Well, I can see how it would be awkward, lol.
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Well, I can see how it would be awkward, lol.
No kidding! :hilarious:Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Some Stevie fans banded together to get a tape of Stevie's demos off Ebay and found a real treasure - a never-before-circulated demo that has been dubbed "Priest of Nothing." Why am I posting this here? Because the demo consists of Stevie singing her own lyrics over Joe's instrumental pieces "Innertube" and "Theme from Boat Weirdos"!
You can find two versions of it here:
http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=47577
How cool is this???????
VERY, very cool!!! Listening to them now! Love it!
I've listened several times. Stevie sounds a bit rough but I don't care - just the fact that she is putting lyrics to Joe's tunes is super-cool!
Agreed! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Now the two versions of "Priest of Nothing" are up on YouTube, for those who prefer streaming:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-ZSWaX1T4&feature=related[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80MWMTuJCDs&feature=related[/ame]
I notice one of the lyrics is, "So she turned her head... and walked away." Considering the context, I wouldn't be surprised if she nabbed that from Joe's "Walk Away"!
Hi! I'm the guy who bought the Stevie tapes off eBay and posted them. I thought y'all might want a little more background behind "Priest Of Nothing".
First off, it was on a cassette marked "Sharon's Tape: Various SLN 1984 Demos". "Sharon" is Stevie's back-up singer, Sharon Celani, and "SLN" is, of course, Stevie Nicks. The songs aren't labeled, so "Priest Of Nothing" is just what I can up with after agonizing for a long time. Bad, fan made-up titles on unreleased Stevie songs is a pet peeve of mine, and here I had to come up with one. Considering different interviews in which Stevie has talked about Joe, I think "Priest Of Nothing" is still the best guess.
A friend I first shared these songs with helped me track down the Joe instrumentals that are the music behind Stevie's words and voice.
Although the cassette is from 1984, Stevie probably wrote her lyrics in the Summer of 1983, when she and Joe were on tour. Evidence? Well, at her concert here in Dallas on 09/05/1983 at Reunion Arena (where Joe opened for her, of course), before the final song, "Rhiannon", Stevie dedicated it "to Mr. Joe Walsh! Can he play? Yes, he can! [sings] Can he play?! YES, HE CAN!!!"
Very recently, Stevie's hand-written lyrics from 1983 of "Priest Of Nothing" have also surfaced.
Also: I got from this seller about 50 unreleased recordings in total of Stevie's from 1984-1987, plus 4 unreleased demos of Tom Petty's from 1985-1986 that Stevie sings on. NONE of the released versions of these songs contain Stevie's vocals on the final product, so these versions are completely unheard of before. Does anyone know of a good Heartbreakers fan site where I might be able to share these maybe for possible trades of concerts with Stevie in them? (Yes, I only care about Stevie and her music).
Very interesting Mike. Unfortunately our resident Stevie expert is in Niagara Falls seeing Glenn right now. I'm sure when she gets back, she will have plenty to say and ask about this information and these tapes. Thanks for sharing it all with us!!!
Hey Mike! Welcome to my Eagles board! (Mike and I already know each other from our mutual Mac fandom and The Ledge.) Mike, I know you know me as the webmistress of BuckinghamNicks.net, but after I saw Don Henley with Stevie on the "Two Voices" tour back in 2005 I got hooked on the Eagles as well. You see here one of the fruits of that. ;)
Dang, has it really been over six years since that Nicks/Henley show in Chicago that started all of this? Wow, time flies!
Sorry I can't help you with the Tom Petty site, Mike - I'm afraid I don't know any more about that than you do!
At any rate, what you and the others did for the Stevie fandom by sharing such rarities is quite wonderful, as I've told you before. You guys rock!!! Thank you for sharing more info with Joe fans as well.
"She sees no evil... And she speaks no evil! SHE'S IN LOVE!!!!! And I don't think that they say anything to anyone..."
So, Joe just HATES Stevie now, right? That's depressing.
Why do you think Joe hates Stevie?
Well, let me throw in my two cents, at least.
