I didn't know Lorelei was 16 when she was dating Don. That's new to me.
Probably a lot of musicians from back then are very guilty of dating underage girls. Their parents probably didn't care since they were rock stars.
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I didn't know Lorelei was 16 when she was dating Don. That's new to me.
Probably a lot of musicians from back then are very guilty of dating underage girls. Their parents probably didn't care since they were rock stars.
It was pretty normal for older guys to date underage girls back then. And the girls were willing and chasing after them! Don't come back and say you weren't after 30+ years! :mad:
And then later that person writes a tell-all book about their time together or your time with other famous people. I guess its different from back in the day to today. You kinda can't get away with that today even if the parents signed a consent to say its ok for their child to date an older guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooke
I'm guessing Don knew how old Lorelei was. I don't know if they know about his relationship with Lorelei, but I'm leaning toward the 1980 incident as for the reason Don's name was included on the list.
Well - Here is what we know ...
Don was known for dating underage teenagers back in the day. However, there is no evidence that this was anything but consensual. And, he was, in fact, charged with contributing to the delinquency of minors in the 1980's incident. He pleaded 'no contest' and was convicted, fined, and put on probation. There was never any public record of any additional incidences after this. Now, I am not defending this behavior, other than to say it was a very different time with very different standards at the time as others have mentioned here. By today's standards, I guess you can make an argument that these 'girls' were abused, but it was certainly not perceived that way back then unless someone was forced to do something against their will.
However, I have to agree with what most others have said here. To me, this has nothing to do with whether or not Spotify (or any other music service or activist group) should ban his music. The public should be the ones to decide what and who they want to listen to, AFAIC. I strongly oppose this type of censorship.
There is no such thing as "consensual" when one party is under the statutory age - the concept doesn't exist, its a legal impossibility.
I think the music streaming companies should have the right to include whoever they want on their roster. They're not telling us who we can or can't listen to. If they don't want to support or be associated with R. Kelly, fine with me. But they risk losing business. Some companies are fine with that. On the spectrum of bad-behaving musicians, I don't think Don Henley even makes it onto the low end of the spectrum! However, as Dreamer states, he does have a conviction against him, which isn't the case with many of the rumored alleged serial abusers. Bill Wyman dated a 13-year-old girl when he was 47 and married her five years later.
In the 1980 case, did the young woman who OD'd even make a complaint against Don? Have any women made public complaints to law enforcement that he abused them?
I guess I didn't make it clear that I totally understand under the letter of the law that a minor cannot legally give consent to sexual acts. However, I did make the distinction that in the '70's, as a practical matter, as long as nothing occurred against someone's will, the perception was that it was considered to be consensual.
And, of course, Spotify has the right to do whatever they wish, but, as I said, I am, personally, very much opposed to this type of censorship.
Not that we know of. So I'm going to say no. Their was a rumor last year that one of the girls was going to come out(which was supposed to happened around this time), but it looks like it was just a rumor and just gossip.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaryCalifornia
I knew about Don dated young women, but I didn't know about the underage dating. I was shocked to know that Lorelei was 16 when she was dating Don.
No. He was reported by the paramedics to police because the young girl was on drugs in his home, and he was found to have "contributed to her delinquency" by a judge as a result, but she pressed no charges or even informally claimed he abused her as far as I know. No other women have made any complaints that he abused them either.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaryCalifornia
If you want to know more about the relationship with Lorelei Shellist, I summarized what she said in Runway Runaway here.Quote:
Originally Posted by shunlvswx
Thanks for that, Soda. Interesting summary you wrote about Don from the book.
Thank you, Soda. "Sometimes to keep it together, you've got to leave it alone" is pretty much my favorite line from any Eagles song - I can't believe they didn't write it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ETA: I just Googled images of Lorelei Shellist - some of those photos look remarkably like Sharon Henley - he has a type :)
I only read excerpts from Lorelei’s book. I didn’t know she claimed to come up with that line from Wasted Time. For some reason I thought it was Loree Rodkin.
Nice summary, Soda, thanks!
So far it appears Spotify has not responded to the letter from Ultraviolet.
FYI: I was reading a story about R. Kelly today (original story is/was from Rolling Stone), and apparently Spotify has reversed its decision to ban his songs from their site:Quote:
Originally Posted by Delilah
Just putting that out because of the mention of Spotify in this thread. Looks like there should be no worry about Spotify determining who gets played and who doesn't.Quote:
The most prominent response to #MuteRKelly came from Spotify, which removed the singer's songs from its playlists in early May. "When an artist or creator does something that is especially harmful or hateful (for example, violence against children and sexual violence), it may affect the ways we work with or support that artist or creator," the company said in a statement at the time. Within weeks, the service killed the policy, saying it would not "play judge and jury" regarding artist behavior.
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Originally Posted by CAinOH
I'm glad to hear it. In addition to the larger philosophical question, it opens up a can of worms where they have to start devoting time to deciding who's "bad enough" to get banned and justifying their decisions... perhaps this group's letter showed them that and made them decide to throw out the policy. If so, the letter really backfired!
