm convinced that he believed the band was done at that time.

I just saw the interview on Vintage TV's Friday Rock Show. Presenter, Nicky Horne and Tim discussed the end of the Eagles. There's not much doubt that they both thought the Eagles were over when the interview took place. It sounded uncomfortably dated.

Nicky's a big Eagles fan, he did the world exclusive, in depth interviews when Long Road Out Of Eden was released and many more before it. I'm sure he now knows about the Classic East / West shows so I'm surprised he didn't update the program before it was broadcast.

I believe that when this interview was conducted in February, Tim wasn't aware of the Classic East / West concert or he's an extremely good liar.

Kinda goes against the band meeting every January doesn't it.

I've been paying attention to their individual plans for the last six months. They still don't plan too far in advance so they were always open to some hastily planned Eagles project. HFO started with a hastily put together, live TV Concert Special. Eagles 3.0 starts with a sudden headlining appearance at a megabucks Superstar Rock Concert. Irving's probably already lining up the next Eagles project.

The Glenn Frey tributes will have to stop sometime. Classic East / West could be the last.

[Annoying Twit]

I leave this thread for a bit and then come back again. I see that there are pages and pages of discussion here.

As an overview of discussion, I do think that things here go off on their own path that ignores reality. That people will say things and then others will agree and things head off in various directions. That's why I've tried to do things such as check whether or not people are (e.g.) concerned about mystery guests, including at tributed. Apparently having mystery guests is awful here, but the outside world does not appear to agree with this view.

Just some comments from me.

I have used the term 'remnants of Eagles' before, as I thought at the time that it acknowledged that a big chunk of what was Eagles has gone. But, due to the negative connotations it has acquired, I won't use it again. 'The remaining Eagles' works better in this context, I believe.

I would have liked to see a 'Concert for George' style tribute. Even if that doesn't happen, I don't think that's terrible. Just not as good as it could have been. I say with confidence that there will be some tribute at the concert. It has been said here that the Glenn tributes must stop eventually, but I expect that no matter how Eagles play again, there will always be a tribute to Glenn. I can't imagine that not happening.

It's also unfair to suggest that there hasn't been a tribute. There have been several tributes already, both public and private, both individual and group. This upcoming concert will give Eagles another opportunity to pay tribute to Glenn. But, I still see posts suggesting that there hasn't been a tribute. This is unfair and inaccurate. And argument predicated on this false claim doesn't tell us anything.

I note that what Don said about the concert has been mainly ignored, in preference for posters own impressions of what is really going on and what people are really thinking. We don't know what people are thinking. We can guess, but we should realise that such guesses are ... guesses. When we get what Don said dismissed out of hand because someone believes that they know what is really going on, then we're in strange territory.

There have been repeated quotes of what Eagles members have said in the past. E.g. Tim's comments. Clearly something has changed, and we don't know why. That Glenn's family has been involved in the decision, or has at least been consulted suggests that it wasn't just money. After all, they have changed their opinion on whether they should continue? Why? Some will say that it's just the money, but given what was said I don't believe this. If Glenn's family asked them to continue, then this could explain what we have seen.

I'm not saying that this has happened; I'm just saying that it's possible.

The concerts, when they happen, will fill in more gaps. As I've said before, we'll see if Glenn is given a specific tribute during the concerts, or whether Eagles will just 'continue on', ignoring him. I believe that the former will happen.

[UndertheWire]

Thanks for the summary, AT. I think you have it about right.

I'm going to post my specualtion of the sequence of events.

1. Azoff has been thinking of putting together the Classic shows for some time. He has a connection with all the bands and the shows would have happened without any Eagles participation.
2. At some point between November 2017 and February 2017, Azoff approached Don Henley. There were two options - either Don would be involved as a solo artist (+ backing band) or with Joe and Timothy. Don agreed.
3. In February (after Timothy's visit to London), Timothy are Joe were approached and agreed to take part. They may have been led to believe it would be billed as "Eagles Family and Friends" - at least that's what Joe seemed to think.
4. At the start of March, word leaks out. When the poster comes out, it's just "Eagles". The brand is owned by Henley, possibly Glenn's estate and possibly Don Felder. but not Timothy or Joe. They could have refused to play under that name but that's not the way they work. Besides, they've probably already signed the contracts.

