:shock: I...uh....wow.....dang......better save up so he can say "Maleah.....I'm singing this to you" before he begins "Taking You Home" ;)
ETA: I'd take it before "Last Worthless Evening" as well of course :hilarious:
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:shock: I...uh....wow.....dang......better save up so he can say "Maleah.....I'm singing this to you" before he begins "Taking You Home" ;)
ETA: I'd take it before "Last Worthless Evening" as well of course :hilarious:
Can you imagine? :thud:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maleah
http://www.bostonherald.com/entertai...si#articleFull
This is a great email interview with Don in the Boston Herald. My favorite part:
"As for me, I’ve spent a few weeks in the studio, both in California and Texas, since the Eagles European Tour ended in late July. I’ve cut half a dozen tracks and we will record more in December, January and February. I suppose the work could be loosely defined as a country album. Some of it is very traditional, old-style country and some of it is not. There will be some interesting guest vocalists and players. I’d also like to mention that Timothy B. has a brand new solo album out."
YAY!! Looks like next year we will finally get that oft-promised solo album from Don. I can't wait! AND he gives a nice mention about Timothy's solo album too.
Let's see....another solo album usually means more solo dates, and by next year I will have worked long enough to get some paid vacation time so hopefully I can see a few solo concerts--with some of my favorite Border friends! It's all good. :nod:
Ooooh yes.....I can most definently imagine. :D I might go take a nap and "imagine" right now. :nahnah: However.....that's all I will be able to do...bummer lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Troubadour
The power of the mind is an amazing thing, Maleah! ;)
DF... Aaaahhhh, that is so exciting! Thanks so much for posting. I'm grinning from ear to ear.
How nice of him to mention Timothy's solo cd. Pretty cool. :thumbsup:
That was very cool of him to mention Tim's new album - and I'm very excited to hear that Don's new album is taking shape!
This part made me shake my head, though:
The above quote doesn't make much sense to me. I guess he means that since a small fraction of his fans would hear it on YouTube, it would no longer be something he wants to share with the rest of his fans? I daresay the majority of his demographic does not feverishly check YouTube! Odd logic. But hey, if it makes him feel better to not play any new songs, then that's his decision. He's still gonna put on a great show, and that's all I care about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Henley
BTW, I think Henley did a search about Dr. Alfredo Armendariz on Google to get all that bio information on him.
http://www.downstreamtoday.com/news/...spx?a_id=19140
See, the internet can be your friend, Don! ;)
It makes no sense to me at all. Who cares if it goes on YouTube? Many people (me) will never see the man solo anyway. Why deprive everyone else of the chance to hear new songs?
And in any case, it won't necessarily go on YouTube, because when Glenn did a couple of LROOE songs at solo shows before the album was released, those were never filmed by anybody.
I told myself I was probably just being critical when I read that statement about YouTube because he sometimes rubs me the wrong way with these things as I've made clear before so decided not to mention it. Glad to know others caught onto that also and that it doesn't make much sense to them either. What is his problem with fans enjoying his music?
Sounds like I'm in the minority here, but in this case I understand Don's point. Once a video shows up on Youtube hundreds of thousands of fans can have the recording for free and therefore make the decision to not pay for it when it comes out in "legit" form. I can understand the frustration in that lots of money and control are given up.
I guess we'll never understand his dislike of youtube. If only he knew, there were people like me out there. It was through youtube that I became a hardcore fan. I always liked the Eagles, but after watching so many of their videos on youtube, that's when I went full fledged fan. I've bought tix to their shows, purchased the entire Eagles catolog, bought shirts and am evening seeing solo shows.
That's our Don though... true to his reputation. At least he gave a pleasant nod to Timothy, which I thought I was cool.
