Eagles Ticket Prices 2018

[MaryCalifornia]

Let's talk about prices to upcoming Eagles concerts. This is not a new topic, it has been an issue since 1994.

Are Don, Tim and Joe money-grubbing greedy thieving fan-haters?

I have three comments:

Tickets for the Columbus, OH show are $159 on Ticketmaster.

I wanted to see Misty Copeland dance in the Nutcracker last night with the American Ballet Theater, but tickets were higher than $159 and I didn't want to pay it. I decided not to go because it was more than I wanted to spend, but I didn't harbor any animosity towards the ballet.

I don't think the cost of front-row seats should be taken into consideration when talking about ticket prices, because that's a different deal altogether. Most fans aren't looking for that.

[YoungEaglesFan]

Let's talk about prices to upcoming Eagles concerts. This is not a new topic, it has been an issue since 1994.

Are Don, Tim and Joe money-grubbing greedy thieving fan-haters?

I have three comments:

Tickets for the Columbus, OH show are $159 on Ticketmaster.

I wanted to see Misty Copeland dance in the Nutcracker last night with the American Ballet Theater, but tickets were higher than $159 and I didn't want to pay it. I decided not to go because it was more than I wanted to spend, but I didn't harbor any animosity towards the ballet.

I don't think the cost of front-row seats should be taken into consideration when talking about ticket prices, because that's a different deal altogether. Most fans aren't looking for that.

I agree with this. The ticket prices are high but I’m sure there is some logic that goes into those numbers. They don’t just make up a number and hope people will pay for it

[New Kid In Town]

Let's talk about prices to upcoming Eagles concerts. This is not a new topic, it has been an issue since 1994.

Are Don, Tim and Joe money-grubbing greedy thieving fan-haters?

I have three comments:

Tickets for the Columbus, OH show are $159 on Ticketmaster.

I wanted to see Misty Copeland dance in the Nutcracker last night with the American Ballet Theater, but tickets were higher than $159 and I didn't want to pay it. I decided not to go because it was more than I wanted to spend, but I didn't harbor any animosity towards the ballet.

I don't think the cost of front-row seats should be taken into consideration when talking about ticket prices, because that's a different deal altogether. Most fans aren't looking for that.

Hi Mary - I love Misty Copeland - she is so awesome and such a great story. Is the ABT on tour in Calif. ? That's pretty cheap by NY standards.

I think the ticket prices are too high. In most cases they are more expensive than tickets for the HOTE tour. It's me who has been ragging about the front row tickets for $1,640.00(there are no VIP packages for these tours) I saw listed in some venues. I really do feel this is a money grab, however, I realize they have always, since day one, been about the money. When I saw the HFO tour in 1995, I paid $75.00 for first mez. seats at the Spectrum in Philly. The top tickets were $100.00 which was a fortune then. They received a lot of shit from the media and fans for those high ticket prices. So, my answer would be "yes" I think the ticket prices are too high. I don't think Don, Joe and Tim are "fan haters". I think they are somewhat greedy and taking advantage of people's emotions who think if they don't see them now it may be to late.
People are talking about Vince being with them. I am the first to admit I really don't know too much about him as I am not a fan of country music. My question would be how big a concert draw was he in the last couple of years. After all, he is not doing his songs, he is doing Eagles songs. Doe he warrant the higher price ?

[New Kid In Town]

I agree with this. The ticket prices are high but I’m sure there is some logic that goes into those numbers. They don’t just make up a number and hope people will pay for it

YEF - The logic is make as much money as you can and charge as much as you can get away with depending on the city they are playing in.

[MaryCalifornia]

Hi NKIT, yes! Misty Copeland and ABT in Orange County, CA this week! Hopefully I can take my daughter to see her next year.

I don’t think having Vince Gill would affect Eagles ticket prices. I think the guys know what it takes for it to be worth it for them to embark on a big tour. I can’t imagine Vince is a draw, but maybe he does pull in a segment that appreciated Common Thread who otherwise wouldn’t have gone to an Eagles show? He is a pretty big star I guess.

[New Kid In Town]

Hi NKIT, yes! Misty Copeland and ABT in Orange County, CA this week! Hopefully I can take my daughter to see her next year.

I don’t think having Vince Gill would affect Eagles ticket prices. I think the guys know what it takes for it to be worth it for them to embark on a big tour. I can’t imagine Vince is a draw, but maybe he does pull in a segment that appreciated Common Threads who otherwise wouldn’t have gone to an Eagles show? He is a pretty big star I guess.

Mary - Very Cool ! I hope you are able to take your daughter next year. I'm looking into taking my niece to the Nutcracker by the NJ Ballet Company at a town near me. I will be checking the ticket prices tomorrow.

[Pippinwhite]

I was hoping to see them in Nashville, but tickets start at
$95. Can’t do it. No way.

[New Kid In Town]

I was hoping to see them in Nashville, but tickets start at
$95. Can’t do it. No way.

Pippin - I am so sorry to hear you can't go. What was the highest price ticket going for in Nashville ? Buffy had want to see them in Columbus,Ohio with her parents but also could not go due to the high ticket prices. I've said this before, but it really is a shame they are pricing fans out of seeing them.

[buffyfan145]

We really weren't expecting the prices to be that high at all. It's been this way for awhile though as the last time the Eagles were here with Glenn the prices were too high for us to go to. However, it's not just the Eagles but a lot of artists prices just keep going up and up. We've had to be even more choosy lately with which concerts to go to. Thankfully a lot of the country artists I've seen lately have had reasonable prices, especially for the outdoor concerts as the lawn section isn't that bad for Riverbend Music Center we go to in Cincinnati. I also wasn't able to see Garth Brooks and Coldplay in the past couple years at the same venue because of the prices. I know when we saw Paul McCartney in Cincinnati, Tom Petty and Joe at OSU, and Fleetwood Mac (and Steve Nicks solo last year) at the same venue the Eagles will be at they were all cheaper. It's just crazy and how it'll vary between venues and artists. I just assumed it would be less and it actually was cheaper to see Don solo last year too.

[Dawn]

The tickets for the Classic East/West were quite expensive and alot of fans who really just wanted to see the Eagles or vice versa Fleetwood Mac were pissed off they were initially forced to buy two day passes when if they had waited they could have bought a one day pass.

[New Kid In Town]

The tickets for the Classic East/West were quite expensive and alot of fans who really just wanted to see the Eagles or vice versa Fleetwood Mac were pissed off they were initially forced to buy two day passes when if they had waited they could have bought a one day pass.

Those two day tickets had a top price of $2,500 and were not selling. People were doing a lot of bitching about the high ticket prices. In fact, It's just my opinion, but I think the reason they eventually sold separate tickets for each day was because they were not selling out. I remember checking both sites(E/W) and the ticket sales did not pick up until they did that. When I checked about 10 days before the West concert they still had not sold out. I think they both eventually both sold out.

[Pippinwhite]

@NKIT-- Sky's the limit for the Nashville tickets. I couldn't find any cheaper than $165 at Stubhub when I checked just now. Unreal.

I heard some rumors about a Birmingham show, but if it's at the Alys Stephens Center on the UAB campus, great venue, but not as many seats as at the civic center, so I'm sure the tickets would be priced accordingly.

In reply to someone (can't think who) who asked about Vince Gill's concert ticket prices. I saw him in Huntsville about 10 years ago and tickets were $40 for fourth row, floor seating in the concert hall at the Von Braun Center. They were great seats, and that's the smaller venue at the VBC. There's also the arena, which seats 9-10,000. So his tickets have always been very reasonable.

Concert tickets are completely out of sight, price wise. Unless I win the lottery, I don't see myself going to another one any time soon.

[New Kid In Town]

@NKIT-- Sky's the limit for the Nashville tickets. I couldn't find any cheaper than $165 at Stubhub when I checked just now. Unreal.

I heard some rumors about a Birmingham show, but if it's at the Alys Stephens Center on the UAB campus, great venue, but not as many seats as at the civic center, so I'm sure the tickets would be priced accordingly.

In reply to someone (can't think who) who asked about Vince Gill's concert ticket prices. I saw him in Huntsville about 10 years ago and tickets were $40 for fourth row, floor seating in the concert hall at the Von Braun Center. They were great seats, and that's the smaller venue at the VBC. There's also the arena, which seats 9-10,000. So his tickets have always been very reasonable.

Concert tickets are completely out of sight, price wise. Unless I win the lottery, I don't see myself going to another one any time soon.

Pippin - You are right the prices really are crazy. I had wanted to see Joe this summer when he opened for Tom Petty. However, the cheapest ticket I could find was $300.00, which I could not afford.

PS - It was me who asked about Vince and his ticket prices. Thanks for answering my question.

[BillBailey1976]

It is really an issue of pricing your fans out of going.
I think there is something to be said for knowing what you can get, and knowing what you should get. When you sell out every arena, you aren't in a money crunch. I just looked at Garth Brooks prices for Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, on Dec. 22. It has tickets listed as 63.65. If it's the way Garth typically does for his concerts, that price is the same for all seats.
And Garth is way bigger than the Eagles right now. He could easily charge outrageous prices, but has always cared about his fans.
When I saw him in 1996, every ticket in the arena was 20.00. He has always tried to stay in the lower range of ticket prices. That may be why he does 3 and 4 shows at every venue, and sells out in 20 minutes. He's a great singer, and doesn't try to gouge the fans.

[buffyfan145]

I will say when we tried to see Garth too it was more of how fast those tickets sold out than the prices. They even added 2 extra dates but they sold out too fast too, and of course I think some were bots so it wasn't really people buying them.

And I have seen Vince twice and they were very reasonable prices, but again that is the country genre. Like I said in my other post they seem to care more about their fans and probably demographically it makes sense to have the country concerts more affordable. And a lot of the younger country and alt-rock artists I listen to too don't usually charge that much but again they aren't as famous.

[shunlvswx]

When I saw Vince 12 years ago, I paid 60. Yeah. The country genre is usually cheap unless you're Taylor Swift. :lol:

I'm lucky that New Orleans is cheap. I really don't care about front row or lower seats close to the stage. I just want to be there. My ticket is going to be 96 (118 with all the taxes). And I think the 46 tickets sold out very quickly. So I went with the second lowest. Its high, but at this moment it didn't matter.

I complain about the tickets being too high when Glenn was alive and that's what stopped me when Glenn was alive. I do want to say this because I was accused once. If Glenn was still alive and they toured last year when Glenn got better, I would had seen the show then too. I'm glad I got a better job that makes more money now because I was struggling for 10 years and I couldn't go nowhere out of town.

[tac0mao6]

Cost of one ticket .. decent seat, top of my 250 do-able range .. is more than what I recently paid combined for George Strait AND Lionel Richie shows in Las Vegas. Still looking at various sites for more afforable but still decent seats for my group
:computer:

[sodascouts]

They charge as much as people are willing to pay. It's as simple as that.

They have fans who are willing to spend that kind of money to see them, so they charge high prices and still successfully sell tickets to those fans. If enough people stopped buying at those prices, they would lower them (as we saw with the Classic Easr/West). Until then, they have no reason to lower prices, except out of the goodness of their hearts or something. (Ha!)

Pure economics. They charge what the market will bear.

ETA: I think there was a time when they worried about looking bad, and didn't charge those kind of prices at the very top levels except for VIP, so I guess it is fair to say something has changed in that they no longer are concerned about that. Maybe Glenn's death?

[thelastresort]

They charge as much as people are willing to pay. It's as simple as that.

They have fans who are willing to spend that kind of money to see them, so they charge high prices and still successfully sell tickets to those fans. If enough people stopped buying at those prices, they would lower them (as we saw with the Classic Easr/West). Until then, they have no reason to lower prices, except out of the goodness of their hearts or something. (Ha!)

Pure economics. They charge what the market will bear.

ETA: I think there was a time when they worried about looking bad, and didn't charge those kind of prices at the very top levels except for VIP, so I guess it is fair to say something has changed in that they no longer are concerned about that. Maybe Glenn's death?

Spot on Soda - the value of something is what someone is willing to pay for it. Supply and demand.

If they can charge $200 a seat and still sell out a 15,000 seat arena then why shouldn't they go for it?

[Freypower]

Spot on Soda - the value of something is what someone is willing to pay for it. Supply and demand.

If they can charge $200 a seat and still sell out a 15,000 seat arena then why shouldn't they go for it?

Because it isn't the real 'Eagles'. The prices should now be lower, not higher.

On their last proper tour here they charged more than any act I have ever seen, Paul McCartney included. I now regret the amount of money I spent, given that it meant subjecting myself to their absurd camera & security policies. I had already decided I would never see them again. But that is a separate issue.

[thelastresort]

Because it isn't the real 'Eagles'. The prices should now be lower, not higher.

Whilst I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiment, I do not think that changes the economics of the matter. People are still willing in their droves to shell out three figures to see them.

(I love your signature by the way, I cannot stop listening to that song at the moment!)

[Dawn]

They charge as much as people are willing to pay. It's as simple as that.

They have fans who are willing to spend that kind of money to see them, so they charge high prices and still successfully sell tickets to those fans. If enough people stopped buying at those prices, they would lower them (as we saw with the Classic Easr/West). Until then, they have no reason to lower prices, except out of the goodness of their hearts or something. (Ha!)

Pure economics. They charge what the market will bear.

ETA: I think there was a time when they worried about looking bad, and didn't charge those kind of prices at the very top levels except for VIP, so I guess it is fair to say something has changed in that they no longer are concerned about that. Maybe Glenn's death?

I think Vince Gill was added as a touring member to ease the pressure on Deacon to perform (sing lead and play guitar) on stage in stadium size venues AND to enable the band to sell seats at a premium. I have never seen him in concert but know his Christmas show with wife Amy is very popular and something I am sure I'd probably enjoy. (Tickets for Christmas At the Ryman with Amy Grant and Vince Gill are $35-&125)

What irks me is people trying to sell me on the idea Don, Timothy and Joe are not doing this for the money. They are all very wealthy as it is. They are doing it for the fans. Fans who want to hear their favorite Eagles songs played and sung by the band that created them, Not a tribute band, God knows there are plenty of those (remember that?). Well if money isn't an issue why not price the shows at a reasonable and considerably more affordable price point? :shrug:

[New Kid In Town]

What irks me is people trying to sell me on the idea Don, Timothy and Joe are not doing this for the money. They are all very wealthy as it is. They are doing it for the fans. Fans who want to hear their favorite Eagles songs played and sung by the band that created them, Not a tribute band, God knows there are plenty of those (remember that?). Well if money isn't an issue why not price the shows at a reasonable and considerably more affordable price point? :shrug:

AMEN - My point exactly.
Soda & BB - Ditto - could not agree more.

[maryc2130]

The tickets for the Classic East/West were quite expensive and alot of fans who really just wanted to see the Eagles or vice versa Fleetwood Mac were pissed off they were initially forced to buy two day passes when if they had waited they could have bought a one day pass.

The prices for Classic East started out very expensive but fell dramatically as they apparently couldn't sell enough seats at those prices. (Gee, I wonder why?) Part of the reason I ended up going was that I got a 1-day ticket (floor seat) at the last minute for just under $100. There were much cheaper seats available in the stands. I wonder if that will end up happening again?

As far as the camera rule, when I went through security, one of the guys said,"We're supposed to tell everyone that the Eagles don't want any pictures or video taken during the show." Then he laughed and said, "But really, you can do whatever you want." The last part of his statement was true. I don't know if it was just too difficult to control in such a large venue, but I didn't see anyone asked to put their phone or camera away.

[YoungEaglesFan]

The prices for Classic East started out very expensive but fell dramatically as they apparently couldn't sell enough seats at those prices. (Gee, I wonder why?) Part of the reason I ended up going was that I got a 1-day ticket (floor seat) at the last minute for just under $100. There were much cheaper seats available in the stands. I wonder if that will end up happening again?

As far as the camera rule, when I went through security, one of the guys said,"We're supposed to tell everyone that the Eagles don't want any pictures or video taken during the show." Then he laughed and said, "But really, you can do whatever you want." The last part of his statement was true. I don't know if it was just too difficult to control in such a large venue, but I didn't see anyone asked to put their phone or camera away.

Has that camera and phone policy always been true? I know that it’s a newer thing and they are an old band, but was that unique to HOTE?

[New Kid In Town]

Has that camera and phone policy always been true? I know that it’s a newer thing and they are an old band, but was that unique to HOTE?

Just my experience but I believe it is post HFO. When I saw them in the 70's, 1980 and 1995, I do not remember security checking for cameras. And of course, there were no cell phones then. In fact I was at MANY a concert where all you had to do is breathe and you could get high from the cloud of pot hanging over the crowd. I also almost got hit by a firecracker some jerk threw. They just did not check for stuff then.

