HOTE Hotel California era Backstage Interviews

[Doolin Dalton]

Were there any more published footage of the interviews and backstage times from that era? The one where Don is talking about how they're regular people, falling in an out of love, Joe with the tin foil creation, etc. Any other footage similar to that or when they are in the cars or on the jet are equally as interesting, let me know if you have any leads!

[peneumbra]

Back in the mid-Seventies, somebody was trying to make a film (authorized) about an Eagles tour. The camera guys were always backstage, getting in everybody's way. And Frey had this bit where he'd wear shades, and when the dorky interview guy would ask him questions during sound checks, etc., he'd tell the dude, "Wait - I can't hear you. Let me just take my sunglasses off…"

The interview guy never got the joke.:grin:

[YoungEaglesFan]

Back in the mid-Seventies, somebody was trying to make a film (authorized) about an Eagles tour. The camera guys were always backstage, getting in everybody's way. And Frey had this bit where he'd wear shades, and when the dorky interview guy would ask him questions during sound checks, etc., he'd tell the dude, "Wait - I can't hear you. Let me just take my sunglasses off…"

The interview guy never got the joke.:grin:

That’s hilarious. I really wish that film would be released at some point but I’m not counting on it. Not unless the border can plan a vault break in at some point :-D

[cosec3791]

That’s hilarious. I really wish that film would be released at some point but I’m not counting on it. Not unless the border can plan a vault break in at some point :-D

Sad to say, they'll never release it. They are just so damn stingy it's unbelievable. Apparently, they were also planning to release 1994 Irvine and 1999 Staples Center video, only to be scrapped. They also have 1975 pro shot footage, something nobody other than them have right now. Point is, they are under Don Henley and Azoff now. Expect EXTREMELY sparse releases. I don't even know if they'll do anything at this point. They always claim to be empty, when in reality they have more than 100 pro shot concerts from the 70's till today, and plus who knows how many soundboards.

[sodascouts]

I don't understand why:

1) They don't want to release anything
2) They lie about having anything

I guess you could say (2) allows them to head off questions about (1). However, there's this little pesky thing about (2): LYING IS WRONG and you are showing that your word is worthless and that fans shouldn't trust you, but oh well. I guess we don't worry about that.

How about this? "There is some material, but we've decided not to release it at this time, if ever. Next question!"

Speculation: Don believes the material isn't high-quality enough to release. However, that's just ridiculous. They've shown through Seven Bridges Road how they can "handle" that kind of problem if they wish, but honestly, we fans would just like it as-is. It's part of the live experience. It's especially important now that Glenn is gone. This is the only way we'll get "new" stuff from him. Do we have to wait until Don kicks the bucket and his estate releases it? Knowing Don, he'll forbid it in his will.

[YoungEaglesFan]

I don't understand why:

1) They don't want to release anything
2) They lie about having anything

I guess you could say (2) allows them to head off questions about (1). However, there's this little pesky thing about (2): LYING IS WRONG and you are showing that your word is worthless and that fans shouldn't trust you, but oh well. I guess we don't worry about that.

How about this? "There is some material, but we've decided not to release it at this time, if ever. Next question!"

Speculation: Don believes the material isn't high-quality enough to release. However, that's just ridiculous. They've shown through Seven Bridges Road how they can "handle" that kind of problem if they wish, but honestly, we fans would just like it as-is. It's part of the live experience. It's especially important now that Glenn is gone. This is the only way we'll get "new" stuff from him. Do we have to wait until he kicks the bucket and his estate releases it? Knowing Don, he'll forbid it in his will.

The whole crazy part about the seven bridges road facade is that they are the ones that released the isolated tracks that allows us to even hear the overdubbing. It came as part of the HFO DVD. I know a lot changed from when they broke up to HFO but why bother overdubbing it and not telling anyone, Only to reveal they overdubbed it (indirectly). I just dont get it. It’s really unfortunate. Many other bands do not have this issue.

[Delilah]

The whole crazy part about the seven bridges road facade is that they are the ones that released the isolated tracks that allows us to even hear the overdubbing. It came as part of the HFO DVD. I know a lot changed from when they broke up to HFO but why bother overdubbing it and not telling anyone, Only to reveal they overdubbed it (indirectly). I just dont get it. It’s really unfortunate. Many other bands do not have this issue.

Did they actually release the isolated tracks? I thought the band released the cd in 5.1 surround sound, and some fans used this to isolate the vocals themselves. I’m not the most tech-savvy person so maybe I’ve misunderstood (and I don’t have the dvd).

Henley & Co. have said they looked and found nothing in the vaults. I still contend whatever footage exists is piled underneath stacks of those “Spread Eagle Fill-in-the-City” home videos. :twisted: I wonder what will happen to those—big bonfire?

[YoungEaglesFan]

Did they actually release the isolated tracks? I thought the band released the cd in 5.1 surround sound, and some fans used this to isolate the vocals themselves. I’m not the most tech-savvy person so maybe I’ve misunderstood (and I don’t have the dvd).

