So is mine! :blush: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer
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So is mine! :blush: :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer
:rofl: That's still on my wish list ......... atm. :hilarious: :hilarious:
I'll add my counterpoint to this: even with Henley's cooperation, I actually thought the book didn't portray him in the best light. Some of the comments the author made seemed unnecessarily b*tchy in my personal opinion! Don's contributions are always referenced as "according to Henley" (i.e. implying "this is just Don's memory/viewpoint and take it with a grain of salt if you wish) however comments from others are presented as facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freypower
I agree that it talks very little about Glenn, and certainly doesn't do his talents justice. Indeed the overall impression I got was that the author was looking for "Dirty Laundry" rather than trying to tell the story of the band's creativity and music.
Well, that's probably because at the end, Henley turned against the author, threatened lawsuits, and tried to sabotage the book's sales. At least, that's what the author claims in the addendum to the book.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaglesKiwi
Personally, though, I like it when an author says "according to..." when using information from a source. The tendency to present opinion as fact is one of the reasons why these biographies can be so misleading.Quote:
Don's contributions are always referenced as "according to Henley" (i.e. implying "this is just Don's memory/viewpoint and take it with a grain of salt if you wish) however comments from others are presented as facts.
Oh, I missed that bit! :nahnah:. I wonder if he had read any of it at that stage.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
I like it too - I just think it should be consistently applied to ALL a biographer's sources. If it's an ex-girlfriend's story or another's musician's opinion or somebody else's quote then it's still just personal opinion and can still be misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Welcome, Topkat!
There's an uncorrected proof version of To the Limit of Ebay. I wonder if anything is different between this and the final version.
I doubt it - at that point it's usually about correcting typos. However, I guess you never know!
I have the version of the book which doesn't contain the addendum, although I have read the addendum. I think Eliot was upset that after portraying Don so glowingly, Don then turned against him so hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Yes, Don had read it. That was the problem. According to the author, Don had agreed to cooperate only if the author didn't go on about Don's trouble with the law in 1980. While the author glossed over the incident, he did indeed mention it, and Don was enraged.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaglesKiwi
Well, if Elliot did, in fact, go back on his word, then I don't blame Don - I would have been pissed too! :nod:
I picked up "To The Limit" yesterday & am already almost halfway through it. I don't really see it as negative toward Don Henley, but that is so far!
My opinion so far is that it goes into the management & the recording deals way too much for my interest, but I guess that's a big part of the story. What I find more interesting is the early days of forming the band, where they came from, how they got to LA & what happened during the recording of the albums. That stuff is a good read, as well as stories about some of their relationships with Linda Ronstadt, Jackson Browne, Crosby, Stills & Nash; all interesting stuff. According to the Acknowledgments, Henley, Walsh, & Meisner were interviewed for the book, which could explain the lack of information about Glenn.
It isn't negative towards Henley. It is entirely pro-Henley. The only negativity occurred when Eliot published a new edition of the book & Henley complained about it. Eliot then wrote a long addendum where he basically trashed Henley's behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topkat
I think it is possible to write a decent book about the Eagles and include rather more 'information' or analysis about Glenn than Eliot chose to give, even if he did not have access to Glenn. My point is that Eliot appeared to gloss over or minimise Glenn's work.
Just received a notice from Amazon that the new Eagles book will be released 10/4 instead of 10/11.
They also offered a new Fleetwood Mac book that is suppose to be release on the same day, so I preordered that.
Well after writing this, I received two more e mails from Amazon and now I am so confused that I'll just let you know when I get both books. :confused:
Thanks for the info, AzEF. Based on what I'm hearing from you all that have read it, I guess I'm going to go ahead and order the book. I figured that I would unless you all had convinced me that it was hardcore suckage! :wink:
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Originally Posted by Freypower
You are absolutely 100% correct...the book is completely "PRO-HENLEY"..until Don started complaining..BTW, in that book, doesn't Eliot mention Henley getting married to some TV news girl, or am I not remembering this correctly???.....seems to me I've heard people say that Don has only been married to Sharon, but yet I seem to recall something said in that book about a wedding...?????????:eyebrow:
The only wedding I remember was the one to Sharon. However, I have a 'pre-release' version of the book (very similar to what someone posted last week from ebay) that I got at a flea market a long time ago. It does NOT reference Don's incident with the underage hooker. Just that there was an incident of some kind and that he had been set up. The entire portion is a direct quote from Don. And, there is no appendix or addendum that trashes Don's behavior. There's an acknowledgement in the back that gives a very gracious thank you to Don for his cooperation. Until I joined this board and read these reviews, I never realized it was different.