My supposition is that if Don, Joe and Timothy had been presented with the option of playing two big shows as Eagles, they would have balked, so Azoff took an incremental approach and each smaller decision seemed reasonable.

[chaim]

Yeah, I think I give up, too. What is obvious to me is being missed by others, and I'm only driving myself crazy.

A perfect quote for a T-shirt. I think I'll have one custom-made for me. :rofl:

[groupie2686]

I would have liked to see a 'Concert for George' style tribute. Even if that doesn't happen, I don't think that's terrible. Just not as good as it could have been. I say with confidence that there will be some tribute at the concert. It has been said here that the Glenn tributes must stop eventually, but I expect that no matter how Eagles play again, there will always be a tribute to Glenn. I can't imagine that not happening.

It's also unfair to suggest that there hasn't been a tribute. There have been several tributes already, both public and private, both individual and group. This upcoming concert will give Eagles another opportunity to pay tribute to Glenn. But, I still see posts suggesting that there hasn't been a tribute. This is unfair and inaccurate. And argument predicated on this false claim doesn't tell us anything.


I think what a lot of people want is something like the Concert for George, or the tribute concert the remaining members of Queen arranged for Freddie Mercury. Brian May said he did this so that fans could say goodbye and to give Freddie "the biggest send-off in history." It would be nice if the remaining Eagles did something similar. To give the fans some closure. While the remaining Eagles may be doing tributes to Glenn at their individual shows or at the upcoming performances, most of us don't get to see it.

[New Kid In Town]

UTW and AT - I think you both have pretty much hit the nail on the head as to what may have happened. I believe many people, including myself, think this whole think could and should have been handled differently. In my opinion, there should have been an official announcement coming from Irving stating the remaining Eagles would be performing as soon as the festival was announced with some kind of statement stating this was with the blessing of the Frey family. Instead there was no announcement, days and days of speculation and then finally Don's "So I'm Told" comment. By the time they gave the interview with iheart radio, almost a month had gone by. And, judging from FB comments I have seen, most people never heard the radio interview. This of course caused more speculation and criticism towards the band for being only about money. This all could have been avoided if Irving, as their manager, had handled it properly.

I do not think there is anyone who has any objection to Deacon playing with Don, Joe and Tim to honor his father. He will be playing with three people who care a great deal for him and will do everything possible to make sure he is comfortable.

[maryc2130]

A perfect quote for a T-shirt. I think I'll have one custom-made for me. :rofl:

That's so funny! Maybe we all can use one for this thread? I'm sure I can. ;)

[Annoying Twit]

I don't think anyone disagrees that this whole thing could have been handled better. The main difference in opinion seems to be whether this is slightly disappointing (at one extreme) or utterly appalling (at the other extreme), or somewhere in between.

[Funk 50]

I don't think anyone disagrees that this whole thing could have been handled better. The main difference in opinion seems to be whether this is slightly disappointing (at one extreme) or utterly appalling (at the other extreme), or somewhere in between.

Well if the Classic East / West shows are a sell out, or even just regarded as a huge success, I'd say it's all been handled rather well. Even the organisers of last year's desert shows, which I believe were the inspiration behind Irving's Classic East / West shows, will be a little jealous of an Azoff masterstroke. :shrug:

I believe Joe said he hoped to do more Facebook Q&As during his Tom Petty Tour. I hope somebody asks him about Deacon. I think he'd be able to clear up the conjecture. He may even give away who the Eagles' special guests are :smile:

[Annoying Twit]

Well if the Classic East / West shows are a sell out, or even just regarded as a huge success, I'd say it's all been handled rather well. Even the organisers of last year's desert shows, which I believe were the inspiration behind Irving's Classic East / West shows, will be a little jealous of an Azoff masterstroke. :shrug:

I believe Joe said he hoped to do more Facebook Q&As during his Tom Petty Tour. I hope somebody asks him about Deacon. I think he'd be able to clear up the conjecture. He may even give away who the Eagles' special guests are :smile:

OK. I'll then say that most people don't think it has been handled well.

