Just found this little poem by Stevie on The Ledge - written when they were together, I presume:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ps3e128f3e.jpg
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Just found this little poem by Stevie on The Ledge - written when they were together, I presume:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ps3e128f3e.jpg
Awww - that is very touching, although also very telling about the state of their relationship. Soda, how did the folks on The Ledge come across this, do you know?
It was originally put up by a site which is now defunct - sararhiannon.com - as part of a larger set of writings. When the site was active, the writings were exclusive to her site per her request, but now that the site is "off the air" they're commonly posted.
According to Sara who ran the site, the writings are journal entries Xeroxed by a (so-called) friend of Stevie's. I suspect some of them were downright snatched, probably after Stevie had tossed them aside or into a junk heap, but there's no proof of that.
Some of them are in Stevie's handwriting like this one which I also think is about Joe because the scenario described is like the one she's told about her first time meeting Joe, and it was written in the mid-80s when they were in a relationship - or at least, when Stevie still believed them to be in a relationship, lol. As we've noted earlier, apparently she held on for a lot longer than Mr. Walsh! Indeed, a look at the above poem "Angel" will tell you Stevie realized that he wasn't nearly as into her as she was into him. Anyway, some, like the aforementioned "Angel", are typed.
They have been passed around amongst fans since the mid-80s, entering circulation shortly after they were written. (Unlike the Eagles fandom, the Fleetwood Mac fandom has a very active trading community.)
I know the whole situation of the way they were made available involves some shady dealings and I don't applaud the behavior of this "friend" whoever he/she may be... but the writings have been out there in the fan community for almost three decades and on the internet for over 10 years so at this point, I can't see the harm in re-posting them.
vERY INTRESTING,
I didnt realize that they had a realationship till I read about it here.
Beautiful Poem
tt
Thanks for the details, Soda. Very interesting indeed and quite amazing that these are in circulation. I can't imagine any similar type stuff surfacing for any of the Eagles.
Nice find Soda!
Wow, I would be so pissed about this if I were her. Those look like private notes & I think to have them out there is just too much. I sure as heck wouldn't want any of my private letters out there. I better burn everything now!!!
OK, I went back & read the Joe & Stevie thread...It all talks about the great romance between them & how Stevie was so in love with him.
Well, the thing here that kind of upsets me, is that nothing is mentioned about the fact that Joe is a married guy during this so called romance. Lucy Walsh was born Dec 3, 1982, so in 1983, he's married with a very young child.
According to Stevie, it was love at first sight, but I don't think it was for Joe. She apparently practically jumped in his lap at that first meeting. I have to say that I think a lot of this relationship is built up in Stevie's head. I hate to sound cruel about it, but that's how it looked to me. If Joe wanted to leave his wife for Stevie, he would have done so....I don't think it was much more than a fling to Joe. They were touring together, they were doing lots of drugs, & she was willing to sleep with him, & he didn't pass it up....I mean what guy would pass on Stevie? The fact that she had very strong feelings for him, would have given up her career for him, wrote a beautiful song for him are all HER feelings....NOT HIS.
The fact that he barely mentions it, tells me the feelings were not reciprocated. Did he use her? Maybe? That's the chance you take when you fall for a married man...This is something I am just dead set against, sleeping with a married guy. You are only setting yourself up for heartache....Well, Stevie fell hard, & everyone feels her pain, but I am not one of those people. She had no respect for his marriage or the fact that he had a baby daughter. She only wanted what she wanted & that was Joe. Well, just shows that even the most beautiful women in the world don't always get what they want. Maybe this is cold, but I think it is a more honest look at this relationship.
Wonder how Lucy feels about Stevie Nicks?, who probably caused major problems in her parents marriage, & could have even been part of their demise. Probably no love lost there.....I'm just sayin' There's a lot more to this than Stevie's hurt feelings.
Since this is mostly about Stevie and Joe and not so much about Lucy, I went ahead and moved the post.