Henley & Co. have said they looked and found nothing in the vaults. I still contend whatever footage exists is piled underneath stacks of those “Spread Eagle Fill-in-the-City” home videos. :twisted: I wonder what will happen to those—big bonfire?

Well that is what I meant. I guess it depends if they felt people
Would find or not

[cosec3791]

I don't understand why:

1) They don't want to release anything
2) They lie about having anything

I guess you could say (2) allows them to head off questions about (1). However, there's this little pesky thing about (2): LYING IS WRONG and you are showing that your word is worthless and that fans shouldn't trust you, but oh well. I guess we don't worry about that.

How about this? "There is some material, but we've decided not to release it at this time, if ever. Next question!"

Speculation: Don believes the material isn't high-quality enough to release. However, that's just ridiculous. They've shown through Seven Bridges Road how they can "handle" that kind of problem if they wish, but honestly, we fans would just like it as-is. It's part of the live experience. It's especially important now that Glenn is gone. This is the only way we'll get "new" stuff from him. Do we have to wait until Don kicks the bucket and his estate releases it? Knowing Don, he'll forbid it in his will.

The first question, we will never ever know. But for (2), I have a little bit of proof. There was this one interview about their 2018 tour (sigh), where the interviewer asks about the HC 40th Anniversary Edition live releases (where they were found etc.). He also enquired about releases of other live stuff as well as studio bloopers in the future.

Now here are his answers: (this is an instance of lying, jmho); he claims he just found 1976 The Forum audio scattered somewhere (non literally). I call foul. How would he forget that easily that The Forum was there? It was used in Eagles Live. He acted so surprised about even finding it, claiming he didn't even know it existed. Funny.

And he claims that there is nothing left to release when it comes to live stuff. Bull****. There are most probably more than 20 concerts recorded in the 70's (we have like a little less than 20 with proof). Like there is 1973 ABC, 1973 Central Park, 1975 Wembley, 1975 Philadelphia (the date after European concerts), 1980 Houston, etc. What about those Henley? And they have more than 100 concerts recorded after 1994. ALL of the HFO concerts were fully recorded. At least a sizeable portion must be there, if not anything. However, me and my friends are going to get something which will nail the coffin on the truth of our suspicions.

And he also claims that the bloopers are not good enough. Sheesh.

Once you get very much into live stuff (as well as being very objective), your point of fans not trusting the band of the statements is veritable indeed. I really feel a large scale raid of Henley's vault is in order.

[cosec3791]

Did they actually release the isolated tracks? I thought the band released the cd in 5.1 surround sound, and some fans used this to isolate the vocals themselves. I’m not the most tech-savvy person so maybe I’ve misunderstood (and I don’t have the dvd).
Henley & Co. have said they looked and found nothing in the vaults. I still contend whatever footage exists is piled underneath stacks of those “Spread Eagle Fill-in-the-City” home videos. :twisted: I wonder what will happen to those—big bonfire?

Yeah, I think you misunderstood about that. If I'm not mistaken, they released it in "5:1 compatible Speaker setup" with "DTS Surround sound" . But it is understandable.

And I didn't understand "Spread Eagle Fill-in-the-City" home videos tbh. Care for a clarification?

[sodascouts]

Did they actually release the isolated tracks? I thought the band released the cd in 5.1 surround sound, and some fans used this to isolate the vocals themselves. I’m not the most tech-savvy person so maybe I’ve misunderstood (and I don’t have the dvd).




I have the DVD. This is correct, Delilah. In fact, I was wondering was cosec was talking about. It's not like there's an option to play one isolated vocal.

There's a reason no one knew about this before. A fan had to go to the effort of isolating them before we could hear it.

[groupie2686]

Were there any more published footage of the interviews and backstage times from that era? The one where Don is talking about how they're regular people, falling in an out of love, Joe with the tin foil creation, etc. Any other footage similar to that or when they are in the cars or on the jet are equally as interesting, let me know if you have any leads!

I would pay good money if there was more footage of this, if they were willing to release it. I am not a fan of reality TV, but it makes me wish they had a reality show back then, with a camera following them around!

[cosec3791]

I have the DVD. This is correct, Delilah. In fact, I was wondering was cosec was talking about. It's not like there's an option to play one isolated vocal.

There's a reason no one knew about this before. A fan had to go to the effort of isolating them before we could hear it.

Maybe not explicitly, but that speaker setup pretty much separates the voices. What I'm thinking is, no one really cared to analyze further. And the thing is, it is easier to digitally separate it and gain individual voices. In a sense thus, Delilah has a point. Only be analyzing a digital copy, it was confirmed.

Also Soda, I made a few arguments regarding the "lying". Please check them out. Sorry for sounding angry, I really get annoyed about sparse live releases.

[cosec3791]

I would pay good money if there was more footage of this, if they were willing to release it. I am not a fan of reality TV, but it makes me wish they had a reality show back then, with a camera following them around!

As I said though, the sad cold truth is, don't expect them to release it.