I see no reason to believe Joe hates Stevie at this point. In fact, they performed together at that infamous bat-mitzvah for David Brooks' daughter in 2005, and Joe spoke kindly of her in an interview about ten years ago. Yeah, he talked trash about her in the nineties and made fun of her back then, but that's the past. Stevie has obviously forgiven him (assuming she heard about what he was saying. I kind of hope she didn't). However, he doesn't seem to view their relationship with the same rose-colored glasses Stevie has been wearing. Stevie doesn't seem to recognize how dysfunctional they were - that even her own descriptions of the relationship make it seem like a morass of co-dependency rather than a grand romance.
She's toned down the Walsh-talk since she and Lindsey got close again a few months ago, I noticed. Hmm!
OK, so I finally got around to watching the Howard Stern interview and while most of it's been talked about, I don't think the Stevie parts really have. So I'm going to transcribe them and we can give our thoughts.
The first time he talked about her was about the 19th minute:
Stern: I was shocked to learn, though, that one of the great romances of your life was Stevie Nicks...
Joe: mmhmm.
Stern:... of Fleetwood Mac. And this was kept on the down-low, even during your whacked-out years.
Joe: Yeah.
Stern: But she says you were the love of her life and probably still are.
Joe: [silence]
Stern: Is she one of those people you had to call and make amends to?
Joe: [pause] mmhmmm.
Stern: Wow.
Joe: She's special.
Stern: She was in love. One of the greatest songwriters ever, right? Stevie Nicks.
Joe: [long pause] ... yeah...
Stern: No?! Am I wrong?
Joe: Well, I mean, songwriters, in the big picture, all of us from the 70s are memorable and notable, but I mean the greatest songwriters are like guys from the 30s and 40s...
Stern: Do you really believe that? You don't believe Jimi Hendrix was a great songwriter? Paul Simon?
Joe: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, OK....
Stern: You don't consider yourself a great songwriter?
Joe: Well, I don't think it's fair to say one of the best EVER to anybody.
Stern: But what a powerful couple...
Joe: Right.
Stern: Stevie Nicks and Joe Walsh...
Joe: Stevie's very, uh, uh, uh, very high on the list.
Stern: Were you in love with her? [pause] Did you guys ever write together?
Joe: She helped me do the Confessor album.
Stern: No kidding!
Joe: She rode shotgun with me on that one and gave me some direction and she's really good at the CRAFT of songwriting.
Stern: Which means what? Sitting down and really putting a pen to paper?
Joe: Yeah, yeah.
Stern: Trying to figure out the lick and all that?
Joe: Yeah, left to my own devices, I will have, uh, 85 pieces of paper with a couple words on each.
Stern: Right.
Joe: And... people like her... and my wife Marjorie now...
Stern: Right.
Joe:...help me get 85 words on one piece of paper.
Stern: How do they help you do that? You're a songwriter. It's a creative process for you. How do they focus you to take all those 85 slips of paper and combine them into a song?
Joe: Well, my wife is a closer. That's what she does. When I say it's the part of me that was missing?
Stern: Yeah.
Joe: I got a little attention deficit, but in the 50s that wasn't diagnosed. You were just "difficult."
Stern: Right, right.
Joe: But I got it, you know. I see that in one of my sons. I learned about it. I had it SCREAMING in the 50s.
Stern: It's one of those things that affects you where you can't keep your mind on one thing.
Joe: You can't complete tasks. I have a great idea... a FANTASTIC idea... and I get it started and... wait a minute, I have another idea! So, there it sits.
The second time was about the 41st minute:
Stern: Hey, I didn't finish that thought, though, with Stevie Nicks.
Joe: Yeah.
Stern: You two became this couple, and she says you are the love of her life.
Joe: [silence]
Robin: All those songs were about JOE?
Joe: She wrote one about me, yeah.
Stern: What was the big one about you?
Joe: Uh... [long pause]
Robin: Joe?
Stern: Joe just fell asleep. [they laugh] He's thinking of the name.
Joe: I'm trying to think... I'm embarrassed. I don't remember.
Stern: Was it a Fleetwood Mac song? Or was it from one of her solos?
Joe: One of her solos.
Stern: One of her solo albums.
Joe: Yeah.
Stern: [kind of makes noises like the opening of "Stand Back"]
Joe: "Has Anyone Ever Wrote a Song for You"!