[YoungEaglesFan]

Just my experience but I believe it is post HFO. When I saw them in the 70's, 1980 and 1995, I do not remember security checking for cameras. And of course, there were no cell phones then. In fact I was at MANY a concert where all you had to do is breathe and you could get high from the cloud of pot hanging over the crowd. I also almost got hit by a firecracker some jerk threw. They just did not check for stuff then.

I think that it stinks now with all the security and new concert policies now. Obviously it’s good for the drugs and preventing people from getting hurt but I think that with all the recording and phones bands don’t act as spontaneous and there is a less variety between shows. It’s kind of sad

[New Kid In Town]

I think that it stinks now with all the security and new concert policies now. Obviously it’s good for the drugs and preventing people from getting hurt but I think that with all the recording and phones bands don’t act as spontaneous and there is a less variety between shows. It’s kind of sad


YEF - Security is just a sign of the times and it will only get stronger. Concerts have suddenly become a place for terrorists to strike. And truthfully, in MHO, someone smoking pot at a concert is the least of things people have to worry about now. Besides, it's legal in quite a few states now.

The Eagles have always been anal about cameras/cell phones. I don't see that changing any time soon.

[Funk 50]

The first Eagle I saw live was Henley in 1989. I had to drive to a different city to see him, as there were only about 3 or 4 even half suitable venues for him to play in the UK. I was impressed that he had a bit of light show. I saw Joe and Tim, with Ringo in 1992, at a smaller venue in Liverpool. Ringo only played 2 venues on that tour, Liverpool and London. Unlike Don. they were actual concert venues, though.

The Eagles HFO tour, playing outdoor stadiums with huge ticket prices, was a big factor in a surge of investment in concert arenas throughout the UK.

Before the HFO tour had ended, Manchester had built it's own, purpose built, concert arena so I was lucky enough to see the Eagles HFO show indoors, at the Nynex Arena, which is the same arena (with a different name) that's been in the news this year, after a suicide bomber blew himself up, at the end of an Ariana Grande concert.

After seeing the HFO show several times at various football stadiums around the UK, it was luxury to see it in a purpose built venue, with a roof over your head, controlled heating and lighting, practically door to door public transport, comfortable seats, easy access to toilet and refreshment facilities, pristine stage light and sound reproduction and backed by screens that were visible for the whole show, not just after dusk.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/eagles/1996/nynex-arena-manchester-england-3dbd583.html

All sorts of artists can now make a good living playing arena tours and a whole industry has developed to create a spectacle and help them sell the tickets.

On the downside, all the expensive staging means that the opportunity for spontaneity has almost disappeared completely. It does mean that ticket buyers are guaranteed an excellent show, even if the artists on stage are decades past their prime or even, not as talented as they appear in the more digitally controlled media.

Eagles were exceptional live, in the 70s, when it was a real challenge to pull off. Nowadays, thanks to all those people paying extortionate ticket prices, being great live is now the norm, rather than the exception.

[MaryCalifornia]

What irks me is people trying to sell me on the idea Don, Timothy and Joe are not doing this for the money.

Oh I definitely think they're doing it for the money, of course they are. But I don't have a problem with it. It's their job. I do my job for the money, on a different scale of course. If I could charge more, I would LOL. I make a lot less money and I have a lot less expenses (bad grammar but don't know how to say it).

Having said that, I don't think there's any amount of money in the world that could get them out on tour if they really didn't want to do it. They're doing it because they're having fun and are addicted to the limelight, like most stars.

My thoughts on inspirations for this tour, in order: 1) "having fun on stage"; 2) "still enjoying the whole touring with entourage/security/VIP hotel, transportation, dressing rooms, craft services star experience" 3) "money"; 4) "fans still want to see us."

[Pippinwhite]

At the risk of sounding like a Scrooge, I really don't care what their reasons are for the ticket pricing, unless they just don't have much control over it (which is possible, given the TicketMaster monopoly). Even though I'm a lifelong fan, I can't see them play unless the ticket prices come down about 50%. I know people have to be paid, and tours are fiendishly expensive undertakings, especially when you don't have big corporate sponsorship like many artists do, but when other artists playing smaller venues manage to keep their tickets within reason...

It's just a bummer for me. I'll drag my little blue funk somewhere else now. LOL.

[YoungEaglesFan]

Is there any word on how well the tickets have sold so far? Maybe as time goes on they won’t sell well and they’ll drop the price like they did at the classic concerts. That would be ideal

[Dawn]

At the risk of sounding like a Scrooge, I really don't care what their reasons are for the ticket pricing, unless they just don't have much control over it (which is possible, given the TicketMaster monopoly). Even though I'm a lifelong fan, I can't see them play unless the ticket prices come down about 50%. I know people have to be paid, and tours are fiendishly expensive undertakings, especially when you don't have big corporate sponsorship like many artists do, but when other artists playing smaller venues manage to keep their tickets within reason...

It's just a bummer for me. I'll drag my little blue funk somewhere else now. LOL.

Back to the future: July 22, 1976 Riverfront Coliseum, Cincinnati, Ohio
Ticket Price $7.50

Now you know why my BFF during these years darn near passed out when she saw Randy. She was jumping up and down yelling his name and started hyperventilating. I had to beg a fan for their paper bag shielding their bottle of beer LMAO. This pic was posted on Pinterest.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/12/db/e4/12dbe42b6c88ee4249479068f2dba827.jpg

[East Texas Girl]

Oh my gosh, Dawn!!!! Thanks so much for that pic! What an awesome specimen of talent, kindness, respect, handsomeness, beautiful hair, etc... I could go on for days... :inlove:

[NightMistBlue]

What a knock-out. Hey Dawn, did your friend manage to catch Randy's attention?

You're so, so lucky to have seen them in their prime.

OT: is Austin around? I'm wondering if he has any thoughts about that gizmo on Randy's mic stand. The square metal thing. Maybe it was a prototype of something, made just for him.

[WKMB55]

I agree that one of the reasons Don, Joe and Tim are touring is for the money. I don't think any of the band has denied this since HFO in 1994. I also agree that it is their job and we all expect to get paid for our work. I have never been able to understand why we are willing to pay such high ticket prices for entertainment and sporting events, but we are.

[Delilah]

The Eagles HFO tour, playing outdoor stadiums with huge ticket prices, was a big factor in a surge of investment in concert arenas throughout the UK.

Interesting, I did not know that.



After seeing the HFO show several times at various football stadiums around the UK, it was luxury to see it in a purpose built venue, with a roof over your head, controlled heating and lighting, practically door to door public transport, comfortable seats, easy access to toilet and refreshment facilities, pristine stage light and sound reproduction and backed by screens that were visible for the whole show, not just after dusk.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/eagles/1996/nynex-arena-manchester-england-3dbd583.html


Thank you for bringing this up b/c I was going to touch on this. I believe the Eagles concert tickets are ridiculously high, but I’m not convinced they’re much different from what they were during the HOTE tour and beforehand. Inflation should be considered. New Kid in Town has said she paid $100 for her ticket to see the HFO tour. In today’s dollars that’s equivalent to $165.00. Tickets for next summer’s concert at AT&T Stadium in Dallas run from:

$99.50 for nosebleed seats
$159.50 for seats on the lower level but at the opposite end zone from the stage
$229.00 for lower to mid-level stadium seating closer to the stage
$229.59 - $3750 for floor seats (the latter being front row center)

These are standard admission prices, not resales. What does this pay for?

Per Wiki, AT&T Stadium is less than 10 years old and has the world’s 24th largest HD video screen which hangs from the 20-yd line to the 20-yd line. There are more than 3000 Sony LCD displays throughout the stadium, from private boxes to the concession stand. This may not seem a big deal these days, but compared to what expensive seats in the past offered, this is an upgrade in video technology and its access. Not to mention sound systems and acoustics.

In addition to the Eagles performing with Grammy-winning platinum-selling Country star Vince Gill, there is an opening act—Chris Stapleton, a young, hot new artist who is also a Grammy-winning multi-platinum selling one. He released his latest album (Vol. 1 and 2) just this year (and it’s great!).

As I said, the ticket prices are ridiculously high but this is not new for the Eagles and hasn’t been for decades, and I don’t accept that it’s suddenly a novel reason to hate on the current line-up. I have no doubt throughout the latter-day tours many ticket-buyers thought this may be their last chance to see them. Even New Kid said as much for the HFO tour. I don’t buy that—that they’re taking advantage of hapless easily-manipulated ticket-buyers—as a valid reason to hate on them either. If it is, then they should been earning this scorn for many years now.

I’m not aware of anyone claiming the band is doing this for strictly non-monetary reasons.

[Dawn]

What a knock-out. Hey Dawn, did your friend manage to catch Randy's attention?

You're so, so lucky to have seen them in their prime.

OT: is Austin around? I'm wondering if he has any thoughts about that gizmo on Randy's mic stand. The square metal thing. Maybe it was a prototype of something, made just for him.

Oh yes, Randy looked our way and smiled I am not sure who or what he was smiling at but it was probably her she was hard to miss.

I was mesmorized by Glenn Frey it was an absolute thrill watching him play and listening to him sing. I was not screaming his name though. At least not that I remember but alot of other girls sure were. Trust me, he was stone cold sexy gorgeous. And Randy sweet as cherry pie.

[Dawn]

Yes, I am so blessed to have experienced the Eagles from the very beginning all the way through to the end HOTE.

[tac0mao6]

Oh my gosh, Dawn!!!! Thanks so much for that pic! What an awesome specimen of talent, kindness, respect, handsomeness, beautiful hair, etc... I could go on for days... :inlove:

agree ETG .. Randy is indeed a rare one :grin:
and thanks to Dawn for sharing the pic too

[NightMistBlue]

It's just a bummer for me. I'll drag my little blue funk somewhere else now. LOL.

Pippin, keep hope alive. Maybe you will win tickets, or some nice person will have an extra ticket and invite you along.

[Dawn]

I agree that one of the reasons Don, Joe and Tim are touring is for the money. I don't think any of the band has denied this since HFO in 1994. I also agree that it is their job and we all expect to get paid for our work. I have never been able to understand why we are willing to pay such high ticket prices for entertainment and sporting events, but we are.

Alot of it has to do with the baby boomers who have as Azoff calls it "expendable income".

There is a great article I posted awhile back called Twilight of the Rock Gods that IMHO offers some valuable insight. I highly recommend the article and think it was originally published in the Wall Street Journal but not positive.

Edited to add:

It is available here

http://us.vocuspr.com/ViewAttachment.aspx?EID=cpZ7cCcDKQLTCyyd3OPZGRnH/JzLBb7VZOryYvI6uCQ%3D

[Freypower]

Of course they expect to get paid. That goes without saying. On the other hand, they didn't have to do this. Nobody is forcing them.

Regarding the cameras & security issues, I could write a few paragraphs about the incredibly heavy handed way the Australian audiences were treated in 2015, and compare that with the way we were treated at Paul McCartney's shows last week. But I know that nobody wants to hear that, so I won't bore you with it.

[Pippinwhite]

@Dawn -- I am so far beyond envious that you got to see the guys in the 70s, when I was still just a kid! And that is an awesome shot of Randy! I'm the same kind of fan you are, in general. I do yell at concerts, and would have if I'd been in the back, but up front, I'd have been a starstruck idiot, standing there, doe-eyed, maybe venturing to wave once in a while. LOLOLOL. Sigh.

@NMB-- Thanks! Maybe someday... :)

[Dawn]

@Dawn -- I am so far beyond envious that you got to see the guys in the 70s, when I was still just a kid! And that is an awesome shot of Randy! I'm the same kind of fan you are, in general. I do yell at concerts, and would have if I'd been in the back, but up front, I'd have been a starstruck idiot, standing there, doe-eyed, maybe venturing to wave once in a while. LOLOLOL. Sigh.

@NMB-- Thanks! Maybe someday... :)

$7.50 in 1976 is $32.27 in 2017 dollars.

[WKMB55]

I totally agree that no one is making them do this. Don, Joe, and Timothy are 70 year old adult men who have experienced a lot in their lives. At their age, they know exactly what the consequences of their decisions and choices will be. My opinion is that along with Glenn (until he passed) that they haven't done anything they didn't want to do since 1994.

[New Kid In Town]

I believe the Eagles concert tickets are ridiculously high, but I’m not convinced they’re much different from what they were during the HOTE tour and beforehand. Inflation should be considered. New Kid in Town has said she paid $100 for her ticket to see the HFO tour. In today’s dollars that’s equivalent to $165.00. Tickets for next summer’s concert at AT&T Stadium in Dallas run from:
$99.50 for nosebleed seats
$159.50 for seats on the lower level but at the opposite end zone from the stage
$229.00 for lower to mid-level stadium seating closer to the stage
$229.59 - $3750 for floor seats (the latter being front row center)

These are standard admission prices, not resales. What does this pay for?

Per Wiki, AT&T Stadium is less than 10 years old and has the world’s 24th largest HD video screen which hangs from the 20-yd line to the 20-yd line. There are more than 3000 Sony LCD displays throughout the stadium, from private boxes to the concession stand. This may not seem a big deal these days, but compared to what expensive seats in the past offered, this is an upgrade in video technology and its access. Not to mention sound systems and acoustics.

In addition to the Eagles performing with Grammy-winning platinum-selling Country star Vince Gill, there is an opening act—Chris Stapleton, a young, hot new artist who is also a Grammy-winning multi-platinum selling one. He released his latest album (Vol. 1 and 2) just this year (and it’s great!).
As I said, the ticket prices are ridiculously high but this is not new for the Eagles and hasn’t been for decades, and I don’t accept that it’s suddenly a novel reason to hate on the current line-up. I have no doubt throughout the latter-day tours many ticket-buyers thought this may be their last chance to see them. Even New Kid said as much for the HFO tour. I don’t buy that—that they’re taking advantage of hapless easily-manipulated ticket-buyers—as a valid reason to hate on them either. If it is, then they should been earning this scorn for many years now.
I’m not aware of anyone claiming the band is doing this for strictly non-monetary reasons.

Delilah - I paid $75.00 for my ticket for HFO. The top ticket price then was $100.00. I had first level mez. seats at the Spectrum in Philly. That was 1995. As I said earlier, the Eagles were among the first to usher in the crazy ticket prices and the press tore them apart for it. The Stones also had that price or higher for their tour then.
There are some tours where the Eagles are along and do not have a opening act. I forget what those ticket prices are. As numerous people have d=said including myself, people are paying the high prices because they are afraid they may never get to see them if they don't do it now. It was the same for HFO, that was originally supposed to be only a six month tour and wound up being two years due to the success and demand by the fans.

Delilah - This is off topic but thanks for your updates on Bob's djing stint. It was greatly appreciated.
Pippin - Don't give up hope. I think radio stations are giving away free tickets to the concerts. I know my local stations were for the East Concert.

[YoungEaglesFan]

Delilah - I paid $75.00 for my ticket for HFO. The top ticket price then was $100.00. I had first level mez. seats at the Spectrum in Philly. That was 1995. As I said earlier, the Eagles were among the first to usher in the crazy ticket prices and the press tore them apart for it. The Stones also had that price or higher for their tour then.
There are some tours where the Eagles are along and do not have a opening act. I forget what those ticket prices are. As numerous people have d=said including myself, people are paying the high prices because they are afraid they may never get to see them if they don't do it now. It was the same for HFO, that was originally supposed to be only a six month tour and wound up being two years due to the success and demand by the fans.

Delilah - This is off topic but thanks for your updates on Bob's djing stint. It was greatly appreciated.
Pippin - Don't give up hope. I think radio stations are giving away free tickets to the concerts. I know my local stations were for the East Concert.

Wouldn’t this indicate that they just go off the demand by the fans and then set the prices? If we can agree on that then it basically boils down to a debate if people are ok with using the market to decide prices or if they should be kinder. That’s a more political question so I don’t think agreement is feasible

[UndertheWire]

I looked up my tickets from the HotE tour where I bought 2 tickets for CA$215, so probably CA$100 each. For one of the dates next summer, a resale ticket for the same row (about 3 seats along) is offered at $144 + fees but there's a standard ticket 5 rows further back for CA$69.50 + fees. The venue looks to be close to sold out. My conclusion is for such unfashionable rows, the price inflation can't be too bad.

I wondered if a larger proportion of sales are for people seeing them once as a bucket list item rather than frequent flyers. People may be more willing to pay out for better seats if it's a once in a life time opportunity.

