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    I have to agree with everything you wrote, Soda. As a matter of fact, I just came in here to post much of the same things you said. So thanks for saving me a lot of time.

    As far as the discussion about Joe, I think he was more of an alpha male during the 70's in terms of being a lot more vocal and opinionated than he is now. He has definitely seemed to mellow with time and sobriety. So I would agree that from what we fans can observe as outsiders who don't know much about the inner workings of the band now, he doesn't appear to be an alpha.

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    However, it would NOT have been phenomenally successful if either Glenn or Don Henley were missing. In the end, that's why Glenn and Don Henley were able to negotiate for more money while Don Felder was not. They had the leverage as the big names, the lead singers, and the only remaining original members. As the only two men who were absolutely essential to a successful Eagles reunion, Frey and Henley could and did command more money, just like the bigger stars in the movies get paid more than the lesser known ones. By contrast, as the Eagles have shown, Felder is no longer essential to their success. Thus, he did not have the kind of leverage necessary to demand more money. If Frey or Henley walked out, it was over for everybody. If Felder walked out (or was pushed out), it was only over for him.

    You may or may not agree, but the logic is sound if you look at it in business terms instead of emotional ones.
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    There is one important point you are missing here & I'm not sure who it was who talked about it in the dvd, it may have been Irving, but they needed Don Felder because when they put Joe into rehhab, they were not sure that it was going to work out & if he would be sober enough to do the tour. They said for the HFO reunion, they had to have at least 1 of the guitar players & preferably both of them.... but if Joe wasn't well enough for the touring, at least they would have Felder! This is very important, because Joe was so fragile & his future was shaky at best at this point. The Eagles are not just Don & Glenn!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sodascouts View Post
    Glenn and Don played Eagles songs in their sets, although they didn't dominate. They knew the crowd expected to hear some Eagles and they gave them what they wanted. Plus, those are some darn good songs and they wrote 'em... why shouldn't they still play 'em?

    However, I think Glenn is talking here more in terms of visibility, not in terms of how much Eagle-talk they were doing. Heck, Glenn was telling everyone and their dog that the Eagles would NEVER EVER EVER get back together. The point is that they were the only ones who found any success at all in the eighties, and thus were the ones who were still on the radar of the public, so to speak. I can tell you that speaking for myself as a child of the 80s, I only knew their names from their solo careers, and had never heard of any of the other Eagles.

    Between 1980-1994, Joe actually did actively promote the Eagles in interviews by saying he hoped they got back together again. During that time, he also played Eagles songs during his set, released more solo albums than Glenn and Don did, and gigged just as much if not more. Therefore, if you're talking simply in terms of output, he actually surpassed Don and Glenn. The problem is that he found almost no success as a solo act post-Eagles and his gigs were generally as an opening act, part of "Ringo's All-Starr Band," playing at a mall or guitar store opening, that kind of thing. Thus, he didn't have the kind of visibility to keep the Eagles in people's minds like Glenn and Don did.

    Poor Timothy's albums were so unsuccessful he didn't even tour at all.

    Don Felder's lone solo album found no more success than Timothy's and thus Felder stayed off the road as well. Therefore, you can't really attribute him not playing Eagles songs to animosity or lack of leads... he didn't play anything! Now that he is doing solo shows, not only does he play Eagles songs, he also bills his show as "An Evening at the Hotel California." Obviously, whether or not things ended well with the Eagles has no bearing on his choice of setlist. I say, more power to him. He has every right to play songs he co-wrote with the Eagles regardless of whether or not he sang lead on them initially. Now, the ones he didn't co-write... well, that's another matter. At any rate, one cannot pretend that he doesn't trade on the Eagles name - and I personally have no problem with that. He deserves to get mileage out of his time with the Eagles. They all do.

    All that said, I think the Eagles reunion would have been phenomenally successful even if neither Glenn nor Don had ever scored a hit. The Eagles were one of, if not THE, biggest bands of the seventies with excellent music that was being played constantly on classic radio.

    However, it would NOT have been phenomenally successful if either Glenn or Don Henley were missing. In the end, that's why Glenn and Don Henley were able to negotiate for more money while Don Felder was not. They had the leverage as the big names, the lead singers, and the only remaining original members. As the only two men who were absolutely essential to a successful Eagles reunion, Frey and Henley could and did command more money, just like the bigger stars in the movies get paid more than the lesser known ones. By contrast, as the Eagles have shown, Felder is no longer essential to their success. Thus, he did not have the kind of leverage necessary to demand more money. If Frey or Henley walked out, it was over for everybody. If Felder walked out (or was pushed out), it was only over for him.