[MarthaJo56]

I remember , from some interview, Don Henley saying there was footage and photos of them maybe doing & saying things that they just don't want released. (Drugs, sex, rock & roll)
And ya know what? I totally understand. Maybe they don't want their kids or grand kids to see it. I mean, our kids are adults and there are things we still won't tell them about things we did in the 70's. We definitely would not want to make it public.

[sodascouts]

I remember , from some interview, Don Henley saying there was footage and photos of them maybe doing & saying things that they just don't want released. (Drugs, sex, rock & roll)
And ya know what? I totally understand. Maybe they don't want their kids or grand kids to see it. I mean, our kids are adults and there are things we still won't tell them about things we did in the 70's. We definitely would not want to make it public.


Heck, I wouldn't even want photos and footage released where I look fat, much less doing embarrassing stuff! I can totally get that!

I was talking about interviews, music, concert videos, and non-embarrassing home movies like we see in History of the Eagles.... most especially the music and concert videos (for me at least).

[MarthaJo56]

Yeah , I can see that. I keep searching for photos and some videos of Glenn-especially from the 70's-that I don't already have. But , still. I respect their wishes, for whatever reason.

[Brooke]

Heck, I wouldn't even want photos and footage released where I look fat, much less doing embarrassing stuff! I can totally get that!

I was talking about interviews, music, concert videos, and non-embarrassing home movies like we see in History of the Eagles.... most especially the music and concert videos (for me at least).

That's what I would want. They could certainly edit out anything that would be embarrassing.

[New Kid In Town]

I was talking about interviews, music, concert videos, and non-embarrassing home movies like we see in History of the Eagles.... most especially the music and concert videos (for me at least).

I would love to see footage of concerts and interviews from then too. However, we should not hold our breath on something being released. Don needs to lighten up, forget the perfection crap and just open that vault we all know is crammed with stuff. So many other groups release stuff all the time.

[sodascouts]

Fleetwood Mac releases demos, outtakes, and live material and fans eat it up. We love it, in all its imperfections.

[cosec3791]

Heck, I wouldn't even want photos and footage released where I look fat, much less doing embarrassing stuff! I can totally get that!

I was talking about interviews, music, concert videos, and non-embarrassing home movies like we see in History of the Eagles.... most especially the music and concert videos (for me at least).

There are actually quite a lot of interviews out there, though video from the 70's is particularly rare. As for concerts, even though they claim there is nothing, there are more than 20 at the very least (17 we estimated). And from the 90's till today there will be more than a 100.

Release at least a few of 'em Don!

[cosec3791]

Yeah , I can see that. I keep searching for photos and some videos of Glenn-especially from the 70's-that I don't already have. But , still. I respect their wishes, for whatever reason.

Except sometimes they don't have any good reason for not releasing anything and even lie that they have nothing.

[cosec3791]

Fleetwood Mac releases demos, outtakes, and live material and fans eat it up. We love it, in all its imperfections.

Exactly. Led Zeppelin, The Grateful Dead, Michael Jackson, etc. release more stuff than the Eagles do and touch it less as well. A fuller live experience is received as a result. It's really hard to trust Eagles stuff fully because they are just so shady with it. From overdubbing (they still do it today), to releasing performances from another concert when it is claimed to be one concert.

In fact, about Grateful Dead, they allow (legally!) fans to tape! Out of something a bit more than 23,000 shows, a bit over 22,000 were recorded. Meanwhile for us? Out of more than 30,000 shows, maybe a bit over 200! How sad!

[YoungEaglesFan]

Fleetwood Mac releases demos, outtakes, and live material and fans eat it up. We love it, in all its imperfections.

It’s unbelievable how much more stuff they release out. Granted I believe some of the demos and the like have been destroyed but they definitely have something!

[MarthaJo56]

Except sometimes they don't have any good reason for not releasing anything and even lie that they have nothing.

There are lots of reasons. Like who owns the copyrights, publishing rights for songs, hiring crew, editing, even the use of people's names. A lot of blood, sweat & tears and hard work goes into making a film. It's not just as easy as releasing footage to the public.
And maybe they all just want to move forward.
What we can hope for is a film of this latest tour with Deacon, Steuart, & Vince. Now THAT is a film I would love to see. Especially since i know I'll never get to a concert. :band::band:

[Brooke]

I could care less about the current line up. It's the old stuff I want to see!

[cosec3791]

I could care less about the current line up. It's the old stuff I want to see!

Opinions.

Either way, don't expect it. If many of the fans' speculation is right, it's "below standards".

I also noticed an interesting thing: the most releases of the Eagles (I mean live recordings) were from the Hotel California tour.