[buffyfan145]

I still don't get why they think the Baby Boomers have money like that to spend. Not all of them do, especially my parents. But again my parents are the younger of the Baby Boomer generation and both still have not retired yet. So I guess it's more like how it is with Gen X and my generation/Millennials. And I for sure don't have the extra money especially still having not graduated college and looking for work again. So it is unfair for those of us who need our money for expenses and have to watch what we spend it on.

[Dawn]

I still don't get why they think the Baby Boomers have money like that to spend. Not all of them do, especially my parents. But again my parents are the younger of the Baby Boomer generation and both still have not retired yet. So I guess it's more like how it is with Gen X and my generation/Millennials. And I for sure don't have the extra money especially still having not graduated college and looking for work again. So it is unfair for those of us who need our money for expenses and have to watch what we spend it on.

Looking back I was in college in the 70s and working part time saving my paychecks to buy concert tickets. There were alot of bands and solo artists touring the US especially in Southern and Northern California. I saw Janis Joplin, BB King, Jesse Colin Young, Quicksilver, Grateful Dead, Santana, J Geils, Creedence, Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell, Eagles, Jefferson Starship, Big Brother, Beach Boys, etc. We piled into our own or a friends car and shared gas expenses. Most of us had special speakers installed in our cars (that was the thing back then) and how I survived being crammed into a VW with an 8 track player blasting I really don't know. Alot of colleges and state fairs hosted groups but there was also the infamous Cow Palace in SF which was a popular venue for bands. And of course Woodstock. And the Monterey Blues Festival. It was pretty unusual not to be going to a concert every Friday night and on weekends.

I am a Baby Boomer and don't like to see my generation exploited nevermind making it so hard for younger fans to see their favorite (or any) bands and artists. I am afraid we are past the point of no return when it comes to the Eagoes and other bands. If fans will pay ridiculous prices they aren't going to leave money on the table. Eagles, not Eagoes. Whoa. That was an uncanny typo.

[maryc2130]

Wouldn’t this indicate that they just go off the demand by the fans and then set the prices? If we can agree on that then it basically boils down to a debate if people are ok with using the market to decide prices or if they should be kinder. That’s a more political question so I don’t think agreement is feasible

I think it's more of an ethical decision than political. The Eagles more than likely leave those decisions to Irving, and it doesn't seem that he would worry about the average fan's ability to pay. If they can fill the seats at the higher prices, they will, which is certainly nothing new for them. I know ticket prices in past years seem a lot cheaper when we look back at them now, but it's all relative. I remember being put off by $40.00 for lawn seats at a local venue for the HFO tour. I had already paid to see Billy Joel and Elton John in concert together that year, and considered $40.00 a lot for that type of seat. (Kind of regret it now!)

UTW, that's a good point about the bucket list, or even those who have seen them might consider it the last chance to see them again. Which it very well could be. It's not the same, by any means, as seeing them with Glenn, but this is probably the last chance, or close to it, of seeing them in any iteration.

I also agree that not all baby boomers can afford the ticket prices. As a younger baby boomer, I wish I had some of this expendable income that people speak of. As it is, I was laid off from my job last March because of a workforce reduction, and only now have been able to finally get a job again.

[Pippinwhite]

I'm solid Gen X and can't afford them. And no one is giving any away, yet. Maybe closer to time.

Still and all, if you find a good price on StubHub, this is a bona fide link for a $100 gift card for $80, so with tickets being over $100 most places, you'll at least get a $20 discount.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Get-a-100-Stub-Hub-Gift-Card-for-only-80-Fast-Email-delivery/263386222195?siteId=0&pguid=8d106cae15b0a9c453815606ffff8d7c&AdChoicePreference=true&rmvSB=true

We will publish this deal on my company's website. It says limited quantities available, so if you're interested, probably better head on over and get one.

P.S. This is the best deal we've seen at my company for a $100 Stubhub GC in at least 2 years.

[NightMistBlue]

Looking back I was in college in the 70s and working part time saving my paychecks to buy concert tickets. There were alot of bands and solo artists touring the US especially in Southern and Northern California. I saw Janis Joplin, BB King, Jesse Colin Young, Quicksilver, Grateful Dead, Santana, J Geils, Creedence, Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell, Eagles, Jefferson Starship, Big Brother, Beach Boys, etc. We piled into our own or a friends car and shared gas expenses. Most of us had special speakers installed in our cars (that was the thing back then) and how I survived being crammed into a VW with an 8 track player blasting I really don't know. Alot of colleges and state fairs hosted groups but there was also the infamous Cow Palace in SF which was a popular venue for bands. And of course Woodstock. And the Monterey Blues Festival. It was pretty unusual not to be going to a concert every Friday night and on weekends.

I may have said this before Dawn, but I'd love to hear about your concert experiences back in the day. Maybe we could have a dedicated thread in the Cheap Talk and Wine where folks can recount their tales of concerts past.

OT: Did you ever see The Doors or were they before your time?

[Dawn]

I may have said this before Dawn, but I'd love to hear about your concert experiences back in the day. Maybe we could have a dedicated thread in the Cheap Talk and Wine where folks can recount their tales of concerts past.

OT: Did you ever see The Doors or were they before your time?

Yes that would be fun! I am curious what bands other Borderers have seen esp any 60's-70's Motor City/Motown and Philly bands & artists like the Temps, 4 Tops, Sam & Dave, Harold & The Blue Notes, Spinners, etc.

No, never saw the Doors. Crying shame too!

[Delilah]

Delilah - I paid $75.00 for my ticket for HFO. The top ticket price then was $100.00. I had first level mez. seats at the Spectrum in Philly. That was 1995. As I said earlier, the Eagles were among the first to usher in the crazy ticket prices and the press tore them apart for it.


Sorry for misquoting you, NKIT. :oops: The Spectrum is no more, is that right?


There are some tours where the Eagles are along and do not have a opening act. I forget what those ticket prices are. As numerous people have d=said including myself, people are paying the high prices because they are afraid they may never get to see them if they don't do it now.

Yes, you’re right about some of the concerts not having an opening act. These are the “Evening With the Eagles” shows that are in smaller venues and I assume the tickets are less expensive. I used the concert at the AT&T Stadium as an example b/c I believe it represents the high end on the ticket price scale.



Delilah - This is off topic but thanks for your updates on Bob's djing stint. It was greatly appreciated.
Pippin - Don't give up hope. I think radio stations are giving away free tickets to the concerts. I know my local stations were for the East Concert.

You’re very welcome, and I agree about Pippin—don’t give up, you never know what can happen.

[MaryCalifornia]

So it is unfair for those of us who need our money for expenses and have to watch what we spend it on.

Unfair? I don't understand this. Can we agree that going to concerts is a luxury item and not a necessity?

[MaryCalifornia]

I am a Baby Boomer and don't like to see my generation exploited nevermind making it so hard for younger fans to see their favorite (or any) bands and artists.

Exploited? Can we agree that concerts are a luxury, similar to a vacation or an expensive pair of shoes? There is no societal obligation for concerts to be affordable!

[buffyfan145]

Unfair? I don't understand this. Can we agree that going to concerts is a luxury item and not a necessity?

I can probably speak for a lot of us Millennials that we see it as a life experience and for us to be fans we'd like to be able to actually see the bands/singers we like. Thankfully those in the country and alt-rock genres get this, especially the ones in my own generation. It's just not fair to not be considerate for everyone.

[My My]

Well, let me add my 2 cents about the price of concert tickets for 2018 as compared with the 1970's. While some boomers may have more disposable income to spend on concert tickets now, back then concerts were a totally different animal. They were almost exclusively a kid's game. I was 16 when I first started going to concerts with my friends. My first concert was in 1975, the Eagles with Dan Fogelberg opening. The ticket price was $5.50 advance, $6.50 day of show. Cheap? Yes, but priced so teenagers could go to their local record store and pick them up. They were also festival seating, even though it was an indoor venue. Festival seating was the norm for certain venues at the time. There were no computers to keep track of seats back then and tickets were often sold at many different outlets, mostly record stores. And since there were no online purchases, no one could snatch up tickets within seconds. The extra dollar for day of show was sort of an incentive to try to sell the concert more quickly. As I said earlier, the concerts were truly a kid's game. Festival seating could be like a black Friday sale on steroids, not for adults. I'm sure there are exceptions to this of course, but the concerts I attended were filled with people my age, give or take a couple of years. That's why they were rowdy, fun filled, sometimes a little dangerous adventures. I would have looked at someone in their late 20s at the time as old, and not belonging there! Even though we talk about how young the Eagles were back then, most of us in the crowd were quite a bit younger than them. I just turned 59, a full 10 years younger than Glenn. And, to cap off this discussion of the high ticket prices, when I saw them in June of 1980 the ticket price was $12.50. Still cheap, but more than double of my first ticket!

[Delilah]

A lot of things were quite different in the 70s and everything was cheaper—clothes, movie tickets, food, cars, homes, etc. If I recall correctly, my older sisters saw Fleetwood Mac in the late 70s for $10 per ticket.

However, I believe what the OP had in mind was to discuss ticket prices since 1994 which marks the beginning of a new era—the emergence of the nostalgia act tours, with the Eagles leading the way. Since this time there have been plenty of people willing to shell out big bucks to go see these concerts. And yes the prime demographic was/is the baby boomers for whom the time of the free concert via the Grateful Dead was a thing of the forgotten past.

In this regard, the OP is asking “are Don, Timothy and Joe money-hungry greedy thugs”? Or something to that effect.

[Freypower]

A lot of things were quite different in the 70s and everything was cheaper—clothes, movie tickets, food, cars, homes, etc. If I recall correctly, my older sisters saw Fleetwood Mac in the late 70s for $10 per ticket.

However, I believe what the OP had in mind was to discuss ticket prices since 1994 which marks the beginning of a new era—the emergence of the nostalgia act tours, with the Eagles leading the way. Since this time there have been plenty of people willing to shell out big bucks to go see these concerts. And yes the prime demographic was/is the baby boomers for whom the time of the free concert via the Grateful Dead was a thing of the forgotten past.

In this regard, the OP is asking “are Don, Timothy and Joe money-hungry greedy thugs”? Or something to that effect.

The OP supports the current lineup & I believe was being extremely sarcastic. It was a rhetorical question. She wants those of you who support this to reply ' no! Of course they're not'!

[Dawn]

Exploited? Can we agree that concerts are a luxury, similar to a vacation or an expensive pair of shoes? There is no societal obligation for concerts to be affordable!

While I'd agree there is no societal obligation for concerts to be affordable I don't appreciate what I consider to be manipulative/exploitative sales and marketing tactics aimed at a specific age group - in this case so-called baby boomers.

And of course, this isn't the 70's things have changed but one thing that has stayed constant is none of these groups could make a dime without fans coming to see them and buying their merchandises, records, etc.

Personally, I am sorry fans are priced out of seeing the band on their 2018 tour because of absurdly high prices. Could they lower the prices and still make a profit? i gotta believe they can but right now it seems the best option is to wait.

[New Kid In Town]

Sorry for misquoting you, NKIT. :oops: The Spectrum is no more, is that right?
Yes, you’re right about some of the concerts not having an opening act. These are the “Evening With the Eagles” shows that are in smaller venues and I assume the tickets are less expensive. I used the concert at the AT&T Stadium as an example b/c I believe it represents the high end on the ticket price scale.
You’re very welcome, and I agree about Pippin—don’t give up, you never know what can happen.

Delilah - Yeah, they tore down the Spectrum in Nov.2009. I forget the name of the new facility. I saw Elton there too.
I wonder what ticket prices are for the “Evening With the Eagles”. They have not scheduled anything here in the NY/NJ Metro area. I assume it is because they did the Classic East at Citi Field.

Dawn - Wow, you sure saw some great concerts back then ! I would have loved to see some of those people/groups in concert. Lucky you. Delilah is right, I sure would love to hear a review of those shows if you can remember them, I know it was a long time ago.

PS - Sorry for the typing errors earlier, I was trying to hurry up and get my two cents in before I had to catch my train.

[UndertheWire]

I don't see it as exploitative or manipulative. It's the simple economics of supply and demand. That re-sale tickets are attracting a premium shows that demand is outstripping supply. In theory, they could increase supply but that would mean fitting in extra concerts or touring for longer periods and maybe they don't feel like doing that.

[New Kid In Town]

Well, let me add my 2 cents about the price of concert tickets for 2018 as compared with the 1970's. While some boomers may have more disposable income to spend on concert tickets now, back then concerts were a totally different animal. They were almost exclusively a kid's game. I was 16 when I first started going to concerts with my friends. My first concert was in 1975, the Eagles with Dan Fogelberg opening. The ticket price was $5.50 advance, $6.50 day of show. Cheap? Yes, but priced so teenagers could go to their local record store and pick them up. They were also festival seating, even though it was an indoor venue. Festival seating was the norm for certain venues at the time. There were no computers to keep track of seats back then and tickets were often sold at many different outlets, mostly record stores. And since there were no online purchases, no one could snatch up tickets within seconds. The extra dollar for day of show was sort of an incentive to try to sell the concert more quickly. As I said earlier, the concerts were truly a kid's game. Festival seating could be like a black Friday sale on steroids, not for adults. I'm sure there are exceptions to this of course, but the concerts I attended were filled with people my age, give or take a couple of years. That's why they were rowdy, fun filled, sometimes a little dangerous adventures. I would have looked at someone in their late 20s at the time as old, and not belonging there! Even though we talk about how young the Eagles were back then, most of us in the crowd were quite a bit younger than them. I just turned 59, a full 10 years younger than Glenn. And, to cap off this discussion of the high ticket prices, when I saw them in June of 1980 the ticket price was $12.50. Still cheap, but more than double of my first ticket!

Very true My My. I remember going to my local record store or a couple of stores like Macys to buy my tickets. It sure seemed much easier then. Line up and buy the tickets. When I saw the Eagles at Giants Stadium in 1980, they played a triple bill with the Little River Band and Heart. If I remember right, my tickets were around $12.00. I think the age of the crowd depended on the person you were going to see. I remember seeing JT and JB and the crowd was between the ages of say 16-17-28. My sister saw Alice Cooper as her first concert when she was around 15-16 years old and I doubt if kids were older than 25. Dead heads were a different story - lol .

[My My]

NKIT--True, Deadheads were always a different crowd! Either professionals who could afford to take the summer off to follow the band or those that just lived the lifestyle of a vagabond and picked up enough money along the way to hang for the tour!

[New Kid In Town]

NKIT--True, Deadheads were always a different crowd! Either professionals who could afford to take the summer off to follow the band or those that just lived the lifestyle of a vagabond and picked up enough money along the way to hang for the tour!

My MY - My younger brother was a big GD fan. He didn't follow them up and down the East Coast but he did get their newsletter. I remember my Dad bringing in the mail once along with the newsletter. My father wanted to know what the crap a dead head news letter was.

[Dawn]

Tower Records.

[My My]

Tower Records.

Is that where you bought your tickets? They were a national chain, I believe. I bought mine at Karma Records, a local Indy shop. They are still in business, don't sell Eagles tickets anymore though, LOL

[MaryCalifornia]

The OP supports the current lineup & I believe was being extremely sarcastic. It was a rhetorical question. She wants those of you who support this to reply ' no! Of course they're not'!

We are having a perfectly nice, respectful thread, with multiple views on ticket prices being put forth from different generations, countries, concert experiences, etc... THAT is what I wanted. Why do you have to be like this?

I just heard on NPR that the National Park Service is considering raising the entrance fee for cars in 2018 from $25 to $70 to visit our public national parks. Now THAT is something I consider unfair to those who can't afford it.

[Freypower]

We are having a perfectly nice, respectful thread, with multiple views on ticket prices being put forth from different generations, countries, concert experiences, etc... THAT is what I wanted. Why do you have to be like this?

I just heard on NPR that the National Park Service is considering raising the entrance fee for cars in 2018 from $25 to $70 to visit our public national parks. Now THAT is something I consider unfair to those who can't afford it.

I'm not being 'like anything'. You made the sarcastic comment in your first post. You obviously wanted to have a dig at those of us who are against it.

Don't worry, I will now stay out of it, but perhaps you should look at the 3.0 thread again & see how frustrated people on the other side are at the way that thread has been hijacked on numerous occasions.

[chaim]

I can understand Freypower's view on this. There are some bits already in the original post that seem to be suggesting that some of us are being silly. When I read the following bits I felt like they were written with "us" in mind:

Are Don, Tim and Joe money-grubbing greedy thieving fan-haters?

AND:

I decided not to go because it was more than I wanted to spend, but I didn't harbor any animosity towards the ballet.

