Kennedy Centre Honorees

[Dawn]

I undersrtand what you are saying & I appreciate what you are saying to me. :-)

But the point is when the announcement was made it specifically only included the four members of the then current lineup. Bernie Leadon was not included. The KCH people determined who the honorees would be, not the Eagles.

For the same reason I assume the KCH people will decide on the performers, and they will want to get famous musicians to perform Eagles songs. This is a national event & it is to acknowledge the Eagles' cultural contribution to the US. It isn't about paying tribute to Glenn Frey in this instance.

I agree but I think they will need and probably want to acknowledge Glenn's passing in some way, shape or form - after all he was a founding member of the Eagles - there's going to be an empty chair in the balcony and emotions will be raw.

I can think of a lot of musicians who I'd like to see perform but at the end of the day I'm sure whoever is chosen will be awesome. There's a lot of material to choose from I'm really curious which songs will make the cut apart from Hotel California which I imagine is a given.

[Jonny Come Lately]

This board is one of the best I am apart of. Best part is hardly any fighting or bickering:grouphug:.

Agreed! :smile: I think it's because so many Eagles fans are great people. I've seen a lot worse fighting on boards for bands who've had far fewer fallings out over the years, that's for sure!

My attitude towards the KCH is straightforward. Glenn has to be honoured. The simple fact is he was alive when the band was honoured. I urge the organisers not to forget that he was there from the start of the band to the end and was one of only two who could say that. To say that he should not be honoured because he has passed away since the award was initially announced and that he wouldn't be able to collect his award, the only 'sensible' reasons I can possibly think of for him not to be, is simply heartless and in my opinion not an acceptable excuse. He might not be able to get the award, but I'm sure it means a lot to Cindy and his children, as well as the other Eagles. I am aware that only the surviving members of Led Zeppelin were inducted, but it is a completely different situation to John Bonham, who died over 30 years before Led Zeppelin were honoured - I think it is fair to say that by that stage the loss was still (IIRC Bonzo was 32 when he died, but would have been double that age if he had lived to be honoured). Glenn Frey was more important to the Eagles than Bonham was to Led Zeppelin, great drummer though he was (Page and Plant were the Frey and Henley of their band). This honour was given to the Eagles for what they have achieved as a band, and Glenn was essential to that.

Of the two 'in favour' former band members, I think it would be nice to see Bernie appear even if he's not being honoured, and personally I would also be pleased to see Steuart there. After the HOTE tour and their appearance at the Grammys, I feel they are part of the team. In all honesty, I would probably prefer if it Randy didn't appear unless things have dramatically improved in his private life. I feel it is far more important that everything is okay in his world than for him to appear publically for an award he will not receive himself.

With regards to the setlist, for possible inclusions I thought it would be a good idea to check which songs were played when Led Zeppelin were inducted. Having had a check (I wasn't into Zep back then), according to this article (http://www.examiner.com/article/led-zeppelin-honorerd-at-35th-annual-kennedy-center-honors I believe the setlist was as follows:

Moby Dick - Rob Mathes Band
Whole Lotta Love - Lenny Kravitz
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You/Ramble On (medley) - Kid Rock
Black Dog - Foo Fighters
Rock and Roll - Foo Fighters
Stairway To Heaven - Ann & Nancy Wilson plus Jason Bonham

The prominence of Stairway To Heaven suggests that Hotel California (which I think is fair to say is the Eagles' equivalent song) is extremely likely to feature. Interpreting a possible Eagles setlist from the rest of this is difficult and highly speculative (although, crucially, I feel not in a harmful way), but indicates that we may possibly get a less famous song. I'd personally be surprised if Take It Easy wasn't played, but I'm really not sure which other songs would be featured.

[UndertheWire]

Johnny, that was well-reasoned. Last year, the representative for the Kennedy Center said there were no rules and given that, I can't see how they could exclude Glenn.

I'm sure Hotel California will be played, although that will be slightly controversial if Don Felder isn't present. Of course having him present would also be controversial so they can't win.

[Freypower]

Johnny, that was well-reasoned. Last year, the representative for the Kennedy Center said there were no rules and given that, I can't see how they could exclude Glenn.

I'm sure Hotel California will be played, although that will be slightly controversial if Don Felder isn't present. Of course having him present would also be controversial so they can't win.

Hotel California belongs to the Eagles, not Don Felder. You can't exclude their best known song just because he happens to have a writing credit on it.

*Why Moby Dick? It's hardly well known & it's an instrumental. That would be like the Eagles tribute featuring Journey of the Sorcerer.

[Dawn]

Hotel California belongs to the Eagles, not Don Felder. You can't exclude their best known song just because he happens to have a writing credit on it.

*Why Moby Dick? It's hardly well known & it's an instrumental. That would be like the Eagles tribute featuring Journey of the Sorcerer.

Rolling Stone ranked Hotel California #49 on its list of The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time. Can't imagine this iconic song not being included - in fact - I'd be shocked if it wasn't.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/the-500-greatest-songs-of-all-time-20110407/the-eagles-hotel-california-20110525

[travlnman2]

There were 7 bridges and Felder burned all of them.

Lets be thankful that they are being honored at all.

This reminds me of the time when the band received the award for the best selling album of the 20th century in 1999 and Bernie and Randy had to call to get there awards because they were not at the Millennium shows.

[travlnman2]

Freypower he did say slightly

[Freypower]

Freypower he did say slightly

I know that. I don't agree that it will be controversial at all if the song is performed. The song belongs to the whole band.

[GlennLover]

I know that. I don't agree that it will be controversial at all if the song is performed. The song belongs to the whole band.

I agree. I can't see that there would be controversy over HC being performed. The band has been playing it without Felder for over 15 years. I think it would be more controversial if it wasn't played.

[UndertheWire]

Of course HC will get played. And there will be controversy amongst fans whether Felder is there or not. The general public probably won't be aware unless there's a lot of adverse publicity and hopefully everyone, including former members, will keep that to a minimum.

[shunlvswx]

I don't know why this is brought up again about the former members being honored. All this speculation has been going on ever since they announced it last year. I doubt they will change it.

The "ONLY" time we will hear Don F, Bernie and Randy's name and see them is during the little video montage they do on the background of the honorees before they do the performance part of their honor. And believe me, they will bring up Don F, Bernie and Randy's name during that video montage. If you have ever watched KCH, they say something about the current and former band members or if you are in a band you just being honored solo, they will bring up that part. The good, bad and ugly.

They have to bring up Bernie and Randy during the video montage because they will talk about who was in the band when the guys first got together in 1971 and when they got back together in 1994 for HFO. They can't skip how they got together and they can't skip when they got together for HFO. That's a big chunk of their history of the band that's gone if they took that out.

They will show Don F especially if they say something about the HC album which they probably will since that's one of their biggest selling albums and of course HFO which he was part of. So they have to show those three former members. That's the ONLY time you will see and hear those three names, but I guess its not enough. They have to physically be there.

I just don't know how they are going to do Glenn. I know they probably say something in the video montage of their founding member died this year. Its sad he won't be there to be honored with Don, Joe and Timothy.

As for HC. If I remembered correctly, Don H and Glenn are also the co-writers of HC. Don F wrote the music. Don H and Glenn wrote the lyrics. So why is it any controversy of them playing that song at KCH. If that was true, the Eagles should had stopped playing that song when Don F left the band in 2001 or Don F could had told them to stop playing that song in concert or the other way around. You really can't tell somebody to stop playing a song that you also wrote unless you sue them to stop which I doubt Don F did that when he sued Don and Glenn some years ago. I will be surprised too if they don't perform HC at KCH.

We just have to wait and see when they announce KCH next month IF the guys are even still going to do KCH and who will be honored, but I think its going to the current surviving members.

I'm sorry for being rude or upset about this, but this subject about who should be honored its just getting very old.

This is probably why KCH don't honored bands that much. They will be fussed it about who should also be honored and why this member wasn't.

[sodascouts]

Maybe I missed something, but I don't understand why people are worried Glenn won't get honored. He already has been honored, while he was still alive. The actual ceremony hasn't occurred - that was put off - but the honor has already been bestowed. People are worrying over nothing, IMHO.

Some quotes to back me up:


"Though they were not in the audience, the ceremony still honored the group in absentia"

http://tasteofcountry.com/miranda-lambert-eagles-desperado-kennedy-center-honors-video/


A line from the Eagles statement:

"We are deeply grateful to have been named a Kennedy Center honoree"

Notice the tense that I've highlighted. It's not "We are deeply grateful that we WILL BE NAMED a Kennedy Center honoree."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/eagles-postpone-kennedy-center-honors-due-to-glenn-freys-surgery-20151107#ixzz4BBcgUkdT


If you think the above may have just been misunderstandings or poorly phrased, this is what the KCH has on its site. Again, notice what I've highlighted:

"The presentation of a Kennedy Center Honors to the popular rock band, Eagles, has been postponed to 2016. "The Eagles will be unable to participate in the 2015 Kennedy Center Honors on December 6 due to Glenn Frey's health," said the band in a statement. "The Kennedy Center has graciously agreed to postpone the Eagles' award presentation until next year, when all four Eagles, Glenn Frey, Don Henley, Joe Walsh, and Timothy B. Schmit, can attend."