Stern: Hell no! I wish you would!
Joe: No, that's how the song goes, stupid!
Stern: Oh $h-t. [laughs] When are you going to write a song about me?
Joe: That's a good idea!
The final time, about the 47th minute:
Stern: What is it, Gary? How dare you interrupt my... He's handing me a piece of paper.
Gary: See what it is.
Stern: Oh, here. Oh...
Gary: That's the song that Stevie wrote for Joe. [to Joe] God, she must have loved you.
Robin: What was the song?
Stern: The song is called... "Has Anyone Ever Written Anything for You," as Joe said. And I thought he was talking to me! [laughs] Listen to this lyric: "You know I'd rather be alone than be without you. Don't you know..." She'd rather be alone... than be without you.
Joe: [silence]
Stern: What the f--k did you do to this girl?
Robin: He's just lucky that way.
Stern: You must have... you must have banged her silly. Were you in love with her?
Joe: [long pause] As a sister.
Stern: Really?!
Robin: What?!
Stern: God, she was... This was the 70s, right?
Joe: She's like a soulmate, you know.
Stern: Do you still talk to her?
Joe: Once in a while.
Stern: This was like in the 70s, right? I mean, was there a more beautiful, physically beautiful woman than Stevie Nicks? And all that talent? You would think - that's the whole package. I mean, that would be my fantasy.
Robin: Were you not into her?!
Joe: No, I was, Robin. That didn't come out right. All I'm saying is that we were... uh.... uh.... seeking refuge... kind of, in each other's presence.
Stern: 'Cause you both were into drugs at that point?
Joe: Kind of. Yeah, there was that was part of it... but we were on the road, we had careers. We were both lonely.
Stern: Why did you never marry her? Did the thought cross your mind at one point?
Joe: No.
Stern: And you thought that way even in like the terms of a powerful couple. Like, Oh my God, these two incredibly powerful people in rock'n'roll.
Robin: Maybe that would have been too much?
Joe: Well, the relationship came and ran its course, as rock'n'roll relationships do.
Stern: Does it get competitive? Like you sit there, and she was with Fleetwood Mac at the point, I guess...
Joe: No, she wasn't.
Stern: She was a solo? She was in Buckingham Nicks?
Joe: Yeah.
Stern: And does it get competitive? Is that the problem? Like you could never really marry another singer/songwriter because the two of you sit there and drive each other nuts with that stuff? Career?
Joe: What made it possible was that we toured together.
Stern: Right. So when you're touring together...
Joe: And we spent all that time together.
Stern: But you were not monogamous with her, so she probably got jealous, too. Knowing you back in those days - you were not going to be limited to one woman. True? You were not going to be limited to one drink and not one woman. You were an addict.
Joe: We were both monogamous... for that summer.
Stern: That's... that's a pretty long time.
Joe: Yes.
Stern: So you felt something for her.
Robin: A whole season!
Stern: In rock'n'roll, that's ten years!
Joe: That's a long time. When we stopped touring, uh, we....
Robin: Drifted apart.
Joe: We had to. [pause] Had to.
Robin: But do you think you could've been with somebody as powerful and talented as Stevie?
Joe: No, I don't think either of us could have committed to a lasting relationship in the state that we were in.
Wow! He just really put Joe on the spot there and kind of hung him out to dry! Poor Joe! I guess that is just HS though. He should of expected anything might come out!
Honestly, a lot of Joe's answers kind of piss me off. Stevie gushes about him and calls him one of her great loves, but he obviously never loved her. Stern asked him TWICE about it and the most he could manage was "Like a sister." He does throw out the word "soulmate" but it must mean something different to him than it does to others, because he goes on to basically characterize their relationship as a brief road fling. Meanwhile, in reality, it actually went on for two years (you'd never guess that from this interview). And he was only monogamous for one summer, and is proud he held out THAT long... Well. Lovely.
I guess he's just being real about his feelings, but still, it's tacky how he went about it. I feel sorry for Stevie. She needs to stop talking about Joe. Again, if what he says is true, even when they were together, he didn't love her. That's just humiliating for Stevie, considering what she's said about him. BOO Joe. BOO.
:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
It's obvious that Joe didn't want to talk about it so I don't know why Stern persisted for so long. I think he was rude.
