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You're welcome, VA.
I was watching some clips on Walden Woods on Facebook today. I think those clips are my first seeing Don being so passionate about Walden Woods. I could read all the articles Don has been interviews for, but seeing with your eyes is powerful.
I'm glad he won that battle 20 something years and continue to do so 25 years later.
UCR's take on what Don had to say about Mumford & Sons
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/don-h...cellphone-ban/
Don's really doing the rounds on his cell phone ban - its on Ultimate Classic Rock today :grin:
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/don-h...cellphone-ban/
Yes, it's what I posted just above this :wink: Of course, once UCR gets it, then everyone picks up on it. It's all over the place now! Some of the comments have been interesting to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lacken101
Sorry about that , I checked before I posted but your comment hadn't shown up on my page :doh: I was using my phone, ironically enough, to post it and it didn't update, so I can kinda see Don's point about technology there :grin:Quote:
Originally Posted by VAisForEagleLovers
I know! Using my phone at work is nearly impossible as the signal is so poor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lacken101
I am very addicted to technology, but I don't need to use my phone, tablets, or computer constantly. I just like knowing they're there if I need them. Oh, and technology keeps me employed!
Mumford and Sons were requiring a crowd of 1700 to check their phones.
The Eagles play for 17,000.
Even if Don wanted to do this for Eagles shows, it would be a logistical nightmare. Forget checking them; there wouldn't be a place they could all be stored, not to mention the lines before and after the show! The venue would have to remain open far longer - what will the unions say about the extra hours required? More pay? Alternatively, sending thousands of people back to their cars would mean that, besides nursing feelings of anger and resentment, you'd have many concert goers noisily coming in late - more even than do so now. Even if the word gets out, you still have 17,000 people being searched individually for phones... You thought it took a long time when they just made women open their purses!
Maybe Don hopes to enforce it at a solo tour where he plays for smaller audiences, but for the Eagles... It's simply unworkable on a practical level, regardless of your thoughts on it in principle.
The Eagles already ban the usage of phones; I'm afraid Don will have to be content with that, although it is annoying to have the security pouncing on people all night. Having them dive across me to threaten an offending phone user does take me out of the moment a bit.
Very true, Soda! Although some venues are getting more and more security conscious. In Raleigh, there were conveyor belts like in airports and overhead scanners. All metal had to go in little bins on the belt, and if you still set off the scanner, you got wanded. Made me wonder what kind of crowds normally frequented the place.
Yeah - I gotta say, Don is really stretching here and I so hope he doesn't seriously think it would be a good idea to totally ban cell phones at Eagles concerts. I am one that has been relatively supportive of the band's no standing and no cell phone policies once they got their act together and quit sending mixed messages. My only complaints have been the couple of incidences when I witnessed over-zealous security guards become more of a distraction than the cell phones themselves or when they made folks turn off cell phones a full hour prior to the start of the show. However, as Soda said, a complete ban would be a logistical nightmare - not to mention a REALLY bad PR move, IMO.
In theory, I agree with Don's statement. I embrace what he is saying. At the Boston show last fall, the girl next to me stayed glued to her phone during the entire show. I found it to be very annoying and rude. I was very tempted to say something to her, but, in the end it was really none of my business. If that's the way she wants to experience the show, whatever. :shrug: I just think of the many of millions of folks that would have died to have her seat and really enjoy the show.
I think a technology ban is worth persevering with. If enough acts start to enforce it, it will become socially unacceptable, especially if the band, after a polite but firm warning, leave the stage until transgressors have been dealt with.
All this personal tech stuff is still pretty new. Currently, paying top dollar for iffy seats in huge arenas, audience members "bloated with entitlement", feel they've paid for the privilege of using their tech during concerts.
I hope, people will eventually get the message that sometimes it's appropriate to switch it off and put it away, even if it's likely you'll get away with acting in such a selfish and ignorant manner.
Having your Cell Phone out wanting to take pictures of your experience at a concert isn't Selfish or Ignorant, Its wanting to keep memories of your night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funk 50
Hello!!! New poster here!
Just got my tickets for the Atlantic City show...yea! I noticed on the ticket that it states no cameras or video. Does this include your cell phone too?
I read where Munford & Sons banned cell phones which Henley supported.
I tend to agree because I went to four shows where I could have taken some incredible photos, especially on the last night, and I wasn't allowed to do so. It left a bad taste in my mouth. It also left the entire audience feeling that they had been subjected to a lecture (not by the band themselves, but the effect was the same). I understand all the arguments against this but I don't want to film them, only take photos. I don't know what's wrong with that, especially as the only official photos are of the first handful of songs.Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleLady
The Eagles do not ban cell phones in the building, but security will leap all over you if you take it out of your pocket or purse during the concert (I'm not joking). No use of it is allowed at all unless you want to go to the concourse.Quote:
Originally Posted by jms18222
What's wrong with it is that most people cannot be trusted to not video with it. Having it out and up means security needs to make a subjective call. Also, it is extremely selfish and rude if it interferes with another person's concert experience. As I said in the Seger thread, the show I saw in January, I was in row 8. Most would consider that a good seat. I missed quite a bit of seeing him because the people in front of me held their phones over their heads. They had to, since the six rows in front of them were doing the same thing. It was frustrating, I drove for 16 hours to see other people's cell phones for nearly a third of the concert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freypower
ETA: Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a few pictures from each show I attend, but people have pretty much proven they can't help being selfish and rude for an entire concert.
I understand all of that.
Perhaps if the Eagles ever released photos of themselves, or ever released a new DVD/Blu Ray, the problem wouldn't be so pervasive. They could embrace new technology themselves, like their so called website.
