Yeah, he could do all kinds of guitar stuff and still get the adoratiom he needs so much.
He could also move beyond Hotel California IMHO. The doubleneck guitar seems to be like a holy object to him now and he expects the audience to feel the same.
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Yeah, he could do all kinds of guitar stuff and still get the adoratiom he needs so much.
He could also move beyond Hotel California IMHO. The doubleneck guitar seems to be like a holy object to him now and he expects the audience to feel the same.
Yeah I agree on him getting the adoration.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaim
I mean you know how I feel about Hotel California. It's the best song the Eagles ever did IMO, and certainly my favorite and it saved my life, but he clings to it like it's *his* creation and his only. That part I don't like. I mean he's taking credit for things that he has no business doing. Yes, he had the first impetus for the song. But there is nothing to say that if DH and GF hadn't worked their magic or done their work on it that it would have been in the same stratosphere as successful. I would bet my own money it wouldn't have been. I'm a guitar lover, and I don't think much about lyrics nor do I look for complexity there, but even *I* don't like instrumental music. :lol: And by clinging to HC so much, he devalues the other things he's done in the band and the other parts he's created. So he's not only doing a disservice to Eagles fans who know the truth, but to himself.
Gotta give props to REO; they've started singing live again.Quote:
Originally Posted by WalshFan88
The way they handled "I'm getting closer than I ever thought I might" is the way I wish more bands would rearrange songs when their singers' voices changes. They are lucky that Dave has a high voice and can handle Kevin's parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ybA6NBByoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3_JsTOdIc
When I first heard Felder was doing TITTL my heart dropped. The man is not a singer. Glenn said it best! He's an amazing guitarist and writer but he can't sing and he has the charisma of a wet mop. He's no frontman. But he actually has his bassist sing this and it's not too bad! I was expecting the worst. I think he knew there would be criticism. :lol:
I still think the very best Eagles tribute band on planet earth could be Don Felder's band if Felder quit singing everything but his solo songs and left the DH and GF vocals to other vocalists. It would have so much credibility and authenticity with Felder's knack for playing things like the record and his musicianship and the fact it has an ex-Eagle in it. I would pay to see that anyday. Maybe get your bassist to sing the high songs and just hire one more guy who can sing in Glenn's range. It's not *that* much more money. Especially if is not some well known superstar singer. Then you would have a band that I would be over the moon to see. Felder's expert guitar playing but with good vocals.
While no one can touch Randy's vocal, I always have absolutely loved Glenn singing TITTL in a lower key - it almost sounds like Lyin' Eyes or Tequila Sunrise. The version on F1 is sublime. If it's not Randy I want to hear Glenn sing it. No one else. Not Vince Gill, not Felder (lol), not even Timothy. I think Timothy would have too much respect to sing it.
ITA Austin.Quote:
Originally Posted by WalshFan88
Glenn really made it his own song. Same lyrics, roughly similar instrumentation, but it took on a whole different thing when he sang it. It really had a smoother thing to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer
Well, Don F hasn't actually SUNG live for years, you know. 😄
Glenn and TITTL...I've heard that Glenn was once interviewed on the radio and there was a piano in the room. The interviewer asked him something about TITTL (maybe asked Glenn to play some of it?). Glenn said that he should be able to play it on the piano since he wrote it on a piano. Then he played it. Does anybody remember this? Is there an audio? I've never heard it, I've only heard ABOUT it.
True that - actually glad for Autotune in this case lol. Oh man.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaim
I have not heard that interview but I sure want to! Maybe Dreamer or Soda has it saved.
Austin, I don't think it's just Autotune. He has used the same backing tracks for years. Maybe it's not noticeable at the actual shows, but when you watch his performances on YouTube, it's embarassingly obvious. If he was honest about it I wouldn't mind since he's a guitarist after all, but YouTube is full of comments like "he still sings great!".
(People on YouTube, who watch his interviews, also say he's very humble. I've NEVER heard of another human being having announcer praising his/her accomplishments on an intro tape before a "humble" walk to the centre stage. 🤣 )
....Looks like he has a video that goes with that announcement now. It's a full commercial. 🤣
I think he does use tracks plus Autotune. Heck, the tracks are probably autotuned too!
And as far as his humility or lack thereof - I think and will always think his need for affirmation comes as a defense mechanism from his insecurity and him being passive-aggressive to our guys (Glenn, Don, Tim, Joe, etc.). Little man syndrome. I mean he wrote "You Don't Have Me". He was never happy that Glenn Frey had everything he wanted and embodied everything he wasn't. The constant comparisons really made him have some type of a victim complex and he felt he was being cheated by not singing VOL or more material. I mean Visions is pretty much of the Eagles worst tracks. I think GF and DH were more than fair in giving him a chance to sing. It didn't end well! :hilarious:
The sad thing is his own talent can stand on it's own damn two feet without the bravado. He's a masterful musician and he's a brilliant writer of musical parts. The fact he can't sing and that he's not an extroverted charismatic frontman is no fault of his own. And hey, Glenn wasn't the level of player Felder was either although being an underrated guitarist himself. Felder had brought something of value to the band when he joined. His contributions are not in any way shape or form minor or insignficant. He's a freaking rockstar and revered guitar player. But that isn't now and will never be enough for him. It's sad to see one of your heroes behave like this in his 70s. He will never change.
He really sank his own boat in the Eagles and he sank his own boat in the minds of people and Eagles fans with his behavior that started back in the 70s and that he is still doing to this very day. The Don Felder at Wrong Beach is still very much the Don Felder of today. Childish, petty, insecure, and vindictive. While it doesn't make him any less of a player, it does dampen his overall image and certainly my view on him has changed over the years. It's unfortunate. I think a lot of Eagles history would have been different had he changed his ways before the HFO reunion. And while Don and Glenn were feeling burnt out after The Long Run, I do blame the band's breaking up in the 70s on Felder in part. I think that was easier to tolerate though than his HFO and onward behavior. I'm glad that Glenn made the difficult choice to remove him from the band vs another breakup as the band had a good run after his departure that we wouldn't have had otherwise as well as the Long Road Out Of Eden album and the tours after he left. But maybe, just maybe, had he cleaned his act up the Eagles would have put out more music (with Felder!), done more tours, etc. Glenn and Don weren't saints. But they grew up!
Yeah, he was GREAT as a guitarist/co-writer in Eagles. He's still a GREAT guitarist That alone is so much more than most of us who play could ever be. No ridiculous pre-concert announcements needed.
Exactly chaim.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaim
It's sad and unfortunate that wasn't enough for him but that he felt like he had to wear all the hats and I genuinely think he spent the majority of his mental capacity while he was in the band comparing himself to Glenn and then after the band resenting it. He feels like he was the whole package or at least really wanted to be. And he wasn't. But he had something that Glenn didn't have in terms of guitar chops. He had more talent than most people walking earth. Very very rarely do you have someone who can truly do it all. Play like Felder while also able to sing as good as Don or Glenn and be entertaining or as charming as Glenn or Joe. I think he always wanted to be the triple threat but he didn't realize there are people like us that would do anything to just have what he did. He didn't have to do it all. He was enough. And most of us would be more than content!
chaim - Sorry, but I don't recall ever hearing an interview like the one you described here. I sure would love to hear it though. And with regard to Felder, it seems to me that he is unable to appreciate the gifts he has and be content and grateful. Instead his insecurities seem to continue to manifest themselves. Such a shame!Quote:
Originally Posted by chaim
I read in a guitar magazine a while back that they thought Joe and Don were the best guitar duo around and that was not counting Hotel CA. They loved the way they would play off each other. They had two different playing styles but could play so well together. Don's playing style and Joe's musical style made a heck of a team. Not only in the Eagles but when Don played with Joe after the breakup. One thing they liked was the way either one of them could just attack a solo but then step back and let the other play. They both were great players individually but when they played together they were way above others.