Maybe he thought it would be too disrespectful to his wife to comment now about what happened 30+ years ago with a girlfriend.Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Maybe he felt it wasn't Howard's or anyone's business.
I don't think he meant to purposely or publicly malign Stevie, but he's a big boy and he knows Howard's "schtick". Perhaps it would have been wiser to shut Stern down or go the "no comment" route.
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Originally Posted by sodascouts
You're blasting Joe over this interview? Really? To not gush over a fling with Stevie when he's been talking non-stop about his wonderful new marriage, I find it at least understandable, in trying to gracefully dodge a Stern "hand grenade". And two rock n roll artists in a short cocaine-fueled fling in the 70's? Not exactly unique, if stories are true. I know you love Stevie, I do too. But come on. If they're in different places looking back after 30 years, don't think they're the only ones in that situation. actually I think his silence and short answers speak louder than the words he chooses. Maybe it cut close and he didn't want to dish...none of us knows, but i don't think he'd choose Stern's show to reveal his life's closest feelings.
But he DID comment about Stevie, and he did so in a way that was lame. JMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henley Honey
ETA: I didn't see Deb's post before, so let me add:
And THIS is what pisses me off about his interview. Joe's comments lead you to conclude that Stevie was nothing more than a "short cocaine-fueled fling" to him. It's contemptible for him to represent their relationship in such a demeaning fashion after she's spoken about how much meaning it has for her.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdubfan
BTW I don't know what "stories" you're referring to, but they weren't even together until he opened for her in 1983. They remained together for over two years - together enough for her to help with The Confessor in 1985. Sure doesn't sound like a "short cocaine-fueled fling" to me... but Joe talks like it was, leads you to believe it was. THAT is tacky.
How many of us have heard that Stevie wrote that song for Joe after his daughter died???? THAT was a painful time in his life with or without the vices! Howard Stern is a sensationalist jerk -- in my opinion -- and I think Joe handled it as well as he could, being put on the spot like that! Besides, Joe and Stevie are ancient history and I think it was really callous of Stern to call Joe out on it without possibly having all the facts. Just my opinion.
I'm not gonna bash Joe. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe Stern forced it out of him.
While reading it, my first thought was that the timing didn't jive with what we've all heard. It was a hell of a lot longer than one summer/season.
I also believe that he was trying to be respectful to Marjorie, but at the cost of being disrespectful to Stevie. I kept thinking, "I hope Stevie isn't listening to this interview". I'm sorry, but if Marjorie doesn't know the truth by now, then she's living with blinders on. Joe should of been honest and a bit more respectful to Stevie. That being said, Howard Stern is the biggest ASS there is in radio (next to Rush, of course) and he should've left it alone. That's not to say I wasn't glad he asked because I want to hear it from Joe's mouth also but seems that wasn't meant to be.
I really kind of felt for Joe here, but I do think he should have just not commented on it. Howard pressed him and it seemed he was very reluctant to reply. I think he was worried about what Marjorie would think also. I also felt for Stevie. He really should have just not said anything.
To be fair, this interview was about 53 minutes. Though it seems like a lot of talk about Stevie, in terms of the interview... it was only a few minutes. Stern & Joe know each other for a very long time & I think Joe knew what to expect. Stern did try to push the envelope about the relationship with Stevie, but I think Joe was trying to avoid some of these questions because Marjorie was there. I mean she was in the room. I do believe that maybe Stevie had a lot stronger feelings for Joe than he had for her & he was trying to be as discreet as possible, but the relationship was during a tour they did together, & fueled on cocaine! Even though he says she helped with his songs from an album that was released 2 years later, I don't think the relationship lasted 2 years. That's just my opinion. Joe said the relationship ran it's course, that they were both lonely & they were on drugs. I think at the time, he was into her, but it doesn't seem like she was the "love of his life" That was how I interpreted the things he said.
I don't think he meant to diss her or insult her, but I don't think Joe was madly in love with her. I'm sure Stevie is over it by now! I mean it was about 30 years ago. When you listen to the actual interview & the tone of voice he uses, you can tell he is trying to move the conversation in another direction, but I didn't really see that he was disrespectful to Stevie.