I have the book in front of me now. The breakdown of the addendum:
According to Eliot, Henley "was furious that while I had eliminated the offending passages, I had still referred, in the most general way and without any details or incriminating material, to the episode [regarding his trouble with the law in 1980] he had so vehemently objected to" (271).
Henley also claimed there were lies in the book such as the statement that he had a perm (I am using Eliot's example here, which was presumably given because it is the most ridiculous. However, it is Eliot who begins to look a bit ridiculous when he proudly states he would not give in to the pressure to hide the fact that Don had a perm and spent half a day defending this choice. Oh my gosh, really?? This is what Eliot considers a noteworthy example of his journalistic integrity? LOL).
Note: Eliot is referring to the original edition, not a later modified one. Henley was displeased with the original. However, Eliot didn't realize this until after he had already written the nice thank-yous and sent it to the publisher. In fact, Eliot says he believed Henley would like the book since he had so much input into it, and that he was completely blind-sided by Henley's rage.
What it boils down to is that Henley felt personally betrayed by Eliot, and reacted badly... to put it mildly.
According to Eliot, Henley first had his lawyers threaten a lawsuit and then, when it became apparent that such threats were impotent, began a campaign to sabotage the book's sales. This campaign consisted of Henley pressuring stores not to allow book signings or at the very least not promote the book. He apparently told any book or record store thinking of doing a book signing with Eliot that he would do an album signing there himself if Eliot's appearance were cancelled.
Eliot then places the blame on Henley's antics for the fact that his book did not sell well.
Is Henley a scapegoat for Eliot's book's failure or did Henley really damage its sales? In my opinion, Henley probably damaged its sales to a degree, but not enough to cause the book's sales to drop worldwide. I'm afraid he damaged his dignity much more than Eliot's book sales; indeed, the media reporting on his determined efforts to quash the book might have even piqued interest in it. I imagine Eliot is misguided in laying all the blame for the book's failure at Henley's door.
At any rate, Henley's behavior backfired considerably. It inspired Eliot to publish an "updated" version of the book with this addendum which not only detailed Henley's sabotage attempts and made him out to be a frothing-at-the-mouth irrational and hypocrital jerk, but also devoted a paragraph to giving details about the incident that Henley did not want even vaguely referred to. Ouch.
Me, I always read such things wondering what the REAL story is about what went down between them. Henley doesn't seem like the type to go ballistic for no good reason. There's always more to it than folks are willing to tell you... and that includes Eliot.
This all sounds really petty. Henley overreacted. I mean to get upset over the perm. OMG. His lawyers would have sued if there were grounds for it. The book made Henley look great. I don't know what he was complaining about.Quote:
According to Eliot, Henley first had his lawyers threaten a lawsuit and then, when it became apparent that such threats were impotent, began a campaign to sabotage the book's sales. This campaign consisted of Henley pressuring stores not to allow book signings or at the very least not promote them. He apparently told any book or record store thinking of doing a book signing with Eliot that he would do an album signing there himself if Eliot's appeareance were cancelled.
Sometimes I think Henley overthinks things. I mean if he didn't mention these things, nobody would even give a rats ass about his perm or the incident with the underage girl. I even heard him admit to the incident in a TV interview, I believe on "60 Minutes". I even think the interview is on YouTube.
Don needs to chill. Sometimes if you just ignore things like this they go away. He made it worse by overreacting & bringing attention to it.
True, Henley should have left it alone, but even I have found several passages where Eliot got facts wrong. It wasn't just the perm; that was Eliot's cherry-picked example.
I haven't read any of the books cause I really didn't want to have any of the negative crap in my head, so I can't comment, but if I could I'd say: WTF????? Are we taking the word of some wanna be, nobel prize not winning wanna be and calling it Gospel? I don't think so. Just sayin. . . . .
There were lots of things Eliot got wrong, and I don't agree with the assessment that Henley came off looking good. Put it this way, if this book were the only insight into who Don Henley is and was, I would not be a fan. I wouldn't want to meet him, and he'd be one of those people I'd warn my teenagers to not idolize (if I had any). I closed the book thinking him an obsessive compulsive freak who had a stick up his... At the end of the book, Eliot's interpretation of Don's Hall of Fame speech is a great example. Then I remembered the source and remembered the interviews I've seen and most importantly, the song lyrics he's written.