I think that's exactly what Don believes, but is it accurate? Lots of people aren't interested in buying an album unless they've heard at least one song off of it - and since Don doesn't get played on the radio, YouTube videos are it. It also raises awareness that he even HAS a new solo album out at all, or is touring. Also, as LTL points out, there are people that become bigger fans because of the videos!Quote:
Originally Posted by Prettymaid
Conversely, I have never met any fan - even a casual fan - who has been content with a crappy-quality video that they can't even burn to CD or easily convert to MP3 instead of buying the music. Anyone who would settle for a shakily filmed, tinny sounding YouTube video of one or two songs from the album instead of the legit version is too cheap or too poor to buy the album anyway.
The only place YouTube costs him money is when videos show up from the Inside Job DVD or other commercially released DVDs. It's very true many people will not buy the DVD if they can stream the video. Music... not so much... especially crap quality live music.
So, you see, YouTube makes him money - but he'll never see that, I'm afraid. The mentality of YOUTUBE = EVIL is too deeply entrenched.
Ironically, it's a counter-productive negative emotional reaction akin to the mentality of people who believe that environmental initiatives will cost them money despite evidence to the contrary.... a mentality that Don criticizes in this very same interview. He believes YouTube will cost him money despite evidence to the contrary, and thus he sabotages himself.
Soda, I'd like to introduce myself... :blush: (Honestly, depending on who the artist is, I've done all three - downloaded a Youtube video or audio, bought a song(s) off of itunes, and purchased albums.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Did you not think that much of the song, then, that you had no desire to buy the album after hearing it?
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Originally Posted by sodascouts
Most of the stuff I download from youtube is older stuff, just one song I want on my ipod. But still, I think were it not for youtube this artist would have gotten my money, along with my fandom.
For a live video of a new song to cost Don money, two things have to happen:Quote:
Originally Posted by Prettymaid
1) The person was intending to buy his new album prior to viewing the video.
2) The person decided, after viewing the live video, that he no longer wished to do so.
In your case, it seems you are talking about an individual song that you would have bought the album exclusively for - that you liked the song that much, but were not interested in the other tracks. Hearing that one song in a live version on YouTube was sufficient, and you felt you no longer needed to buy the album you were intending to buy. Am I understanding this right?
That's not what I'm talking about here. That scenario is not readily applicable to new songs Don performs in concert that no one has ever heard before, especially since the live recordings would not be of commercial quality (I'm assuming what you downloaded wasn't filmed by a fan with a digital camera surrounded by noisy concert-goers, lol). Am I right?
Having trouble copying and pasting today geez---Anyways....
This part here really got me..."I have absolutely no regrets about making the deal with Wal-Mart. I think it was a brilliant move on the part of our manager, Irving Azoff. We know who our fans are. They’re the people who don’t steal music online; they still step up and buy the physical product. The Wal-Mart deal made it possible for these loyal fans to get 20 new Eagles songs for under twelve bucks, and we didn’t have to wrangle with the usual fiscal shenanigans of a major record label, so it was a win-win."
Guess what Don--I do both!!! I really don't see anything wrong with that. If I check out YouTube and like what I see, there is a much better chance of me buying it rather than just going into a store and buying it if I haven't listened to it yet.
Exactly, and personally, I can't see why he doesn't get this! Like I said above, I usually will go out and buy something AFTER I have seen or heard it on YouTube. It has definitely helped sell me stuff that I otherwise wouldn't have bought because I wasn't sure if I would like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Most of the audios I download from youtube are not live, but rather from albums or dvds.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
My example is not applicable to this particular scenario (Don performing new songs in concert), however because of people like me I can understand Don's overall view of youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
I can somewhat see Don's point here, but I do think he needs to "get with the program".
I grew up in the same era as Don, and I remember when the only way we had of hearing music was either on the radio or buying the album. There was also the occasional TV appearances that some musicians would make on shows like American Bandstand and Where the Action Is (yes, I'm old), but, by and large, the only way that we had music "on demand" was to purchase the album.
