One of those typical journalistic goof-ups. Some journalists think the band hasn't been together since 1980, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by tequila girl
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One of those typical journalistic goof-ups. Some journalists think the band hasn't been together since 1980, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by tequila girl
Having just recently watched videos of the release into the wild of the eagles I invested so much time watching from the nest to the wildlife center I really enjoyed this video, although having learned a lot on the subject my first response to them handling the adult eagle was that they were not properly holding it's head!
But at least they knew some Don Henley trivia! :cool:
I enjoyed that, thanks Koala!
Don Henley Urges Artists to Know Their Rights
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-their-rights/
That video... Sigh.
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Originally Posted by Koala
There are a few of these stories out atm. These were my google alerts tonight.
http://www.licklibrary.com/news/2011...sicians_rights
http://www.antimusic.com/news/11/aug...r_Music_.shtml
http://www.antimusic.com/news/11/aug...r_Music_.shtml
Don Henley: Internet theft is a job-killer, too
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...t-ip-act_n.htm
Very interesting article. Must go check out the US law-making process... I get the feeling a lot more bills are introduced and discarded over there!
Thanks for the link, Koala.
Just got around to reading Henley's op-ed from USA Today - very interesting indeed. He certainly is a formidable rhetorician.
For those who are interested in hearing both sides of the debate, here are some other viewpoints:
Partial responses from the EFF, whom Henley includes in his criticism: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/n...m_campaign=rss (I find the first response much better than Templeton's, which suffers from the fatal flaw of cheesy incorporation of Eagles titles - I was cringing as I read it).
A couple other responses:
http://brainwagon.org/2011/08/26/don...rotect-ip-act/
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/95333/a...rotect-ip-act/
Thanks for the links, Nancy. I found this particularly interesting in the last link:
"What if only one page contains infringing material and the rest is perfectly legal?"
I wonder if this means that if somebody makes a comment on an article and posts a link in their comment, that this would be infringing material?
New Zealand has just introduced new laws (effective today!) around this area. It's been controversial, to say the least.
I could easily see this type of thing happening. Already this kind of "scorched earth" policy can be seen on sites such as YouTube, where user accounts with many harmless, perfectly legal videos are obliterated if they put up more than two "infringing" videos. Plus, since the policy is "guilty until proven innocent", someone could make a false complaint about a video infriging and YouTube will take it down, no questions asked. It assumes the complaint is valid and does not investigate -too much trouble. If the complaint was false, you're the one who has to prove it. In other words, anytime you are suspected of infringement, you have to prove your innocence - they don't have to prove your guilt unless you appeal. That's not how American justice is supposed to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaglesKiwi
The Righthaven controversy of last year also speaks to this possibility... only instead of a targeted site being forced to pay a fine to a private entity and then continuing on, the site would be eradicated from search engines and essentially have access to it cut off unless it took circumventing actions. I take no comfort in the fact that this bill is addressed towards foreign sites. The precedent it sets would be easily applicable to domestic, non-commercial ones in the future. Plus, the language includes domestic sites in those it would obliterate from search engines if those sites "enable" the foreign sites in some way such as linking to them.
The dangers of blowing away site access due to the posting of links by third parties is especially true if the DMCA "Safe Harbor" legislation were to be gutted, as Henley wants it to be (DMCA "Safe Harbor" protects a site from being held liable for infringing uploads by its users - see Henley's thoughts on it here). However, the DMCA aspect is a separate issue so I'll refrain from going off on that tangent any further.
It's a thorny issue. While few condone illegal behavior and Henley's frustration is understandable, this attempt at a solution seems at best ineffective and at worst the first step down the slippery slope of internet censorship.
My reaction to the PROTECT IP act is similar to my reaction to the PATRIOT act. Both acts address real problems, both have good intentions, but overall both provide ineffective solutions that set dangerous precedents for government intrusiveness. Henley's language about those who object to the PROTECT IP act being aligned with criminals is also very reminiscent of the rhetoric used to push through the PATRIOT act. That kind of language seems designed to intimidate people into keeping silent if they object, and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth, frankly. I just trust that such was not Henley's intent and that, as a reasonable fair-minded man, he would welcome intelligent debate.
I respect Henley's intellect tremendously and I understand his desire to find solutions to industry problems, but I feel he is backing the wrong horse here.
Hmm, I see what you mean. The NZ law seems to have been rushed through, and nobody's really happy with it. Copyright holders have to pay the ISP to issue the infringement notices - not great if you're a new artist without a lot of money - and it's then up to the person receiving the infringement notice to prove their innocence. Also, the account holder is liable regardless of who has done the downloading - if you get 3 infringements it's a NZ$15,000 fine - but I'm not sure who actually gets the money - I'm picking it's not the artist!!
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/ne...issue-20110907
He says at the end his album will probably come out 'in the spring'. After Glenn's, I suppose. I am reluctant to comment about the two albums competing with each other.
Interesting article. While admittedly I don't know all the ins and outs of the issue, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that the artists should own their own masters. What he says about the labels essentially screwing people over for decades is one of the reasons I can't muster up much sympathy when the labels cry about how they don't get as much revenue as they used to. Maybe it's simply a natural adjustment - they used to get too much.
I think it's commendable that he mentions he has "four children" instead of the typical "my wife and I have three children" bit - although it is a bit mind-blowing to think Don Henley has a daughter older than I am. While it's not my business how he intends to divide his estate, I have to admit, I admire that he takes responsibility for his first child and intends to provide for her despite the fact she was born outside of marriage. Too many guys turns their backs on their kids in those circumstances.