They do not say they are postponing the award itself, just the PRESENTATION Of the award. I take this to mean that the award itself has already been bestowed.

http://www.kennedy-center.org/pages/specialevents/honors


Look at it this way. You've just won your race at the Olympics. From the moment you win, you are the "gold medalist". This is true before you actually get the medal at the ceremony. If, God forbid, you die of a heart attack before you get to the podium, you will still be remembered as the "gold medalist" for that year. The medal itself is just a symbol. The honor is not dependent on you getting it hung around your neck.

[shunlvswx]

Thanks for that explanation, Soda. Maybe your post will clear up some misunderstanding about the KCH. You're right. It did say "have been name" not "will be name".

IMO. I just hate Glenn won't be there for the presentation. That's the sad thing.

[buffyfan145]

I agree Soda. I think a lot of the confusion was because like I said earlier a death never happened to a Kennedy Center honoree before. Glenn, Don, Joe, and Timothy were the only ones listed last year and were already honorees so it still counts. It really is up to the Kennedy Center and the rest of the band but it should still go on. We won't know for sure till it's officially announced next month. And I've watched the show before too and the others members will be mentioned but the award will only go to those named and it would still be the four that were named in 2015.

As for "Hotel California", that for sure will be played. I personally would hope it will be a variety of famous artists from both the rock and country genres as the Eagles influenced both genres so much. I automatically pictured someone like Keith Urban and Dave Grohl doing the guitar solos for HC, and maybe getting Brad Paisley or Vince Gill involved as well as friends like Jackson Browe and Bob Segar. They'll probably highlight a song each one of the four sang lead on, and then do HC last.

[Dawn]

The invitation-only weekend-long ceremony includes the Chairman's Luncheon, State Department dinner, White House reception and the Honors gala performances and supper.

Surrounded by the Honorees, the luncheon is held on Saturday at the Kennedy Center, with a welcoming speech by the Chairman of the Board of Trustees. At that evening's reception and dinner at the State Department, presided over by the Secretary of State, the Honorees are introduced and the Honors medallions are presented by the Chairman of the Board.[8] The wide rainbow-colored ribbon then hung around the necks of the recipients, and prominently noticeable when the events are televised, symbolizes "a spectrum of many skills within the performing arts" according to creator Ivan Chermayeff.[9]

On Sunday, there is an early-evening White House reception[10] hosted by the President of the United States and the First Lady, followed by the Honors gala performance at the Kennedy Center and supper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_Center_Honors

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2012/12/Zep.jpg

[Jonny Come Lately]

Thank you for the clarification, Soda. I'm happy and relieved to hear that!

Buffyfan, I really like your thinking with regard to possible performers, it would definitely be a good idea to include both rock and country artists to emphasise the influence of the Eagles on both genres. I don't have any strong suggestions as to who I think should perform, beyond saying that I think the rockers would be more naturally suited to a song like Hotel California whereas country artists would probably do better on a song like Desperado, while I think Take It Easy could go either way (I mention these as I feel these are all very strong candidates for inclusion, although given that Miranda Lambert did Desperado last year they could use something different). Looking at the list of performers at the Led Zeppelin tribute, with the possible exception of Heart, I don't think the others were particularly obvious choices but I'm sure there's plenty of very talented musicians who could do a great job.

[MaryCalifornia]

On Sunday, there is an early-evening White House reception[10] hosted by the President of the United States and the First Lady, followed by the Honors gala performance at the Kennedy Center and supper.

Wow, this is so cool, can't believe they could get to do this. I could see the three guys and their wives and Irving and Cindy or Cindy with her 3 kids.

BUT WAIT, when is the ceremony? Will Obama still be in office??? I'll bet he loves the Eagles, I can see him in Hawaii in the late 70s, smokin' some weed and listening to some HC!!:hilarious: No, seriously, what's the date for 2017? Do we have it?

[shunlvswx]

Wow, this is so cool, can't believe they could get to do this. I could see the three guys and their wives and Irving and Cindy or Cindy with her 3 kids.

BUT WAIT, when is the ceremony? Will Obama still be in office??? I'll bet he loves the Eagles, I can see him in Hawaii in the late 70s, smokin' some weed and listening to some HC!!:hilarious: No, seriously, what's the date for 2017? Do we have it?

I think its usually the first weekend of December. Even though the gala performance is that first week of December along with everything, the gala performance is usually shown on tv either after Christmas or close to New Year's Eve.

Yes. Obama will be there. This will be his last one and whoever is president next year will be there next year.

The White House reception is usually put up on YouTube. So we will get to see that and hear the president talk about each honorees and what he was doing when they were huge. I don't know how long it usually is, but I've seen only 15 minutes of it online.

Here's a video from 2 years ago. This is probably what it is going on during the reception. Like I said. They don't put up the whole reception. Just the president saying something about each honoree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6BA98ZNmv4

[Brooke]

BUT WAIT, when is the ceremony? Will Obama still be in office??? I'll bet he loves the Eagles, I can see him in Hawaii in the late 70s, smokin' some weed and listening to some HC!!:hilarious: No, seriously, what's the date for 2017? Do we have it?

Lol, MC! The ceremony is in December and I assume Obama will be there because the new President won't take over till around January 20th even though the election is in November. Someone correct me if I am wrong please.

And THANK YOU, SODA, for explaining this again! I'm very tired of the speculation too.

As far as songs that will be performed, surely HC and Take It Easy. I can't imagine what else. Maybe Peaceful Easy Feeling, One of These Nights, Best of My Love.....???

Who? Bob Seger, Jackson Browne, Keith Urban, Brad Paisley, Vince Gill, Little Big Town, Jamey Johnson, Ashley Monroe......???

Does anyone know who picks the artists to perform?

[shunlvswx]

I think the people at the KCH or a committee probably picks them. The honorees usually suppose to not know who will be there.

You're right, Brooke. President Obama will be at this year's KCH. This will be his last one and then the new president will be there next year. When its election year, I don't think the new president for the following year will be there.

I always wonder who is picked to sit by the president every year. LOL

[MaryCalifornia]

You need at least one musical act that is mainstream popular now to perform. Someone the young'ins care about. Foo Fighters is an obvious choice. Otherwise, I'm only coming up with One Direction!

Also, I think LITFL would be a good choice.

[shunlvswx]

You need at least one musical act that is mainstream popular now to perform. Someone the young'ins care about. I'm only coming up with One Direction!

Also, I think LITFL would be a good choice.

You're right, MC. I think there's usually a current popular act that's there and the rest are people who've been in the music business for years.

Its going to be interesting who they will pick for the guys. I agree that some of the country acts, pop and rock acts should pay tribute to the guys. The guys have worked with soo many people over the years. Its going to be interesting to see who will say yes.

I had always wonder if Miranda was going to be one of the performers to pay tribute to the guys if they guys were there last year. She probably was going to be there.

As for songs. I definitely see HC. Other songs, maybe: Desperado, Already Gone, Take It Easy or Peaceful Easy Feeling.

[buffyfan145]

I too think Miranda was going to be part of the performers last year and makes me wonder if she'll participate again. I love the idea of Little Big Town doing a song as I've been a fan for years and they harmonize so well.

[Brooke]

I too think Miranda was going to be part of the performers last year and makes me wonder if she'll participate again. I love the idea of Little Big Town doing a song as I've been a fan for years and they harmonize so well.

When I first heard LBT they reminded me of the Eagles so much! I think they could really do any of their ballads justice.

[sodascouts]

IMO. I just hate Glenn won't be able there for the presentation. That's the sad thing.

I hear you. It made me sad to type that statement because it said they were going to postpone the presentation until Glenn could be there, too... but that will never happen now. It breaks my heart. At least he knew about the honor since it was announced before everything happened. It's a small comfort but still.

[NOLA]

It makes me really sad, because you know the guys' tears are going to fall during the tribute, and not because they're happy to receive the honor. I think it's going to be a really somber ceremony at times.

For songs, anything on that bazillion-selling, record-setting Their Greatest Hits, 1971-1975 is fair game. Same goes for the second volume, because I will assume the organizers want to hear the band's, vice any solo, hits.

[Freypower]

It makes me really sad, because you know the guys' tears are going to fall during the tribute, and not because they're happy to receive the honor. I think it's going to be a really somber ceremony at times.

For songs, anything on that bazillion-selling, record-setting Their Greatest Hits, 1971-1975 is fair game. Same goes for the second volume, because I will assume the organizers want to hear the band's, vice any solo, hits.

I don't think Already Gone or PEF should be played. They weren't written by any band members. I know all about 'honorary Eagle' Jack Tempchin but still.... I hope New Kid In Town is played.

[Funk 50]

I'm really not any clearer about The Kennedy Center Honors than I was when I first heard about it. It's a very prestigious honor but there aren't any rules or requirements to meet or follow. So they make the rules up as they go along, which I approve of. :grin:

I hope Glenn's family are able to except a posthumous award on his behalf. If the remaining Eagles perform or somebody else is invited to perform on their behalf, I hope It's Your World Now is the song chosen. Henley says it's a fitting closing statement from the band. I like the fact that it's actually from this century and I'd much rather allow Jack Tempchin to have something to crow about rather than Don Felder. :-)

[shunlvswx]

Funk 50. The guys will NOT performed. None of the honorees performed (of all the years I watch the special, the honorees never go on the stage and perform) and they don't say anything either at the gala performance.

Like I said earlier in this post. The honorees do not perform. They sit in the balcony with the other honorees, their family and the president. They just sit back and enjoy the performance of the people that are honoring them. They might say something at the other events that leads up to the big gala performance that Sunday, but at this particular one. They don't say anything or perform. That weekend is for them and see the people who are influenced by their work.