Here's a list of official releases (excluding official studio songs). This is to the best of my knowledge. Please let me know if any errors crept in. This DOES NOT include any television broadcasts, because those are not authorized by the record label and/or the band (no BBC Concert, etc.):

Eagles LP till One of These Nights tours: None

Hotel California tour: 1976 The Forum (Eagles Live and Hotel California 40th Anniversary Edition, 1977 Capital Center)

The Long Run tour- 1980 Santa Monica and Long Beach (Eagles Live)

Hell Freezes Over- 1994 Burbank (live album tracks excluding new tracks and DVD including new tracks)

Millenium Concert Series- 1999 Las Vegas (highly probable) and 1999 Staples Center (in Disc 4 in the Selected Works box set)

An Evening with the Eagles tour- None

Farewell I tour- 2004 Melbourne

LROOE tour till present- None


Now you may think it is insignificant. But I feel it is. Why? I just feel they released HC tour stuff the most because in the context of band standards, that tour's material was arguably the best (JMHO, maybe I'm completely missing the plot). I feel two of their official releases show this: Eagles Live, and HOTE's official footage release.

Eagles Live- They were in The Long Run tour. Yet, they chose to release HC tour stuff. Maybe just me, but I feel they did this because the quite a lot of TLR stuff did not meet the "standards". I feel this is something of significant implications.

HOTE- They could've released any other footage from any other (Desperado tour, OOTN tour, HFO tour, etc.) as the official video release as part of the documentary tour. But yet again, they chose to release HC stuff. Interesting. And in fact, for representing many other non HC songs (One of These Nights, Lyin' Eyes, Rocky Mountain Way) they chose to use this footage. I feel this is pretty important. But maybe I'm wrong. And also, sorry for the novel.

[sodascouts]

I also noticed an interesting thing: the most releases of the Eagles (I mean live recordings) were from the Hotel California tour.


That's not surprising since the Hotel California era is by far the most marketable. The live audio we got was released alongside the 40th anniversary "Deluxe Edition" of the album. They hadn't done deluxe editions of any of the prior albums, presumably because they thought there wouldn't be a demand.

Hmm. I wonder if we'll get any more "Deluxe Editions" with accompanying live material now?

[Delilah]

Sad to say, they'll never release it. They are just so damn stingy it's unbelievable. Apparently, they were also planning to release 1994 Irvine and 1999 Staples Center video, only to be scrapped. They also have 1975 pro shot footage, something nobody other than them have right now. Point is, they are under Don Henley and Azoff now. Expect EXTREMELY sparse releases. I don't even know if they'll do anything at this point. They always claim to be empty, when in reality they have more than 100 pro shot concerts from the 70's till today, and plus who knows how many soundboards.

If you don’t mind my asking, about how many pro shot concerts from the 70s are there and how do you know the Eagles have them?



And I didn't understand "Spread Eagle Fill-in-the-City" home videos tbh. Care for a clarification?

The “Spread Eagle” videos are home movies taken by the band members (or possibly road crew members) of the various 3rd Encore parties.


Opinions.

This DOES NOT include any television broadcasts, because those are not authorized by the record label and/or the band (no BBC Concert, etc.):

An Evening with the Eagles tour- None

I feel this is pretty important. But maybe I'm wrong. And also, sorry for the novel.

I have seen cds from last year’s Grand Ole Opry Concert for sale. It’s a really nice recording. However it’s not an official release—who knows in the future it could be.


Opinions.

Eagles Live- They were in The Long Run tour. Yet, they chose to release HC tour stuff. Maybe just me, but I feel they did this because the quite a lot of TLR stuff did not meet the "standards". I feel this is something of significant implications.

I believe one reason the Live album included “Take It to the Limit” was b/c it was such a show-stopper and highlight of the concerts at the time. It would have been a grave omission to not have that critical part of the live experience on the album, even though it was obviously not performed during The Long Run tour. Also, AFAIK, the band did not tour with a string section for The Long Run album (someone correct me if I’m wrong). Therefore, the band used “Desperado” from the HC tour b/c you could hear the strings.

As far as using NKIT from the HC tour, I don’t really know why other than what you say, maybe it was just better than the Long Beach version.

[NightMistBlue]

Delilah, I thought the infamous home movies were filmed by Don H. That’s why they called him Nikon Don. Among other things.

[cosec3791]

If you don’t mind my asking, about how many pro shot concerts from the 70s are there and how do you know the Eagles have them?



The “Spread Eagle” videos are home movies taken by the band members (or possibly road crew members) of the various 3rd Encore parties.



I have seen cds from last year’s Grand Ole Opry Concert for sale. It’s a really nice recording. However it’s not an official release—who knows in the future it could be.



I believe one reason the Live album included “Take It to the Limit” was b/c it was such a show-stopper and highlight of the concerts at the time. It would have been a grave omission to not have that critical part of the live experience on the album, even though it was obviously not performed during The Long Run tour. Also, AFAIK, the band did not tour with a string section for The Long Run album (someone correct me if I’m wrong). Therefore, the band used “Desperado” from the HC tour b/c you could hear the strings.

As far as using NKIT from the HC tour, I don’t really know why other than what you say, maybe it was just better than the Long Beach version.

DM'd the list.

Interesting about the home videos. I would personally NOT like to see that at all.

I was talking about the 2001 tour, the first one without Felder. But either way, nothing officially released from LROOE till today. And they won't release it, I'm sure.