The reason I came here was to say that Don had the 25-year Walden Woods message put on his Facebook page. This is two non-Eagles related messages in a week and I wonder what alien has taken over his body? I love it, of course, and am hoping he's just warming us up for other big announcements. Like an album release and a tour...
Here's a link to his Facebook page for those who may not have 'liked' it yet.
https://www.facebook.com/donhenley?fref=nf
Another article, here Don is only mentioned. The article is about the right of publicity.
http://www.blogher.com/what-robin-wi...icity?from=pop
You're right EagleLady, wanting to take pictures isn't selfish or ignorant, doing it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleLady
Doing it isn't. If you want memories of your concert experience, why is that Selfish or Ignorant to you? Its not hurting anyone to use your phone to take pics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funk 50
It is when you hold it up to get a clear view and it blocks the view of the person behind you. It would be fine if it happened once for only a moment or two, but these days, people hold them up for half the concert or more.Quote:
Originally Posted by EagleLady
I Understand that but they shouldn't take away me Wanting to get memories from the Concert Experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by VAisForEagleLovers
The Eagles go to great lengths to inform the audience of how they would like them to behave. Remaining seated and keeping your phones out of view. It's a general courtesy to the band and fellow audience members to heed their requests.
Memories are in your head. If you want tangible mementos like selfies, sound bites, clips and photos, you're going to annoy the band and all the unselfish people around you who choose, not to ignore the band's requests.
The concert experience is about being in the moment not chronicling it. That's what I think anyway.
The "I'm not a bad person" defense doesn't wash.
I'm going to stick in my 2 cents here, but the bands request on how to "behave" is just too much. When you pay the high prices for their tickets, then you should be able to enjoy the concert as you please,. This is why I hardly ever get floor seats, I'm 5'2' & when people stand up, I can't see, even if I get up also. For me the best seats are off to the side in the lower level, best I can get.
I have been in the front row. and in like 8th row. Unfortunately from the 8th row I could not see, so the $900. I spent on tix for 2 seats were not so great. That's a shame, but...
This is a concert, not Sunday school, & you can't control everyone's behavior. That's just reality.
I never bother to film because I know that whatever the "rules" are, there will be stuff up on "Youtube" anyway.
It doesn't even get to YouTube any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Topkat
I take exception with the words 'selfish' and especially 'ígnorant' as I am neither. I did what the band wanted in March. What did it prove? They get to tell entire arenas how to behave. That doesn't mean I have to like it. I do NOT hold my phone up for the entire show. Why should I be discriminated against because others do?
In 2010 their attitude was totally different. Why have they changed? I don't know. Could they be more proactive rather than come across as so heavy heanded? Yes, they could. The longer they go without updating their website or releasing new DVDs the more the fans will feel deprived.
Yes it does, If I want to take pictures of my Concert Experience, I should be allowed to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Funk 50
I agree FP, but last years NY shows were up on YouTube. From the upper levels people videoed & with a zoom lens, it was pretty good . I guess they get taken down, but they do come up right after the show. Also the security is pretty lax upstairs. I like to take a few pictures also, but the camera police are out in full force down in the front. It's also a shame that they don't release more pictures & video on their own website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Freypower
I also have an issue with being called "selfish" & especially "ignorant" !!!
Cellphones and small cameras have much better capabilities now than they did in 2010, I would think that's the main factor. Plus, more people have them and use them, and as I've said before, for people near the front, the band has the best view of the people bobbing and weaving to see around a cellphone or camera stuck in their line of sight. I don't think it matters if you don't do it for an entire concert, and whether the magic number of what's acceptable is one or 40, the person whose view is being blocked probably has a different number in mind.
From the personal collection of Carrie Fisher...
http://www.debbiereynoldsstudiostore...-carrie-fisher
How precious! Why in the world would she want to sell that??
Oh, my God! Why would she sell that? Surely the daughter would want to keep it anyway? I don't think Don would be too impressed :eyebrow:
This short little article isn't about Don, nor does it mention him, but it is about drummers in general. Apparently, drummers are typically smarter than the average bears!
http://3tags.org/article/new-study-c...-than-everyone
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Originally Posted by VAisForEagleLovers
Why am I not surprised? Don is most definitely a 'smarty pants' :thumbsup:
Well - that settles it!
I guess I'm gonna have to take up drumming so I can have an intellectual discussion with Don. :thumbsup:
Are you guys saying that a petite gal like me isn't going to see anything with ground floor seating? Dang!! I may have spent a ton of $$ to see people's heads..oh well!!
First time I say these guys was in 1977 in Philadelphia. I sat on my then boyfriend's shoulders the entire concert. Memorable night.
It depends what row you're in! Fortunately, besides the 'no pictures' rules, they have a 'no standing' rule for the slower songs. Since people won't be standing in front of you until about Heartache Tonight, you should be able to see part of it.
True for the early part of the show people stayed seated, but there are always some that will get up. They don't announce "okay you can get up now" The security people don't tell u to sit down, they are only after the cameras. I had a hard time seeing a lot of the show from 8th row, even on the aisle, which is usually better view. Next show I got side seats & saw a whole lot better!Quote:
Originally Posted by VAisForEagleLovers
They were told to sit down at concerts I was at, and threatened with eviction!
I remember at the Orlando concert, Don actually sang the line "you can get up now" during "LITFL". :partytime:
We are sitting in the 19th row.
To be honest I really don't care about taking pictures or videos. Sure it would be a nice memory to have, I spent too much money to waste it watching it through a camera lense. I guess if all else fails I will just have to stand on my seat!
I am just looking forward to a girl's weekend of sun, surf, shopping, a bit of gambling & an Eagles concert. The fact that we can go to Margritaville for a few post concert refreshments makes it all the better.