[Dawn]

I'd love to see Heartache Tonight performed - it was co-written by Henley and Frey (with JDS and Pete Seger) and it'd be great if Pete Seger performed the song but like everyone else I have no idea what songs and performing artists make the cut and/or why. I'd also like to see New Kid in Town, HC and Desperado. At the end of the day, I'll be happy with whatever happens because it's a distinctive recognition that honors Glenn, Don H, Joe and Timothy in a very memorable and meaningful way.

[AlreadyGone95]

I'd love to see Heartache Tonight performed - it was co-written by Henley and Frey (with JDS and Pete Seger) and it'd be great if Pete Seger performed the song but like everyone else I have no idea what songs and performing artists make the cut and/or why. I'd also like to see New Kid in Town, HC and Desperado. At the end of the day, I'll be happy with whatever happens because it's a distinctive recognition that honors Glenn, Don H, Joe and Timothy in a very memorable and meaningful way.

It was Bob Seger, not Pete Seeger, who cowrote Heartache Tonight.

I would like to see a song which featured each of the 4 guys on lead vocals originally. (Hotel California, Take It Easy, In The City, and I Can't Tell You Why for example. Though, I would prefer New Kid in Town, Already Gone or Heartache Tonight over Take It Easy). I think that would be a fair way to honor all 4 guys.

[Dawn]

It was Bob Seger, not Pete Seeger, who cowrote Heartache Tonight.

I would like to see a song which featured each of the 4 guys on lead vocals originally. (Hotel California, Take It Easy, In The City, and I Can't Tell You Why for example. Though, I would prefer New Kid in Town, Already Gone or Heartache Tonight over Take It Easy). I think that would be a fair way to honor all 4 guys.

LOL!!! Pete Seeger - Peter Paul and Mary - what was I thinking! Thanks for the correction.

Yes good point - songs featuring all 4 guys on lead vocals would be ideal.

At the end of the day the music and performing artists chosen are up to the powers that be - I'm just going to be glad to see them honored and try not to cry too much that Glenn isn't there to be honored for his tremendous talent and achievement along with Don, Joe, and Timothy. It is comforting to know Glenn was aware of the honor and I'm sure it meant quite a lot to him and of course, his family, who I imagine will be there to accept the award on his behalf.

[UndertheWire]

I think I remember an interview with Don Henley where he said that the artists being honored often have some idea who will play as sometimes the contact may be through them. It would have been during his promotion of Cass County.

[Dawn]

I think I remember an interview with Don Henley where he said that the artists being honored often have some idea who will play as sometimes the contact may be through them. It would have been during his promotion of Cass County.

Thanks UTW - that makes a lot of sense actually.

One thing I'm really curious about is whether a woman will be one of the artists and if so which song she'll do. I thought Heart's performance of Stairway to Heaven for the Led Zeppelin honors a few years ago was supremely well done and LZ appeared to be impressed as well.

[shunlvswx]

I think I remember an interview with Don Henley where he said that the artists being honored often have some idea who will play as sometimes the contact may be through them. It would have been during his promotion of Cass County.

I was watching that interview yesterday. It was the Studio 10 interview he did with that Australian reporter(also the same interview where he tells the reporter his 40 year old eldest child was getting married). I remembered him saying that. I was surprised about that statement since I always thought the people at the KCH pick who comes since its suppose to be a surprised. If you watched any of the KCH specials. Unless the honorees reaction are fake, they are surprised at who pays tribute to them. Billy looked very surprised when he saw Don come on the stage. Led Zeppelin were surprise to see Jason Bonham there. Carole King was surprised at the people who paid tribute to her last year especially when Aretha Franklin came on stage.

SO they probably have a little say in who should come and KCH people do the rest. I'm always surprised at the performer who are picked to pay tribute to different honorees. So I'm surprised and shocked that they are fans of their work and some I know they were great friends.

[Jonny Come Lately]

LOL!!! Pete Seeger - Peter Paul and Mary - what was I thinking! Thanks for the correction.

Yes good point - songs featuring all 4 guys on lead vocals would be ideal.

At the end of the day the music and performing artists chosen are up to the powers that be - I'm just going to be glad to see them honored and try not to cry too much that Glenn isn't there to be honored for his tremendous talent and achievement along with Don, Joe, and Timothy. It is comforting to know Glenn was aware of the honor and I'm sure it meant quite a lot to him and of course, his family, who I imagine will be there to accept the award on his behalf.

You aren't the first person to get those two mixed up, indeed quite a few people made that mistake in embarrassing circumstances a few years ago!

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/pete-seeger-bob-seger-twitter/

Poor Bob! Fortunately IIRC I think he was more amused than anything else. :lol:

Agreed about Glenn, very nicely put.

[Dawn]

You aren't the first person to get those two mixed up, indeed quite a few people made that mistake in embarrassing circumstances a few years ago!

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/pete-seeger-bob-seger-twitter/

Poor Bob! Fortunately IIRC I think he was more amused than anything else. :lol:

Agreed about Glenn, very nicely put.

Oh my JCL - thanks for the link to the Pete vs Bob Seeger/Seger mixup - I had no idea and yes, poor Bob. :? Off topic but I have to say I adore Pete Seeger. Such a fantastic singer, musician & performer. I also loved Mary Travers and was saddened when she passed away she was truly an inspirational, elegant, kind & gentle spirit lady! Can only imagine how wonderful it would have been to see this iconic trio in concert they harmonized so perfectly and were each gifted solo artists as well.

Allbest,

Dawn

[MaryCalifornia]

Thanks UTW - that makes a lot of sense actually.

One thing I'm really curious about is whether a woman will be one of the artists and if so which song she'll do. I thought Heart's performance of Stairway to Heaven for the Led Zeppelin honors a few years ago was supremely well done and LZ appeared to be impressed as well.

Women sang lead on all of the songs honoring Nirvana at the 2014 RnRHoF ceremony - Joan Jett, Lorde, Kim Gordon, Annie Clark (St. Vincent) and it was excellent. I can see at least one woman singing an Eagles song at the Kennedy Center Honors.

[shunlvswx]

Maybe Trisha. She did a great job on New Kid In Town. Miranda might come back this year.

[GlennLover]

Just to clarify, it is Peter Yarrow who was part of Peter, Paul & Mary.

[shunlvswx]

The list is out and the guys will be part of it. Also a nice gesture in one of the paragraphs. I want to cry. :cry:

They'll be honor with Al Pacino, James Taylor and Mavis Staples.

This will probably be our last time seeing them together. I'm glad the guys decided to still do the KCH.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/al-pacino-mavis-staples-james-taylor-selected-for-kennedy-center-honors/2016/06/22/13feb62c-38b8-11e6-8f7c-d4c723a2becb_story.html

[NightMistBlue]

I *love* James Taylor!

Bernie and Randy and Felder are not included. "Taylor and the Eagles — Frey, Don Henley, Timothy B. Schmit and Joe Walsh — are voices of their generations" the KC official said.

Frey’s widow, Cynthia Millican Frey, will be seated with the band during the ceremony, the arts center said.

[shunlvswx]

For a change. I know everybody who will be honored. LOL I didn't know James hasn't been honored yet. I thought he already was. Who would had thought the following year he would be back, but as a honoree.

Al Pacino and The Eagles in the same room. I'm in heaven. I love Al Pacino. He's my favorite actor.

[shunlvswx]

Another article. It looks like they have made a statement. It will be bittersweet in December. This also will be the first time we see Cindy since Glenn's death(I don't know if we will see her before then, but this will be the first time). I know its going to be an emotional night for the guys especially Cindy.

http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Al-Pacino-the-Eagles-among-Kennedy-Center-8320799.php#photo-10434918


"We accept this honor in memory of our comrade and fellow traveler, Eagles founder Glenn Frey," the band said in a statement. "The members of the band hailed from different regions of this great nation and we always felt very fortunate that our music was embraced by people from all walks of life, all over the world."

[Eagles7]

Well, it will be a nice occasion to honor Glen, but it saddens me that it won't be a really true honor for the Eagles unless all 7 members are honored, as they were by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

I loved the 4 final Eagles, but this is particularly hard for those of us who loved that band earlier, turned their new tunes up full blast in the car, waited for a new album release, and sang along to all the words.

No disrespect to the 4 Eagles who kept the music alive from 2000 on, but that music was created by those four AND Bernie Leadon, Randy Misner, and Don Felder, as well. You can't honor the Eagles without honoring all the men who made all the magic!
:cry: :headscratch: :nope: :headshake: :shrug:

[shunlvswx]

This is not the RRHoF. This award is way different from the RRHoF. I said this on facebook. They were NOT going to change their minds of who should be honored because Glenn died. I don't know why people just can't accept that its only going to be the remaining surviving members and Glenn will be honored with Cindy being there.

Oh boy. Let the "these other 3 former members should be honored too" fight begin. This is soo going to get old. It got old last year and its probably going to get old this year. I'm soo not looking forward to this argument for 6 months. I'm already tired about the Joe and Don should say something thing.

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I'm just tired of this subject.

[Eagles7]

Well, as long as people post respectfully and are not rude to one another or discredit others' opinions, I don't mind seeing other people's viewpoints. Opinions turn into arguments when people don't believe other people might have a differing set of opinions and feelings.

I expressed my heartfelt thoughts, and I know many people feel as I do. I also know there are people who are fine with only the last four Eagles being honored. I don't agree with them, but I don't want to argue with them about it either.