The first one is so strongly put that I can't help but feeling it's designed to make people go "NO!", like Freypower said. That's probably why I read the second one that way too. The rest I have no problem with. IMO the question in the original post could have been less...exaggerated - especially the "fan-haters". Now it's like a straw man version of what some of "us" have said. In other words, "our" words have been twisted into something so ridiculous that it's impossible to agree with it.

Other than that, I think it's good to have a separate thread for this and it's been an interesting read.

[MaryCalifornia]

FP - nobody is asking you to stay out of this thread - all views on the topic are welcome here, yours included. I'm just personally asking you not to be so negative about ME.

Chaim - I created this thread because there are so many posts about ticket prices and how unfair they are in 3.0, but I'm not going to debate in there. I do think it's a valid topic, though, for everyone to chime in on. Sorry you didn't like the way I phrased the original post. My view is clear - I think concert tickets are a luxury that people don't have a "right" to.

I actually thought this thread was going pretty well.

[chaim]

FP - nobody is asking you to stay out of this thread - all views on the topic are welcome here, yours included. I'm just personally asking you not to be so negative about ME.

Chaim - I created this thread because there are so many posts about ticket prices and how unfair they are in 3.0, but I'm not going to debate in there. I do think it's a valid topic, though, for everyone to chime in on. Sorry you didn't like the way I phrased the original post. My view is clear - I think concert tickets are a luxury that people don't have a "right" to.

I actually thought this thread was going pretty well.

I think so too, so I won't ruin the thread by continuing this. I only said that I can understand why Freypower feels how she feels - how it can be taken that way

[YoungEaglesFan]

I think that Chaim and FP are right about this being a bit of a strawman though Mary still had a good thread going and I think outside of the strawman, she made good points.

[Magnolia]

Delilah - Yeah, they tore down the Spectrum in Nov.2009. I forget the name of the new facility. I saw Elton there too.
I wonder what ticket prices are for the “Evening With the Eagles”. They have not scheduled anything here in the NY/NJ Metro area. I assume it is because they did the Classic East at Citi Field.

Dawn - Wow, you sure saw some great concerts back then ! I would have loved to see some of those people/groups in concert. Lucky you. Delilah is right, I sure would love to hear a review of those shows if you can remember them, I know it was a long time ago.

PS - Sorry for the typing errors earlier, I was trying to hurry up and get my two cents in before I had to catch my train.

I'm going to one of the "Evening with the Eagles" dates in New Orleans. With all the extra fees added in (plus ticket insurance), my price came to about $250-260. It is in the range of other acts I've seen at the Smoothie King Center. Granted SKC is one of the smaller venues they are playing at. I'm sure the tickets would be priced higher if they were playing the Superdome.

[My My]

Delilah--Of course the things you listed, food, clothing, housing, etc. were cheaper back then than they are now, but the increase in prices now are due mainly to inflation. My larger point was that in the 70's concerts were not the big events that they are now. They were just an activity that you did with friends, much like going to a movie, just a step above. Seeing a concert then didn't involve using your dad's credit card. I always had $5-$10 sitting around from babysitting jobs and could buy a concert ticket. I think prices exploded in 1994 with the Eagles leading the pack at the time. And yes, I think they counted on us boomers financing these big events. Personally, I had 3 young kids at the time and couldn't or wouldn't buy a ticket to see my middle aged band. I think society at large is now much more willing to pay more money for entertainment than we did in the seventies. People didn't fly across the country or continents to see a concert. There were no VIP packages then. Reserved seating at concerts were generally two price ranges, one for floor and one for the other higher up seats. The person in the front row didn't pay any more than the guy in the last row on the floor. It mattered more when and where you bought your ticket.

So fast forward about four decades. Yes, I think ticket prices are quite high, but I paid to see my no longer middle aged band perform in Louisville in 2017 and thoroughly enjoyed it.

[YoungEaglesFan]

I'm going to one of the "Evening with the Eagles" dates in New Orleans. With all the extra fees added in (plus ticket insurance), my price came to about $250-260. It is in the range of other acts I've seen at the Smoothie King Center. Granted SKC is one of the smaller venues they are playing at. I'm sure the tickets would be priced higher if they were playing the Superdome.

I’ve seen a couple say that ticket prices were higher for stadiums but wouldn’t they be cheaper? With that many more seats there would be less competition to get in. Is there any numbers on this?

[Dawn]

i think what fans want is affordable luxury. To be able to buy a ticket in their price range and experience :yay:a live concert from a seat that isn't in the next zip code.

[Freypower]

FP - nobody is asking you to stay out of this thread - all views on the topic are welcome here, yours included. I'm just personally asking you not to be so negative about ME.

Chaim - I created this thread because there are so many posts about ticket prices and how unfair they are in 3.0, but I'm not going to debate in there. I do think it's a valid topic, though, for everyone to chime in on. Sorry you didn't like the way I phrased the original post. My view is clear - I think concert tickets are a luxury that people don't have a "right" to.

I actually thought this thread was going pretty well.

I apologise, except that my comments were directed at what you wrote, not at you personally, and it was in response to Delilah who quoted that line herself. Of course I should have let you answer it. But I didn't.

[WKMB55]

I am enjoying all of the thoughts and opinions on this thread very much. I hope it will continue in the manner in which it was intended.

My husband and I are boomers. Reading some of these comments made me remember how sometimes we didn't spend our money on things that were "wants" and not "needs" and saved it instead so we could enjoy some "fun" things now that we are retired.

[MaryCalifornia]

What I should have said in the original post instead of being "sarcastic":

"I don't want to pay that price and I refuse to"

or

"I literally don't have enough money to buy a ticket"

are entirely reasonable and logical responses to a disappointing situation and I think we all empathize and sympathize with anyone in these positions.

Criticizing the band for setting prices to concerts that routinely sell out is not a logical response - that's what I think. I know others disagree, obviously.
Maybe logic goes out the door when someone loves another's art so much and wants to participate. Not only do their shows sell out, I think the vast majority of attendees feel like they got their money's worth, even those Borderers who spend many hundreds of dollars for one seat feel like it was worth it.

The measuring tool for determining what is "too expensive" should not be comparisons to other live acts. The question should be, do you get what you pay for?

Fans calling the guys greedy just really irks me. There, I said it.

[Dawn]

Delilah--Of course the things you listed, food, clothing, housing, etc. were cheaper back then than they are now, but the increase in prices now are due mainly to inflation. My larger point was that in the 70's concerts were not the big events that they are now. They were just an activity that you did with friends, much like going to a movie, just a step above. Seeing a concert then didn't involve using your dad's credit card. I always had $5-$10 sitting around from babysitting jobs and could buy a concert ticket. I think prices exploded in 1994 with the Eagles leading the pack at the time. And yes, I think they counted on us boomers financing these big events. Personally, I had 3 young kids at the time and couldn't or wouldn't buy a ticket to see my middle aged band. I think society at large is now much more willing to pay more money for entertainment than we did in the seventies. People didn't fly across the country or continents to see a concert. There were no VIP packages then. Reserved seating at concerts were generally two price ranges, one for floor and one for the other higher up seats. The person in the front row didn't pay any more than the guy in the last row on the floor. It mattered more when and where you bought your ticket.

So fast forward about four decades. Yes, I think ticket prices are quite high, but I paid to see my no longer middle aged band perform in Louisville in 2017 and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Classic Rock festivals and concerts have become huge money makers and are primarily aimed at the baby boomer generation who are most likely to throw down their American Express credit card on expensive VIP Passes, gourmet food and wine and lots of merchandise. That being said it is clear they are also attracting younger fans who are intrigued by the music of their parents generation and wanting to experience it before it's too late but they are the minority.

Speaking of too late, anyone know the average age of the acts at the Classic East/West?

I know for Desert Trip 2016 it was 72. And the average age for the audience was 51.

Source
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-desert-trip-barrier-20161003-snap-story.html

[YoungEaglesFan]

Classic Rock festivals and concerts have become huge money makers and are primarily aimed at the baby boomer generation who are most likely to throw down their American Express credit card on expensive VIP Passes, gourmet food and wine and lots of merchandise. That being said it is clear they are also attracting younger fans who are intrigued by the music of their parents generation and wanting to experience it before it's too late but they are the minority.

Speaking of too late, anyone know the average age of the acts at the Classic East/West?

I know for Desert Trip 2016 it was 72. And the average age for the audience was 51.

Source
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-desert-trip-barrier-20161003-snap-story.html

From my experience the average age would probably be 45-55 ish. I was the youngest person I noticed there. There were some young adults but it was mostly the 40-70 range

[WKMB55]

It really irks me to, MaryCalifornia. First of all because I don't agree with it and in my opinion name calling is something that you shouldn't be doing past 2nd or 3rd grade because at that age you know what you are doing is both hurtful and wrong. Besides, who am I to judge their business decisions?

[Pippinwhite]

@YEF-- Watch who you're lumping into that "older adult" range! LOLOL. I'm only 49 and not quite in my dotage yet. Just crazy as a loon, that's all. ;)

[YoungEaglesFan]

@YEF-- Watch who you're lumping into that "older adult" range! LOLOL. I'm only 49 and not quite in my dotage yet. Just crazy as a loon, that's all. ;)

Oh don’t get me wrong pippin LOL, being young is definitely more of a personality thing than age. You’re still plenty young

[WalshFan88]

Besides, who am I to judge their business decisions?

The consumer...the person they are selling to, has every right to say how wrong it is and deny said product. I have no problem judging them, they are public figures, and it's a business trying to make money. Just like I wouldn't buy from a store that was bigotous or had a CEO that was racist. Same thing. When you are the one buying, you have every right to speak against it or review it if you did buy it. Much like the consumer is always right, the buyer will always have more rights to speak negatively of the seller, but a seller bashing a buyer will always work to their disadvantage. It may not be fair to them, but it's just how it is.

[My My]

I agree Dawn, that these concerts are aimed primarily at boomers, but find it interesting that the average age is 51. At 51, these people wouldn't have been old enough to see these "nostalgia" or legacy acts the first time around. Of course average age isn't the same as median age. I'm sure many younger fans brings down the average age. My youngest son, who is 28 has become Eagle obsessed in the last couple of years and attended the Eagles concert in Louisville with me. I saw several others who looked to be parent/child combinations. At least I hope that's what they were...Yikes!

[My My]

Pippin--I'm 10 years older than you, so I guess I'm well into my dotage...

[Dawn]

Well said WF88 could not agree more.

Second, Fan Power isn't just a catchy phrase. Fans are consumers. Concerts are a product, something bought and paid for with our hard earned money. I would imagine most fans who end up spending a small fortune on concert tickets would be just as happy GIVEN THE OPTION to have paid considerably less. Problem is there aren't alot of options. Affordable means the least desirable seats.

[sodascouts]

It really irks me to, MaryCalifornia. First of all because I don't agree with it and in my opinion name calling is something that you shouldn't be doing past 2nd or 3rd grade because at that age you know what you are doing is both hurtful and wrong.

It's a potential criticism Don himself recognized.

Don Henley: "It would just seem like greed or something."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/don-henley-says-the-eagles-are-done-it-was-always-glenn-freys-band/2016/11/28/ccd89a4a-aa6a-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html?utm_term=.b76121a86374

I can understand why such criticism of the band irks people. I can understand why one could perceive it as unfair.

However, to equate it with schoolyard name calling is rather reductive, IMHO. It is a criticism that has been leveled at them by more than a few people, and not just here on this board.


Besides, who am I to judge their business decisions?Their potential customer.

[Dawn]

I agree Dawn, that these concerts are aimed primarily at boomers, but find it interesting that the average age is 51. At 51, these people wouldn't have been old enough to see these "nostalgia" or legacy acts the first time around. Of course average age isn't the same as median age. I'm sure many younger fans brings down the average age. My youngest son, who is 28 has become Eagle obsessed in the last couple of years and attended the Eagles concert in Louisville with me. I saw several others who looked to be parent/child combinations. At least I hope that's what they were...Yikes!

I think the band picked up younger fans during the HFO tour and even the HOTE tour and are now appealing to a wider country music audience. I don't know.

[Pippinwhite]

@MyMy -- :lol:

Love that line from "Fried Green Tomatoes": "I'm old and I have more insurance."

[Dawn]

@MyMy -- :lol:

Love that line from "Fried Green Tomatoes": "I'm old and I have more insurance."

LOL! Great movie, great scene! Loved the cast!

[WKMB55]

I don't judge a lot of businesses with regard to prices. I do judge them if I think they are harming our environment or our most vulnerable citizens. Its always been pretty easy for me....if I don't want to pay the price that is being asked then I don't become a customer. No judgement, no criticism, and no sale.

I don't care how many adults in life resort to name calling. It doesn't make it right or acceptable. I did not say nor did I mean to imply that it was happening on or was exclusive to this board. Almost everywhere you look today--in the news or on the internet-- there is a disproportionate amount of name calling among adults and I will personally always find it disturbing and distasteful.

Maybe others assessment about the band and greed contains some truth and maybe it doesn't. In the absence of any actual facts or proof, (all there are to offer are opinions) it irks me that people have labeled them as greedy. We all know that sometimes what someone perceives as the "truth" is not necessarily the actual "truth".

I hope that this thread will continue to be a place where everyone can freely express their thoughts and feelings about the ticket prices. It has been very informative and enjoyable to read. I'll miss not seeing the future comments as I will be leaving in the morning for a month of traveling to various locations to spend time with loved ones--which also means a welcomed break from social media as well.

[maryc2130]

The consumer...the person they are selling to, has every right to say how wrong it is and deny said product. I have no problem judging them, they are public figures, and it's a business trying to make money. Just like I wouldn't buy from a store that was bigotous or had a CEO that was racist. Same thing. When you are the one buying, you have every right to speak against it or review it if you did buy it. Much like the consumer is always right, the buyer will always have more rights to speak negatively of the seller, but a seller bashing a buyer will always work to their disadvantage. It may not be fair to them, but it's just how it is.

I'm sorry but I can't let this go by. They're being judged the same as racists because they have high ticket prices (which is the topic of the thread) or because they're continuing without Glenn? Either way, I can't even believe the comparison.

[My My]

Pippin--That's one of my favorite movie lines of all time! I've thought it in my head during various situations. It's my "Don't mess with me" mantra!

WKMB55--Have a great trip and safe travels.

[UndertheWire]

The most I'd accuse them of is being detached. That the tickets are selling demonstrates that they are affordable for a large enough part of the population to make it worth their while. If anyone is choosing to spend money on luxuries rather than essentials, that's their own problem.

[New Kid In Town]

The most I'd accuse them of is being detached. That the tickets are selling demonstrates that they are affordable for a large enough part of the population to make it worth their while.

UTW - I agree. If people would not buy those high priced tickets then they would be forced to lower the price. As long as people keep buying them at that price then they will keep selling them at those high prices.

[quote=WKMB55 Maybe others assessment about the band and greed contains some truth and maybe it doesn't. In the absence of any actual facts or proof, (all there are to offer are opinions) it irks me that people have labeled them as greedy. We all know that sometimes what someone perceives as the "truth" is not necessarily the actual "truth".

WKNB55 - The Eagles were the first group/singer to charge the highest price of $100.00 per ticket when they re-grouped for HFO in 1994. That was when the average price for a concert was around $35.00. The Eagles were torn apart by the press and called greedy by the press. This is the "truth". You can google it all if you so choose to. I paid $75.00 for my ticket which was the second highest price. I chose to pay that price because I had not been to a concert in a long time and I was a big Eagles fan since the beginning. Fans were led to believe it would be a limited tour and if you did not see them then, you would never see them in concert again. I'm sorry if it offends you, but I feel it is greedy to charge $1,640.00 for one front row ticket. The Eagles started the high ticket prices and now groups such as the RS also charge high prices for their tickets. I realize the days of paying $35.00 - $50.00 for these groups is long gone but they do not need to charge the high prices they do. Just my opinion.

[buffyfan145]

Being from the Millennial generation I agree a lot of us like myself grew up as children of Eagles fans so we've always knew their music. Other friends of mine who weren't got into them because of their huge influence on today's country music. As for their concert here in Columbus it is the "Evening with the Eagles" one and the cheapest was still well over $100. For my family and I it's just too much for all of us to go and I think it being so close to Christmas too impacted this as we were even talking about not getting each other gifts to afford it but realized that just felt wrong. Maybe it's because I'm used to going to more affordable concerts based on the current music I listen to but a lot of my generation doesn't like how these classic rock artists and some current pop ones cost too much, when we know our parents and in some cases grandparents could easily afford to see them decades ago (except for mine with the Eagles but that was because they were still young teens in the 70s).