A Stevie fan isolated the parts where he talks about Stevie and put them into mp3 form. If you want to listen to them to hear his tone of voice (which I think is fair; sometimes things don't come across in transcription) you can do so here: http://www.mediafire.com/?d1c4kzvbsyiu92h
I just now listened to the whole Stern interview.
One thing is for sure - Stern loves to pressure his guests and make them talk about things they don't want to talk about. He puts them in sticky situations and a bad position to make for a 'interesting' show. He does that with all guests, not just Joe. I've listen to random HS interviews and he always does that and loves to make them feel uncomfortable. He likes the drama and likes to get guests to say shocking or offending things. That's what he does.
That said, I do think Joe should have just refused to comment if he didn't want to talk about it in the first place. I'm sure he didn't want to upset or offend Marjorie by talking about Stevie, and perhaps Stevie felt more strongly about Joe than vice versa. It's hard to say, but with Stern's pressuring I think Joe handled it well considering the fact that Stern was trying to get him to talk about it. Joe was clearly uncomfortable talking about it and you could tell didn't want to talk about it. He should have just refused to comment period.
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Originally Posted by sodascouts
This interview didn't lead me to conclude anything. It's from Stevie's interview about this. They had to separate or they could have died from the partying...Stevie's dr telling her her nasal passages were beyond damaged...cocaine nearly taking everything that mattered away...Stevie's words, not Joe's.
And I was talking about the general state of rock n roll in the 70's, I thought that was pretty clear, not Joe and Stevie specifically.
There are shelves of books about things like this..."Venus vs. Mars"..."He's just not into you", etc. it's called life. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't, it's not earth-shattering. I won't bother to clarify any further, obviously you've made your mind up about this very old situation. :confused:
I posted the entire interview on the thread "Press about Joe's new album" It is post #264, now on page 7 if anyone wants to listen to the whole interview. I think, as WalshFan88 says, this is how Stern operates. He always likes to get the dirt on people & I do think the interview overall was pretty good & we got to hear some stuff that Joe doesn't usually talk about. I think that Stern was really curious about his relationship with Stevie & that's why he was asking about her. He even said that Stevie was beautiful & one of the best songwriters & he was complimenting her, even asking Joe if he ever thought about marrying her. I was not really that shocked by the questions he asked. Joe handled it okay, maybe not perfect, but he must have been caught off guard by some of those questions. He was a bit uncomfortable, but Joe had to know Stern would be asking pesky questions. I think maybe some of you are reading too much into it. Like I said, it seems that Stevie was not the "love of his life" & that's okay. Maybe he did break her heart, but it was a long time ago. Joe seemed to be saying that he wasn't really in the frame of mind for a very serious relationship. Timing is everything, & for him it wasn't the time.
Are you talking about Stevie's interview with People:Quote:
Originally Posted by jdubfan
"The Fleetwood Mac singer dated Eagles star Walsh during the 1980s and describes him as 'the great, great love of my life'. But they both began taking cocaine in vast quantities and Nicks blames the drug for ruining their relationship. She tells People magazine, 'There was nothing more important than Joe Walsh - not my music, not my songs, not anything.
'We had to break up or we thought we'd die. It took me years to get over it. It's very sad but at least we survived.'"
I don't get from this that Stevie feels the relationship was cocaine-fueled, rather that cocaine ended something very special. But hey, everyone can judge for themselves.
Here's my take on it: Joe wasn't as into the relationship as Stevie was. Simple as that.
And there's nothing wrong with that. It happens all the time. It doesn't make Joe a bad person. He and Stevie obviously weren't meant to be, and indeed it seems pretty evident that it was a good thing they broke up!
I just wish he'd had more consideration for Stevie's feelings when giving this interview. Why not say something like "What we had then was special, but it was a long time ago. I'm married to a woman who makes me very happy and I hope Stevie can find someone like that, too." It would have been so easy to just leave it at that and, when HS pushed, to refuse to engage.
I still love Joe; I just don't love how he handled this.
Soda, I agree that Joe could have said something nicer about Stevie, but I think he was caught totally off guard by the questions, but I didn't feel that he made the relationship out to be a coke fueled fling. Just my opinion of what he said.