I think we can agree to disagree on topics, but hopefully everyone will still be respectful of everyone else's views and feelings and present their posts in a polite manner.

[buffyfan145]

I'm so happy they're still getting it and it's going to be so emotional watching this. Love that Cindy will be there and with them. I'm also so happy about the other nominees as I know almost all of them too. The only one I don't is the pianist Martha Argerich. I love James Taylor and if I'm remembering right didn't Glenn say he named his daughter Taylor after him? Al Pacino is like a god in my family since we're part Italian. LOL My Dad loves his movies and he's a fantastic actor. Mavis is amazing too. This will another I'll watch the whole thing as I normally only watch for the artists I'm a fan of but this time it's almost everyone getting in. Can't wait to see who ends up performing and watch on Dec 27th!!! :D

[MaryCalifornia]

I'm sure the Kennedy Center is deferring to Don Henley as far as which band members will be honored. If he wanted Felder and Bernie and Randy, they'd be acknowledged. He doesn't want them as part of it. He could very easily have included them.

[NightMistBlue]

I love James Taylor and if I'm remembering right didn't Glenn say he named his daughter Taylor after him?

That's *very* cool if it's true. Or maybe Glenn named his daughter after his friend Kate Taylor! That would be neat too.

I believe Taylor Swift is named after JT.

[MaryCalifornia]

Isn't Kate James's little sister?

[NightMistBlue]

Indeed.

[shunlvswx]

I'm so happy they're still getting it and it's going to be so emotional watching this. Love that Cindy will be there and with them. I'm also so happy about the other nominees as I know almost all of them too. The only one I don't is the pianist Martha Argerich. I love James Taylor and if I'm remembering right didn't Glenn say he named his daughter Taylor after him? Al Pacino is like a god in my family since we're part Italian. LOL My Dad loves his movies and he's a fantastic actor. Mavis is amazing too. This will another I'll watch the whole thing as I normally only watch for the artists I'm a fan of but this time it's almost everyone getting in. Can't wait to see who ends up performing and watch on Dec 27th!!! :D

We probably going to know who'll be perform probably the night of or the next day when its in the news. I'm glad we don't have to wait until December 27th. Unless you want to be surprised. LOL

I can't wait to see the White House reception. That will be posted on Youtube, but I have no idea when they post that. They probably post that the same night or the next day. Its going to be interested of what songs will be sung and who will honor the guys.

I'll be watching the whole thing too. I wonder how they pick who's first, second and so on. I wonder who will be last. Its probably going to be between James or the guys. Majority of the time, they have the very well known honoree ended the show.

I'm really shocked that James has never been honored for KCH. I always thought he already was.

What's interesting about this year's class, majority of them were guest performers for other honorees. James last year for Carole King(he probably has done it other times, but I don't know who else he paid tribute to), Mavis did the year Paul McCartney was honor and Don was 2 years ago for Billy Joel.

[buffyfan145]

I'm glad we won't have to wait as long to find out who performs either. LOL I too am surprised that James never got one, and Al for that matter too. I too can't wait to see the White House reception as well. Thanks NMB and Mary for answering. :)

[shunlvswx]

To go back to my post about majority of the honorees of this year were guest performers for other honorees. James sang Let It Be with Mavis the same year Paul McCartney was honored. I had just saw the video and I forgot.

[AlreadyGone95]

I'm so glad that the guys will be honored officially this year, and that Cindy will be there in Glenn's place. It will be bittersweet for sure.

[shunlvswx]

Here's the press release from KCH.

http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/specialevents/honors/2016HonorsPressRelease.pdf

[LuvTim]

Here's the press release from KCH.

http://www.kennedy-center.org/programs/specialevents/honors/2016HonorsPressRelease.pdf

Thanks for all the great information, shun! :-)

[Freypower]

I'm sure the Kennedy Center is deferring to Don Henley as far as which band members will be honored. If he wanted Felder and Bernie and Randy, they'd be acknowledged. He doesn't want them as part of it. He could very easily have included them.

I thought the KC made the decision as to who would be honoured & the band had no say in it.

[travlnman2]

It is a shame that Randy and Bernie are not included as they were founding members and Randy wrote the first million selling single TTL,mFeldernis a diffrent story but it is so sad that we will never see all seven of them perform together ever. Even though they are not honored they should be in the auidence or at least mentioned like Bonham with Led Zepplin

[WalshFan88]

It is a shame that Randy and Bernie are not included as they were founding members and Randy wrote the first million selling single TTL,mFeldernis a diffrent story but it is so sad that we will never see all seven of them perform together ever. Even though they are not honored they should be in the auidence or at least mentioned like Bonham with Led Zepplin

I think if Randy and Bernie are there, Felder should be too no matter what. He WAS a big part of their band. I can understand if it was a private show put on by the guys, OR, a Glenn tribute. I WAS upset with DF over getting upset about the Grammy tribute so soon after Glenn's death when they were not friends, but this is to me what the RNRHOF induction was. And I think all surviving members should be there. It's only right in my book. At least give them the option.

[Freypower]

I think if Randy and Bernie are there, Felder should be too no matter what. He WAS a big part of their band. I can understand if it was a private show put on by the guys, OR, a Glenn tribute. I WAS upset with DF over getting upset about the Grammy tribute so soon after Glenn's death when they were not friends, but this is to me what the RNRHOF induction was. And I think all surviving members should be there. It's only right in my book. At least give them the option.

The decision has been made & Meisner, Leadon & Felder are not part of it.

Please refer to shun's earlier post ([page 30 of the thread).

[WalshFan88]

This is not the RRHoF. This award is way different from the RRHoF.

How? They are honoring the band.....not just Glenn Frey. Please enlighten me on how this is different than the RNRHOF. This is an EAGLES award. My guess? Don said "no former members". It's really sh!!ty if you ask me for them not to include them. If it was honoring Glenn and Don as a songwriting team, sure. But this is again as I said above, an Eagles (band) award. Not a songwriting award. I mean for christ sakes Bernie just toured with them. If I were Bernie and I had dedicated time to these guys out of my life and then got ignored at this award, I'd be breathing fire down one Don Henley's throat. So rude. Special guest or not.

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I'm just tired of this subject.

And likewise, I'm tired of the former members being brushed under the rug on this forum now in two threads. It goes both ways, shun. I'm just not comfortable with saying that Glenn, Don, Joe, and Timothy are some how any in way higher up on the ladder in the history of the band than Felder, Randy, and Bernie. It frustrates me to no end to see that most people think of only 4 of the members when they think of the Eagles. When I think of the Eagles, I think of them as a collective. I have my favorite lineup as does everybody but IMO time served cannot override contributions or erase history or accomplishments or just simple respect for those that came before you. I'm sorry.

....

[WalshFan88]

The decision has been made & Meisner, Leadon & Felder are not part of it.

Please refer to shun's earlier post ([page 30 of the thread).

What a shame. :(

[Freypower]

It has already been said on numerous occasions, Don Henley did not decide who the honorees would be. The KCH committee did.

[WalshFan88]

It has already been said on numerous occasions, Don Henley did not decide who the honorees would be. The KCH committee did.

If that's the case then I will be writing a letter to them. Thanks for the heads up.

[sodascouts]

It's bittersweet but appropriate for them to accept this honor in person. I'm glad they're still doing it.

[MaryCalifornia]

It has already been said on numerous occasions, Don Henley did not decide who the honorees would be. The KCH committee did.

And you believe this? With all due respect FP, I seriously doubt that was the actual dynamic in play with this particular band. Perhaps that's the PR line issued by the organization, but do you think Don and Glenn would have willingly spent two full days attending events and sitting with Don Felder, with whom they're apparently still in litigation? I don't think they would have participated. I include Glenn because I'm sure he was a decision-maker when they were in discussions regarding the recognition. Alternatively, if Don and Glenn wanted the three former members to be included, I doubt the organization would have objected.

At the time of the RRHoF, I think they were still trying to please everyone and be diplomatic. These many years later, they can just do whatever the heck they want, and that's what they're doing. Just like at the Berklee school of music ceremony recognition, which is more recent in time than the RRHoF.

Edit - I'm sorry, I came across too strong in this post. What I wanted to say is, I believe that the organization made the choice, but they made the right choice. It was the only choice that was available to them. I don't think they had a second choice as an option.

[AlreadyGone95]

The KCH Facebook page posted this.

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a552/kim_dixon2/FB_IMG_1466737865084_zpsrbjmek0u.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/kim_dixon2/media/FB_IMG_1466737865084_zpsrbjmek0u.jpg.html)

[MaryCalifornia]

Very nice. I look forward to watching it. I think they will do a wonderful tribute to Glenn. And of course they will acknowledge the former members.

[zeldabjr]

Do we know who decides who will do the tribute to the Eagles?...Do the guys pick someone or do the KCH people decide..and what songs will be performed?

[Eagles7]

I'm sure the Kennedy Center is deferring to Don Henley as far as which band members will be honored. If he wanted Felder and Bernie and Randy, they'd be acknowledged. He doesn't want them as part of it. He could very easily have included them.

Well, I don't want to assume anything on Don's behalf. The statement the band issued said nothing like that.

[shunlvswx]

Do we know who decides who will do the tribute to the Eagles?...Do the guys pick someone or do the KCH people decide..and what songs will be performed?