[Dawn]

I look at it this way: Fans are going to be paying alot of money to see a band that historically has charged alot of money to see them on tour.

Nothing has changed. Except the band. It's not the Eagles.

Is it worth it?

For me, the answer is a simple one. No.

Others feel differently. And that's okay. But let's not pretend. Glenn Frey didn't quit or take a vacation. He died.

Without him, participants are seeing a different band, a different sound, a different experience.

[Freypower]

What I should have said in the original post instead of being "sarcastic":

"I don't want to pay that price and I refuse to"

or

"I literally don't have enough money to buy a ticket"

are entirely reasonable and logical responses to a disappointing situation and I think we all empathize and sympathize with anyone in these positions.

Criticizing the band for setting prices to concerts that routinely sell out is not a logical response - that's what I think. I know others disagree, obviously.
Maybe logic goes out the door when someone loves another's art so much and wants to participate. Not only do their shows sell out, I think the vast majority of attendees feel like they got their money's worth, even those Borderers who spend many hundreds of dollars for one seat feel like it was worth it.

The measuring tool for determining what is "too expensive" should not be comparisons to other live acts. The question should be, do you get what you pay for?

Fans calling the guys greedy just really irks me. There, I said it.

If you think this version of the 'Eagles' is adequate, then I suppose you are 'getting what you paid for'. If you don't think it's the real band any more, then the high prices can no longer be justified.

I have already said that I no longer thought the prices were 'worth it' even in 2015. I had already decided I would not be seeing them again.

Saying that it's OK to say you can't afford it or you won't pay it but it's not OK to criticise the people who are setting those prices makes no sense at all. There is more to it than saying 'well, I won't go'. It comes down to whether the product being sold is worth the money. In my view it is not.

[Delilah]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to cause a brouhaha when I re-stated the OP’s question. It just seemed no one was answering it. However it was stated, I do not agree its a foregone conclusion that supporters of the current line-up would respond, “no way, they’re not greedy!” I actually believe they are being a little greedy. I qualify that b/c I don’t know how much the band members control ticket prices (and “members” does not include Azoff). And I don’t use the term with disgust or contempt but more with tired resignation. Also, they are being no more greedy than they were in 1994 or 2001 or 2013. Why is it such a point of contention now? I confess I have not read every thread on this board but I do not recall such vexing over ticket prices in past concert discussions.

It bothers me that they don’t make some attempts to economize for the sake of their fans. Why not shed some of the excess backing musicians? Like Steuart Smith; Vince Gill could learn his parts. I guess ticket buyers are paying for their retirement too.


Delilah--Of course the things you listed, food, clothing, housing, etc. were cheaper back then than they are now, but the increase in prices now are due mainly to inflation. My larger point was that in the 70's concerts were not the big events that they are now. They were just an activity that you did with friends, much like going to a movie, just a step above. Seeing a concert then didn't involve using your dad's credit card. I always had $5-$10 sitting around from babysitting jobs and could buy a concert ticket. I think prices exploded in 1994 with the Eagles leading the pack at the time. And yes, I think they counted on us boomers financing these big events. Personally, I had 3 young kids at the time and couldn't or wouldn't buy a ticket to see my middle aged band. I think society at large is now much more willing to pay more money for entertainment than we did in the seventies. People didn't fly across the country or continents to see a concert. There were no VIP packages then. Reserved seating at concerts were generally two price ranges, one for floor and one for the other higher up seats. The person in the front row didn't pay any more than the guy in the last row on the floor. It mattered more when and where you bought your ticket.

So fast forward about four decades. Yes, I think ticket prices are quite high, but I paid to see my no longer middle aged band perform in Louisville in 2017 and thoroughly enjoyed it.

Thank you for your post, My My; I get it now. The part I bolded nails it—back then it seems most people weren’t that extravagant, for lack of a better word.

[Delilah]

It's a potential criticism Don himself recognized.

Don Henley: "It would just seem like greed or something."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/don-henley-says-the-eagles-are-done-it-was-always-glenn-freys-band/2016/11/28/ccd89a4a-aa6a-11e6-977a-1030f822fc35_story.html?utm_term=.b76121a86374


In the article Henley was referring to the concept of continuing the band without Glenn, not ticket prices. I would be interested to know if he himself thinks their ticket prices are too high, and if charging so much is due to greed. My guess is he would say, No.

[WalshFan88]

I'm sorry but I can't let this go by. They're being judged the same as racists because they have high ticket prices (which is the topic of the thread) or because they're continuing without Glenn? Either way, I can't even believe the comparison.

I was stating reasons why I wouldn't buy from a seller. Not saying they are on the same level, but they are both reaons why I wouldn't buy from them. At all. Continuing without Glenn (which is a no-no) is bad enough and enough for me to say no thanks, but keep the prices the same or higher, that's just insulting to a Glenn fan, honestly. I could give a few reasons why I wouldn't buy something from a company, those were just the most profound reasons I could think of then.

[Freypower]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to cause a brouhaha when I re-stated the OP’s question. It just seemed no one was answering it. However it was stated, I do not agree its a foregone conclusion that supporters of the current line-up would respond, “no way, they’re not greedy!” I actually believe they are being a little greedy. I qualify that b/c I don’t know how much the band members control ticket prices (and “members” does not include Azoff). And I don’t use the term with disgust or contempt but more with tired resignation. Also, they are being no more greedy than they were in 1994 or 2001 or 2013. Why is it such a point of contention now? I confess I have not read every thread on this board but I do not recall such vexing over ticket prices in past concert discussions.

It bothers me that they don’t make some attempts to economize for the sake of their fans. Why not shed some of the excess backing musicians? Like Steuart Smith; Vince Gill could learn his parts. I guess ticket buyers are paying for their retirement too.



Thank you for your post, My My; I get it now. The part I bolded nails it—back then it seems most people weren’t that extravagant, for lack of a better word.

Because it is no longer the Eagles.

[WalshFan88]

Because it is no longer the Eagles.

Exactly. You are paying the same if not more for LESS.

[Delilah]

Because it is no longer the Eagles.


Exactly. You are paying the same if not more for LESS.

The fans who are buying the tickets don’t agree. The fans and the critics who have actually seen them perform don’t agree. If it’s no longer the Eagles, why do you care how fans spend their money?

I would never pay money to see Journey with the fake Steve Perry (and I love Journey). Maybe b/c I was fortunate to see them in their 80s heyday. But I don’t harbor any ill will against the current Journey and I don’t really care if people want to pay good money to see them now.

[Freypower]

The fans who are buying the tickets don’t agree. The fans and the critics who have actually seen them perform don’t agree. If it’s no longer the Eagles, why do you care how fans spend their money?

I would never pay money to see Journey with the fake Steve Perry (and I love Journey). Maybe b/c I was fortunate to see them in their 80s heyday. But I don’t harbor any ill will against the current Journey and I don’t really care if people want to pay good money to see them now.

Once again, I do not accept that because 'fans' and 'critics' call them the 'Eagles' that means I have to do the same.

You ask why I care?

I care, because all these people of whom you speak, the survivors included, are giving the impression that Glenn Frey meant nothing to any of them. The survivors are happy to give the fans second or third best. The fans apparently aren't bothered that he's gone. That is why I care. What has happened has been a downgrading, a cheapening of what the Eagles used to be. It's easy for me to just shrug my shoulders, I suppose, and I guess I will do that as time goes by. I would however have preferred to remember them as they were than by seeing this cheap imitation being paraded around.

[WalshFan88]

The fans who are buying the tickets don’t agree. The fans and the critics who have actually seen them perform don’t agree. If it’s no longer the Eagles, why do you care how fans spend their money?

I would never pay money to see Journey with the fake Steve Perry (and I love Journey). Maybe b/c I was fortunate to see them in their 80s heyday. But I don’t harbor any ill will against the current Journey and I don’t really care if people want to pay good money to see them now.

Because it feels wrong. It is wrong, to those that care to sit down and have a think on it. That's all the further I'm going to go with this. It's clear how we feel.

Let them pay to see a watered-down Eagles. I don't really care what they like or what they do. If they like it, may they have a good time. It's the people in the "band" now, that I'm not happy with. The people responsible for this, IMO, fraud.

No Glenn = No Eagles. You can't take the most important member or at the very least one of the two most important members of a band away and it be the same.

For me, I love Journey. But there was a Journey before Steve. As much as it wasn't anywhere near as good. The founder of the band is king, in my book. Not the person who made them famous. For me, Neal Schon is that guy, along with a few others. It's who broke the ground and sought all the other members. Which is why I will always stick by Neal even in recent news of him and Jonathan Cain being on the outs, I side by Neal. Jonathan was NOT an original member. Period.

[Delilah]

Once again, I do not accept that because 'fans' and 'critics' call them the 'Eagles' that means I have to do the same.

You ask why I care?

I care, because all these people of whom you speak, the survivors included, are giving the impression that Glenn Frey meant nothing to any of them. The survivors are happy to give the fans second or third best. The fans apparently aren't bothered that he's gone. That is why I care. What has happened has been a downgrading, a cheapening of what the Eagles used to be. It's easy for me to just shrug my shoulders, I suppose, and I guess I will do that as time goes by. I would however have preferred to remember them as they were than by seeing this cheap imitation being paraded around.

I am sorry you believe the fans, critics, and survivors are giving the impression that Glenn means nothing. I do not believe that to be the case at all. I cannot recall a recent review or interview or band activity e.g. the Opry concert where Glenn’s name was not invoked. I disagree that fans aren’t bothered that he’s gone. I listen to the concert clips from the past year and he is very much missed. Especially when I compare them to the ‘76 live concert cd. However the others have something to offer too, and fans willing to pay high ticket prices to see them to me doesn’t translate to them not being bothered by Glenn’s absence.

When I think of Journey, I remember them as they were back then. I give little thought to what they are doing now (I’m not saying the situations are exactly the same, just that on some level they are similar).

[YoungEaglesFan]

If you think this version of the 'Eagles' is adequate, then I suppose you are 'getting what you paid for'. If you don't think it's the real band any more, then the high prices can no longer be justified.

I have already said that I no longer thought the prices were 'worth it' even in 2015. I had already decided I would not be seeing them again.

Saying that it's OK to say you can't afford it or you won't pay it but it's not OK to criticise the people who are setting those prices makes no sense at all. There is more to it than saying 'well, I won't go'. It comes down to whether the product being sold is worth the money. In my view it is not.

I applaud this because if you don’t believe the prices are worth it, fans like you who decide not to go are important. If there were more fans like you prices would finally come down

[New Kid In Town]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to cause a brouhaha when I re-stated the OP’s question. It just seemed no one was answering it. However it was stated, I do not agree its a foregone conclusion that supporters of the current line-up would respond, “no way, they’re not greedy!” I actually believe they are being a little greedy. I qualify that b/c I don’t know how much the band members control ticket prices (and “members” does not include Azoff). And I don’t use the term with disgust or contempt but more with tired resignation. Also, they are being no more greedy than they were in 1994 or 2001 or 2013. Why is it such a point of contention now? I confess I have not read every thread on this board but I do not recall such vexing over ticket prices in past concert discussions.

It bothers me that they don’t make some attempts to economize for the sake of their fans. Why not shed some of the excess backing musicians? Like Steuart Smith; Vince Gill could learn his parts. I guess ticket buyers are paying for their retirement too.

Thank you for your post, My My; I get it now. The part I bolded nails it—back then it seems most people weren’t that extravagant, for lack of a better word.

Delilah - I agree with the statement I bolded. We know the Eagles were always about money from day one. Back in the 70's I think they did not charged any more than any other band. They could not have gotten away with it then. I have read most of these threads but not all of them. I have seen people complain about the price of tickets. Just not as much as now that Glenn is gone.
The Eagles took all kinds of crap when the re-united in 94 and started the beginning of high ticket prices. They were heavily criticized by the media and fans for those high prices, and rightfully so. They were charging a top price of $100 when the average ticket price was appx. $35.00. Not only myself, but numerous friends had want to see them in the HOTE tour. They could not afford the tickets. These are people who had kids in college - in some cases two kids at the same time. They could not afford to spend $500(or more) on two tickets. It also bothers me that they don’t make some attempts to economize for the sake of their fans. At this point in time I don't think they can get rid of the backing musicians as they all take a heavy load off Don, Joe and Tim. As long as people keep paying those high prices they will keep charging them. The Classic concerts showed what happens when people refuse to pay those crazy prices. The ticket prices were dropped and single day tickets were sold.

[Dawn]

Delilah - I agree with the statement I bolded. We know the Eagles were always about money from day one. Back in the 70's I think they did not charged any more than any other band. They could not have gotten away with it then. I have read most of these threads but not all of them. I have seen people complain about the price of tickets. Just not as much as now that Glenn is gone.
The Eagles took all kinds of crap when the re-united in 94 and started the beginning of high ticket prices. They were heavily criticized by the media and fans for those high prices, and rightfully so. They were charging a top price of $100 when the average ticket price was appx. $35.00. Not only myself, but numerous friends had want to see them in the HOTE tour. They could not afford the tickets. These are people who had kids in college - in some cases two kids at the same time. They could not afford to spend $500(or more) on two tickets. It also bothers me that they don’t make some attempts to economize for the sake of their fans. At this point in time I don't think they can get rid of the backing musicians as they all take a heavy load off Don, Joe and Tim. As long as people keep paying those high prices they will keep charging them. The Classic concerts showed what happens when people refuse to pay those crazy prices. The ticket prices were dropped and single day tickets were sold.

I would imagine the price tag attached to Vince Gill and Deacon Frey as 2017-2018 touring members of the band could be one of the reasons why tickets are as high as they are. Cost of doing business and all that passed along to the consumer aka Fans. I really don't know. Vince Gill is an established big name artist whereas Deacon, though a talented singer and guitarist was added primarily because of his last name and the fact he is Glenn's son.

[maryc2130]

A local radio station stated that the Eagles were adding a second show in Boston because the first one was sold out. Looking for seats, it's not sold out but it is selling pretty well, so I guess many fans think the tickets are worth the high prices.

There could be a curiosity factor involved. People have probably heard of these "new Eagles" and possibly read some of the good reviews and wonder if they're really any good. Also, I know some people here won't like this, but it's probably the only chance fans have of attending a tribute to Glenn. The people around my seat at Classic East seemed very moved by Deacon and the words of tribute to Glenn.

[Dawn]

Certain venues will sell better than others. The Jimmy Buffet Co-Headliner show should do very well though Jimmy does @ 30 shows a year, nearly every year, the parrotheads are nothing if not extremely loyal. I am wondering when they are going to announce their European tour.

[Freypower]

A local radio station stated that the Eagles were adding a second show in Boston because the first one was sold out. Looking for seats, it's not sold out but it is selling pretty well, so I guess many fans think the tickets are worth the high prices.

There could be a curiosity factor involved. People have probably heard of these "new Eagles" and possibly read some of the good reviews and wonder if they're really any good. Also, I know some people here won't like this, but it's probably the only chance fans have of attending a tribute to Glenn. The people around my seat at Classic East seemed very moved by Deacon and the words of tribute to Glenn.

I don't see these shows as tributes to Glenn at all. A couple of words is not a tribute, no matter who is uttering them. A tribute would consist of people doing his songs, Eagles & solo, not other Eagles songs sung by the other Eagles. A proper tribute might even actually involve Henley, Schmit & Walsh talking about Glenn instead of leaving it entirely to his poor son.

I say again that if they had made an effort to do a proper tribute show, I would feel far less bitter towards them than I do.

[YoungEaglesFan]

I don't see these shows as tributes to Glenn at all. A couple of words is not a tribute, no matter who is uttering them. A tribute would consist of people doing his songs, Eagles & solo, not other Eagles songs sung by the other Eagles. A proper tribute might even actually involve Henley, Schmit & Walsh talking about Glenn instead of leaving it entirely to his poor son.

I say again that if they had made an effort to do a proper tribute show, I would feel far less bitter towards them than I do.

I think don speaks some about Glenn but I don’t think joe and Tim talk about him at all. It’s a shame

[Ive always been a dreamer]

I''m finally getting a chance to weigh in here. My apologies, in advance, for such a lengthy post, but I am lagging behind here and had a lot of territory to cover. I found an old thread on this same topic that ran from 2008 – 2010 here:

https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2229

If you read through the thread, you can see that there was a lot of criticism of the band about ticket prices. This is the one thread that I could locate quickly, but I know for sure there are numerous others where the topic has been discussed/debated over the years. While I never liked the amount the band’s exorbitant ticket prices, I still willingly supported them and attended several dozen shows between 2003 – 2015. So, as a hardcore fan who loved these guys and their music, and was willing to pay handsomely to see them, I was, obviously part of the demand. However, I totally respect and understand people who didn't feel the same way as I did. Below is one of my posts that I located in the thread that pretty much sums up how I feel about the topic …


I have read several articles in the past few years that indicate that, unlike the ‘old’ days, touring is where the money is rather than record (or download) sales these days. But, either way, we fans have to pay for our commodity. I guess the music industry could lower ticket prices, but then, we’d probably see a significant increase in the cost of a CD or download.