Anyway, I'm an avid reader and until Borders did the unthinkable and closed their doors, I lived there. And I had never heard of this book until I saw it on sale for $0.75 at a flea market. So, the 'publicity' over it didn't affect my decision one way or the other. I read it back then and a friend asked if it was worth their time to borrow it and I said 'no'. It didn't help that the end is basically the HFO tour and R&RHF induction and without the internet at my disposal, even I knew that Glenn had a girl and a boy and not two boys. Such a glaring error towards the end of a book is guaranteed to leave you walking away thinking most of it was probably in error. The credibility was gone and I'd never pay another cent to read anything else the man ever wrote.
I totally agree that there were mistakes there. He also said that Tim had 2 boys & a girl, & we know he has 2 girls & a boy.
It is listed as an Unauthorized Biography, so you have to take it with a grain of salt. I thought it was worth reading, but I didn't believe it was all true. Like I said, if there were grounds to sue him, they would have done so. I only took it out of the library, so this guy Eliot didn't make any money off me.
Seems this guy is a good friend of one of the managers, or agents (don't remember which one), so much of the information is probably through him. I certainly did see some errors & conflicting dates of things too, but I didn't really see the book as negative toward any of them.
Another thing that irks me about Eliot's mistakes is the way they keep appearing in later books. So many authors who don't feel like doing their own research use him as a source, and recycle those same mistakes. Heck, even FELDER recycled some of Eliot's material for his freaking autobiography!
Maybe this new official "Story of the Eagles" Glenn spoke of will clear some things up. I'd also love it if the guys did individual autobiographies.
Exactly Joanie!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Henley Honey
I did pull out You'll Never Make Love In This Town Again and think I might read it. Especially since a few of you just recently declared it your favorite. :hilarious:
Only read the Glenn chapter. The two Don chapters make him out to be a perv.
Then I'm definitely reading the 2 Don chapters also!!! :drool: :hilarious:
Does anyone have the book 'Eagles - Essential Interviews' by John Luerrson, published in April 2009?
If so, it is worth getting?
I don't have it, Steph. I seem to remember something being discussed about it on the board before, but I can't find anything. I went back and looked at a couple old threads where I thought it may have been discussed.
Anyway, speaking of old threads, I found another thread titled exactly the same as this one, so I hope you don't mind if I merge the two.
I've been looking for the book too, but I can only find it at a ridiculous price (over $100 + shipping from the UK). It is a limited edition book. As far as I know it is a collection of the interviews that the Eagles did in the 70's, most of which we have probably read. However, it is an Eagles book so I will buy it if I find it at a realistic price.
GLennLover, It's available in the UK from Waterstones who ship internationally. Check it out here:-
http://www.waterstones.com/waterston...views/6790447/
Waterstones are a major book seller in the UK and they have all of the Eagles books on their web site.
Thanks, Steph!!! I'll give it a try.
Well I opened my Christmas gifts last night and among other things I got the new Eagles book (Taking It To The Limit). Let me just say WOW. The pics in this book are more high quality and nicer than the others IMO. Maybe I'm biased because there is a lot of guitar pictures, but the images are high quality and super nice. I have not started reading it yet, just looked at the pictures. Great pics of the HC era Felder/Walsh duo. Good stuff!
I ordered both Taking It To The Limit and To The Limit The Untold Story of the Eagles!...more necessities of life!
Zelda,
I couldnt agree more.
I love my Eagles books.
Did you find the one we were talking about in hardback??
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I even want to re read felders book again so I think I will order it on my nook or paperback ..easier to carry around.
tt:computer:
Who wrote this book???Quote:
Originally Posted by TimothyBFan
If I buy I wanna get the right one please
Thanks
tt
tt - This is also fondly referred to as "the hooker book" because it was written by three former high-priced Hollywood hookers - Robin Greer, Liza Greer, and Linda Hammond about their escapades with celebrities. Don H. and Glenn are both featured in the book and have some 'interesting' chapters written about them. To be perfectly honest, I never read anything except for the chapters on Glenn and Don so I can't really say how good the book is overall.
Thanks for the answer VA>Quote:
Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer
I will add to my list...Cant be any worse or better the=ant he Grey series.lol
I couldnt understand when I googled it why i came up with Hooker info.lol
Burner on me ,,,first I heard about it.
But addes to the list.:computer:
yeah I found it and then decided to get the other one too...I figure one cannot have too many Eagles books!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiffanny Twisted
oh my I've not heard of this one...put another one on the list of life's necessities!...the more I think about it maybe I don't want to read it!....nah:hilarious:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer