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No way is that an official release or we would have heard about it. It's amazing how quickly people just want to cash in.Quote:
Originally Posted by GlennLover
One of the track titles is 'Found Somebody'. Please.
I would like to see some revisiting of the solo work but this willl take time.
Thanks for pointing this out - I must admit in all the times I've listened to LITFL I've never really heard the clavinet apart from in the final chorus. There is so much going on guitar wise that my ears tend to be drawn to Joe and Don F's guitars. Does the clavinet appear anywhere else in the song?Quote:
Originally Posted by chaim
I'd totally agree with the inclusion of ICTYW. Although he doesn't sing the lead vocal, he plays what I think are probably the two most important instrumental parts (the Rhodes piano and the wonderful guitar solos) and although I cannot be sure, I suspect he was very important in shaping the overall sound and feel of the song. Don and Glenn's solo careers seem to bear this out - Glenn went on to make other soft R&B flavoured songs, a style Don didn't really revisit.
However, I do not agree with the inclusion of Busy Being Fabulous - I'm sure he contributed quite a lot to the song, but I'm not sure what he did with it to make it one of his top 20. Ignoring the obvious, the lyrics seem much more typical of Don's style than his, and the music does not shout out 'Glenn' to me either. I do like the song quite a bit, but I think there are definitely stronger candidates for such a list than BBF, including several from that album (*cough* Somebody *cough*).
I'm afraid I'm also getting a broken link for the list. Would anyone mind posting the songs on the list? They don't have to be in order if you don't want to spoil it for people who can access the article.
To my ears the clavinet is prominent in the verses (and the pre-chorus), but I don't know if Glenn plays it throughout the song. Check out the first verse, just after the word "city", where Glenn does this real cool "chord riff" on the clavinet. (continues beneath the words "he had a"). I've always loved that. At 0:42-43 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tcXblWojdM
Something great, although not necessarily apparent and in-your-face. That's Glenn!
I was going to try to post the list for you JCL, but I can't access it either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonny Come Lately
Is this the list?
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/li...songs-20160118
I posred this in the Remembering Glenn thread as well. It's a 2003 interview with the Detroit Free Press. http://www.freep.com/story/entertain...view/78987916/
That's it, UTW! Well done to you! Perhaps they have reinstated the link.Quote:
Originally Posted by UndertheWire
As you can now see the two other peculiar inclusions are Desperado & Wasted Time because of the piano. I would agree that Glenn never got sufficient credit for his work on those two songs, but I would have thought most people would see them as essential Don Henley songs. They should have looked deeper into his solo career, but it seems his solo career wasn't successful enough.
Also while I agree about Ramblin' Gamblin' Man I would also include Baltimore & Shame On The Moon regarding his harmonies (there are others on Baltimore but it's Glenn you listen to).
Thanks Toni - I listened out the song again and could hear the clavinet fairly well on the final verse, but then I also re-heard the bit you mentioned and you are quite right. That is a great little part, but I immediately knew why I'd never really noticed it until now and that is because the lines that immediately follow ('He had a nasty reputation as a cruel dude') are my favourites from the song. Until recently, the only part where I really noticed the clavinet most was actually the final chorus, where it is more prominent than elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by chaim
One other thing about LITFL I've noticed is that I think the song's title on the original studio version is always sung by Glenn and Randy together (I definitely hear both their voices, but I don't hear Don's there), but these seem to be the only lines which anyone other than Don sings in the whole track. I think Those Shoes is quite similar in that Glenn and Tim sing in the first verse after Joe's solo, otherwise it's all Don there too. Please correct me if I'm wrong with either of these.
FP, I agree with you about Wasted Time, which I don't think should be on this list, but I think Desperado can be justified for two reasons - Glenn did play the piano introduction to the song, which is a lot more iconic than the piano on WT (I've seen it make lists of the best 25 piano parts in rock) and he has also sung it in his own live performances even though he wasn't the original lead vocalist. For whatever reason, I definitely think it seems less quintessentially Henley, and somehow more 'Glenn' than Wasted Time.
Thanks to UTW for reposting the list, in a way I was quite glad that I wasn't the only one who had problems with it as it showed that it wasn't anything wrong with my computer or internet.
A link to the first article below was posted earlier in this thread. The article was published in the New York Daily News just one day after Glenn's death. I was terribly disturbed that someone that is supposed to be a professional journalist would be so insensitive and self-indulgent.
Well - it seems I wasn't alone. I found another article that the writer posted the following day about the much deserved backlash he had received. I am posting both articles below ...
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.2501461
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.2502910Quote:
BY Gersh Kuntzman NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Updated: Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 3:43 PM
Glenn Frey’s death is sad, but the Eagles were a horrific band
No disrespect to Glenn Frey — whose death this week is a cause for genuine mourning — but the Eagles were, quite simply, the worst rock and roll band.
And hating the Eagles defines whether a music fan is a fan of music or just a bandwagon-jumper.
Through the early 1970s, the Eagles defined the “easy listening” genre, as if rock and roll is supposed to be a warm glass of milk to get you to bed.
Remember during the peak of this band’s fame — 1972-76 — Lou Reed put out “Walk on the Wild Side” and the LP “Berlin. David Bowie did “The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars.” The Stones did “Exile on Main St.” The Sex Pistols formed. Even Eagle-influenced Neil Young went on a bender with “On the Beach” and “Tonight’s the Night.”
But the Eagles kept churning out pop pap: “Peaceful Easy Feeling,” “Desperado,” “Take it To the Limit,” “One of these Nights,” “Already Gone” and “Best of My Love,” which to this day sounds even too soft for an elevator.