The KCH committee picks the people who will pay tribute to them. I'm guessing the guest performers will pick the song they want to sing. It suppose to be a secret, but I remembered in an interview Don did last year and said usually it suppose to be a secret, but sometimes the honorees help them out. But it suppose to be a surprised.

In the Studio 10 interview, he kinda talks about the process. Start at 32:56.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS3yZFuF7NU

I always wonder how they pick the people. Like I said earlier. When I watch every year, I'm surprised at who they pick to pay tribute to different honorees. Some of them are their friends, some of them they played on each other records, some of them starred in a movie together. I always wonder.

[Brooke]

Do we know who decides who will do the tribute to the Eagles?...Do the guys pick someone or do the KCH people decide..and what songs will be performed?

It seems to me that the honorees are surprised by who performs, but not sure about who speaks.

I'm so glad to finally hear that they will be included this year and it's very fitting that Cindy will take Glenn's place.

As far as all former members being included, I can see both sides. I agree that the former members that were with the band during their heyday and played on all the biggest songs should have been included. I can also not see the current lineup sitting with Felder in the balcony! It's not going to change anything to argue about it. The powers that be, whoever that is, have made the decision.

[travlnman2]

How about Felder sits in the audience wearing a disguse? I think it should be Tim,Joe,Don and Cindy in the Balcony and Felder,Bernie and Randy in th audience. Randy said in a NY times interview that he was looking forward to go to the KCH when he was interviews about Glenn's passing

[UndertheWire]

I'm so glad to finally hear that they will be included this year and it's very fitting that Cindy will take Glenn's place.

As far as all former members being included, I can see both sides. I agree that the former members that were with the band during their heyday and played on all the biggest songs should have been included. I can also not see the current lineup sitting with Felder in the balcony! It's not going to change anything to argue about it. The powers that be, whoever that is, have made the decision.
I agree with all of this.

I'm also getting tired of the endless arguments about something outside of our control and influence.

[DivineDon]

Well, I don't want to assume anything on Don's behalf. The statement the band issued said nothing like that.

Exactly! Why is Don always the 'bad cop'? The committee obviously know the history like we all do - they just had to watch the doc! They knew Don and Glenn wouldn't accept the award if Felder was included because of past history - whoever was at fault. And now that Glenn is gone there was an even lesser chance of Don accepting Felder out of respect for Glenn
I agree that it's a pity the original members Bernie and Randy couldn't be involved but that would have made Felder's absence more telling. That is why they emphasised 'current' members.

I don't see the point of harking on about it. I guess Felder fans view Don as their nemesis but they just need to 'get over it'. Over here in Europe the KCH is not well known so the whole argument is getting a bit stale.

[Funk 50]

It would be a great gesture to invite Randy after the awful events he's recently had to endure. Bernie too, after spending the last few years touring with the band. Wouldn't be right though, having them sitting with the general admissions and it would put the focus on Felder's absence.

I dunno what would make an ideal final act for the band but I hope it's something involving the fans rather than the receipt of this honor.

[UndertheWire]

Where do the families and friends of those being honoured sit? It wouldn't surprise me if Bernie, JD and maybe Randy would be invited as friends, even if they're not at the front with the President.

[shunlvswx]

Where do the families and friends of those being honoured sit? It wouldn't surprise me if Bernie, JD and maybe Randy would be invited as friends, even if they're not at the front with the President.

The spouses(sometime children if the honoree is not married) sit right behind them. I'm guessing their children is not that far from where they are sitting in the balcony. If you notice in different videos that their are some people directly behind them, that's their spouses and sometimes their children. Usually its their spouses or girlfriend/boyfriend.

I think they only have room for one person from the family to sit right behind them. The other family members are probably somewhere in that particular balcony where the honorees are sitting. I don't think they'll be sitting in the audience. Now that would be wrong. I will go back and see in the different videos, but I know their spouses do sit right behind them.

I don't think friends sit up there with them. I could be wrong, but I don't think they sit up there. Its only the honorees, their family and the President/First Lady. A few politicians probably sit up there too.

The others are welcome to come if you want to go, but I doubt they'll be sitting up there with the guys. Randy said he was going last year. If Randy is well enough to go and supposed the guys, he probably go again, but I don't think friends sit up there in balcony especially if they are picked to sing or the person who is picked to say something about the guys before the little video montage.

[Glennhoney]

I think we are all missing the point here....KCH are honoring the "current" Eagles.....all 4 of them...nothing to do with the past...many other "musicians" have been honored and did not include people they might have played or worked with in the the past...I know it's different for the the Eagles, but you must remember that those 4 band members went on as the "Eagles"...they recorded an album and toured for many years....just the four of them...and I believe they deserve this honour!!

[sodascouts]

The KCH Facebook page posted this.

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a552/kim_dixon2/FB_IMG_1466737865084_zpsrbjmek0u.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/kim_dixon2/media/FB_IMG_1466737865084_zpsrbjmek0u.jpg.html)

Oh, I love that.

[Eagles7]

Well, the last 4 toured for 15 years. 2000-2015. The other groupings, which included Bernie, Randy, and Don Felder toured over the course of 14 years, 1972-1980, 1994-2000.

[NightMistBlue]

They certainly deserve the honor, no question. But the KC is honoring the impact the band's music had on the culture, their legacy. It doesn't make sense to not include all the band members. Fans arguing about it isn't going to change it, but it's unfortunate.

[buffyfan145]

You have to look back at how the Kennedy Center has honored bands in the past. They have only honored who were considered the "current" members and did the same with The Who and Led Zeppelin. As far as I can tell from the Honorees list on Wikipedia the Eagles are only the 3rd band to receive it as everyone else in the music field were solo musicians. So as of 2015 when they were first named it was only those four and the Kennedy Center is going by that. The others will be mentioned in the video detailing the band's history.

[GlennLover]

I think we are all missing the point here....KCH are honoring the "current" Eagles.....all 4 of them...nothing to do with the past...many other "musicians" have been honored and did not include people they might have played or worked with in the the past...I know it's different for the the Eagles, but you must remember that those 4 band members went on as the "Eagles"...they recorded an album and toured for many years....just the four of them...and I believe they deserve this honour!!

Hear, hear! The Kennedy Center made theirchoice, using their criteria. I think that they would have enough integrity not to be swayed by the opinions of band members and their management or the general public, ie Eagles' fans.

Their choice has been made so there is no use opining about who should be included in the honour. It won't change their selection.

[MaryCalifornia]

Well, the last 4 toured for 15 years. 2000-2015. The other groupings, which included Bernie, Randy, and Don Felder toured over the course of 14 years, 1972-1980, 1994-2000.

If we're breaking it up like this, its actually:

Glenn - 29 years
Don - 29 years
Joe - 26 years
Timothy - 24 years

Felder - 12 years
Randy - 5 years
Bernie - 4 years + special guest on HoTE

[Funk 50]

Just to add a little balance. Recording wise;

1 Don Henley
2 Glenn Frey
3 Randy Meisner
4 Bernie Leadon
5 Joe Walsh
6 Don Felder
7 Timothy B Schmit

Walsh would probably rank above Leadon if you included live albums. Schmit could rank above Felder if you give him enough extra points for having 3 lead vocals compared to Felder's 1.

I'm uncomfortable rating the individual Eagles against each other. Everything is a group effort.

As GlennLover says, you have to trust the integrity of The Kennedy Centre. It's their award and their reputation to uphold.

[NightMistBlue]

But didn't someone post a link to a recent interview with a KC spokeswoman who said the Center had no set criteria and are very accommodating to what the artist wants?

I understand that the Eagles are in a difficult position in that they don't want to include Felder but if they would open the honor to the founding members only, that would exclude Tim and Joe, which no one wants. They're in a bit of a bind. One can understand the "current members" restriction but it still seems weird considering how vital Bernie and Randy, and even Felder, were to the band's legacy.

[MaryCalifornia]

So here's a question for thought for us: If the Eagles had never reunited in 1994 and we only had up to The Long Run, would the Kennedy Center be honoring them? On one hand, I think yes, based on album sales and the ubiquity and popularity of their music. On the other hand, HFO and HoTE, especially the documentary, really kept them relevant and in the public consciousness...thoughts?

[Ive always been a dreamer]

So here's a question for thought for us: If the Eagles had never reunited in 1994 and we only had up to The Long Run, would the Kennedy Center be honoring them? On one hand, I think yes, based on album sales and the ubiquity and popularity of their music. On the other hand, HFO and HoTE, especially the documentary, really kept them relevant and in the public consciousness...thoughts?

I think you bring up an excellent point, MC. I don't know the real answer, but I've always believed the success of the resumption and the fact that band managed to stay together, tour, and release another album, as well as, several successful DVDs (and the HoTE documentary) definitely helped elevate them to the legendary band that they are now. To turn it around another way, if they had failed and/or disbanded after 1994 resumption, would they be receiving this honor? I'm kinda thinking not.

With regard to the final lineup being honored, I do believe the final decision rests with the Kennedy Center. The award is too prestigious for them to allow others to dictate who will be honored. As far as the former members attending, how do we know that Don and Glenn didn't reach out to them last year and encourage them to attend? At the time of Glenn's death, both Randy and Felder stated that they had planned on attending. So, it's hard to know what goes on behind the scenes. It reminds me of how outraged some folks were about how Randy was so mistreated by Don and Glenn after the HoTE documentary - only then to find out from Randy himself that the Eagles had paid for his recent medical bills around that time. Just saying that while we can speculate here, maybe it's wise to withhold very harsh judgments when we don't know all the facts.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

The KCH Facebook page posted this.

http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a552/kim_dixon2/FB_IMG_1466737865084_zpsrbjmek0u.jpg (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/kim_dixon2/media/FB_IMG_1466737865084_zpsrbjmek0u.jpg.html)


Oh, I love that.

ME TOO!!!

[travlnman2]

I think you bring up an excellent point, MC. I don't know the real answer, but I've always believed the success of the resumption and the fact that band managed to stay together, tour, and release another album, as well as, several successful DVDs (and the HoTE documentary) definitely helped elevate them to the legendary band that they are now. To turn it around another way, if they had failed and/or disbanded after 1994 resumption, would they be receiving this honor? I'm kinda thinking not.

With regard to the final lineup being honored, I do believe the final decision rests with the Kennedy Center. The award is too prestigious for them to allow others to dictate who will be honored. As far as the former members attending, how do we know that Don and Glenn didn't reach out to them last year and encourage them to attend? At the time of Glenn's death, both Randy and Felder stated that they had planned on attending. So, it's hard to know what goes on behind the scenes. It reminds me of how outraged some folks were about how Randy was so mistreated by Don and Glenn after the HoTE documentary - only then to find out from Randy himself that the Eagles had paid for his recent medical bills around that time. Just saying that while we can speculate here, maybe it's wise to withhold very harsh judgments when we don't know all the facts.

You mean Bernie:headscratch:

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Nope - IIRC Felder wrote on his Facebook page that he had intended on attending. I don't recall seeing any comment from Bernie about the KCH.

[travlnman2]

Nope - IIRC Felder wrote on his Facebook page that he had intended on attending. I don't recall seeing any comment from Bernie about the KCH.

WHAAAAT? :woah::stunned::faint:. I am surprised if this is true that He would be in the same theater as Don Tim Joe and Cindy.

[shunlvswx]

I knew Randy was going, but Felder. I'm shocked on that one. I missed that one about Felder was going last year.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

I'll see if I can find the post later. It may be in one of Glenn's tribute threads. But, for right now, I've been trying to play 'catch up' on the board all afternoon and I really need to get some other things done around the house.

[Funk 50]

I'm sure Felder can afford a ticket to the event. If it's a televised event, he'd be looking for a shout out on camera.

As to the point about the Hell never freezing over. I think Abba, who's career was similarly kept alive by radio after they split, are a band that never reunited. Well not until a few weeks ago when they performed album track The Way Old Friends Do at a low key celebration.

I think, although the Eagles remained a very successful live act til the end, they never topped the success of the Hell Freezes Over tour when many major touring acts postponed their tours as concert fans spent all their money on Eagles tickets.

[Brooke]

So here's a question for thought for us: If the Eagles had never reunited in 1994 and we only had up to The Long Run, would the Kennedy Center be honoring them? On one hand, I think yes, based on album sales and the ubiquity and popularity of their music. On the other hand, HFO and HoTE, especially the documentary, really kept them relevant and in the public consciousness...thoughts?

All that and the the touring. Their shows were hugely popular and many sold out.

And remember, as for who will be in the audience, tickets to this event are very expensive. I don't know how much, but not just anyone can afford it.

ETA: Of course any of the former members can afford it!

[NightMistBlue]

One price I saw was $5,000 per ticket

[shunlvswx]

The only way you can go to the gala is either you have the money or win the free tickets they are giving away.

That's why you see so many entertainers and politicians there. Most of the entertainers and stars are not there to pay tribute to the honorees. Its like the KCH gala is the party of the year for some and its always a pack house every year. When I watch every year, it looks like their are no empty seats.

[Eagles7]

I think they would still be honored if they didn't ever reunite. I mean they sold more records than anyone and their a Greatest Hits record sold more records than any other in the 20th century. Classic rock would probably have still kept them playing, and since Glenn, Don, Joe, and Felder have spent time on the road singing Eagles tunes, I think they still would be relevant.

[NightMistBlue]

The only way you can go to the gala is either you have the money or win the free tickets they are giving away.

Shun, do you recall who is giving tickets away? I don't see anything about it on the KC web site or FB page.

[shunlvswx]

It was KCH. They haven't post about the contest yet. I think its in the press release about the winner will get two free tickets to the gala. They did the same thing last year.

Look out on the KCH facebook very soon. I don't know when they will post it.

[NightMistBlue]

Thank you. I shall keep an eye on it.

[sodascouts]

I will, too. What an amazing event that would be to attend, as bittersweet as it is.

[shunlvswx]

I want to go too. Too bad you have to pay your way there.

[smisercola]

Are you all aware of the fact that Meisner, Felder and Leadon are not part of the honorees? I think this stinks, afterall, they were the original EAGLES and are part of the Eagles' sound everyone loves. Timothy and Joe were only'replacements' after all the albums were recorded (except for Long Run).

Please sign this petition to get them on the ticket.

https://www.change.org/p/john-f-kennedy-center-for-performing-arts-the-eagles-allow-former-eagles-members-don-felder-bernie-leadon-and-randy-meisner-to-be-honored-alongside-the-current-members-of-the-band-at-kennedy-center-honors

[Freypower]

Are you all aware of the fact that Meisner, Felder and Leadon are not part of the honorees? I think this stinks, afterall, they were the original EAGLES and are part of the Eagles' sound everyone loves. Timothy and Joe were only'replacements' after all the albums were recorded (except for Long Run).

Please sign this petition to get them on the ticket.

https://www.change.org/p/john-f-kennedy-center-for-performing-arts-the-eagles-allow-former-eagles-members-don-felder-bernie-leadon-and-randy-meisner-to-be-honored-alongside-the-current-members-of-the-band-at-kennedy-center-honors


Welcome.

Felder was not an original member of the Eagles. He was a 'late addition' for On The Border. Joe played on Hotel California. These 'replacements' as you call them were with the band until the very end.

I think it's highly unlikely the honorees will be changed.

[zeldabjr]

Are you all aware of the fact that Meisner, Felder and Leadon are not part of the honorees? I think this stinks, afterall, they were the original EAGLES and are part of the Eagles' sound everyone loves. Timothy and Joe were only'replacements' after all the albums were recorded (except for Long Run).

Please sign this petition to get them on the ticket.

https://www.change.org/p/john-f-kennedy-center-for-performing-arts-the-eagles-allow-former-eagles-members-don-felder-bernie-leadon-and-randy-meisner-to-be-honored-alongside-the-current-members-of-the-band-at-kennedy-center-honors


I think calling Joe and Timothy 'only replacements' is insulting to them...and they are a big part of the Eagles sound I love!!!

[UndertheWire]

Welcome. There's lot's to enjoy on this board and it's usually friendly. However, it's better to come here as someone wanting to learn, rather than instruct.

We're on page 36 of a thread about the Kennedy Centre Honors, which is a good indication of the level of interest on this board. You should assume that most of us are aware of who is being honoured and the existence of that petition (and if it doubt, just search the thread). If you look back through the thread, you'll see a range of opinions as well as whatever facts people can find.

[Funk 50]

Giving the honour to 4 Eagles is a snub to the other 3, unless the explanation is feasible. I think it's a snub, probably unintentional but still a snub.

They could honour the 6 live Eagles if they didn't honour posthumously. They could honour 6, if the other Eagles insisted that Felder's damaging actions exclude him from the honour but they wouldn't want Felder's exclusion to be the Kennedy Centre Honor story and overshadow the honour.

I think the choice of Glenn, Don, Joe and Tim is a compromise.
When KCH offered Glenn and Don the honour to the Eagles, I'm sure they said yes but not with Felder. If KCH insisted on all the members receiving the honour there would be empty seats where, at least Glenn and Don would have sat. Wouldn't that look bad on TV.

Joe has been performing Take It To The Limit, as a tribute to Glenn,on his current tour. The song ends with a photograph of Glenn, Joe, Don, Tim and Irving on the screen behind him. Maybe in future the Eagles billing should level out but for the time being, I think Joe's version is correct.

I don't wish to sign the petition. I don't think all the band are worthy of the honour but it's not my decision, even if I was in a position to make an educated judgement.

[travlnman2]

If the bands decides who was honnored Bonzo would have been honored with Zepplin and John Entwistle and Keith Moon with the Who

[Funk 50]

I think you have to be there to receive the honour, travlnman2. Glenn's case is slightly different in that he was due to receive the honour last year so out of a choice of, permanent postponement and a relative receiving it on his behalf, I think they've kindly taken the second option.

[DivineDon]

Maybe I'm naive but I just don't 'get it' that people expect Felder to be included in the awards. For me it's simple, if a company fired an employee for whatever reason, the employee subsequently sued them, gave bad publicity to the company and then that company went on to win an award would they invite the sacked employee to the ceremony no matter what his contribution had been???? Er, no! The Eagles (Don and Glenn and Irving of course) ran the band as a business. Felder was sacked - end of. Why do people still think he should be included? Maybe Randy and Bernie have a case in that they founded the 'business' but they left of their own accord so again why should they benefit from the award? Having said that, I'm sure Don and Glenn would've liked to include Bernie and Randy but couldn't do so because of the Felder situation. But really, Felder is not going - so enough!

[Philh]

Just a reminder this will take place on December 4th and it will be broadcast on December 27th on CBS.

[travlnman2]

Well Funk 50 when I saw Joe in 2015 he did have a photo of him and Felder during the Life's Been Good photo montage.