I agree that it was a huge mistake and morally wrong for Stevie to get with Joe, although Joe as the married man should be even more ashamed of himself (IMHO). I don't like the way Joe treated her, but she was asking for trouble having a relationship with him.
We can't know how they really felt, but judging from interviews with Joe and Stevie and the vast emotional disparity evident in them, it does appear Stevie was deluding herself - that the "grand romance" was almost entirely one-sided. Truth be told, I get embarrassed for her when she goes on and on about Joe. Considering how Joe feels, it makes her look kind of pathetic to anyone who knows the whole story. Thank God she hasn't been doing that in recent interviews.
I don't know what she was thinking, getting involved with Joe, a married man who was obviously on a downward spiral of alcoholism and substance abuse. All I can say is she was doing a lot of drugs and perhaps that had something to do with it. She obviously felt physical chemistry with him and related to him on some level; perhaps she felt she could "save" him... I just don't know.
I also want to note, though, that it doesn't seem like Joe was just using her for sex. I believe he did have genuine affection for her... just not love. Perhaps he looked at it as "friends with benefits."
I don't know what Lucy thinks of Stevie all these years later. It would be natural for her to resent the affair. However, if she can forgive her dad for cheating on her mom (with multiple women, not just Stevie), maybe she can forgive Stevie, too.
Soda,
time frame question.
Was she with DOn before or after she was with JOe??
DOnt you find it intresting that she connected with two guys in the same band??
tt
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Originally Posted by Tiffanny Twisted
See the Lucy Walsh thread.
I see what you're saying Soda, but like I said, falling for a married man is asking for a heartache. I don't think that Joe was just using her for sex, & probably he did have some feelings for her, but lets face it, if a gorgeous woman like Stevie is going to jump in his lap, he's not likely to say No.
Yes, Joe is a heel for cheating on his wife, but I would say that most of these guys cheated on their wives while on the road. I don't think that any of these wives went out on tours with the bands. I think this is probably why Joe does not want to talk about the relationship & it's not something he's very proud of looking back on it....Not just the relationship with Stevie, but also all the drug use & alcoholism.
I think it would be best for Stevie to stop talking about it because it only hurts everyone involved here. And yes it does make her look kind of pathetic. It's so long in the past that I think it should be left there.
As for Lucy. I can't even imagine what her life has been like. I just hope that she now has a good relationship with Joe & that her mother gave her a lot of love & support growing up.
As for Stevie, I see her as kind of an unrealistic romantic, which is maybe why her relationships have not worked out that well. I just hope that she is happy in her life now. She deserves to be happy!!
A friend posted this "colorful" photo of Stevie and Joe with Marilyn Martin. Not sure of the context...
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...43798116_n.jpg
"Colorful" is right!!!:rofl:
OK, that is some wacky photo of Joe & Stevie.......WTH is going on there? Inquiring minds wanna know???:doh::doh::doh:
No idea but it's freaking me out a little bit, lol.
In other news, here are some lyrics of an unreleased song by Stevie which is also purportedly about Joe, also posted on FB:
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Here it is transcribed (my best guess)
Note at top: "Glyn Johns has been here for the last 3 days. He's really something... ER"
Second note at top: "Sat - album 1st week"
The lyrics:
"They met on an afternoon dreary
She - all in white chiffon
He in blue jeans and a white T-shirt
She knew she was falling in love
Someone tapped her on the shoulder
As she leaned against the bar
She turned around to face him
As he pulled her down
Everyone was watching
But they talked on and on
Believe this when I say it
It happens once in a while
And that was just beginning
And there has never really been an end
They've been separated most of the time
But when they see each other once in a while
Nothing seems to have changed
No changes
I'll see him soon, I feel it coming
He walks in my life and out again
But it never stops
No matter how much time goes between
And the feeling remains"
How beautiful! She is so talented.
Very bizarre photo!
Yeah--- bizarre is a good way to describe that picture. :hilarious:
The lyrics are beautiful. She really was smitten, wasn't she?