Obviously, that has all changed now, but I believe things actually started changing with the advent of MTV and VCRs. Now sure, MTV wasn't music on demand, but by recording a song/video on your VCR, you could listen to it anytime you wanted to (or at least if you were in front of a TV). The Internet and other technology such IPODs has changed the rules again, and now we pretty much really have music on demand without having to go out and purchase it. So I do think there has probably been a negative impact on record sales. BUT, at the same time, the internet also gives fans a venue that has never existed before. Just right here on this message board is living proof. I don't think there is any doubt that fan web sites, message boards, YouTube, Itunes, etc. help ignite the fan community's interest in a band like nothing that ever existed before. And that also translates into free marketing for the band. We don't have numbers to really judge the true overall impact, but one thing is certain - the internet isn't going away, so to me, the best thing an artist can do is embrace it and use it to their full advantage in any way they can.
And before this, remember the trusty boom box with cassette player/recorder? I used to tape songs straight from the radio onto cassette so I could listen to them whenever I wanted. I did that in 1972 when I couldn't afford to buy vinyl albums. Uh oh, piracy was going on even back then! But it evidently didn't affect how much money Don made as we all know he's now a multi-millionaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer
Yeah, I agree, Don needs to get with the program here with YouTube. It will promote him much more than he realizes. You'd think his kids (and Glenn's) would have helped change their minds on this by now.
I don't think anything will change their minds to be honest. They're old school.
Even w/the advent of itunes, you do have to pay for it. Yes, you can get some music free, but really, not the stuff you want. While I kinda understand what Don is getting at... it'll be on youtube and not new... well, yes and no. It's still going to be new, just not as fresh as hearing a CD for the very first time. Although, once you hear it, be it on youtube or a CD, it's never really "new" again, so I'm not sure what difference it makes.
Maybe we should have started a new thread for this, but it was Don who brought it up... in any case... I'm so very old school. I do not want the itunes or youtube stuff only. Yes, they are great when I'm at my computer and can watch stuff... or my ipod is great when I'm working out... but really, I want the CD in my hot little hand. I want to look at it, refer to it, touch it, carry it with me...
I'm thinking this new modern era of people are going to be split. Some like me and others like Prettymaid. Neither right or wrong, just different.
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Originally Posted by Brooke
Well Brooke, I certainly do remember those boom boxes - hell, I remember transistor radios! :shock:
And I'm sure some of you remember the recent discussion in Tim's forum regarding Expando. The majority of fans who paid to download the album from iTunes still said they will probably purchase the CD. I really do think that most people want the CD to see and touch and feel. Those people that only want 1 or 2 songs can download them, but they still have to pay for them. To me, it's pretty much the same as back in the days of vinyl where you could purchase singles or albums. Of course, if something shows up on YouTube it's free, but again, I'm not sure how this really translates in term of dollars and cents for the artist or if this free publicity encourages or discourages sales.
I think people need to remember that Henley is 62 years old now. He's an old man. As much as we cling to music of our youth and want it to remain young forever, the Don Henley who sang Boys of Summer nearly 25 years ago is gone.
He's nearly a senior citizen. Senior citizens don't embrace things like youtube and the like. Relish the memories and enjoy his past work, but accept the fact that he will not be embracing new technologies anymore. It's over.
First of all , welcome to The Border, eaglesfan. Hope you like it here, but with all due respect, some of us don't think 62 is old. And none of us have a crystal ball to be able to predict Don Henley's future behavior. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but making such broad, sweeping generalizations that aren't supported by fact is likely to invite challenges from some of our members here. :wink:
Firstly, welcome to the board. Secondly, I don't believe that's neccesarily true. Don's dislike of youtube has nothing to do with his age. If technology in 1984 had been what is today and youtube had been around he would have probably said the same thing. For example Stevie Nicks doesn't have a computer, but her dislike of computers goes as far back as the mid-eighties when she was dating Joe(I can't remember where I read this but it was in a Stevie interview). Also, while I'm a younger fan, some of the fans here are closer to Don's age and probably wouldn't appriciate that old man remark. (on a side note: Bette Midler, who is older than Don, has said that she loves youtube)Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglesfan
Welcome eaglesfan!