I actually think Stern got too personal. My opinion, I can't stand the man..he's tacky and I didn't think there was anything wrong with Joe's answers. He responded when push came to shove, all Stern was after was the scoop. Very old trick with loud-mouth shock jocks.
The thing I got was that they bonded at a time when they were both seeking something and that it ran its course, same as a lot of other people. That Stevie apparently thought more of it than him comes back to his ADD..his attention span was/is limited.
If the reason he was there was to promote his tour/album then Stern should have had the good manners to do that..or Joe should not have accepted an invitation to appear, knowing what Stern was like..either way, the probing should have been left out of it.
Just my opinion.
I'd like to add that in Stevie's interview on CBS (earlier this week?) she was asked, point-blank, if she had any regrets about never marrying and she said she has NONE, adding (as I recall) that her career has always been the foremost thing in her life. Seems I've also heard her reference other men she's had relationships with as 'the love of my life'.
HS put Joe on the spot and it seems clear that Joe was uncomfortable with the line of questions. Under the circumstances I think he did the only thing he could do...try to steer the conversation in a different direction. I didn't see his comments as disrespectful of Stevie and didn't interpret it as a drug-fueled fling. It's been 30 years...time to put it where it belongs - in the past. Just my opinion.
I do not think that Joe not being "in Love" with Stevie had anything to do with his ADD!! She obviously had more feeling for him than he did for her, but to say it was because of ADD??? I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by BramwenR
For Stern to talk for an hour about the new album, & the tour was not going to happen. I'm sure Joe knew that, as he & Stern know each other for years. We have heard Joe repeat the same stuff over & over in every single interview, & Stern always likes to shake things up. To say that Stern should have had the good manners to just discuss the album really makes me laugh. Stern is known for this stuff. I think it was fine. Actually, it was pretty tame for Stern. In fact, I found it interesting to hear what Joe had to say when he was hit with some heavy questions. You may not like the answers he gave, but I think he was pretty honest. It's so far in the past that I'm sure it's all okay by now. They have both moved on a long time ago. I do think that Stern had a big crush on Stevie & that's why he was so curious about her.
This is true; while she doesn't characterize a bunch of men that way, she often calls Lindsey Buckingham the "love of her life." Indeed, whether or not she calls him that in interviews depends on whether or not she is mad at him at that particular time. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Victim of Love
In fact, now that she and Lindsey are on good terms again, she doesn't talk about Joe nearly as much, if at all, in interviews.
I think I did perhaps judge Joe too harshly in the sense that he didn't have time to come up with the perfect answer and hey, the relationship didn't mean that much to him, so why should he lie, right? I do still fault him for misrepresenting the duration of the relationship, but there are worse things.
I have to agree with pretty much all of Topkat's post. I mean, when Joe first got sober in 1994, he stopped coming on Stern's show; he used to be a regular, so Stern got upset. Stern claimed that Glenn and Don had forbidden Joe from coming onto the show, and had turned Joe into "StepfordJoe." Then, Stern made nasty comments about how Joe wasn't allowed to have fun anymore now that he was sober. "Good manners" and "Howard Stern" do not belong in the same sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topkat
And it's true that it's nice to hear different answers than the canned ones. Stern is good at getting those, at least.
That Stern had a crush on Stevie is undeniable - he said himself she was his "fantasy." I guess as an interviewer it would be very tempting to ask the ex of your "fantasy" what it was like to be with him or her.
Stevie in 1983:
http://www.buckinghamnicks.net/sn/im...cksCloseUp.jpg
Maybe that read the wrong way..I didn't mean his being in love or not had something to do with his ADD, I meant that his attention span may have been affected..I know this because my son has it and so does my nephew..so relationships seem to be a bit of slow thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topkat
As far as Stern being very pushy and Joe knowing him for years, well, he asked for it then! I didn't say I didn't like Joe's answers, I said that there was nothing wrong with his answers. Stern gives his listeners what they want and that's the lowdown on any celebrity when he gets them behind the microphone..but obvious that Joe was uncomfortable talking about something that happened so long ago, he's moved on, so has she. It's only gossip.
That picture of Stevie says it all! She was probably the "fantasy" of a lot of guys at that time! Hey even now... She still looks really beautiful!!!