Divine Don the reason people expect Felder to show up even though he got the boot is because like everyone else he contributed greatly to the sound of the Eagles and was invited to join the day after doing a three hour recording session now that says something and considering the song Hotel California would not exist if it wasn't for him so that's the reason why he should be included with everyone else. But this is the problem with bands these days so many of them have many different lineups who contribute so much to the music it will always be controversial. I do feel bad for him Randy and Bernie though. But I am happy they are being honored in the first place. I think if things were handled differently and if Felder was still fired but he never sued the band"Which no one but the actual case docs know the truth about and if it was correct and ethical to do. But until the documents are revealed and considered they settled says that it may have been justified but who knows?"
back to my point if things were handled better and the Lawsuit was never filed he may have been invited to the HOTE tour. Maybe it's also why Randy turned it down because people would have been wondering why Felder wasn't there when Bernie and Randy were to even though they did not sue the band.

[DJ]

Ok, here is my 2 cents worth. I believe they all should be honored.
Especially the original 4. Also, Felder because he came in very early and was a huge part, until he wasn't. Joe Walsh because, well he is Joe Walsh and has been an Eagle from nearly the start until the finish. Sure Randy and Bernie quit, but they created with Glenn and Don what put the Eagles on the map, so to speak. If you really get down to it, only Don and Glenn are the remaining originals and although they certainly bore the Eagles, they were not the whole sound. I say ALL should be honored for the fabulous talent and music over the years that made up the Eagles.
Ok I'm done................:razz:

[Witchy Woman]

I don't think former Eagles should be honored at all. Bernie and Randy quit, and Felder was fired. Yes, they did make significant contributions to the group. But, at the time of the honor, they were not part of the group. Glenn is still a member, even if he is no longer with us, so it is appropriate to honor him as well. I understand that they were all honored at the R&RHOF, but that is a different organization, with different rules. Obviously, due to the fact that they have paid Randy's medical bills and included Bernie in the HOTE tour their relationships aren't as contentious as the one with Felder. Having said that, I would not have a problem with the other guys being honored as well. But I'm not bent out of shape that they're not, either.

[UndertheWire]

I still hold the same opinion that I did a year ago. It would have been nice if all had been included but any negotiations to extent the honour to Bernie, Randy and Felder should have been discreet and behind-the-scenes so that everyone could save face.

Once that petition was started, nasty comments were added and it all gained publicity, it became an embarassment. After Felder showed his support for the petition, it could no longer be dismissed as just some crazy fans - it became a former member lobbying to be included.

[travlnman2]

Agree. Even though I love all eras I prefer the 70s era to LROOE. Joining this board changed my opinion of Glenn who is not like Felder described him as. But to me it just feels weird watching Farwell 1. I love Steuart's playing though and wish he was a Full member. Rock and Roll Bands are a complex organism. Wish Long Road was on Spotify.

[Delilah]

There is an update regarding the KCH petition from the petition's author, Brandon Butler. He included this response from the President of KCH, Deborah Rutter:

"The Kennedy Center consulted with the Eagles and through that discussion, it was determined that the four band members who "carried the torch" --Don Henley, the late Glenn Frey, Timothy B. Schmit, and Joe Walsh--will be awarded the Honors. We appreciate that there will be some debate about who constitutes the Eagles. This determination does not discredit the contributions of former band members."

While I find this disappointing, it is not surprising. I am gratified that the KCH powers that be actually took notice of the petition and gave it consideration. That does not happen often and there were naysayers who didn't think it would happen.

For more information regarding the update, click on "The Verdict Is In" link on this address: https://www.change.org/p/john-f-kennedy-center-for-performing-arts-the-eagles-allow-former-eagles-members-don-felder-bernie-leadon-and-randy-meisner-to-be-honored-alongside-the-current-members-of-the-band-at-kennedy-center-honors?tk=UM36MH9T1a2Etk9La3640BCshR08GX1RcAQ1foKM WhA&utm_source=petition_update&utm_medium=email

[travlnman2]

Sad.

I hope they get a VIP treatment and at least invited.

Randy said he was going when he was interviewd last

[WalshFan88]

"The Kennedy Center consulted with the Eagles and through that discussion, it was determined that the four band members who "carried the torch" --Don Henley, the late Glenn Frey, Timothy B. Schmit, and Joe Walsh--will be awarded the Honors. We appreciate that there will be some debate about who constitutes the Eagles. This determination does not discredit the contributions of former band members."

That really sucks. I had a feeling it'd come down to the band, Don mostly. I hope Felder shows up in the audience to let them know he won't be easily forgotten and a little intimidation is a good thing in this case.

I'm not surprised but still disappointing.

[UndertheWire]

I'd have liked them all to be honoured but I'm not surprised. It seems to me that fans who are disappointed have a choice:
a) they can be angry or upset, rail against Henley, threaten to boycott etc
or
b) they can accept the decision gracefully in the knowledge that they know better than the KCA committee and then watch and enjoy the award show whilst raising a toast to everyone who contributed to the band's success.

True fans recognise the importance of Bernie, Randy and Don but they are also not dismissive of the talents and achievements of the Glenn, Don, Joe and Timothy.

[FreyFollower]

My two cents:
Now that the decision has been made, it's a done deal. Whether you agree or not, at this point it doesn't matter. What Don F. or any dissenters must realize is the presence of a grieving widow who does not deserve any drama. What some consider "showing them" or intimidation would be voicing such opinions at a very inappropriate time. I pray no one causes a scene on the one occasion that would bring Glenn's family a little joy. Sometimes we must think of the innocent people even if we feel justified in our actions.
Maybe there can be another way for the others to be recognized--work toward that. Class, people, class.

[MaryCalifornia]

This confirms my earlier thoughts about Don and Glenn (and Irving) calling the shots on the issue. The entire world could have signed that petition and no way is Henley sitting in that balcony on that night with the former members. If the KCH had insisted on all 7, I don't think the Eagles would have participated. It's Don's world and we're all living in it (as it should be.)

[L101]

Once again, people are assuming that the final decision on this was dictated by Don Henley !! There are three other band members, Azoff, and the KCH board members included in this decision so I really wish that Felder fans would stop placing the blame for this decision entirely on Don Henley.

The decision has been made by ALL of the above mentioned, so maybe they could just accept it, whether they agree with it or not and move on.

The KCH ceremony is going to be hard enough for all involved without having to deal with "intimidation" from other band members who should know better.
And no, WF88, a "little intimidation" is never a good thing!

[Freypower]

Once again, people are assuming that the final decision on this was dictated by Don Henley !! There are three other band members, Azoff, and the KCH board members included in this decision so I really wish that Felder fans would stop placing the blame for this decision entirely on Don Henley.

The decision has been made by ALL of the above mentioned, so maybe they could just accept it, whether they agree with it or not and move on.

The KCH ceremony is going to be hard enough for all involved without having to deal with "intimidation" from other band members who should know better.
And no, WF88, a "little intimidation" is never a good thing!

Agreed.

'Intimidation'? As FF also said, in the presence of a grieving widow? Seriously.

In any case the other three HAVE been recognised. That is what the Hall of Fame is for. Like it or not this award honours the last lineup.

I'm already starting to see the endless vitriol which was directed at Glenn now being redirected at Don Henley. If people don't like Don Henley or the Eagles they can ignore them. It isn't that hard.

[sodascouts]

While I can understand the disappointment, this is supposed to be a celebration. Felder or anyone else deliberately trying to make an ugly scene wouldn't do anyone any good - quite the opposite.

[travlnman2]

Randy already said he was going when Glenn passed.

"I was looking forward to this one. I was going to go to the Kennedy awards and was thinking, 'Man this could be the last time we'll all be together.' Now that really hurts my heart that we couldn't be together one more time," Meisner told The News.

When he says all does he mean the seven of them?

[WS82Classics]

Randy already said he was going when Glenn passed.

"I was looking forward to this one. I was going to go to the Kennedy awards and was thinking, 'Man this could be the last time we'll all be together.' Now that really hurts my heart that we couldn't be together one more time," Meisner told The News.

When he says all does he mean the seven of them?

The impression I was under earlier this year was that it would be a ceremony honouring the final 4 members, and that maybe 2 or 3 of the others would be in attendance.

[Ive always been a dreamer]

Honesty, I wish that all seven members were being honored as well. But, having said that, I'm not surprised and I certainly understand both sides of the argument. I also have to agree with most that it would be very inappropriate for anyone there to act disrespectfully at the event. I do hope that Bernie, Randy, and Felder will attend the ceremony.

Now, I have to say that I have a hunch that Bernie and Randy would have likely been included had it not been for the band's estranged relationship with Felder. I am, obviously, just stating my opinion and have no idea whether it has any merit or not. But, it does make me wonder since Bernie and Randy were inducted to the R&R HOF. It would be very awkward to include Bernie and Randy, but exclude Felder so I think it was a right call to make it an all or nothing choice with regard to the former members.

[UndertheWire]

My hunch is that Don Henley and Irving Azoff are influenced by what they believe Glenn would have wanted and it probably reinforces their own feelings on the matter.

[DivineDon]

My hunch is that Don Henley and Irving Azoff are influenced by what they believe Glenn would have wanted and it probably reinforces their own feelings on the matter.