While I don't believe that the age of 62 makes Henley an "old man," I do think the majority of people around that age don't get the YouTube phenomenon. I know my parents don't, although they are a few years older. Obviously, as many people here demonstrate, that's not true for everyone of that age group!
Henley's anger and bitterness regarding YouTube could indeed stem at least in part from a lack of understanding about the mentality of those who enjoy using it.
We wouldn't have How Long on LROOE if soda hadn't posted it on YouTube!!! :grooving:
Very valid point, GL. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennLover
Which is why I'm so passionate about this subject!
:nod:
My sincere apologies...I didn't mean to insult anybody, but I can see how my wording might have done just that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer
"Old" is always a relative term. At 39, I'm an "old man" to many! I think Henley is 'old' insofar as things like Youtube are concerned...and I'm an old man insofar as my musical tastes; if you were to poll kids in high school or college today.
That all said, 62 is hardly washed up in every day life. In rock and roll and often times in terms of embracing technology, let's face it, it sorta is.
That doesn't mean the Eagles don't still put on a great show and it doesn't mean there isn't some good solo stuff to come.
and for those of you in here near Henley's age, I will tell you there was a time I thought 30 was old. I no longer do. Then, I thought 40 was old. I no longer do. Heck, I don't even think 60 is really old anymore.
And my 93 year old grandmother thinks people who are 60 don't respect their elders the way they should.
Seriously, my apologies...not a good way to introduce myself here and it was thoughtlessly phrased.
Well, if youtube had been around in the early or mid 1980's, and if Henley didn't embrace it and other Internet technologies, he would have not had the career he had. His audience is older (again, no offense, I'm part of that audience), and still is inclined to go to the store and plunk down $12 or whatever for a CD.Quote:
Originally Posted by whitcap
I actually thought it was natural that the Eagles did something through a place like Walmart. The record stores are increasingly no more, but their audience is much more inclined to go buy a physical cd than they are to download. So they have to go somewhere!
When I said technology I was actually talking about hand-held filming technology(camera phones, digital cameras, etc.). I just meant that he wouldn't want people in the audience filming his shows back then and putting them on youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglesfan
This just cracked me up!! :hilarious: And welcome from me also ef! Hope you enjoy it here.Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglesfan
Welcome EFan. Age is definitely a relative thing. I tend to agree with your theory that it is partially why Don despises Youtube. Look at what happened when Soda introduced the Eagles Twitter pages and Myspace and Facebook pages - those of us who are , let us say, more mature fans almost all posted that we were not interested in getting our own accounts. Some did, most did not.
Not to beat an "old" horse, but have you looked at how many rockers are 60 nowadays? I would challenge any number of 30-year-olds to go head to head with Bruce Springsteen as he runs, dances, jumps, cavorts, slides, and whatevers for 3 + hours (oh yeah, and sings better than ever) non-stop...night after night. Ditto for his band members. And John Mellencamp. And others in the music industry. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by eaglesfan
Welcome from a somewhat older fan than you...I'm sure you'll enjoy yourself here, and find that no one is short on opinion!
I know I'm coming a little late on this one but I have to remind my entire family sometimes that a tip is not 1-2$ but at least 15% and they still don't understand having not had to live on the salary of tips. I don't now but when I did it would make me cringe that someone would only leave $1-2. Of course having done the job myself I'm probably a little more critical on the service I receive so if someone is less than attending to the usual needs of customer service then 10% is all I'll leave. But if they are over the top then I will leave 20%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peekaboo
Here is an interesting article that Don did by e-mail prior to his London show. "E-mail? Isn't that something that is part of the Internet :hilarious:?
http://www.lfpress.com/entertainment.../11773081.html