Like everyone here, I don’t like the cost of Eagles tickets either, but I do think that they are proportionate to the band’s ‘status’ as one of the top bands in the world. The bottom line is that the price that we have to pay for any type of entertainment today is way out of control. I guess the argument here is that it is not a necessity so, by and large, the public chooses to pay these prices. Again – back to the supply/demand thing. I know many of you don’t agree with me, and I appreciate that, but I don’t blame anyone in the entertainment industry for charging the maximum price that the market will bear, especially since the commodity is a ‘want’ rather than a ‘need’. Most all of us do the exact same thing in our personal lives, albeit on a much smaller scale. If I want to purchase a home or a vehicle, I want to pay the lowest possible price. On the other hand, when I look for a job, I try to demand the highest possible salary.

Now, as soda mentioned earlier in this thread, what I do think is scandalous is the practice of selling tickets in the so-called ‘secondary’ markets. As far as I am concerned, this is scalping your own tickets and is beyond being unfair. I’ll just repeat what I said in another thread - Irving can claim as much as he wants that Ticketmaster does not "give brokers any preferential access to tickets", but how is it that the best tickets ALWAYS end up in their hands. When was the last time any fan brought up a 1st row ticket the moment the tickets went on sale? And don't hand us this crap about how 1st row seats are held and not put up for sale to the general pubic - if that's the case, how do they get in the hands of brokers who turn around and resell them (in some cases through TicketsNow) for thousands of dollars a piece???

And while I'm on my rant, I may as well bring up ILAA - Irving's other pet project. It turned my stomach to see those 5-star packages with the signed guitar and M&G with Joe being sold for + or - $5.000 last year. The only good news is that it apparently totally flopped. I’m betting that these 'Joe Walsh experiences' won't be offered in the future. The public put their foot down and said ‘no way’ – a small victory, but a victory nonetheless.

Free enterprise – you gotta love it!

So, the question has been raised in this thread is what has changed? Speaking for myself, I still stand by exactly what I wrote in that post. However, I am simply no longer willing to pay to go to a show, even though I understand and fully respect that others may. I am one that just does not believe the current line-up legitimately represents the Eagles when ½ of the original duo that wrote and sang the band’s most memorable and successful music is missing from the lineup.

Another thing I believe has changed over the last 20 years is the increasingly disproportionate distribution of wealth in the U.S. – reportedly, as of 2014, the richest 1 percent of our population has more income than the bottom 90 percent. So while demand for the shows may remain high, there is no doubt that there is a shrinking middle class and certainly not the same demographics that attended shows in the 70’s, 80’s, or even the 90’s. When much of the today’s middle class can barely afford necessities, much less the luxury of attending a concert, it’s little wonder to me that this raises increased questions of ethics and unfairness around the pricing issue.

Finally, the other difference that I noticed while browsing through that old thread is that even though there were lots of disagreements expressed between members, in spite of that, the discussion remained very civil and respectful. What I find very discouraging about our current environment here is the diminished tolerance and respect for differing opinions and viewpoints. Without getting political, perhaps this divisiveness here is just a reflection of our society today. So, I submit that we need to all keep in mind that just because some folks criticize the band, that doesn’t make them fan-haters. One doesn’t have to display blind adulation to be considered a fan – just a love and appreciation for the music these amazingly talented men created should be the only requirement.

[Magnolia]

I''m finally getting a chance to weigh in here. My apologies, in advance, for such a lengthy post, but I am lagging behind here and had a lot of territory to cover. I found an old thread on this same topic that ran from 2008 – 2010 here:

https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2229

If you read through the thread, you can see that there was a lot of criticism of the band about ticket prices. This is the one thread that I could locate quickly, but I know for sure there are numerous others where the topic has been discussed/debated over the years. While I never liked the amount the band’s exorbitant ticket prices, I still willingly supported them and attended several dozen shows between 2003 – 2015. So, as a hardcore fan who loved these guys and their music, and was willing to pay handsomely to see them, I was, obviously part of the demand. However, I totally respect and understand people who didn't feel the same way as I did. Below is one of my posts that I located in the thread that pretty much sums up how I feel about the topic …



So, the question has been raised in this thread is what has changed? Speaking for myself, I still stand by exactly what I wrote in that post. However, I am simply no longer willing to pay to go to a show, even though I understand and fully respect that others may. I am one that just does not believe the current line-up legitimately represents the Eagles when ½ of the original duo that wrote and sang the band’s most memorable and successful music is missing from the lineup.

Another thing I believe has changed over the last 20 years is the increasingly disproportionate distribution of wealth in the U.S. – reportedly, as of 2014, the richest 1 percent of our population has more income than the bottom 90 percent. So while demand for the shows may remain high, there is no doubt that there is a shrinking middle class and certainly not the same demographics that attended shows in the 70’s, 80’s, or even the 90’s. When much of the today’s middle class can barely afford necessities, much less the luxury of attending a concert, it’s little wonder to me that this raises increased questions of ethics and unfairness around the pricing issue.

Finally, the other difference that I noticed while browsing through that old thread is that even though there were lots of disagreements expressed between members, in spite of that, the discussion remained very civil and respectful. What I find very discouraging about our current environment here is the diminished tolerance and respect for differing opinions and viewpoints. Without getting political, perhaps this divisiveness here is just a reflection of our society today. So, I submit that we need to all keep in mind that just because some folks criticize the band, that doesn’t make them fan-haters. One doesn’t have to display blind adulation to be considered a fan – just a love and appreciation for the music these amazingly talented men created should be the only requirement.

:applause::applause::applause:
Beautifully said Dreamer. We are all fans of the music first and foremost.

[New Kid In Town]

I''m finally getting a chance to weigh in here. My apologies, in advance, for such a lengthy post, but I am lagging behind here and had a lot of territory to cover. I found an old thread on this same topic that ran from 2008 – 2010 here:

https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2229

If you read through the thread, you can see that there was a lot of criticism of the band about ticket prices. This is the one thread that I could locate quickly, but I know for sure there are numerous others where the topic has been discussed/debated over the years. While I never liked the amount the band’s exorbitant ticket prices, I still willingly supported them and attended several dozen shows between 2003 – 2015. So, as a hardcore fan who loved these guys and their music, and was willing to pay handsomely to see them, I was, obviously part of the demand. However, I totally respect and understand people who didn't feel the same way as I did. Below is one of my posts that I located in the thread that pretty much sums up how I feel about the topic …



So, the question has been raised in this thread is what has changed? Speaking for myself, I still stand by exactly what I wrote in that post. However, I am simply no longer willing to pay to go to a show, even though I understand and fully respect that others may. I am one that just does not believe the current line-up legitimately represents the Eagles when ½ of the original duo that wrote and sang the band’s most memorable and successful music is missing from the lineup.

Another thing I believe has changed over the last 20 years is the increasingly disproportionate distribution of wealth in the U.S. – reportedly, as of 2014, the richest 1 percent of our population has more income than the bottom 90 percent. So while demand for the shows may remain high, there is no doubt that there is a shrinking middle class and certainly not the same demographics that attended shows in the 70’s, 80’s, or even the 90’s. When much of the today’s middle class can barely afford necessities, much less the luxury of attending a concert, it’s little wonder to me that this raises increased questions of ethics and unfairness around the pricing issue.

Finally, the other difference that I noticed while browsing through that old thread is that even though there were lots of disagreements expressed between members, in spite of that, the discussion remained very civil and respectful. What I find very discouraging about our current environment here is the diminished tolerance and respect for differing opinions and viewpoints. Without getting political, perhaps this divisiveness here is just a reflection of our society today. So, I submit that we need to all keep in mind that just because some folks criticize the band, that doesn’t make them fan-haters. One doesn’t have to display blind adulation to be considered a fan – just a love and appreciation for the music these amazingly talented men created should be the only requirement.

Amen !

[Pippinwhite]

Absolutely, Dreamer. We can and should always keep things civil and respectful. Even when we have strong opinions, we can be kind to each other. It doesn't cost a dime, but it reaps great rewards.

[maryc2130]

I don't see these shows as tributes to Glenn at all. A couple of words is not a tribute, no matter who is uttering them. A tribute would consist of people doing his songs, Eagles & solo, not other Eagles songs sung by the other Eagles. A proper tribute might even actually involve Henley, Schmit & Walsh talking about Glenn instead of leaving it entirely to his poor son.

I say again that if they had made an effort to do a proper tribute show, I would feel far less bitter towards them than I do.

I understand what you're saying, and I agree that they could do more, but being at the concert made me feel that they were honoring Glenn's memory, albeit in a limited way. My point was that it may be the only tribute there is. (I hope that's not true, but it definitely seems possible at this point.) The fans at the concert seemed touched by it, and if fans want to participate in or be at any kind of a tribute, these concerts may be the only chance they have. I'm just putting it forward as another possible reasons some fans may buy tickets.

[MaryCalifornia]

Hi Dreamer! It's so good to hear from you! I hope you're well, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

[MaryCalifornia]

Dreamer -

Of course people can criticize the band members, that has been happening since I joined this board and probably since the very beginning. It is the very lifeblood of this board, I say! :hilarious:

I do believe its fair to debate the merits of the particular criticism, though, and whether it is warranted. Sometimes the criticism stems from perceptions of the situation that aren't based on facts or reality, but are based in emotion and anger. It's hard to let those criticisms pass without questioning them. Everyone on here should be able to express their emotions and receive unconditional commiseration and support. But when those emotions are turned around and projected as bad behavior by the guys, I question it.

To me, the sad thing is that all of these wonderful things are happening now for the guys (note I'm not saying the Eagles, I don't care what we call them) I mean Don, Tim and Joe - the epic radio channel the content of which is 99% pre-Glenn's death, the tour, who knows what else to come, and fans on here cannot celebrate these things and reject them outright as not being legitimate - I don't even know what that means. This is what I mean by reality vs. emotion. I never thought I'd see that here.

I think that is the very fundamental underlying issue that results in the tone you are noticing, and it is so unfortunate. But, there has always been pretty heated debate here (usually relating to Felder LOL)

[Dawn]

Great post Dreamer - thank you very much for sharing your insight both in the past and now. I found your thoughts to be extremely interesting and quite helpful.

FWIW I read the entire thread you linked and found myself wishing I had joined Borderers earlier because it's clear I missed out on some important convos and events.

Alas, better late than never!

Thanks again! :yay::rockon: :D

[Dawn]

I think all the post Glenn Frey things happening is to be expected.

Just keeping it real ... the band has a major 2018 tour commitment with MORE dates to be announced. Clearly the machine is on full speed.

[Freypower]

Dreamer -

Of course people can criticize the band members, that has been happening since I joined this board and probably since the very beginning. It is the very lifeblood of this board, I say! :hilarious:

I do believe its fair to debate the merits of the particular criticism, though, and whether it is warranted. Sometimes the criticism stems from perceptions of the situation that aren't based on facts or reality, but are based in emotion and anger. It's hard to let those criticisms pass without questioning them. Everyone on here should be able to express their emotions and receive unconditional commiseration and support. But when those emotions are turned around and projected as bad behavior by the guys, I question it.

To me, the sad thing is that all of these wonderful things are happening now for the guys (note I'm not saying the Eagles, I don't care what we call them) I mean Don, Tim and Joe - the epic radio channel the content of which is 99% pre-Glenn's death, the tour, who knows what else to come, and fans on here cannot celebrate these things and reject them outright as not being legitimate - I don't even know what that means. This is what I mean by reality vs. emotion. I never thought I'd see that here.

I think that is the very fundamental underlying issue that results in the tone you are noticing, and it is so unfortunate. But, there has always been pretty heated debate here (usually relating to Felder LOL)

Once again, repeat ad nauseam.... these allegedly 'wonderful' things are not legitimate because this band is no longer the Eagles. So yes, I reject all of it. So you can say you don't care what we call them. THEY are calling themselves 'Eagles' which I reject.

I think it's interesting that you feel the side you support deals in 'facts' and 'reality' while the other side deals in 'emotion & anger'. You therefore feel that because we are 'emotional' our arguments have no validity. While I note Dreamer's comments above, I take strong exception to this.

To me, of course, it's the opposite. My side deals with the reality that these men are continuing an operation which I believed was finished. My side also deals with the reality that Glenn Frey is dead & apparently receding into the past every day with no effort being made to keep his memory alive.

So keep your 'reality' because I want no part of it. No, thank you, as somebody once said. Nobody is stopping you from continuing to follow them and enjoying whatever is to come, as you put it.

[MaryCalifornia]

with no effort being made to keep his memory alive.



No effort by who? His family? His friends? His bandmates? Fans? How can you say this about people you don't know? How do you know what they are doing? What effort would you want to see happening to keep his memory alive?

This is what I object to - a blanket statement denigrating other's actions or inaction with no supporting facts. Yes, we know they haven't had a proper tribute concert on your timeline. That is not something that would keep his memory alive, it is a one-time show.

[Freypower]

No effort by who? His family? His friends? His bandmates? Fans? How can you say this about people you don't know? How do you know what they are doing? What effort would you want to see happening to keep his memory alive?

This is what I object to - a blanket statement denigrating other's actions or inaction with no supporting facts. Yes, we know they haven't had a proper tribute concert on your timeline. That is not something that would keep his memory alive, it is a one-time show.

Actually, as I have said on numerous occasions, a tribute show, a one time show, would have satisfied me. Really, that's all I wanted. Contrary to how you may perceive me, I don't want those involved to be endlessly mourning. Life goes on. If they had made one grand gesture, as I said in a previous post, perhaps I could have accepted the rest of it.

[sodascouts]

One doesn’t have to display blind adulation to be considered a fan – just a love and appreciation for the music these amazingly talented men created should be the only requirement.

Amen, Dreamer!

I am, and always will be, an Eagles fan.

I have been one of the people willing to shell out ridiculous amounts of money in the past to see the Eagles. And it was worth every penny.

[sodascouts]

FWIW I read the entire thread you linked and found myself wishing I had joined Borderers earlier because it's clear I missed out on some important convos and events.

Just took a quick glance at the old thread (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2229) and read my post from 2009, where I'm all pissed off that the best (non-VIP) tickets now cost $216!

Reading it now is both funny and sad.

As I mentioned earlier, though, it is interesting to note that there has obviously been a big change in how this band feels comfortable constructing their pricing tiers, when you compare this tour to the Eagles' HOTE. Terribly ironic.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Dreamer -

Of course people can criticize the band members, that has been happening since I joined this board and probably since the very beginning. It is the very lifeblood of this board, I say! :hilarious:

I do believe its fair to debate the merits of the particular criticism, though, and whether it is warranted. Sometimes the criticism stems from perceptions of the situation that aren't based on facts or reality, but are based in emotion and anger. It's hard to let those criticisms pass without questioning them. Everyone on here should be able to express their emotions and receive unconditional commiseration and support. But when those emotions are turned around and projected as bad behavior by the guys, I question it.

To me, the sad thing is that all of these wonderful things are happening now for the guys (note I'm not saying the Eagles, I don't care what we call them) I mean Don, Tim and Joe - the epic radio channel the content of which is 99% pre-Glenn's death, the tour, who knows what else to come, and fans on here cannot celebrate these things and reject them outright as not being legitimate - I don't even know what that means. This is what I mean by reality vs. emotion. I never thought I'd see that here.

I think that is the very fundamental underlying issue that results in the tone you are noticing, and it is so unfortunate. But, there has always been pretty heated debate here (usually relating to Felder LOL)

MC – Since you directed this post at me, I go ahead and give you my thoughts about your comments. There were some posts earlier in the thread where you and others complained about others calling the band ‘greedy’, so I’m assuming that is the criticism whose merits you wish to debate. Your complaint is that you feel that criticism ‘stems from perceptions of the situation that aren't based on facts or reality, but are based in emotion and anger’.