For myself, personally speaking, I'll consider the concerts to be a success or not based on what happens at the concert. Not how many people attend.

[Delilah]

As an overview of discussion, I do think that things here go off on their own path that ignores reality. That people will say things and then others will agree and things head off in various directions.


Agree. Outside hardcore Eagles fandom some of these issues are seen much differently. If one were to go another music forum and post, especially repeatedly, that a band is not identifying mystery guests as some kind of conspiracy to drive up ticket prices, which makes the band deplorable and contemptible, I can only imagine the reaction.


I think what a lot of people want is something like the Concert for George, or the tribute concert the remaining members of Queen arranged for Freddie Mercury. Brian May said he did this so that fans could say goodbye and to give Freddie "the biggest send-off in history." It would be nice if the remaining Eagles did something similar. To give the fans some closure. While the remaining Eagles may be doing tributes to Glenn at their individual shows or at the upcoming performances, most of us don't get to see it.

I think it's possible that a tribute concert solely dedicated to Glenn can still happen. As was stated way earlier in this thread, Dan Fogelberg's tribute concert is taking place this summer, and he died in 2007.

Someone who could possibly take the reins is Don Was, who I believe was a close colleague of Glenn's. He was one of the musical directors for the beautiful Merle Haggard tribute concert earlier this month. It's also possible that some sort of tribute album can be released with different artists singing Glenn's songs. I don't believe it's too late for either a concert or an album.

[Dawn]

Actually, you forgot one:

Contemptible, deplorable and manipulative.

YW

[Annoying Twit]

I would think that Don Was could organise an excellent tribute concert.

However, we don't know what those closer to Glenn want or do not want. There may have been a reason why the main tribute to Glenn so far was a private event.

[Dawn]

Re: Desert Trip 2016 held October 7,8 and 9

Reserved seating and general admission passes went on sale May 9, 2016 at 10 am PST

Reportedly the festival was sold out in 3-5 hours.

6 legendary bands 3 day AND single day passes were available

[Freypower]

I just saw the interview on Vintage TV's Friday Rock Show. Presenter, Nicky Horne and Tim discussed the end of the Eagles. There's not much doubt that they both thought the Eagles were over when the interview took place. It sounded uncomfortably dated.

Nicky's a big Eagles fan, he did the world exclusive, in depth interviews when Long Road Out Of Eden was released and many more before it. I'm sure he now knows about the Classic East / West shows so I'm surprised he didn't update the program before it was broadcast.

I believe that when this interview was conducted in February, Tim wasn't aware of the Classic East / West concert or he's an extremely good liar.

Kinda goes against the band meeting every January doesn't it.

I've been paying attention to their individual plans for the last six months. They still don't plan too far in advance so they were always open to some hastily planned Eagles project. HFO started with a hastily put together, live TV Concert Special. Eagles 3.0 starts with a sudden headlining appearance at a megabucks Superstar Rock Concert. Irving's probably already lining up the next Eagles project.

The Glenn Frey tributes will have to stop sometime. Classic East / West could be the last.

Yeah, won't it be great when all that 'tribute' stuff is out of the way. What an inconvenience it has been. Really! :censored:

[GlennLover]

Got this in a Google alert, but wasn't sure which thread to post it in.

Mick Fleetwood giving his opinion & a wee bit of info on the Eagles' upcoming festival performances.

http://rock107.com/mick-fleetwood-says-the-eagles-surprise-plan-to-perform-without-the-late-glenn-frey-is-really-historical/

[Annoying Twit]

Got this in a Google alert, but wasn't sure which thread to post it in.

Mick Fleetwood giving his opinion & a wee bit of info on the Eagles' upcoming festival performances.

http://rock107.com/mick-fleetwood-says-the-eagles-surprise-plan-to-perform-without-the-late-glenn-frey-is-really-historical/

Thaks for the link. What Mick said isn't very informative. (Note: I'm not blaming you for that.) I suppose we'll find out what 'it' is when the concerts happen.

[Funk 50]

Thanks for sharing the link GlennLover


“I’ll leave the surprise of how they’re doing it to unfold in their own world at ,” " I think it’s really historical.”