I understand TITL. But Desperado, Wasted Time and New Kid in Town were all done in 1979-80. Desperado was common, Wasted Time less. Apparently for example it was done in 1980 Houston. And for New Kid, very rare but done. An example is 1980 New Mexico. But they did not do it in Long Beach. The only HC songs done there were Pretty Maids, HC and Life in the Fast Lane. And those statements about those kinda solidify my point. That these were better off in the HC times than TLR times. That they were inferior to the HC ones. Interesting.

[My My]

Delilah, I thought the infamous home movies were filmed by Don H. That’s why they called him Nikon Don. Among other things.

Don may have been the photographer, but I have a feeling anyone who was available could have taken pictures. I came across this blurb from a UPI reporter, named Bruce Meyer.

"Glenn Frey of the Eagles is putting together a film from footage taken while touring. He describes it as the first X-rated rock movie, to be titled 'Spread Eagle."

I think we've all seen one of the stars of that movie on the HOTE!

This was in several papers in July of 1974. Most papers at the time carried syndicated music and entertainment news columns.

[My My]

Delilah, you're so right about TITTL being a highlight of Eagles concerts at the time. From the Indianapolis News concert review from the concert I attended on November 22, 1976-

"The man who stole the show, perhaps, was bass player Randy Meisner, who sang lead only once. The number was last winter's giant hit, "Take It To The Limit." Meisner had 'em cheering long before the finish of the song. His clean, crisp high vocals earned him the only standing ovation for an individual performance."


It's interesting that this concert period is referred to as the Hotel California tour now. That night, before the album was released, "Hotel California" was just a new song from their upcoming album that was played. It was described as being "well received." I'm sure I probably enjoyed it, but nothing like the way I enjoyed it in 1978 and 1980!

[cosec3791]

Delilah, you're so right about TITTL being a highlight of Eagles concerts at the time. From the Indianapolis News concert review from the concert I attended on November 22, 1976-

"The man who stole the show, perhaps, was bass player Randy Meisner, who sang lead only once. The number was last winter's giant hit, "Take It To The Limit." Meisner had 'em cheering long before the finish of the song. His clean, crisp high vocals earned him the only standing ovation for an individual performance."


It's interesting that this concert period is referred to as the Hotel California tour now. That night, before the album was released, "Hotel California" was just a new song from their upcoming album that was played. It was described as being "well received." I'm sure I probably enjoyed it, but nothing like the way I enjoyed it in 1978 and 1980!

WOW!!! Randy Meisner!!

But there is a massive error here. At this point, Randy always got 2 leads: TITTL and Midnight Flyer. Try And Love Again debuted in this month. The newspaper (and maybe you too) forgot Midnight Flyer was done. So Randy has 2 leads. And how was Wasted Time (Reprise)? It was apparently done at the arena. So an orchestra was there? Maybe Desperado also had Doolin Dalton Reprise II? Such a good concert it must've been.

So it was like the One of These Nights tour going on then? Same as Seattle 76, Budokan 76, but just with extra HC songs not released at the time?

I also am actually confused: when DID the HC tour start? eaglesonlinecentral's tour page claims it was in Osaka 1976, but no HC songs were played at all. Interesting.

Also you make me REALLY JEALOUS!!!! I wish I could've seen them during 1976 till 80 and you saw some of my most favorite years! The 70's were the best and you got to see them in a span of 3-4 years! You have no idea, just how many people would be jealous! I want to see Don Felder so badly with them and now it will never happen! :-(

[New Kid In Town]

[QUOTE=cosec3791;378770] I also am actually confused: when DID the HC tour start? eaglesonlinecentral's tour page claims it was in Osaka 1976, but no HC songs were played at all. Interesting.

The Eagles did some songs from the HC album in Oct. and Nov.1976 concerts. Hence the LA Form live on the re-issue of HC. The official HC tour started in January 1977 and lasted until September 1977.

I thought Don H.(Nikon Don) was the one who filmed all those 3E parties. However, if he was "busy" he obviously had others to do the filming. I have also read about the road crew doing some filming.

[My My]

cosec, I'm sure the paper could have made a mistake about Randy having only one lead. They constantly got the names of the Eagles mixed up in concert reviews. I really don't remember if they played Midnight Flyer that night, it's been over 40 years ago! I do remember how wild everyone got for TITTL though. Certain songs, like TITTL and TIE always got the crowd going. After HC album, HC was always the song that opened the show and had the same effect.

From two different Indianapolis newspaper reviews the day after the show these are the songs that were mentioned; TIE, Outlaw Man, Doolin-Dalton, Tequila Sunrise, OOTN, BOML, HC, Lyin' Eyes, TITTL, Witchy Woman, Already Gone, Wasted Time, Desperado, Rocky Mountain Way, Funk 49.
Not a complete list by any means, but a pretty good list of songs. The paper also stated that they played for almost 2 1/2 hours. No mention of the orchestra.
I think I've heard Midnight Flyer in concert but I also saw them for the first time in August of 1975 where it was probably played.

As far as the concert being part of the HC tour, I think it's just a common term used for that time period. I saw them about a month after the '76 Forum shows, so they were playing a few "new" songs from the album that was due to be released.