That picture! :hilarious:
Love the lyrics! Very pretty!
Marilyn Martin is so cute in that photo but overall, I'd like to have been a fly on the wall when that was taken! Funny going-ons there. :dizzy::rofl:
A new quote from Stevie about Joe in a recent Elle interview: - she continues to back away from the "love of my life" line:It was a powerhouse woman move to fall in love with two members of the same group [....] and then she did it again with two members of the Eagles – Don Henley and Joe Walsh – in the early 1980’s. ‘Joe was a big rock star. Maybe he was the love of my life. Although I change who I think were the great loves of my life all the time.’--------------------
She and Walsh were together from 1983-1986. They did not write songs together – they took drugs. ‘I don’t know what my relationship with Joe would have been like sober. I remember days of misery waiting by the phone; me in my house, with him saying, “I’m going to visit you.” I would kick everyone out because I just wanted to be with him, and not a phone call, nothing.’ Why did she put up with it – she was one of the biggest female stars in the world? ‘Because I was in love with him,’ she says in an isn't that-obvious tone. ‘I wouldn't now. But we were doing a lot of drugs and drugs make you needy.’ She pauses. ‘And who wants needy?’
She tells me about one day when Joe put the phone down on her and she thought they had just broken up. The next day, she went to see the Eurythmics and Dave Stewart asked if she had a boyfriend. ‘I said no. So Dave Stewart came back to my house and we spent the night together. But the next morning, I panicked. I threw him out of the bed and I started dressing him. All this leather! All these chains that I was threading through!’
She and Joe did get back together, but he disappeared for good a few months later. ‘He told my friend he’d gone to Australia because he’s a coward. He said, “Tell Stevie I’m going because both of us are doing so much coke that one of us is going to die.” She was left broken-hearted – and, thanks to her addiction, with a hole in her nose so big that, legend has it, she could loop a belt through it. This, she says, is not quite true, but ‘If I wanted to put a gold ring through it I could. A gold ring with diamonds!’ She was addicted to cocaine for around a decade – Fleetwood Mac’s album credits famously feature a ‘thanks’ to their dealer – and she has estimated she spent over $1 million on the drug.
Interesting. Obviously this one was messed up relationship and I'm so freaking glad Stevie has started to play down all that "Great Love" BS.
I'm listening to an old radio show w/Joe on it. 1990, he's the DJ of the show. He did that a lot. He is running Stevie down so bad it's crazy. Talking about her locking herself in the bathroom for two days. Talking about how fat she is, etc.... The fact that she considers Joe one of her "great loves" is insane. Obviously he's still drunk at this point. As he was when they were together. I love the sober Joe but there is no doubt that the drunk Joe could be a real a-hole.
Yeah, many Stevie fans despise Joe for the way he trashed her back then. I'm not sure if I've mentioned it in this thread already, but he even made fun of her during shows sometimes - said ugly stuff about how she was washed up, a "has been".... I don't know why he took so many digs at her so often, but as an ardent Stevie fan, I have a hard time listening to him do that without getting angry.
When I start to get worked up listening to those, I just remind myself that he was a different guy back then... And if Stevie has forgiven him, who am I to hold it against him?
I suspect it was because he was in love with her too and it was an ugly break up. Sometimes I like to sit and analyze things a little. I bet he was hurt so like a typical drunk, he lashed out at what hurt him.
Just playing psychologist!
Yeah - unfortunately, not unlike most addicts and drunks that I've been around. I'm sure Joe has a lot of regrets that he can't change. But, fortunately, he has come such a long way since those dark days. Just visit his photo thread if you need to be persuaded. The man is nothing but a class act these days!Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight Visitor
Yeah, ha, ha! Considering I posted those photos, I do know that. I also bet she was on his list of amends after rehab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ive always been a dreamer
I didn't know about any of this (just becoming a Joe fan). Yikes. Hopefully this is the worst thing he said in public about a former love. He must be mortified. Especially b/c he has a grown daughter - imagine someone famous who she had trusted talking about her like that on the radio. Hopefully he's made peace with himself and Stevie. That's rough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midnight Visitor
I hadn't heard that before but I don't doubt it either. That relationship was a bad deal from the start I'm afraid.... I feel bad though for Stevie as she really thought he was "the one".