I get what you are saying and I even agree that our perceptions on this topic aren’t based on facts; however, I believe that applies to everyone on both sides of this discussion. To my way of thinking, any discussion about ticket prices and, by extension, the debate over whether fans choose to pay these prices has to be based solely on opinions and emotion because none of us are privy to facts or reality here. So should that preclude us from discussing our opinions about these situations? On this question, I agree with those that say it is entirely appropriate for fans to have opinions and judge the band as we are the consumers of their product. To specifically address the issue of greed, since we don’t know these men, the only facts that we are able to prove or disprove is that some believe the band is being greedy and others do not. These are unquestionably judgments based perception on all sides. But, as the old saying goes, ‘perception is reality’. What each of us perceives as being true often becomes more of a reality than if it is in fact true. Therefore, the only criticisms that bother me personally is when someone judges the band unfairly with a blatant disregard for known facts or posts designed solely for the purpose of trashing the band, upsetting fans, or being nasty and rude.

Honestly, I don’t recall any one telling other fans here that they cannot celebrate the band in its current incarnation. In fact, there are lots of active threads on the board to do just that where participation is, and should be, optional. My view is that most members have tried to be respectful and try not to be spoilers in those threads. The issue of legitimacy seems to be off-topic from the original subject of this thread, but I’ll go there since it has come up here. With regard to those of us who do not see this lineup as legitimate, that is based on emotion for sure. But, so are everyone’s opinions on this topic. Again, there are no facts to prove one side right or wrong – it’s just how we feel and that is the only justification for any of our viewpoints here. We are all entitled to our feelings. Speaking for myself, the emotions I feel the most are heartache, disappointment, and betrayal based on the comments and expectations the remaining band members set after Glenn’s death. But, to be totally honest, I can’t think of any scenario where I would be okay with the band continuing to tour or record as ‘Eagles’ without Glenn other than what I already mentioned in the 3.0 thread. I don’t want to belabor this or continue to derail this thread though because the reality is we will probably never agree about this. However, my hope is that we will all just respect that other’s feelings and perceptions are just as valid as our own and perhaps that will result in a more positive tone on the board.

[maryc2130]

That's very well said, Dreamer, and I like that you're reminding us to respect each other's views and play nice. LOL. We're all here because we love at least some combination of the Eagles, so we should have a common bond in that. However, because of that love, most of us have strong opinions here, and sometimes it's hard to keep anger at bay when someone else's viewpoint is completely opposite to ours and therefore, difficult to understand.

Personally, what makes me the most angry is when people make statements like, "Henley and Walsh (or Henley and Irving or the new Eagles] are greedy hypocrites." (Or something to that effect.) It's not that people have that opinion that bothers me, it's that they state it as though it were fact. I certainly respect people's rights to say what they feel, but I would rather they preceded their opinion with, "I think..." Maybe it's a small thing, but it still matters to me.

As I've said before, I don't argue with the fact that the Eagles care about money. That's nothing new, and at the very least, this has to be a profitable enterprise or it's not worth it. Some of the ticket prices are too high for the average fan, but that's supply and demand, and applies to most of the music industry, not just the Eagles.

With all of that said, however, I believe strongly that the Eagles 3.0 are doing this for other reasons besides money, as well. Joe and Deacon, at least, have said that it's therapeutic for them. In MHO, that comes across on stage and makes the ticket prices sting just a little less.

[MaryCalifornia]

To my way of thinking, any discussion about ticket prices and, by extension, the debate over whether fans choose to pay these prices has to be based solely on opinions and emotion because none of us are privy to facts or reality here.

But of course we are privy to the facts and reality regarding ticket prices and fans choosing to pay, this one is easy. The fans have paid since 1994, whatever the record-breaking prices of Eagles tickets. The shows sell out or come close, sometimes multiple nights in one venue. The logical conclusion is that the tickets aren't too expensive, they're just right - this is reality. Those who don't support this incarnation of the band will call them greedy for simply touring under the Eagles name, so the ticket prices are really irrelevant, right? If the top ticket price was $40, they'd still be greedy for using the name

Therefore, the only criticisms that bother me personally is when someone judges the band unfairly with a blatant disregard for known facts or posts designed solely for the purpose of trashing the band, upsetting fans, or being nasty and rude.

We agree on this, Dreamer.

Honestly, I don’t recall any one telling other fans here that they cannot celebrate the band in its current incarnation.

Agreed, this is not an issue for me

Speaking for myself, the emotions I feel the most are heartache, disappointment, and betrayal based on the comments and expectations the remaining band members set after Glenn’s death. But, to be totally honest, I can’t think of any scenario where I would be okay with the band continuing to tour or record as ‘Eagles’ without Glenn other than what I already mentioned in the 3.0 thread. .

I totally understand and respect this, Dreamer, because this is how you feel. No issues here. Thanks for your reply

Edit: Sorry, I'm not good at replying to multiple sentences in the same post - the sentences in bold are my responses to Dreamer!

[Ive always been a dreamer]

MC – We are, obviously, privy to the fact of the price of the tickets. But, by starting this thread, you were seeking opinions about the prices. You even stated in your opening post that ticket prices have been an issue since 1994. So, to me, it is very unfair to misinterpret the motives of some recent posters here by claiming ‘Those who don't support this incarnation of the band will call them greedy for simply touring under the Eagles name, so the ticket prices are really irrelevant, right? If the top ticket price was $40, they'd still be greedy for using the name.’ If you believe calling the band greedy is a result of this new incarnation, you should check out that thread from 2008 that I linked to earlier.

I also have to disagree that just because shows come close to selling out, that ‘the logical conclusion is that they are not too expensive – that they are just right’. I'm sorry, but if that is the only logical conclusion, then why even start this thread? Your logic implies that only the folks who purchase tickets decide if it was too expensive or not. You even stated in another post ‘Criticizing the band for setting prices to concerts that routinely sell out is not a logical response - that's what I think. I know others disagree, obviously’.

The reality is that those who choose not to go to a show or who want to go, but cannot afford it can have valid, logical conclusions too. We all use our perceptions, value systems, and personal life experiences and circumstances, etc. to form our opinions. Opinions should be based on fact … and the only real fact here is the price of tickets. In this case, we’re not ignoring the fact, but we are judging it to decide whether we choose to go to a show or not.

[sodascouts]

Personally, what makes me the most angry is when people make statements like, "Henley and Walsh (or Henley and Irving or the new Eagles] are greedy hypocrites." (Or something to that effect.) It's not that people have that opinion that bothers me, it's that they state it as though it were fact. I certainly respect people's rights to say what they feel, but I would rather they preceded their opinion with, "I think..." Maybe it's a small thing, but it still matters to me. .

Are you able to make your point using something that has actually been said in this thread? No one has actually said the sentence you "quote."

No one has called anyone a hypocrite in this thread.

If you're going to condemn posters here for something they have said in this thread, it matters that you get what they said right.

[Delilah]

I''m finally getting a chance to weigh in here. My apologies, in advance, for such a lengthy post, but I am lagging behind here and had a lot of territory to cover. I found an old thread on this same topic that ran from 2008 – 2010 here:

https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2229

If you read through the thread, you can see that there was a lot of criticism of the band about ticket prices. This is the one thread that I could locate quickly, but I know for sure there are numerous others where the topic has been discussed/debated over the years. While I never liked the amount the band’s exorbitant ticket prices, I still willingly supported them and attended several dozen shows between 2003 – 2015. So, as a hardcore fan who loved these guys and their music, and was willing to pay handsomely to see them, I was, obviously part of the demand. However, I totally respect and understand people who didn't feel the same way as I did. Below is one of my posts that I located in the thread that pretty much sums up how I feel about the topic …



Thank you for finding that link Dreamer; I stand corrected about past complaints regarding ticket prices. What is notably different is the lack of any sentiment being expressed that the Eagles should not be performing in the first place, nor using the Eagles name. I can only imagine the reaction if someone had chimed in repeatedly about how wrong the band is for continuing on (for whatever reason, without Felder, etc.).




Another thing I believe has changed over the last 20 years is the increasingly disproportionate distribution of wealth in the U.S. – reportedly, as of 2014, the richest 1 percent of our population has more income than the bottom 90 percent. So while demand for the shows may remain high, there is no doubt that there is a shrinking middle class and certainly not the same demographics that attended shows in the 70’s, 80’s, or even the 90’s. When much of the today’s middle class can barely afford necessities, much less the luxury of attending a concert, it’s little wonder to me that this raises increased questions of ethics and unfairness around the pricing issue.

Very good point.




Finally, the other difference that I noticed while browsing through that old thread is that even though there were lots of disagreements expressed between members, in spite of that, the discussion remained very civil and respectful. What I find very discouraging about our current environment here is the diminished tolerance and respect for differing opinions and viewpoints. Without getting political, perhaps this divisiveness here is just a reflection of our society today. So, I submit that we need to all keep in mind that just because some folks criticize the band, that doesn’t make them fan-haters. One doesn’t have to display blind adulation to be considered a fan – just a love and appreciation for the music these amazingly talented men created should be the only requirement.

This is a bit perplexing. While I agree with your post, I believe this thread discussion has been civil and respectful, and the OP made a point of saying everyone is welcome to express his or her views, so it’s not just a one-sided dialogue.

[sodascouts]

This is a bit perplexing. While I agree with your post, I believe this thread discussion has been civil and respectful, and the OP made a point of saying everyone is welcome to express his or her views, so it’s not just a one-sided dialogue.

In the old thread, nobody was told that their opinions irked people, or that using the word "greedy" was akin to schoolyard name-calling.... and yet in that old thread, the band was indeed called greedy, and people did indeed say they thought the Eagles were doing a disservice to their fans. Strong words were used. One poster even said that he would never go to another show - not because he couldn't afford it, but as a matter of principle. He described shows at that price as "financial rape." No one chastised him for his harsh words or complained about how hard he was on the band members; it was just part of the discussion.

To the people who participated in that thread - me, Freypower, Dreamer - the difference in how people react to criticism of the band being discussed is quite apparent.

[Freypower]

Thank you for finding that link Dreamer; I stand corrected about past complaints regarding ticket prices. What is notably different is the lack of any sentiment being expressed that the Eagles should not be performing in the first place, nor using the Eagles name. I can only imagine the reaction if someone had chimed in repeatedly about how wrong the band is for continuing on (for whatever reason, without Felder, etc.).



Yes, because the founder & leader of the band has died. There were a lot of words spoken by the surviving members about how they could not continue, and some of us, myself included, believed them. There is no analogy with the continuation without Felder. In the previous thread, they were still the Eagles as we knew & loved them. They are not that band now. They never will be (in my view). And quite frankly I find it very sad that this still needs to be explained, and that some just still think they are the 'Eagles' as if nothing happened. I don't understand it. I can't.

[sodascouts]

Yes, because the founder & leader of the band has died. There were a lot of words spoken about how they could not continue, and some of us, myself included, believed them. There is no analogy with the continuation without Felder. In the previous thread, they were still the Eagles as we knew & loved them. They are not that band now. They never will be (in my view). And quite frankly I find it very sad that this still needs to be explained, and that some just still think they are the 'Eagles' as if nothing happened. I don't understand it. I can't.

I agree with you. However, this thread is about the ticket prices that are being charged by the band that is currently calling themselves the Eagles. It is not about the legitimacy of that band to do so.

I think the only way that legitimacy (or lack of it) is relevant to this thread is the irony of their ticket prices being higher now. Regardless of that irony, I keep coming back to the fact that the ticket prices are based on what people are willing to pay.... and people are willing to pay these prices. Obviously, the lack of Glenn does not make a significant enough difference to them to discourage them from paying top dollar. That's reality.

I guess if you look at it in the harsh light of business sense, it's only logical for them to charge as much as they can get.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

This is a bit perplexing. While I agree with your post, I believe this thread discussion has been civil and respectful, and the OP made a point of saying everyone is welcome to express his or her views, so it’s not just a one-sided dialogue.

I went through all of my remarks and am also perplexed about how anything I said could be interpreted to mean that this thread is or should be a one-sided dialogue. However, I apologize if my remarks were perceived that way even though it is in no way what I intended. But this is actually a perfect illustration of the point I was trying to make about there being less tolerance and understanding of differing viewpoints on the board now. I’m certainly not laying the blame on anyone in particular, nor do I mean to imply that there was never conflict in the past. However, the different perceptions of what are facts and reality in this thread alone is very indicative of what I’m talking about. I don’t believe folks are dealing in facts and reality when they convolute the meaning of other’s posts to fit their own narrative. What also concerns me is how quick some are to, intentionally or unintentionally, assign ulterior motives to others opinions rather than accept that there can be genuine disagreement about some topics. The end result is a less civil and respectful environment. But, the bottom line is I brought this up as a response to the question in this thread about what’s changed. I was hoping that folks would see this observation as an opportunity to be more tolerant of one another. In any event, it is certainly not a desire on my part to be the Border patrol for ethics and morality.


Thank you for finding that link Dreamer; I stand corrected about past complaints regarding ticket prices. What is notably different is the lack of any sentiment being expressed that the Eagles should not be performing in the first place, nor using the Eagles name. I can only imagine the reaction if someone had chimed in repeatedly about how wrong the band is for continuing on (for whatever reason, without Felder, etc.).

I agree that this is really off-topic from the original point of this thread. The issue that you raise has been discussed time and time again on this board over the years – it just didn’t come up in that old thread because, as has been stated, the current situation is not analogous to Felder’s dismissal. Again, I believe it came up here because the discussion had evolved into a question of what had changed about the pricing of tickets over the years. IMO, if folks want to continue analyzing this in more detail, then we should move the discussion outside of this thread.

[Delilah]

I went through all of my remarks and am also perplexed about how anything I said could be interpreted to mean that this thread is or should be a one-sided dialogue. However, I apologize if my remarks were perceived that way even though it is in no way what I intended.


I’m perplexed why this thread was being singled out as one lacking civility and respect when IMO that isn’t the case. I stated that the OP was being open to differing points of view and therefore it wouldn’t be a one-sided discussion. I didn’t mean to say that you were claiming it was one-sided and I apologize for the misunderstanding. I should have been more clear.


But this is actually a perfect illustration of the point I was trying to make about there being less tolerance and understanding of differing viewpoints on the board now. I’m certainly not laying the blame on anyone in particular, nor do I mean to imply that there was never conflict in the past. However, the different perceptions of what are facts and reality in this thread alone is very indicative of what I’m talking about. I don’t believe folks are dealing in facts and reality when they convolute the meaning of other’s posts to fit their own narrative. What also concerns me is how quick some are to, intentionally or unintentionally, assign ulterior motives to others opinions rather than accept that there can be genuine disagreement about some topics. The end result is a less civil and respectful environment. But, the bottom line is I brought this up as a response to the question in this thread about what’s changed. I was hoping that folks would see this observation as an opportunity to be more tolerant of one another. In any event, it is certainly not a desire on my part to be the Border patrol for ethics and morality.

I’m also sorry that my brief, seemingly innocuous post where I was merely stating an opinion is being characterized this way. I don’t know what else to say. Perhaps this is my cue to get off the crazy train and just keep my mouth shut from now on.



I agree that this is really off-topic from the original point of this thread. The issue that you raise has been discussed time and time again on this board over the years – it just didn’t come up in that old thread because, as has been stated, the current situation is not analogous to Felder’s dismissal. Again, I believe it came up here because the discussion had evolved into a question of what had changed about the pricing of tickets over the years. IMO, if folks want to continue analyzing this in more detail, then we should move the discussion outside of this thread.

I brought it up in part b/c this is a divisive issue which hangs like dark cloud over every topic related to the current line-up. This is what distinguishes present vs. past debates. But I agree it is not directly on point. In my defense, I’m hardly the first person to go OT.

[New Kid In Town]

I agree with you. However, this thread is about the ticket prices that are being charged by the band that is currently calling themselves the Eagles. It is not about the legitimacy of that band to do so.
I think the only way that legitimacy (or lack of it) is relevant to this thread is the irony of their ticket prices being higher now. However, I keep coming back to the fact that the ticket prices are based on what people are willing to pay.... and people are willing to pay these prices. Obviously, the lack of Glenn does not make a significant difference to enough people to discourage them from paying top dollar. That's reality.
I guess if you look at it in the harsh light of business sense, it's only logical for them to charge as much as they can get.

I could not agree more Soda. I think we all thought we would never see the Eagles on stage without Glenn. As to whether this would have happened if Don passed instead of Glenn, I don't think so. I think Glenn would have called it quits. However, hypothetically speaking, it could happen. There are many an Eagles tribute band out there who are quite good and the singer doing Don's songs sounds pretty close to him.

As long as people are willing to pay the high prices for tickets, the Eagles will keep charging them. Like we have said -supply and demand.

Delilah - I think most of us can say we have gone off topic. I know I have.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

@ Delilah - My turn to clarify – there was never any intention to single this thread out. I thought I was making myself clear that I was talking about the overall environment on the board. My apologies again for any misunderstandings.