Historical....

Gulp!

[New Kid In Town]

QUOTE: " I think it’s hugely profound for the Eagles that they’re coming out and doing these shows,” he tells ABC Radio. “And I’m really glad that the band is still existing and seemingly intent on continuing as a band.”

So what does Mick know that we the public do not know. Perhaps just speculation on his part about continuing as a band.
JUST WONDERING........ Please no flack.

[Delilah]

Got this in a Google alert, but wasn't sure which thread to post it in.

Mick Fleetwood giving his opinion & a wee bit of info on the Eagles' upcoming festival performances.

http://rock107.com/mick-fleetwood-says-the-eagles-surprise-plan-to-perform-without-the-late-glenn-frey-is-really-historical/

Thanks for the link, GlennLover. I agree, it's hard to know sometimes where to post stuff; this could probably go in the East/West Concert thread, too.

It does sound like Mick Fleetwood knows something; is it b/c he's close to the Eagles or it b/c FM's participation is part of the show? "Historical" sounds like Deacon, Bernie..."surprise" could be...:woah:...I probably shouldn't guess.

[buffyfan145]

Thanks GL for posting Mick's comments. It'll be interesting to find out what he means by that.

[Freypower]

He was asked to comment & did so. I wouldn't read anything into it except that the use of the word 'historical' (it should be 'historic', for a start) is completely over the top & inappropriate.

[EagleInKansas]

He was asked to comment & did so. I wouldn't read anything into it except that the use of the word 'historical' (it should be 'historic', for a start) is completely over the top & inappropriate.

Oh, so you know what it is? That's awesome! Please tell us.

[Freypower]

Oh, so you know what it is? That's awesome! Please tell us.

No, I do not.

Happy now?

[Annoying Twit]

I do feel that we should refrain from criticising things before we know what is going to happen.

On the balance of probabilities, I would expect that Mick's use of 'historical' will turn out to be hyperbole. But, until the concert actually happens and we know what they are going to do, we can't really comment.

'Historical' could mean that they're doing something of note that no-one has ever done before.

Or, it could refer to historical members/associates of Eagles.

Or, it could mean something else.

Or, it could mean nothing (much) at all.

We don't know.

[chaim]

I don't see how some very, very, very, very, very special people being there could (or should) be a bigger deal than Glenn not being there

[Annoying Twit]

I don't see how some very, very, very, very, very special people being there could (or should) be a bigger deal than Glenn not being there

Personally, I agree. Unless first contact with aliens is made and there are extraterrestrial guests, I can't imagine what could be a bigger deal than Glenn not being there. In the context of Eagles.

[chaim]

Personally, unless first contact with aliens is made and there are extraterrestrial guests, I can't imagine what could be a bigger deal than Glenn not being there. In the context of Eagles.

Note: I don't mean the above in an argumentative way. (It's hard to put tone of speech into a post, especially since I don't want to litter a post about Glenn with smilies.)

Haha, I'm just getting tired of this "mystery guest(s)" thing. I'm starting to get this vibe that not only should we not miss Glenn anymore, but we should even be excited about how special, fantastic and amazingly extraordinary it's going to be. I'm ok with the band continuing (although personally I could't care less about them now), but nothing can make it "historical" in a positive sense for me personally.

[Annoying Twit]

Haha, I'm just getting tired of this "mystery guest(s)" thing. I'm starting to get this vibe that not only should we not miss Glenn anymore, but we should even be excited about how special, fantastic and amazingly extraordinary it's going to be. I'm ok with the band continuing (although personally I could't care less about them now), but nothing can make it "historical" in a positive sense for me personally.

Note that I edited my post as I misread yours.

I don't get the vibe from anyone that we shouldn't miss Glenn. Well, maybe there's an exception or two.

I personally don't think it's about filling his shoes even. It's about doing something different. Though, what, I'm still not sure. We'll find out.

[Funk 50]

I don't see how some very, very, very, very, very special people being there could (or should) be a bigger deal than Glenn not being there

I kinda missed Randy when during the HFO tour but I still enjoyed several shows immensely. I even missed Felder a little but the alternative was no Eagles so I enjoyed those shows too. The large backing band and horn section were issues too, still good shows. Until I see it myself, I can't make a judgement about Glenn's absence.