When Joe was drunk he could either be a "class clown" and funny, or probably an a-hole. I've always wanted to think of him being the nice funny guy of the band, but I don't doubt that he could have a bad side back then.
Nowadays Joe seems to still have the clown-y funny side (no more pranks though! :D) but is still all smiles and a very nice guy, like I always imagined him to be. A lot of my other heroes can be and sometimes are big jerks and full of themselves and I always liked how Joe always seemed to be fairly nice to people especially now.
I just remember. Both Stevie and Joe were at the Grammys on Sunday. I wonder if they said hello to each other.
Is it just coincidence there is a song called "Dreams" on Rmw and one called the same by Fleetwood Mac? Joe and Stevie were quite heavy i heard Joe say in a Howard Stern interview on youtube.
No coincidence. Joe wasn't with Stevie until '83. Joe's Dreams is '73 & Stevie's is '76.
A few days ago, a 1994 interview with Stevie Nicks was posted on Ivory Keys. About 5 minutes in on the first track, she says that Joe inspired the song "Love is Like a River" - she says about it:
"Well, that song is about one of the stranger male rock stars in the world today. And even though he's just a pain in my neck for years, when I think about him, I have to laugh. And when I think about him, I have to almost laugh so hard, I'm almost gonna cry, because the good things about our relationship always remain to me. And there were so many bad things about it... and I was so miserable and so upset and so heartbroken.
But at the same time, when I think about it, I think about, "Well, yeah, he used to call me wicked. I used to call him friend. He said that MY life was hard to deal with... 'Compared to what? YOUR lifestyle? YOUR LIFESTYLE? You're telling me MY lifestyle is completely crazy and screwed up? What about YOU?'"
But see, there's a double standard in rock'n'roll. It's not OK for me; it's perfectly perfect for all of them.
And so that's, you know, when I write my songs, I try to have... to end up with hope. Because if I can't end up with hope, then they'll kill me. Then I'm gonna go down in the onslaught, you know. So I try to at least reflect on that fact that yes, when I look back on his and my relationship, I do have to smile to myself, and go, "God, you know, there was some... such cool moments between him and me... that I'll never ever do that again. That will never be repeated. That was a first."
Bringing this forward, too:
https://myspace.com/eaglesonlinecent...r-you/19460234
Very pretty!
I've been watching this discussion and listening to some interviews. First of all, I want to discount that notion that Joe was possibly using Stevie for just sex. No. That would be way too much work! Remember, a guy like Joe could pick up countless women on any given night without making any effort at all. In fact, the effort was fighting them off! Although beautiful and talented, Stevie was needy, and likely tended to over-romanticisize things and likely over-analyze people and situations as well. She and Joe likely had deep conversations and many simularities, especially in the realm of heavy drug use. In the end, he may have tired of her over-scrutinizing everything and she may have tired of his flippant attitude, but who knows? I think he did love her and respect her, at the time, for what it was worth, however. As far as admitting it to Howard Stern, no, he is too dignified now, and too nice, to go down the road of lurid details, as HS would have wanted. And, it was so many years ago, and yes, Marjorie was likely sitting right there. So in spite of HS drooling for lusty details, Joe would not go there, and good for him!
Marjorie was married to someone else at the time. He was married to his 3rd wife at the time. Marjorie is wife #5. My answer to the Joe & Stevie thing? Cocaine is a hell of a drug and I understand she had the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nursesusan
Joe didn't need Stevie's help to find the cocaine, that's for sure!
I'm just glad both he and Stevie have cleaned up their acts. Stevie stopped using in the mid-80s, not long after she broke off the relationship with Joe.