I am also very sorry that my posts intended to encourage a more civil and respectful environment has apparently backfired. My only motive was to promote a more positive tone on the board – not provoke it. This is exactly the reason that I did not wish to comment on the Felder matter because, as you said, it is divisive and I didn’t want to take this thread in that direction. The last thing I want to do here is cause more friction, but I, too, am guilty for taking this thread off topic. So – hopefully we can get back on track and talk ticket prices even if we have to agree to disagree. :grouphug:

[peneumbra]

Slightly off-subject but ticket price related:

for reasons that remain unclear, I still have some ticket stubs (and a contract with Hartnell Junior College in Stockton, I think) gathered during a stint as a roadie on what may have been the first Eagles road tour back in… I think it was 1971. Actually a tune-up tour up and down the West Coast, playing at small venues in SLO, Salinas, maybe Ashland, OR. This was a long time and many substances ago, so my memory is a tad… opaque.

Anyway. Looking at these tickets, I see that the price of admission was ---

$3.00. Of course, gas was, what? Twenty-five cents a gallon. and a lid (remember THAT?) was ten bucks, period. So there you go...

[New Kid In Town]

Slightly off-subject but ticket price related:

for reasons that remain unclear, I still have some ticket stubs (and a contract with Hartnell Junior College in Stockton, I think) gathered during a stint as a roadie on what may have been the first Eagles road tour back in… I think it was 1971. Actually a tune-up tour up and down the West Coast, playing at small venues in SLO, Salinas, maybe Ashland, OR. This was a long time and many substances ago, so my memory is a tad… opaque.

Anyway. Looking at these tickets, I see that the price of admission was ---

$3.00. Of course, gas was, what? Twenty-five cents a gallon. and a lid (remember THAT?) was ten bucks, period. So there you go...

OMG - $3.00 for a ticket ! What were the dates on the tickets ? This had to be after they played in Aspen but before they went to London to record their first album(Feb.'72). How long did you work as a Roadie ?
BTW - Welcome !

[groupie2686]

Slightly off-subject but ticket price related:

for reasons that remain unclear, I still have some ticket stubs (and a contract with Hartnell Junior College in Stockton, I think) gathered during a stint as a roadie on what may have been the first Eagles road tour back in… I think it was 1971. Actually a tune-up tour up and down the West Coast, playing at small venues in SLO, Salinas, maybe Ashland, OR. This was a long time and many substances ago, so my memory is a tad… opaque.

Anyway. Looking at these tickets, I see that the price of admission was ---

$3.00. Of course, gas was, what? Twenty-five cents a gallon. and a lid (remember THAT?) was ten bucks, period. So there you go...

Omg, a roadie with the eagles..that is so cool!! $3 for a ticket, wow. Times sure have changed!

[peneumbra]

You're gonna make me dig through all this shit to find the dates on the first tour tickets?!?

OK, but you're gonna have to come over and help put this stuff back.

And, for those who think that being part of a road crew, or for that matter being in a touring band, is all glamor and Crystal and (forgive me the use of this word) pussy, well… it is.

No, no, it's not. It's a JOB - anytime you have to be somewhere and do something for a living, you're working. High pressure, long hours, lots of boredom (YOU try finding something exciting to do in Wheeling, Wast Virginia on a Sunday), waking up in a different Holiday Inn every morning and not knowing what city you're in…

The moral of all this?

Don't quit your day job, kid!

[New Kid In Town]

You're gonna make me dig through all this shit to find the dates on the first tour tickets?!?

OK, but you're gonna have to come over and help put this stuff back.
And, for those who think that being part of a road crew, or for that matter being in a touring band, is all glamor and Crystal and (forgive me the use of this word) pussy, well… it is.

No, no, it's not. It's a JOB - anytime you have to be somewhere and do something for a living, you're working. High pressure, long hours, lots of boredom (YOU try finding something exciting to do in Wheeling, Wast Virginia on a Sunday), waking up in a different Holiday Inn every morning and not knowing what city you're in…
The moral of all this?
Don't quit your day job, kid!


Peneumbra - LMAO
I can see it being boring going from city to city away from family and friends. How long did you work as a roadie. Was the pay good ?

[Dawn]

Slightly off-subject but ticket price related:

for reasons that remain unclear, I still have some ticket stubs (and a contract with Hartnell Junior College in Stockton, I think) gathered during a stint as a roadie on what may have been the first Eagles road tour back in… I think it was 1971. Actually a tune-up tour up and down the West Coast, playing at small venues in SLO, Salinas, maybe Ashland, OR. This was a long time and many substances ago, so my memory is a tad… opaque.

Anyway. Looking at these tickets, I see that the price of admission was ---

$3.00. Of course, gas was, what? Twenty-five cents a gallon. and a lid (remember THAT?) was ten bucks, period. So there you go...

LOL sure do remember!!! Welcome to the Border hope you will share more interesting stories especially any that relate to 1970-1974 ...

[peneumbra]

I worked on Eagles tours up through 1976, along with a host of other groups, particularly New Riders. Worked my way up from Amp Ape to tech, and spent more time working for Wolf and Rissmiller, or Avalon, the local L.A. promoters.

In some ways, who the road and tour managers are is more important than who is in the band; a bad road manager can make life fucking awful for everybody.

The worst of them were invariably English, real old-school thugs (you could just picture them as Fagin or Captain Bligh). Worst of the worst was that asshole who managed Led Zep. I think some promoter finally had enough of him and killed him with a fireplace andiron. i know Bill Graham WANTED to…

The Eagles, of course, had Rich Fernandez, who was terrific. a nice guy, quiet, very competent.

[sodascouts]

Welcome peneumbra. If you'd like to start a new topic talking a bit about your experiences, there is obviously a lot of interest!

Could you do me a favor and keep the language PG, please? Thanks!

[My My]

Hahaha! Haven't heard the term "lid" in years!

[peneumbra]

Sorry about the foul language - this is what happens when you hang around with musicians!

[Ive always been a dreamer]

I agree with you. However, this thread is about the ticket prices that are being charged by the band that is currently calling themselves the Eagles. It is not about the legitimacy of that band to do so.

I think the only way that legitimacy (or lack of it) is relevant to this thread is the irony of their ticket prices being higher now. Regardless of that irony, I keep coming back to the fact that the ticket prices are based on what people are willing to pay.... and people are willing to pay these prices. Obviously, the lack of Glenn does not make a significant enough difference to them to discourage them from paying top dollar. That's reality.

I guess if you look at it in the harsh light of business sense, it's only logical for them to charge as much as they can get.

I know this thread has gone quiet, but I meant to respond to this a while back. I saw something today that reminded me of this again so I’ll make one other observation about current ticket prices. I don’t believe this was mentioned previously in this thread and if it has, then I missed it and apologize for the repetition.

I agree with what Soda wrote here, but wanted to add to her thoughts about this. So, not only are the current ticket prices higher than they were for the HOTE tour, but the shows are shorter. I rechecked this a few weeks ago and the HOTE setlist included 28 songs. The shows lasted over 3 hours including an approximate 15 minute intermission. On the other hand, the recent setlist includes 23 songs with no intermission so I’m guessing these shows are somewhere between 2 – 2 ½ hours in length. Maybe someone who has attended a show can confirm this. But, nonetheless, the consumers are getting 5 fewer songs and at least 30 minutes less show time for more money; yet if the tickets continue to sell, they will likely continue to go up.

[MaryCalifornia]

I was very in tune with the HOTE set list during that tour, as I got to go to a couple of shows. I have not been paying much (if any) attention to the current set list. I wonder what songs are not being played that were played during HOTE? I could take the time to do a comparison, but I'm not sure that I care enough to...does anyone know if anything has yet been posted about dropped songs? Are they playing PMAIAR? Definitely not the Doolin Dalton/Desperado Reprise, which I love. Definitely no Saturday Night or Train Leaves Here (hey, it's all coming back in my memory woo hoo). I think they're playing Those Shoes...

[YoungEaglesFan]

I was very in tune with the HOTE set list during that tour, as I got to go to a couple of shows. I have not been paying much (if any) attention to the current set list. I wonder what songs are not being played that were played during HOTE? I could take the time to do a comparison, but I'm not sure that I care enough to...does anyone know if anything has yet been posted about dropped songs? Are they playing PMAIAR? Definitely not the Doolin Dalton/Desperado Reprise, which I love. Definitely no Saturday Night or Train Leaves Here (hey, it's all coming back in my memory woo hoo). I think they're playing Those Shoes...

Yeah they replaced the deep cuts. They played basically GH1, the singles from HC, ICTYW, HT, Love will keep us alive, the Joe Walsh classics and in the city. I feel like they should bring back the Long Run, wasted time, and victim of love.

[WalshFan88]

I feel like they should bring back the Long Run, wasted time, and victim of love.

AFAIK, Victim hasn't been played since Felder left. I would have liked to have heard it on the HOTE tour, but I still hold that show and setlist in the highest of regards. But hearing Those Shoes (which I feel is also underrated) was amazing.

[MaryCalifornia]

One (of many:rofl:) things that Austin and I agree on is THOSE SHOES WAS AMAZING!!!!

[WalshFan88]

One (of many:rofl:) things that Austin and I agree on is THOSE SHOES WAS AMAZING!!!!

:D :lol:

[YoungEaglesFan]

:D :lol:

I heard Those Shoes at the classic east, I didn’t appreciate the song then as I do now. That song is great. I’m sure the set list for the HOTE was the best they put together

[WalshFan88]

I heard Those Shoes at the classic east, I didn’t appreciate the song then as I do now. That song is great. I’m sure the set list for the HOTE was the best they put together

The HOTE setlist was great. I probably would have left off some of the Desperado era numbers, but it added to the vibe. The main thing is that I heard all of my favorites.

I was pretty upset after seeing the LROOE tour and not hearing Already Gone, it was a good show but it really kept bothering me afterwards until I saw the HOTE tour. The HOTE show blew my LROOE experience out of the water. Better seats, no more funeral suits (a rock n' roll band should embrace rebellion and informality and not be in business attire, I'm sorry), and a much better setlist.

[YoungEaglesFan]

The HOTE setlist was great. I probably would have left off some of the Desperado era numbers, but it added to the vibe. The main thing is that I heard all of my favorites.

I was pretty upset after seeing the LROOE tour and not hearing Already Gone, it was a good show but it really kept bothering me afterwards until I saw the HOTE tour. The HOTE show blew my LROOE experience out of the water. Better seats, no more funeral suits (a rock n' roll band should embrace rebellion and informality and not be in business attire, I'm sorry), and a much better setlist.

Yeah, already gone is simply needed at an eagles concert. It’s very important to their credibility as a rock band. I love that song. Didn’t they still do a lot of solo songs during the LROOE tour?

[Freypower]

Yeah, already gone is simply needed at an eagles concert. It’s very important to their credibility as a rock band. I love that song. Didn’t they still do a lot of solo songs during the LROOE tour?

They did the Walsh songs during the LROOE tour. They dropped the Henley songs.

For me the LROOE tour was superior in every way to HOTE, but I saw the end of HOTE when Glenn was coming to the end. That is what stays with me. I don't want to go off track but I had to make that statement. I am well aware that many people seemed to think HOTE was better.

[YoungEaglesFan]

They did the Walsh songs during the LROOE tour. They dropped the Henley songs.

For me the LROOE tour was superior in every way to HOTE, but I saw the end of HOTE when Glenn was coming to the end. That is what stays with me. I don't want to go off track but I had to make that statement. I am well aware that many people seemed to think HOTE was better.

Wow then there really is no reason for AG to not be on the setlist. If you don’t mind, what were your feelings about the HOTE and the state of Glenn at that time? Was he noticeably worn down?

[WalshFan88]

They did the Walsh songs during the LROOE tour. They dropped the Henley songs.

For me the LROOE tour was superior in every way to HOTE, but I saw the end of HOTE when Glenn was coming to the end. That is what stays with me. I don't want to go off track but I had to make that statement. I am well aware that many people seemed to think HOTE was better.

The LROOE show I saw in Chicago had TBOS, DL, and ASWTDID, but maybe they removed it later on. They also had the Walsh songs as you said.

[Freypower]

Wow then there really is no reason for AG to not be on the setlist. If you don’t mind, what were your feelings about the HOTE and the state of Glenn at that time? Was he noticeably worn down?

I should point out that not only was AG not in the LROOE setlist, but neither were TS & my favourite song of all, NKIT. That was hard to take, but I understood it because of the LROOE songs (although a couple of them were dropped after one night, which in my view was just .... I don't know what a suitable word is.... showing lack of faith in their new album). Maybe they did do TBOS & DL, I don't remember. I should look up my reviews. They didn't do ASWTDID. I only ever saw that on the F1 tour.

I don't wish to go further off topic about HOTE, but yes, Glenn was not himself at all, and I knew it. You can have a look at my reviews if you like. I went to the Sydney shows & one Brisbane show in 2015. All I will say is that at the time I tried as hard as I could to hide my disappointment, knowing that it was not what people wished to read about, and also knowing that I knew my interest in the band was declining anyway. How was I to know what would then occur.

[YoungEaglesFan]

I should point out that not only was AG not in the LROOE setlist, but neither were TS & my favourite song of all, NKIT. That was hard to take, but I understood it because of the LROOE songs (although a couple of them were dropped after one night, which in my view was just .... I don't know what a suitable word is.... showing lack of faith in their new album). Maybe they did do TBOS & DL, I don't remember. I should look up my reviews. They didn't do ASWTDID. I only ever saw that on the F1 tour.

I don't wish to go further off topic about HOTE, but yes, Glenn was not himself at all, and I knew it. You can have a look at my reviews if you like. I went to the Sydney shows & one Brisbane show in 2015. All I will say is that at the time I tried as hard as I could to hide my disappointment, knowing that it was not what people wished to read about, and also knowing that I knew my interest in the band was declining anyway. How was I to know what would then occur.

I will look at your views, I’d like to hear your opinion of the shows. That’s absolutely unbelievable they didn’t do NKIT. That is my favorite song as well. Truly Peak Glenn. I find it underrated as a lot of casual Eagles fan don’t put it in their top songs. I guess it doesn’t grab your attention as well as other songs

[WalshFan88]

Thanks to setlist.fm (I recommend that site for checking setlists of any show):

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/eagles/2008/united-center-chicago-il-3bdfc490.html

At my show they did play all 3 Henley hits...Interesting they dropped them later on.

[Delilah]

As far as shortened set lists and higher ticket prices go, were there opening (name) acts during the HOTE tour?

[WalshFan88]

As far as shortened set lists and higher ticket prices go, were there opening (name) acts during the HOTE tour?

Yes, JD and the Straight Shot. Gag. I've heard better cover bands in bars playing their first gig together. I'd say my band is better entertainment too, and I know that sounds bad but it's true. The musicians aren't bad but JD and his songs are.

I don't remember an opener for LROOE but maybe we just got there late. To be honest, I was drugged up on Fentanyl at the time so that show is pretty hazy in spots for me.

[Freypower]

Fortunately there were no opening acts in Australia. In fact the only time they ever had an opening act here was Melissa Ethridge on the HFO tour.

[Delilah]

Yes, JD and the Straight Shot. Gag. I've heard better cover bands in bars playing their first gig together. I'd say my band is better entertainment too, and I know that sounds bad but it's true. The musicians aren't bad but JD and his songs are.

I don't remember an opener for LROOE but maybe we just got there late. To be honest, I was drugged up on Fentanyl at the time so that show is pretty hazy in spots for me.

Ah yes, I had the “pleasure” of hearing them perform when they opened for Don H. Maybe that’s why ticket prices are higher now- no JD and the Straight Shot is a bonus... :fear:

JK

[Freypower]

Thanks to setlist.fm (I recommend that site for checking setlists of any show):

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/eagles/2008/united-center-chicago-il-3bdfc490.html

At my show they did play all 3 Henley hits...Interesting they dropped them later on.

Yes, so we did get BOS & DL here.

[Elizasong]

The tickets for the Classic East/West were quite expensive and alot of fans who really just wanted to see the Eagles or vice versa Fleetwood Mac were pissed off they were initially forced to buy two day passes when if they had waited they could have bought a one day pass.

I'm guessing the two day passes weren't selling as well for East/West so they went down to one day when they should have done that to begin with.

I paid for two day East/West but my friend and I reasoned when you broke it down by all the bands playing it was about $40 a band.

I paid $200 a ticket back in 2013 of 2014 for the Eagles. $159 doesn't sound that bad compared to that.

Concerts in general a very expensive.