I wonder if he really owns a 40-acre property in Malibu, could that be a misprint. Not even David Geffen could afford 40 acres in Malibu!Quote:
Originally Posted by Freypower
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Originally Posted by NightMistBlue
Apparently not. It's a freaking farm!
He talks about it here:"So when he finds himself on his hands and knees tending his vegetable farm in Malibu, he is reminded of his father's words, 'Someday, son, you will come to appreciate the land.'"
Wow!! :woah:Quote:
Originally Posted by sodascouts
Now we know why he needs more money! :lol:
LOL ! Don has PLENTY of money. I know the sites are so-so but Celebrity Net Worth estimates his net worth at $225 million dollars. Any kind of land in Malibu is a smart investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooke
Don and also Vince will be honoring Dolly at her as MusiCares Person of The Year gala in February.
https://variety.com/2018/music/news/...3tpNJuPpMyOVTI
Congrats to Dolly and it's great that Don will be there!
Glad that Don was invited to honor Dolly and congrats to her on this well-deserved honor.
As we were discussing the odd pairing of Don and Guns N Roses, I found this article on how Don was asked to fill in at the AMAs.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/don-henley-guns-n-roses/
Thanks for that article. I didn't realize he knew about it that far ahead of time. I somehow had the idea they'd asked him that night! This is less dramatic, but makes more sense lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by shunlvswx
I thought the same too. A day of the show or a couple of days. So Steve had been in rehab for months when the show happened.
Axl could had asked anyone to fill in, but it is a great honor for Don. Something he probably would never do and I don't think he has ever done it again.
Fleetwood Mac News Facebook Page are saying Don might be there at Steve's R&R HoF induction tomorrow night to sing Leather and Lace with her. I guess we will see.
https://www.facebook.com/FleetwoodMa...ref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARDxzHwgBkFwfmJFhzWPWA2o4Inv06f2vq9r8mA7FkSnqk SJOIu_XTJqvjihAme8cBA4tLxjV8eOSrRWzDudWD3edrWJ07jQ bcSdMmqktEC6H3T66ME89Uw4VbRXaf4CncHsL3Pty0jDMSGMhW Gq_vrcBEjI0TNI9o_epZ25Vvi-CdRpgJiXNKkUGa3T0RgHEcfLzvYK6oDBC0AE0ypIcwZHdaF9Kq g2vMsR5pXMP7YOp2ntRuT9WEwV4uhSp8tlG7lxFbf6phWUaNGR cvw4DtrudqCXUIBjjQbjPpmylHmINIX4vO0A1wzAF1SP2BO9Yr DYNMJBUN0ebQHc_IB1aXiYCQ
That would be exciting - and would certainly guarantee more viewers!
Don Henley was singing with her at soundcheck. Looks like he's a sure thing!
Cool. I had a feeling he might be there even though Harry Styles was going to inducted her. I had changed the wording in my original post because I didn't know if it was true or not, but it looks like its true.
I don't have HBO anymore, but I hope HBO does a free preview weekend the weekend R&R HoF is shown at the end of April. I will look on Youtube, Instagram and Twitter tonight.
He hasn't been at the R&R HoF ceremony since 2013 when he inducted Randy Newman.
Thanks for the info, shun.
Don will appear in Linda's new documentary, The Sound Of My Voice. I wonder when its coming out.
https://www.udiscovermusic.com/news/...e-documentary/
Great! Can't wait to see it!
Thanks, shun!
Thanks for the heads up!Quote:
Originally Posted by shunlvswx
Thanks Shun. I can't wait to see it. I love Linda, she had such a beautiful voice.
I just saw in an article that Linda's documentary will be out later this year on CNN.
Its that time again for the The Walden Woods Project Global Environmental Leadership Award gala. This year they'll be honoring Ed Begley Jr. and his wife for this year's Global Environmental Leadership Award. Of course they will give out other awards that night.
Special musical guest this year will be Don's friend, Billy Joel. I wonder what song Don will sing with Billy. He was on stage with Paul Simon two years ago when he played the gala. I only saw video of Don singing and guitar drumming on The Boxer.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyl...OPJ/story.html
https://www.walden.org/events/gela-dinner-2019/
Cool! Looking forward to the photos. Maybe there will be video this time too?Quote:
Originally Posted by shunlvswx
If it will, you got to catch it before it’s taken down. I wish I had download it. By the time I got the chance to download it, it was gone.
If their will be a video(which their probably will), this would be the first time I've ever seen Billy and Don singing together. We have seen pictures of them on stage together, but no video. If they do share the stage with a few songs, I hope its not She's Got A Way. I've heard him sing that twice. I have no idea what song Don can sing. I love to hear one of Billy's up tempo songs.
Agreed. Let's get some variety!Quote:
Originally Posted by shunlvswx
Ed is one of Don's best friends, I believe. I wonder if they met through the Walden Woods project?
Good question. Probably so.
Ed is also on the Board of Directors.