I don't think they will be competing with each other. I think people who are fans of the Eagles would be willing to buy both - heck, given the amount we shell out on tickets, we're used to investing in our passion! :hilarious:Quote:
Originally Posted by Freypower
He has a valid point about them being independent contractors. The law in NZ has been pretty thoroughly tested on employee vs contractor in various industries - is it as clear cut in the US?Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
I'd also be interested to see how much artists make/have made in the past from actual record sales vs touring, merchandise, and other endorsement type activity... and how much the artists get vs the record labels. Is that sort of info published anywhere?
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
I agree with this, EK - I don't view this as a competition. As was mentioned in another thread, Glenn chooses to keep a much lower public profile than Don, so it would not be at all surprising to me if Don's album is better promoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaglesKiwi
Good questions that I don't have the answers to. I once tried to look up those figures regarding revenue stream percentiles for a question LTL had posted a while back, and they're surprisingly hard to find in any specifics - just lots of vague "Most of the money is made by touring" type statements. I do remember an interesting quote from Glenn - he said their iTunes royalties added up to the equivalent of the amount of money the Eagles made in "39 minutes on stage in Kansas City."Quote:
Originally Posted by EaglesKiwi
Somehow that doesn't surprise me. I think I've heard Don say something about the band only getting 10 cents per download.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Sounds like most of the money is still going to the labels...
Beat It: The Top 10 Singing Drummers
http://www.gibson.com/en-us/Lifestyl...ers-0916-2011/
Thanks for posting that Koala. Although, I'm not a fan of these type lists, this one isn't too bad. Of course, I think they got the #1 and #2 spots reversed. I do think David Grohl is very talented - but not more than the talented Mr. Henley! :nope:
If people like the Rare Earth & Husker Du drummers are included, then where is Roger Taylor from Queen? :-x
Well, it depends on how much weight you give drumming vs. vocals. I think Don Henley is a much better singer than Grohl, but Grohl is a much better drummer. Check out his work with Nirvana before most of us even knew he could sing.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqktrGnryOM&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
When has Don ever thrown himself into his drumming like that?
On the other hand, Grohl's voice has a gritty intensity that works well within his genre, but doesn't have the emotional range of Don's. When Grohl tries to do ballads and slower numbers, his voice loses its power IMHO. Don can sing anything and make it his own.
How often does Dave Grohl sing lead and drum at the same time?
He sang backing vocals while drumming on occasion, but never lead as far as I know. I don't believe he ever did "Marigold" live with Nirvana, and that was his only lead vocal for them.
AMEN my sister!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Freypower
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDNFJpil50[/ame]
And I agree with Soda---David did NOT sing lead while drumming with Nirvana. That's messed up! And Levon Helm at #10? A lot of people would disagree with that!!! Not a great list!
One might argue that comparing Grohl's drumming style with Henley's is not really fair in the sense that Henley has to conserve his energy to sing lead. That's a valid point when it comes to the way they drum in concert.
However, if you turn to the studio recordings where it's not necessary to sing and drum at the same time, you'll hear the same marked difference in style. Of course, you'll have to look at 70s Eagles recordings for this, because Henley doesn't drum on his own solo albums (!) and I have a feeling he didn't drum much, if at all, on the Long Road Out of Eden album (hence the lack of attribution on the liner notes). Anyone disagree?
In the other thread I just said that I was frustrated because of the lack of information about who plays drums on LROOE. I wish I could hazard a guess. He must do some of it because he's credited... surely. I have always thought maybe Business As Usual & Frail Grasp were him playing drums. But I have no evidence.
Sounds like the Eagles will be busy next year. Good news for us!
http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...cid=sitesearch
(To give credit, L&M posted a mobile version on Facebook that prompted me to search for this).
Great find !!
Very informative, especially:
Henley said: "A 40th Anniversary burst of activity is due in 2012."
Additionally: "We've got several projects in the works, including a record, a docmentary, more touring and, in a couple of years a theatrical production based on our musical catalog."
I'm loving the sound of that!! :thumbsup:
I wonder what he means by 'a record'.
I'm thinking -- rather than a whole new album of new material which we would all love but I don't see happening -- they'll release a
"Recorded Live" album of the last tour. He didn't say a new album. He said a record. That to me intimates no new material. Just MHO.
If not a new album, the "live" record seems to be their only other option. I doubt they could release another greatest hits cd. What would they name it? The very, very, very, very Best of the Eagles? Doubtful.
I literally jumped out of my chair when it said "more touring". YES! :thumbsup:
Me too!! :partytime:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tori
I'm hoping it's the start of another long, worldwide tour (maybe over several years so they get decent breaks too).
I'm not as excited about the touring bit as I am the new record and dvd bit!! How freaking exciting is all of this?!?!?
Maybe they've decided to go through with Glenn's idea about recording covers of songs done by their musical inspirations. We could hear the Eagles do "On the Way Home."
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Originally Posted by Tori
Me Three!! I'm sure Wisconsin will be on the tour list. :thumbsup:
Obviously everyone can see this already, but I moved the "Back To Basics" posts into the "Don In The Press" thread since it is an interview. Looks like it worked! Carry on! :thumbsup:
Houston Audubon Society honors Don Henley, Caddo Lake Institute
http://www.chron.com/life/society/ar...do-2207731.php
Don attends the dedication of a church in honor of his friend journalist John Gordon (small photo included of Don joining others in prayer):
http://www.marshallnewsmessenger.com...1167b4a9d.html