Surely anybody who's really upset by Glenn's absence will not attend the concerts. Music fans seem to be more upset about the cost and lack of single day tickets that the validity of the line ups on the bill.

I'll be disappointed if somebody or something unannounced plays a major role in the show. That's unfair to the ticket buyers. Whatever it is, Mick Fleetwood approves. When did he become an Eagles fan?.

After almost 50 years on the road you've got to trust Don, Joe and Tim to put on a good show.

[chaim]

I kinda missed Randy when during the HFO tour but I still enjoyed several shows immensely. I even missed Felder a little but the alternative was no Eagles so I enjoyed those shows too. The large backing band and horn section were issues too, still good shows. Until I see it myself, I can't make a judgement about Glenn's absence.

Surely anybody who's really upset by Glenn's absence will not attend the concerts. Music fans seem to be more upset about the cost and lack of single day tickets that the validity of the line ups on the bill.

I'll be disappointed if somebody or something unannounced plays a major role in the show. That's unfair to the ticket buyers. Whatever it is, Mick Fleetwood approves. When did he become an Eagles fan?.

After almost 50 years on the road you've got to trust Don, Joe and Tim to put on a good show.

This has nothing to do with my point, but maybe I didn't put it clearly. I'm talking about the occasional "there's going to be some very very special people" hype, which IMO is going to far into the "merry" direction before they have even played a note in public. I'm not saying that the shows cannot be enjoyed. But since it's the first time they perform without Glenn I don't think it's appropriate at this point to rave about how excellent people they will have. Having said that I'm not sure if the band themselves have done this.

[Annoying Twit]

This has nothing to do with my point. I'm talking about the occasional "there's going to be some very very special people" hype, which IMO is going to far into the "merry" direction before they have even played a note in public. I'm not saying that the shows cannot be enjoyed. But since it's the first time they perform without Glenn I don't think it's appropriate at this point to rave about how excellent people they will have. Having said that I'm not sure if the band themselves have done this.

I don't think 'very special' necessarily means 'merry'. I would hope that the show will include a very signficant tribute to Glenn. The 'very special' to me implies someone or some people with a personal link to Glenn. Though, I don't know. But, that's the first thing that I think.

[chaim]

I don't think 'very special' necessarily means 'merry'. I would hope that the show will include a very signficant tribute to Glenn. The 'very special' to me implies someone or some people with a personal link to Glenn. Though, I don't know. But, that's the first thing that I think.

I think "very special" was my own words. Not sure if those exact words have been used. What I'm talking about is that (IMHO) there's too much emphasis on people other than the remaining band members. Their founding member died. I don't understand why these shows seem to be so much about the people who will be onstage with the actual band members. Don Henley said something like "I think people will approve when they see who will be performing with us", and he put it well. There's no need for extra hype or fuss.

[New Kid In Town]

Chaim and AT - I agree with pretty much very thing you have said. I think we all agree there is no way to replace Glenn.....
Among my main objectives are the way the announcement for the Eagles participation in this whole thing was handled, the ridiculous price for the tickets, the fact that there are no one day tickets like last years DT, and Irving's refusal to announce the "guests" playing with Don, Joe and Tim. I am well aware that many people here feel they are under no obligation to make any announcement about the guests. This is just my opinion.

I have no doubt that Don, Joe and Tim will put on a wonderful show. Their solo concerts have always been excellent. It seems Mick F. knows something we all do not..... To call it historic is over the top as far as I am concerned. The Eagles will never be the same without Glenn Frey.
In the iheart radio interview, Don kind of hinted(in my opinion) that the guests would be people with "special" connections to Glenn. We can take that for whatever it is worth.
Based on MF statement it sounds like they plan to play more dates after these shows are over. Just MY opinion based on his statement.

[Dawn]

Regarding the phantom new additions to the band I can't think of any person or thing that I'd personally consider "historic/al"

I'm open to suggestions though or should I say speculation since that's pretty much all one can do short of offering to buy a few vowels to advance the ball further down the field. :doh: