LAST RESORT mentioned and played on Bill Maher

[OutlawManNJ]

Bill Maher closed his show on HBO friday talking about EARTH DAY and how we should just leave Mars alone already and focus on Earth..then he quoted the Last Resort saying "In the greatest song written about the enviroment Don Henley wrote......" and then he quotes part of the song. Then the show ended with the song playing. Credits scrolled and thanking henley cindy frey and Irving Azoff.

[Delilah]

Interesting that the show thanked Cindy Frey. Did Maher need her permission to use the song, I wonder? I know how strict the band has been in the past about their music being used on TV (e.g. charging a very high fee).

[thelastresort]

Which bits of The Last Resort did he quote out of interest?

[shunlvswx]

Cause there is no more new frontier. We have got to make it here.

[MortSahlFan]

I would have liked to hear the word "Eagles"

As for permission, Maher and Henley are Democrats, so I'm not sure it was hard to get permission.

[Vector]

I would have liked to hear the word "Eagles"

As for permission, Maher and Henley are Democrats, so I'm not sure it was hard to get permission.

It is funny you bought up politics as it relates to the Eagles. My understanding is that talk of politics is generally discouraged here. Then again any thread with Bill Maher as the subject wil be almost impossible not to bring politics into it. With that being the general understanding, I will try to tread lightly.

I understand why bands try to protect their intellectual property, as if left to the bootleggers, scalpers, etc. their music/craft/work would not put money in their pockets.
On the other hand, a group like the Eagles who essentially live on their music from the past seem to take things too far at times, by confiscating cameras, video recorders, etc.
They also seem to work harder than most to remove fan recorded concert footage on Youtube (even from concerts from the 70s), which I think is a shame.

Now as someone said, they are willing to have their music played for a kings ransom under certain circumstances, yet forbid it to be played for any price by those who they disagree with politically. This is not only an Eagles phenomenon, but also other groups who demand politicians (typically conservatives and/or Republicans) not play their music for any amount of money. Yet they will allow liberal politicians to play their music for free, if they think it will help them in some way.
Aside from the obvious hypocrisy, it makes me wonder why it is not looked at in a flattering way. I could be the biggest leftist loon on the planet, but wouldn't think twice about a conservative playing my music. If they wanted to use it as part of their campaign, all the better so long as they paid me for it. The same would be true in reverse.

[Funk 50]

I could be the biggest leftist loon on the planet, but wouldn't think twice about a conservative playing my music. If they wanted to use it as part of their campaign, all the better so long as they paid me for it.

I thought lefties thought people were far more important than money, so no amount of financial recompense would make up for the damage through association.

Joe's very unfortunate to share a name with a former, far right wing politician who is now a radio talk show presenter. Joe did a "Don't vote for Me" promotion during his namesake's election campaign. :)

I know very little about Bill Maher. I didn't realise he was anything to do with politics. I thought he was one of those comedian/talk show host crossovers.

[Vector]

I thought lefties thought people were far more important than money, so no amount of financial recompense would make up for the damage through association.

Joe's very unfortunate to share a name with a former, far right wing politician who is now a radio talk show presenter. Joe did a "Don't vote for Me" promotion during his namesake's election campaign. :)

I know very little about Bill Maher. I didn't realise he was anything to do with politics. I thought he was one of those comedian/talk show host crossovers.

Maher has always had politics as part of his TV shows, even the ones with a comedy aspect, going back to "Politically Incorrect with Bill Mahar".
Back then he came across as more of a libertarian, but you could tell he had liberal tendencies.
Still to survive in Hollywood, you need to be full blown liberal now days, otherwise you are essentially blacklisted.
The irony of course is that liberals/leftists railed against the blacklists for communists because a decent amount of them were communists. Still, they felt it unfair to keep people from working because of their ideology. Yet today, there is a liberal litmus test one must adhere to, otherwise they do not get much work.

If you were to watch his show now, he opens with a comedic monologue and the audience are rabid liberals ready to clap for anything anti-Trump, anti-Republican, etc.
Then later he has a panel that sit down and discuss mostly politics, with two or three leftists, and one RINO who gets attacked by the rest of the panel/Maher.
However he sometimes has a hard right person on like Ann Coulter. There is a video clip of her predicting way back in the beginning of the Republican primary that Trump would win the presidency. She was laughed at and mocked, but turned out to be correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbygriZT1Xw

She also said Bernie would make a more formidable Democratic candidate, and I agreed with her.

Anyway, as this relates to the Eagles music, there is little doubt Henley is politically left of center, as was Frey. I know nothing about Azoff's politics, but he is likely a leftist as well. Now I know most would assume Frey's wife was liberal, but you never know. Some marriages can work with two people who love each other, yet are diametrically opposed politically. Probably the big Frey fans would know a lot about her, even her politics.

The point being that I can see where all three gave permission to Maher because he aligns with their politics. However I'd bet dollars to donuts they would refuse to let Rush, Savage or Hannity use anything by the Eagles, as they are conservatives/libertarians.

[Dawn]

You can look up anyone's political donations here it's all public record.

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml

[OutlawManNJ]

However I'd bet dollars to donuts they would refuse to let Rush, Savage or Hannity use anything by the Eagles, as they are conservatives/libertarians.

As they should because those guys you mentioned are biggoted pigs....why do you think the musicians you cherish would want top be associated with those clowns? There is also a reason why most artists that we all have loved for years are "lefties". Artists are usually more open minded...accepting of others, of new ideas etc etc etc...something "conservatives" (its right in the name!) are not. Thats why you have to search real hard for a musician that wants to be associated in any way with the current moron in the White House.

[New Kid In Town]

Outlawman - Amen to that. I could not agree more.

[Vector]

As they should because those guys you mentioned are biggoted pigs....why do you think the musicians you cherish would want top be associated with those clowns? There is also a reason why most artists that we all have loved for years are "lefties". Artists are usually more open minded...accepting of others, of new ideas etc etc etc...something "conservatives" (its right in the name!) are not. Thats why you have to search real hard for a musician that wants to be associated in any way with the current moron in the White House.

Come on now, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. :lol:

Frankly, I disagree with you on several fronts. Though I am not a musician or artist, I'd appreciate anyone (regardless of their politics) who in turn appreciated my work.
I might not vote for them or even agree with them on most issues, but that does not alter the fact they appreciate what I do.

Additionally, I'd bet the Eagles or any other band wouldn't want only people from the same political feather to buy their music, otherwise they'd only be half as rich as they are now.

You sweeping generalizations aside, many right of center people enjoy the same music, art, food etc. that people left of center do.
To try to demonize them all with such labels is as unfair as conservatives assuming all liberals are drug addicted communist traitors. You likely do not fit that comment, just as most conservatives to do fit your comment.

That aside, many country artists support the Republican candidates, but I do not recall any Democrats being barred from playing their music. It is almost as if leftists want to use their art as a weapon rather than appreciating that half the country leans right and enjoys their music.
So whether I was hard right or hard left, I cannot imagine alienating half my fan base by restricting my music being played by them. To me it would be flattering, not something to have a fit about.
Maybe I am just wired differently.

[MortSahlFan]

"Conservatives believe in change, just not while they are alive!!!"

[UndertheWire]

Writer, Thomas Sullivan, contacted the Eagles because he wanted to quote from Desperado in a book. He was given permission with no cost on the condition that he got the quote right. This lead to a friendship with Glenn Frey.

It's about respect and asking permission and not using the songs to promote something that Henley or Frey wouldn't support. In the Bill Maher case, it probably has little to do with being Democrats and everything to do with concern for the environment.

[OutlawManNJ]

Come on now, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. :lol:

Frankly, I disagree with you on several fronts. Though I am not a musician or artist, I'd appreciate anyone (regardless of their politics) who in turn appreciated my work.
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Really? So if Hitler wanted to use your song you would be pleased? Extreme example but same idea. The vast majority of artists do not want their work associated with politicians from the right. We have seen that happen many times where people like U2, Neil Young etc...have said "Dont play my songs at your rally". They probably feel dirty when a bigot enjoys their work.