Sorry I can't give you lots of information, about that night. I was just a teenager going to see my favorite band. I didn't think that over 40 years later I would even be thinking about such things. It was just a very in the moment thing. My memories of those times are more about the excitement of being there, hearing the songs that I constantly played on my GE Wildcat record player.

Don't be too jealous though, corsec. Yes, I saw some wonderful concerts in the 70's, but that means that means I'm old now, 59! Enjoy your youth and make some great memories of your own!

[cosec3791]

[QUOTE=cosec3791;378770] I also am actually confused: when DID the HC tour start? eaglesonlinecentral's tour page claims it was in Osaka 1976, but no HC songs were played at all. Interesting.

The Eagles did some songs from the HC album in Oct. and Nov.1976 concerts. Hence the LA Form live on the re-issue of HC. The official HC tour started in January 1977 and lasted until September 1977.

Confusing, ain't it? I feel the HC tour informally, but properly started in October the 15th, 1976, in the Arizona State University. Apparently small concert, but one world shaking thing: the world debut of Hotel California. Only song from that album.

It went full swing with The Forum, wherein New Kid in Town (your name :laugh: ) and Wasted Time debuted. Pretty Maids All in a Row, Try And Love Again, Victim of Love and Life in the Fast Lane all debuted in Michigan, November 12th (at the same time). I should find out about the debut of The Last Resort. And yeah, the HC tour officially began in 1977. Capital Center was the first spontaneously changed concert in terms of setlist. Here they completely deviated from the usual order and kept on changing things as dates progressed. Alpine Valley 1977 (last concert) was bittersweet. Randy left, but the setlist was so DAMN BRILLIANT! They even did Saturday Night and ATTIG which is just dreamy!

1977 was the period of more seriousness, image upkeep, etc. I really think if we check out the extra backstage stuff, pre 77 would've been crazier and funnier. It only became worse after 1978, where they "...grew apart as collaborators and friends."

[sodascouts]

Back then, the setlists were not as set in stone as they are now. It's possible there were some shows where songs were not played for whatever reason, or legs where they didn't have the same setup (such as overseas).

That said, newspapers do make mistakes.

My My, I love reading these old excerpts. Thank you.

TITTL brought the house down every night - I think Glenn said it made crows "go wild"? Was that his quote? He said something like that, about how everybody just went crazy when Randy did it. In fact, I remember reading that when Glenn was trying to encourage Randy to sing it when Randy got nervous, he would tell Randy that everyone wanted to hear him sing it... but I think it was that same audience expectation that was stressing Randy out - the (unwarranted) fear of letting them down. I think that's also why in some video footage, you see Glenn congratulating Randy after he knocks it out of the park. It's like "See, you did it again." lol

[cosec3791]

cosec, I'm sure the paper could have made a mistake about Randy having only one lead. They constantly got the names of the Eagles mixed up in concert reviews. I really don't remember if they played Midnight Flyer that night, it's been over 40 years ago! I do remember how wild everyone got for TITTL though. Certain songs, like TITTL and TIE always got the crowd going. After HC album, HC was always the song that opened the show and had the same effect.

From two different Indianapolis newspaper reviews the day after the show these are the songs that were mentioned; TIE, Outlaw Man, Doolin-Dalton, Tequila Sunrise, OOTN, BOML, HC, Lyin' Eyes, TITTL, Witchy Woman, Already Gone, Wasted Time, Desperado, Rocky Mountain Way, Funk 49.
Not a complete list by any means, but a pretty good list of songs. The paper also stated that they played for almost 2 1/2 hours. No mention of the orchestra.
I think I've heard Midnight Flyer in concert but I also saw them for the first time in August of 1975 where it was probably played.

As far as the concert being part of the HC tour, I think it's just a common term used for that time period. I saw them about a month after the '76 Forum shows, so they were playing a few "new" songs from the album that was due to be released.


Sorry I can't give you lots of information, about that night. I was just a teenager going to see my favorite band. I didn't think that over 40 years later I would even be thinking about such things. It was just a very in the moment thing. My memories of those times are more about the excitement of being there, hearing the songs that I constantly played on my GE Wildcat record player.

Don't be too jealous though, corsec. Yes, I saw some wonderful concerts in the 70's, but that means that means I'm old now, 59! Enjoy your youth and make some great memories of your own!
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Maybe they did. Everyone overlooks Midnight Flyer. And TITTL and TIE really are crowd pleasers, though I personally find them too cliché.

And interesting about the songs. So if no orchestra most definitely Wasted Time (Reprise) wasn't done. And Outlaw Man and Doolin Dalton? Makes the setlist at setlist.fm completely wrong. None of those two songs are even there. And also, you got lucky!!! 2 and a half hours is long for a 70's Eagles show!

Also, Midnight Flyer in 1975 Seattle is a staple. In fact, I assume you may have heard Blackberry Blossom before/after.