I knew a guy who work on the stage for the first HFO trial. He said how Joe and Don would get playing and it was on... Everything stopped till they got done. He said it was too bad they couldn't do it in the show. No singing but the strings were afire. It was like to little kids with anything you can do I can do better
That HFO situation must have been a beautiful thing to witness. Personally I've never understood why they had Don F and Joe in the band, but didn't let them "go crazy" together more, especially on albums. Felder does have phenomenal guitar parts on Eagles albums and Joe even has some beautiful keyboard parts, but what they had as a duo seems a bit like well-kept secret to me. 😅 There are things I still dislike about Felder and I still tend to say it sometimes, but as a guitarist he'll get zero complaints from me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scamp
As an addition to my previous post....Actually Felder himself doesn't really irritate me as much these days as the people who keep saying he's very humble and he still sings great and at the same breath bash Glenn and Don H. I see those comments every time I see a Felder video on YouTube. Felder is ok. He's just not humble and he doesn't sing, it's a track.
35:40 - 37-30. If all that he says is true, then why the intro tape about Grammys, Hall Of Fame and stuff? 🤣
https://youtu.be/IZPShguBOqU?si=9C1SBu1sPYYImNXy
I think that this must be who he is. He does this kind of thing a lot in his book. He often goes into long rants about something that happened and then ends it with something along the lines of 'but it really didn't matter to me'. Really?
Incidentally, Austin, do you know what Don F, Glenn and Bernie played on TITTL, the studio recording? Or did they all even play on it? Glenn didn't play piano snd there aren't that many guitar parts. I assume
that Don played the intro licks. He did them in that recent live performance and sounded great.
Yeah I don't buy the whole "it doesn't matter to me" bit. It clearly does if he's harping on it all these years later. He's an injustice collector and can't let things go. I agree Chaim, the comments of some of his fans are what gets me more than anything.
Scamp - that is so cool. They were absolutely a force to be reckoned with. A great guitar team.
Chaim - I don't know a lot about that song. I know Lyin' Eyes was a Telecaster into a Deluxe Reverb and After The Thrill Is Gone was his Les Paul into a Tweed Deluxe but I have no idea what he played on that song guitar wise. To me it sounds pretty Fender-y. I'm guessing just tone-wise it was a similar setup to New Kid In Town which was a Stratocaster into a Deluxe Reverb. One Of These Nights of course was a Les Paul into the Tweed Deluxe. Almost a guarantee that in the 70s it was either a Tweed era Narrow Panel Deluxe or Black Panel Deluxe Reverb for Don's amps. The only outlier is the Tweed era Champ on Victim Of Love. Otherwise he was a Fender Deluxe guy through and through in the studio. If it needed to be cleaner, Black Panel. If it needed some hair, Tweed. As far as guitars it was one of 3 - Les Paul, Strat, or Tele and only rarely Tele.
Remember the HfO tour was Joe's first sober playing...Don H, Glenn and Irving decided they should get Don F. i the band incase Joe couldn't get sober. They couldn't go on tour without the lead guitar. There is an early tape of Joe and Don playing Turn to Stone. It was long and I don't think Don H wanted any songs they couldn't sing.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaim
An interview with Joe about the Long Road Out of Eden he said that they had Stuart in the studio and he was such a great player that Joe only played guitar on his own songs and solo parts he has. He said he played mostly keyboard, organ and piano and Stuart played the guitar parts
On thing I really don't like about Felder was it was always "I had to play the bass part" or the mandolin or the lap steel. He always made it sound like he was the only one who could play any other instruments.
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Don seemed to be a LP player more than any other guitar. I always thought it was strange when I saw I'm play a strat and I think I've only seen him play a tele once. I think I've seen him play hie gretsch more than a tele.
I assume Glenn played rhythm parts on Eden as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scamp
....and keyboard/piano parts?
Tele was used always for Lyin' Eyes. Almost never other than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scamp
He actually used the Strat a fair bit but just not as much as the Les Paul. He used the Strat for NKIT, VOL, and I'm pretty sure TITTL. Live he used it for Take It Easy.