    You may or may not agree, but the logic is sound if you look at it in business terms instead of emotional ones.

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    This review appeared on my FB page from EaglesFastlane...Pretty harsh review

    http://therenodispatch.blogspot.com/...y-new.html?m=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topkat View Post
    This review appeared on my FB page from EaglesFastlane...Pretty harsh review

    http://therenodispatch.blogspot.com/...y-new.html?m=1
    Any bozo can go through any fansite and pick out what suits them and leave the rest unsaid and call it journalism. For instance, go through this thread, pick out the negative, totally ignore the positive and ambivalent, and write an article and publish it. Obviously, his research wasn't very thorough, or he knew his agenda before booting up his computer.

    He's not even a real journalist, he's a blogger. With no contact information.
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    Well, I just looked him up & here's his website, Say's he wrote for Newsweek, NY Times, Sports Illustrated & Rolling Stone & he does have contact information listed

    http://www.jamiereno.com/

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    Thank you, TK, the profile on blogger.com didn't have contact info. I know SI and RS use bloggers when they want opinion and not an objective article. I'm not sure which this guy is. However, in the millions and millions of Eagles fans and the sheer number that watched this movie, he quoted THREE to support his own opinion. He said there were 'many' who felt differently, but didn't give any quotes from them or even a summary of their thoughts.

    It is a review, which is typically all opinion. He's entitled to it. I'm just glad I have an equal right to give my opinion.
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    I hate it when reviews claim to speak for the "fans" when actually they're just giving their own opinions and interviewing a few buddies. He didn't get those opinions off of a fansite; I followed his link to the Fast Lane and none of the quotes he used were from there. Those quotes were just from some people he talked to.

    I have no problem with him giving the opinion of himself and his buddies. That's what such blogs are for, and as this thread has shown, he's not the only one who thinks that way.

    I just have a problem with the implication that the majority of fans feel that way without any proof whatsoever. If the headline had simply read "SOME Eagles fans angered by new documentary on the band" I would be cool with it because that's the truth without any misleading implications. You might say "Well, he qualifies it later in the article in one clause of one sentence" but we all know the headline is what sets the tone for the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topkat View Post
    There is one important point you are missing here & I'm not sure who it was who talked about it in the dvd, it may have been Irving, but they needed Don Felder because when they put Joe into rehhab, they were not sure that it was going to work out & if he would be sober enough to do the tour. They said for the HFO reunion, they had to have at least 1 of the guitar players & preferably both of them.... but if Joe wasn't well enough for the touring, at least they would have Felder! This is very important, because Joe was so fragile & his future was shaky at best at this point.
    If they truly felt Felder was essential, they never would have risked losing him by issuing that ultimatum. I guess at that point Glenn would rather roll the dice with Joe than negotiate with Felder.

    The Eagles are not just Don & Glenn!
    You're absolutely right.... but in terms of the success of the reunion, they were the only two whose absence would have been catastrophic. That was shown by the fact that having everyone but Glenn was not enough to get the Eagles back together in 1990.

    As I said before, if either Frey or Henley said no, the reunion wasn't happening. If Felder said no, they went with Joe, and the reunion rolled on.

    The only way Felder could have worked this is if he had been able to get the other members to hold out as well. The Eagles could not tour as just Frey and Henley with no other members. If Felder had said to Walsh and Schmit, "Let's none of us agree to a less than equal share" they might have been able to pull it off, union-strike style.

    However, those guys didn't stand with Felder, and Felder for all his talk never tried to insist that Walsh and Schmit got an equal share, only that HE got as much money as Frey and Henley.

    As the lone holdout, he never stood a chance.

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    Obviously the two main guys are henley and frey in that order but any purist eagles fan cant say that felder didnt leave a hole in the line up. Seeing some other guy doing his part in hotel california is simply not the same thing. Its like felder singing hotel california. Its not the same and neither is it the eagles without him.

    Frey is lucky henly didnt demand more than him. But henley is not stupid he knew that 100 million is better than 0 million ( if frey would have walked since he was already the last holdout) and not much less than a few million more he could have gotten if he demanded more than frey.
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