And it's fine. Though kinda disappointing. Minors like me (I'm only 16) want more!!!!!!!! We need details of reasonable veracity. I may sound selfish, but I personally would've loved if people who were there at the concert would've remembered more of the details. They are miles ahead of anything today fo' sho.

And lastly, that jealousy will never really subside, sadly. You got to see them in their prime. I'll never get to see them at all, let alone prime. And the future of music, as to my generation looks so bleak, all of you would roll your eyes. Memories, as good as yours, will never be made. I arguably became an Eagles fan at the worst age possible. :-(

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Makes the setlist at setlist.fm completely wrong. None of those two songs are even there.


Not the first time and not the last time that site's been wrong!

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corsec,, I know you would like more concrete memories. Truthfully, I would too! You have to remember though, that it was a very different time and place back in the seventies. We didn't have access to set lists and such from other concerts to have an idea of what was going to be played. We didn't have even much info about the band at the time. We looked at the names on our albums, but by the time we saw them, the cast of characters had changed! The first time I saw them, Bernie was still in the band and Felder was added. The second time I saw them, Joe was in and Bernie was out. The third time, Randy was gone and Tim was in. My fourth show had the same band members as the third. Add to this, no big screens at the time, so you saw the guys, but not as larger than life like in the later years.

I do believe that you are probably right about Midnight Flyer being played. Like I said, many names were mixed up in the review. Could be when they were all standing out front the reviewer didn't catch that Randy was singing lead. He was totally in the spotlight during TITTL. Also, the photographer sent me a couple of pictures from that night with Felder clearly playing banjo, so probably during Midnight Flyer.

I totally get that for some, especially young fans, TIE and TITTL are cliché. You came to be an Eagles with the whole catalog available and you pick and choose your favorites, generally HC era it seems. TITTL is probably one of the best live performances I've heard. TIE is what made me into an Eagles fan back then. Hearing it at the beginning of a concert was so special, signaling that the Eagles are here and a great night is about to begin! The only thing I can compare it to is the playing of the national anthem before a big sporting event. It gets everyone ready and in the moment.

Sorry again that I can't be of more help to you. Most of my Eagle memories are in my heart, of the overall feel and experience of show. If I'd had known there was going to be a pop quiz 40 something years later, I would have taken notes, LOL! You and many on this board are much better students of the Eagles than I. You'd hands down beat me in Eagles knowledge and trivia. I just listened to the albums, went to concerts and loved them.
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[MarthaJo56]

[QUOTE=My My;378816] You have to remember though, that it was a very different time and place back in the seventies. We didn't have access to set lists and such from other concerts to have an idea of what was going to be played. We didn't have even much info about the band at the time. We looked at the names on our albums, but by the time we saw them, the cast of characters had changed! The first time I saw them, Bernie was still in the band and Felder was added. The second time I saw them, Joe was in and Bernie was out. The third time, Randy was gone and Tim was in. My fourth show had the same band members as the third. Add to this, no big screens at the time, so you saw the guys, but not as larger than life like in the later years.

The 2nd time I saw Poco, Timothy B. Schmit had replaced Randy. So yes, personnel was very fluid at the time. :heart:

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That's very cool that you saw them both in Poco, MarthaJo!

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corsec,, I know you would like more concrete memories. Truthfully, I would too! You have to remember though, that it was a very different time and place back in the seventies. We didn't have access to set lists and such from other concerts to have an idea of what was going to be played. We didn't have even much info about the band at the time. We looked at the names on our albums, but by the time we saw them, the cast of characters had changed! The first time I saw them, Bernie was still in the band and Felder was added. The second time I saw them, Joe was in and Bernie was out. The third time, Randy was gone and Tim was in. My fourth show had the same band members as the third. Add to this, no big screens at the time, so you saw the guys, but not as larger than life like in the later years.

I do believe that you are probably right about Midnight Flyer being played. Like I said, many names were mixed up in the review. Could be when they were all standing out front the reviewer didn't catch that Randy was singing lead. He was totally in the spotlight during TITTL. Also, the photographer sent me a couple of pictures from that night with Felder clearly playing banjo, so probably during Midnight Flyer.

I totally get that for some, especially young fans, TIE and TITTL are cliché. You came to be an Eagles with the whole catalog available and you pick and choose your favorites, generally HC era it seems. TITTL is probably one of the best live performances I've heard. TIE is what made me into an Eagles fan back then. Hearing it at the beginning of a concert was so special, signaling that the Eagles are here and a great night is about to begin! The only thing I can compare it to is the playing of the national anthem before a big sporting event. It gets everyone ready and in the moment.

Sorry again that I can't be of more help to you. Most of my Eagle memories are in my heart, of the overall feel and experience of show. If I'd had known there was going to be a pop quiz 40 something years later, I would have taken notes, LOL! You and many on this board are much better students of the Eagles than I. You'd hands down beat me in Eagles knowledge and trivia. I just listened to the albums, went to concerts and loved them.
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I really relate to this post!