[Funk 50]

Generalising, I believe right wing politicians tend to cut support for the arts which unsurprisingly leads to artists cutting their support for right wing politicians. :shrug:

[WalshFan88]

As they should because those guys you mentioned are biggoted pigs....why do you think the musicians you cherish would want top be associated with those clowns? There is also a reason why most artists that we all have loved for years are "lefties". Artists are usually more open minded...accepting of others, of new ideas etc etc etc...something "conservatives" (its right in the name!) are not. Thats why you have to search real hard for a musician that wants to be associated in any way with the current moron in the White House.

Agreed.

[New Kid In Town]

Ditto here too.
I can't wait for Christi to leave office. He has left our State in such a mess. Nothing but a publicity seeking bully. :thumbsdown:

[Vector]

Outlawman - Amen to that. I could not agree more.


Agreed.

You two could be of the liberal persuasion or even just moderates Democrats to where you would not support conservatives/Republicans. That is certainly the way a lot of people feel, despite the Republicans running all of the national government, and most of the state governments.

However to applaud or agree with Outlawmans caustic diatribe and sweeping generalizations demonizing conservatives as _____ist, ______phobes, etc., is surprising.
Not because I know any of you, but most people do not attach their support to the more fringe hardcore people, even in their own party.

One thing I like about Bill Maher is that he is willing to call out people of his own ideology, rather than be a lock step mindless automaton like some of the drones are.

[Vector]

Really? So if Hitler wanted to use your song you would be pleased? Extreme example but same idea. The vast majority of artists do not want their work associated with politicians from the right. We have seen that happen many times where people like U2, Neil Young etc...have said "Dont play my songs at your rally". They probably feel dirty when a bigot enjoys their work.

You sound like you really think conservatives are akin to Hitler with your previous post. So qualifying it now saying it is an extreme example to use Hitler in your question to me hardly masks your thought process.

However, let me try to answer your question without using mass murders in the example. I didn't care for Obama in any way shape or form. However I called out people saying he was like Hitler, as it was just as absurd as those calling Bush (or now Trump) Hitler.
So yes, if I were an artist and Obama wanted to play my music from time to time, I would not demand he stop playing it.
If he wanted to play it as his campaign theme, I'd allow it so long as I was adequately compensated for the going rate for such things.
Either way, I'd find it flattering, and I'd be able to appreciate that half my fans might not be of the same ideological/political persuasion as myself.

I'd also bet Henley nor any of the Eagles would give back all the money from their moderate and conservative fans, based on principle.

As to U2, maybe you have not heard, but Bono has had a change of heart from when he use to rail against capitalism and corporations. Here is but one article on the subject;

https://www.cato.org/blog/bono-only-capitalism-can-end-poverty


Here is a little clip of him being surprised at himself;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjKyEGDlXA


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[OutlawManNJ]

Excuse me but i didnt call trump hitler. I was responding to the person that said they would enjoy if ANYONE liked thei music so I asked "really...anyone"? How bout hitler. Trump is not hitler though with his narcicism and ego under the right conditions who knows...anyway he isnt hitler thats for sure but he is still a
Piece of s&@$

[FreyFollower]

As we can see, Eagles have widespread appeal, with fans across both sides of the political aisle. Now can we save the strictly political debates for the cheap talk and wine thread?

[Delilah]

As we can see, Eagles have widespread appeal, with fans across both sides of the political aisle. Now can we save the strictly political debates for the cheap talk and wine thread?

I agree, FreyFollower. This sub-forum is for discussing the Eagles and in that regard we should respectful of each other and avoid demonizing groups of people.

[Vector]

Excuse me but i didnt call trump hitler. I was responding to the person that said they would enjoy if ANYONE liked thei music so I asked "really...anyone"? How bout hitler. Trump is not hitler though with his narcicism and ego under the right conditions who knows...anyway he isnt hitler thats for sure but he is still a
Piece of s&@$

That other person was/is me. And I answered as much saying that yes, I'd be for someone like Obama using my music. To pull Hitler into it was typical of trying to prove a point by using extreme examples. Clearly no American politician was as bad as Stalin, Mao, Pot, etc.