Even the band’s most-played song, “Take it Easy,” is a soulless take on Jackson Browne’s version, which at least suggests that the girl in rapidly decelerating flatbed Ford might have something on her mind than sharing a soda at the diner. Frey even co-wrote the song — which shows how poorly his Eagles bandmates did by him.
How generic were the Eagles? When the much edgier and much more musically inventive Steely Dan needed a band to mock, it chose the Eagles.
“Turn up the Eagles, the neighbors are listening,” a cuckholded husband tells his wife so that the people next door won’t think anything is amiss in the house.
Walter Becker and Donald Fagen captured it in one line: the Eagles were suburban conformity, writ large — the music you mom and dad would let you play on the living room hifi (you could go upstairs and listen to the Clash after dinner).
Even the Eagles’ signature hit, “Hotel California,” endures only because of its mysterious lyrics, which hint at political upheaval in the Golden State. But the song offers little for anyone but a small group of nerds trying to decode it. It’s the Eagles’ version of “American Pie,” a solid song, but ultimately a novelty one.
This diatribe has one caveat: Joe Walsh. The greatest of all Eagles always kept his soft-rock comrades at arm’s length, the better to maintain his sanity and his outside identity as a musician who had a pair (a pair of hits, I mean: "Life's Been Good" and "All Night Long").
The Eagles' greatest hits -- the album that everyone brought to college and no one wanted to listen to again.
There’s a reason Walsh wasn’t an original Eagle, but asked to join the band. He played guitar like a rock star. His solo (with Don Felder) in “Hotel California” is the only reason to listen to the song. His riff on “Life in the Fast Lane,” also on the “Hotel California” LP, marks the only good portion of the Eagles’ discography.
There is no greater example of the Eagles’ ultimate place in music history than an insult delivered in "The Big Lebowski", the Coen Brothers’ icon of cool. In a seminal scene, The Dude (Jeff Bridges) gets into a cab only to be insulted by Frey singing “Peaceful Easy Feeling” over that countrified guitar. He asks the driver to change the station, saying, “Man, I’ve had a rough night and I hate the f---ing Eagles!”
He gets thrown out of the cab by the driver, who clearly doesn’t care about music, but just wanted to take it easy.
A sportscar with hot woman drives by playing “Viva Las Vegas.”
That’s all that the Coen Brothers needed to say.
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BY Gersh Kuntzman NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, January 20, 2016, 8:00 AM
I’m the most hated man in America for writing negatively about Glenn Frey and the Eagles!
You’re welcome, America.
Judging by the response to my column Tuesday about how much I hate the Eagles, our nation has finally set aside its bitter debate over guns, Donald Trump, ISIS and Sean Penn in favor of laser-focused hatred of me.
Like I’ve always said, I’m a uniter, not a divider. Happy to do my part, nation.
For the record, all I said was that the Eagles were a bad rock band in an era of unparalleled innovation in music. It’s an opinion — one that I still believe is shared by a vast but silent minority of music fans.
The column unleashed an avalanche of hate mail that buried me deeper than anything I experienced after more controversial pieces. Guns? Gay marriage? War? Peace? The lie of iced coffee? Nothing earned me so much anger as my contention that the Eagles were just Barry Manilow with guitars. (Sorry, Manilow fans!) One woman called me "the worst thing about America." Not poverty, hunger, homelessness or violence. No, Gersh Kuntzman.
The hate mail led to unintended attention, making me a target on Yahoo News, radio shows, the New Yorker and countless blogs (here's my favorite). Usually, I’d let a column speak for itself — hey, I had my say — but so many people are misrepresenting my motive that I need to offer an insight into why I wrote what I wrote when I wrote it.
First things first: I was not dancing on Glenn Frey’s grave. From all accounts, he was a good man. Was it tasteless to write negatively about the Eagles hours after his death? On this, I plead no contest: The main occupational hazard of journalism is that we must write about timely subjects. That’s what we do. And the Eagles, by unfortunate dint of Frey’s death, were certainly timely on Tuesday. People wanted to know everything they could about the band and Frey — and some Google searchers probably wanted columnists to assess the band’s place in music history.
In a fast-paced news culture, taste can be collateral damage. The goal is to make sure people who are interested in a topic can get all the news they need.
But we all know that opinions are like a--holes — and to most of you, mine stinks. But I never said my opinion of the Eagles is the only valid one. I just said it was mine. Many of my detractors — I’m looking at you, Boomer and Carton — suggested that the Eagles’ overwhelming sales figures by definition make them a great band.
No, sorry. Just because millions of Baby Boomers toss down billions of $10 bills for records doesn’t mean they are right. Kids today have made One Direction the era’s biggest selling band — but in 50 years, will we be mourning Harry Styles like Glenn Frey? I think not.
Other email writers said my goal was just a click-bait ploy of “going negative.” My record speaks for itself: I praise the praiseworthy and nip the heel of the overrated. Isn’t that what journalism is about?
Some of my correspondents have called for my death, which I think is a bit ironic coming from fans of a band that wanted us to “Take it Easy” and enjoy a “Peaceful Easy Feeling.”
You are right that my contributions to the world pale by comparison to Glenn Frey’s — and it is equally true that no one will mourn my passing except for a couple of kids in Brooklyn — but I will defend your right to cement my sub-par place in American letters after I am gone.
Finally, to those of you who just made fun of my surname, I think you could do better. I may be rightfully accused of dancing on a great musician's grave, but noticing the vulgar possibilities of my last name reminds me of third grade (and here come those tears again!).
In my previous post I had linked to both of those articles as well as the reader's' reactions to the first article.