In the 70's I bought my albums and concert tickets at Tower records or my college bookstore. Shared rides with friends to see bands as diverse as Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother, Jesse Colin Young, Eagles, Poco, BB King, the list goes on. I just had fun and never really thought about the set lists or much of anything else related to the bands or artists. I lived in the moment. It was pure entertainment. And affordable. No American Express black cards necessary.

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DM'd the list.

I understand TITL. But Desperado, Wasted Time and New Kid in Town were all done in 1979-80. Desperado was common, Wasted Time less. Apparently for example it was done in 1980 Houston. And for New Kid, very rare but done. An example is 1980 New Mexico. But they did not do it in Long Beach. The only HC songs done there were Pretty Maids, HC and Life in the Fast Lane. And those statements about those kinda solidify my point. That these were better off in the HC times than TLR times. That they were inferior to the HC ones. Interesting.

Thanks!

I didn’t know that NKIT was rarely performed during The Long Run tour. That’s puzzling, considering it was a Grammy-winning #1 hit.


The 2nd time I saw Poco, Timothy B. Schmit had replaced Randy. So yes, personnel was very fluid at the time. :heart:

Wow, you got to see Poco with Randy?! You are in rare company. And those shows were known to be amazing. :bow:

[MarthaJo56]

Thanks!




Wow, you got to see Poco with Randy?! You are in rare company. And those shows were known to be amazing. :bow:
I saw them the first time on my 15th birthday... 1971. I don't know if Randy was still with them. At that time, I was twitterpated over Richie Furay (who I met in person a few years ago and is now a close friend).
The next time I saw Poco, we were leaning on the stage with Timothy right in front of us. My girlfriends & I had a nice little chat with him.
Be still out teenybopper hearts!!!:band:

[cosec3791]

corsec,, I know you would like more concrete memories. Truthfully, I would too! You have to remember though, that it was a very different time and place back in the seventies. We didn't have access to set lists and such from other concerts to have an idea of what was going to be played. We didn't have even much info about the band at the time. We looked at the names on our albums, but by the time we saw them, the cast of characters had changed! The first time I saw them, Bernie was still in the band and Felder was added. The second time I saw them, Joe was in and Bernie was out. The third time, Randy was gone and Tim was in. My fourth show had the same band members as the third. Add to this, no big screens at the time, so you saw the guys, but not as larger than life like in the later years.

I do believe that you are probably right about Midnight Flyer being played. Like I said, many names were mixed up in the review. Could be when they were all standing out front the reviewer didn't catch that Randy was singing lead. He was totally in the spotlight during TITTL. Also, the photographer sent me a couple of pictures from that night with Felder clearly playing banjo, so probably during Midnight Flyer.

I totally get that for some, especially young fans, TIE and TITTL are cliché. You came to be an Eagles with the whole catalog available and you pick and choose your favorites, generally HC era it seems. TITTL is probably one of the best live performances I've heard. TIE is what made me into an Eagles fan back then. Hearing it at the beginning of a concert was so special, signaling that the Eagles are here and a great night is about to begin! The only thing I can compare it to is the playing of the national anthem before a big sporting event. It gets everyone ready and in the moment.

Sorry again that I can't be of more help to you. Most of my Eagle memories are in my heart, of the overall feel and experience of show. If I'd had known there was going to be a pop quiz 40 something years later, I would have taken notes, LOL! You and many on this board are much better students of the Eagles than I. You'd hands down beat me in Eagles knowledge and trivia. I just listened to the albums, went to concerts and loved them.
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Yeah it is totally understandable on your part. Don't worry, I'm not bashing you at all, just pointing out what is kinda obvious. Yeah times are different today. There is just so much information available today. Actually, suppose the 1975 breakup happened in today's generation. It would have made ridiculous headlines, with every fan across the horizon angrily reacting, and their discussions turning into a cesspool of incriminations. It would've been cancerous.

And banjo with Felder? Midnight Flyer it is!

And about cliché songs, thanks for understanding. The thing is, based on bootlegs I have from the 70's, all of them have the same old setlist. However researching, there are ones with very rare songs. The HC tour in 1977 was full of them. They were arguably at their most spontaneous with the setlist at that time. Almost every setlist had at least one weird song ordering. Which is why it's my favorite year. I basically love some cliché songs being swapped out for rarities. Alpine Valley and Knoxville are great examples. No TITTL, but many rarities instead.

And about the last paragraph, it is totally fine. Many fans (and I mean many) are not that pedantic about the details. And I learnt a lot through bootlegs. That's really how I accumulated the knowledge. But about beating you in trivia? I highly doubt that.

[cosec3791]

Thanks!

I didn’t know that NKIT was rarely performed during The Long Run tour. That’s puzzling, considering it was a Grammy-winning #1 hit.

Yeah it is really weird. Mostly they became rigid and fixed with the setlist in TLR tour. But there were these times where they deviated. They also did Witchy Woman, James Dean and Funk #49 occasionally. Even Peaceful Easy Feeling. This setlist, based from a guy who supposedly has a bootleg of it, is brilliant. Just check it out. Very atypical:

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/eagles/1980/university-arena-university-of-new-mexico-albuquerque-nm-7bc12664.html