Dislike Trump all you want, but the sweeping generalizations about conservatives in general are absurd. Just like your artist comments about being more open-minded. Many claim to want to "coexist" but their actions speak louder than the catchy slogan on tee shirts or bumper stickers. Many only want to coexist with like-minded people, and to demonize the ones that don't think the same.

Just as others could say many artists have been coddled, and therefore naive to the issues of our country and the world.
I gave you Bono as an example of someone who has become enlightened, but that came from years of seeing what worked and what didn't.

Frankly, I think one of the things that helped cause the rift between the Eagles was Frey & Henley's political leanings, wanting to do free fundraisers for liberals, when others were either ambivalent or maybe were moderates. Just because Leadon is into country/bluegrass does not make him a conservative, but most artists in that genre are.
We both know that Henley is not so pure to say I am not accepting money from conservative fans. He likely would be half as rich had he done that over the years, as he has fans from all parts of the political spectrum. Yet to say "his" music can only be used by liberals is a combination of two things. First it is a slap in the face to his moderate to conservative fans who don't want politics involved in their appreciation of his music.
Second, it is a narcissistic view to think that his music could influence people to vote one way or the other.

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[travlnman2]

Ditto here too.
I can't wait for Christi to leave office. He has left our State in such a mess. Nothing but a publicity seeking bully. :thumbsdown:


You should probably see what Dan Malloy has done to our State.

Republicans had more diversity in their candiate field then the Democrats last year. So really who is the party of diversity? 🤔 Democrats still belive in segeregation. These "Activists" at UC Santa Cruz took over an Faculty Bulding demanding seperate housing for African Americans.

[travlnman2]

Excuse me but i didnt call trump hitler. I was responding to the person that said they would enjoy if ANYONE liked thei music so I asked "really...anyone"? How bout hitler. Trump is not hitler though with his narcicism and ego under the right conditions who knows...anyway he isnt hitler thats for sure but he is still a
Piece of s&@$



Hillary is more of a narcissist then Trump. She should of went to Wisconsin and Michigan and if she did she would be President. But its muh Sexisim, Muh Russians

[travlnman2]

You two could be of the liberal persuasion or even just moderates Democrats to where you would not support conservatives/Republicans. That is certainly the way a lot of people feel, despite the Republicans running all of the national government, and most of the state governments.

However to applaud or agree with Outlawmans caustic diatribe and sweeping generalizations demonizing conservatives as _____ist, ______phobes, etc., is surprising.
Not because I know any of you, but most people do not attach their support to the more fringe hardcore people, even in their own party.

One thing I like about Bill Maher is that he is willing to call out people of his own ideology, rather than be a lock step mindless automaton like some of the drones are.

And you are an Agressive punk who is claimng you are being attacked while attacking them. If you can not be respectful during a debate dont debate at all.

[travlnman2]

You can look up anyone's political donations here it's all public record.

http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/advindsea.shtml


Thats why I love America :👍

[Vector]

And you are an Agressive punk who is claimng you are being attacked while attacking them. If you can not be respectful during a debate dont debate at all.

I have been called plenty of things over the years, but punk has not been one of them.
I am not reading (in my post that you quoted) where I claimed to be attacked, nor am I attacking the two posters I referenced. I merely point out how I'm surprised they would wholeheartedly lend their support to the post so over the top.

As to respectful, I go out of my way not to call people names like you did by typing "punk".
So I find it ironic you did so, when inaccurately accusing me of doing so.

Regardless, this subject seems to have hit a nerve with a few people, probably because Maher is an agent provocateur. People who watch his show are typically political junkies, mostly from the left. Still some moderates and even a few conservatives will watch his show, if for no other reason, to try and better understand how leftists think.

As to the Eagles allowing him to use their music, I wonder if he had to pay anything (as others have had to do)?

[redstorm1968]

So salty! I thought there was no name calling on this board? I guess it's OK as long as you are on the right side, or should I say the left? :laugh:

[sodascouts]

So tiresome.

Go to some other board to talk about politics. God knows there are plenty of them.

Moderating these discussions is not worth the effort.

Closing the thread.