I agree UTW, Glenn would not have wanted Felder and the guys are honouring his wishes. It's unfortunate that Randy and Bernie have to lose out because of Felder but the current members were the ones originally honoured. Randy and Bernie left of their own accord - Felder was fired. I just hope Don H., Timothy and Joe and Glenn's family don't have to deal with Felder's 'poor me' antics again like the Grammies tribute.

And WalshFan88 how can you do a 'little intimidation'? - it's intimidation full stop and would be an insult to Glenn's family.

[shunlvswx]

What I'm about to post is only my opinion.

All 7 should be included, but that's not my call and I respected KCH's decision last year when they first decided on that.

I have to agree. The reason the other two probably weren't included was probably because of the bad blood Don and Glenn had with Don Felder. If they had only invited Bernie and Randy, than the Felder's fans would be pissed because Don wasn't invited. So its a win-lose situation. I don't think Don or Glenn would had wanted Don Felder there that night and I think its bad that the other two are suffering because of that. Again. Its not my call

I agree. This is not the time to cause a scene when its time for KCH. Cindy has been through a lot. Losing the man she's been with for 26 years and its already going to be an emotional night for her, the kids and the guys.

I think Bernie, Randy and maybe Don Felder might be there in December, but part of the audience. But as for being honored. That's going to happen when they do the video montage of the band's history. That's the only time they will feature the other three. Believe me. They're not going to skip the making of the band, Hotel California, HFO(I would be very shocked if this era wasn't included since this was when they got back together) maybe show HOTE and I know they are going to say something about losing Glenn this year.

[buffyfan145]

I agree it would've been nice if it was all 7 but the KCH has always honored what they deemed as the current/most recent lineup of whatever band is chosen. I hope if they can they do go, but it's a really hard event to get into since most of audience will be people in the US government, the press, and current celebs. I'm still looking forward to watching it and like Shun said they'll honor everyone in the video about the band and the other musicians that will perform their songs.

[DJ]

I too think all 7 should be included. The original 4 wrote and performed most of the beloved songs we know. The chart toppers,etc. It is sad that Bernie and Randy cannot be included since they were two of the 4 founding members. Just my opinion.

[WalshFan88]

And WalshFan88 how can you do a 'little intimidation'? - it's intimidation full stop and would be an insult to Glenn's family.

I firmly believe you can do more or less of almost anything in life.

That said, looking back at it with Glenn's family being present, it is not the right time or place to make a statement. And for that, I do retract my comment about that and I do realize that it would not be a good thing in this case.

However, try to picture yourself as a diehard fan of any of the three former members. It's too easy to say "well, I'd get over it and move on", until you are in our shoes. It's easy to say how you might react but until you are in our shoes, it comes off as cold and calloused and isn't accurate to how we feel and it's easy for a fan of the other guys to say how they would get over it when they themselves are not diehard fans of any of the former members, especially Felder.

[Glennhoney]

I know that most won't agree with me....but I am perfectly comfortable with "the 4 that soldiered on" should be the only ones honored...I believe they made the right decision....

[WS82Classics]

My personal belief is that the fairest way to do this would be to honour the HOTE lineup of the band--Frey, Henley, Leadon, Schmit, and Walsh.

Meisner is clearly unwell at this time and Felder has totally poisoned the well with the entirety of the Eagles camp

[Freypower]

I agree it would've been nice if it was all 7 but the KCH has always honored what they deemed as the current/most recent lineup of whatever band is chosen. I hope if they can they do go, but it's a really hard event to get into since most of audience will be people in the US government, the press, and current celebs. I'm still looking forward to watching it and like Shun said they'll honor everyone in the video about the band and the other musicians that will perform their songs.

I wish people could accept that when lineup changes occur they have to be considered when an award like this is made. As I said the former members are HOF inductees & in my view that is sufficient recognition.

The thought of Felder being there in proximity to Cindy Frey, quite frankly, is not a scenario I wish to contemplate.

[GlennLover]

I know that most won't agree with me....but I am perfectly comfortable with "the 4 that soldiered on" should be the only ones honored...I believe they made the right decision....

I agree with you, GH and with your comments as well, FP.

[MaryCalifornia]

I know that most won't agree with me....but I am perfectly comfortable with "the 4 that soldiered on" should be the only ones honored...I believe they made the right decision....

Agree 100% GH. I think this is appropriate. My previous comment about Henley making the call may have been misconstrued to mean I think the 3 former members should be honored - I don't. I think Tim and Joe are along for the ride and are like, "Whatever..." and that Irving works for Don H. and therefore I think Don makes the decisions, not as a despot, but with the others' input. And I think he speaks for Glenn.

There is no scenario under which I think Felder would be included.

If this award were being presented in 1981, I think Randy would be included.

Could go either way with Bernie, but would be weird to have him but not the other two.

None of those three will attend as guests.

[FWIW]

None of those three will attend as guests.

Where did you read/hear this?

[MaryCalifornia]

It's my opinion, based on living in society. I don't need to read it anywhere. If people think that former members of a band being recognized by the Kennedy Center with the president in attendance, who are not being recognized, will be approved as anyone's guests, when the band didn't want them recognized, they are certainly free to voice their prediction. That was a convoluted sentence but I think you know what I mean.

I can also break it down:

Felder - don't feel I need to explain
Meisner - based on the details of his physical and mental health that came out in the court documents last year and in the wake of his wife's death, I predict this will not be his first public appearance.
Leadon - he's cool and like Tim and Joe is like, "Whatever..."

I could be 100% wrong and will happily admit it if any of do them attend.

[secret squirrel]

True fans recognise the importance of Bernie, Randy and Don but they are also not dismissive of the talents and achievements of Glenn, Don, Joe and Timothy.

Ditto. Something on UCR sort of restates the decision after petition denied.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/eagles-kennedy-center-honors-petition/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_4572276

I'm out of touch as I would definitely have signed this petition. Now more than ever should be a time to come together and forget differences and remember the music and the role each of them played in making the band unforgettable.

SS
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http://sshh-sshh.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/eagles-glenn-frey-beyond-cool-band-for.html

[Delilah]

I'm out of touch as I would definitely have signed this petition. Now more than ever should be a time to come together and forget differences and remember the music and the role each of them played in making the band unforgettable.

SS
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http://sshh-sshh.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/eagles-glenn-frey-beyond-cool-band-for.html

AMEN!!

[Freypower]

Ditto. Something on UCR sort of restates the decision after petition denied.
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/eagles-kennedy-center-honors-petition/?utm_source=sailthru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=newsletter_4572276

I'm out of touch as I would definitely have signed this petition. Now more than ever should be a time to come together and forget differences and remember the music and the role each of them played in making the band unforgettable.

SS
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http://sshh-sshh.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/eagles-glenn-frey-beyond-cool-band-for.html


No, not now more than ever. This is not an award for music; it is an award for cultural significance over the decades since the 70s. Like it or not, it was the last four members of the band who remained the most active & had the most impact for those decades. If you consider that Felder, who drove the band to fire him, sued them, wrote a nasty book & has done nothing but snipe at them ever since, including about the tribute to Glenn & now about this, deserves such a prestigious award, I'm afraid I must disagree. There are wider issues than 'he co-wrote Hotel California'. Henley doesn't want him there & I would imagine that for the Frey family the sight of him would be unbearable.

'Forgiveness'? Not right now.

[DJ]

My personal belief is that the fairest way to do this would be to honour the HOTE lineup of the band--Frey, Henley, Leadon, Schmit, and Walsh.

Meisner is clearly unwell at this time and Felder has totally poisoned the well with the entirety of the Eagles camp


I half disagree. Even though Randy isn't well doesn't mean he shouldn't be honored. He was there in the trenches when all the great music was being produced. Even if he didn't attend he could be honored.

On Felder I have mixed feelings, although Don was a intricate part of HC, he has caused a lot of unrest with the band, So my vote for him is still out.

Truly all 7 were Eagles.

[VillageGirl]

[QUOTE=DJ;342843
Truly all 7 were Eagles.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree. Plus, none of us can say for sure that Randy is too unwell to accept the honour, as none of us know how he is doing and should not assume.

I find it strange that Randy had said in January right after Glenn passed away how much he was looking forward to seeing him and the other guys at the KCH awards in December. Was his invitation withdrawn? IMHO, the whole thing is just bizarre.

[Freypower]

I completely agree. Plus, none of us can say for sure that Randy is too unwell to accept the honour, as none of us know how he is doing and should not assume.

I find it strange that Randy had said in January right after Glenn passed away how much he was looking forward to seeing him and the other guys at the KCH awards in December. Was his invitation withdrawn? IMHO, the whole thing is just bizarre.


He may have planned to attend but he wasn't & isn't one of the honorees. It was made clear at the very start of this thread that the honorees are Frey, Henley, Walsh & Schmit. I have no idea about any 'invitation' to him.

[VillageGirl]

Why is it that when I receive a reply from you FP or read your reply to others, I get this image that I am right back in Catholic school with Sister Margaret chastising one of us girls?

You can come across as pretty harsh sometimes. I apologize for not reading the beginning of the thread, but last time I checked, this was a rock band forum, not a place to display our dissertations.

I will try to be more diligent in my research next time, but can you please lighten up a bit?

[UndertheWire]

It certainly read as if Randy expected to be at the Kennedy Center. It may have been a misunderstanding or he may have been invited to attend even if he wasn't explicitly honoured. Maybe it will be all explained to us at a later date but I'm not holding my breath.

[secret squirrel]

No, not now more than ever. This is not an award for music; it is an award for cultural significance over the decades since the 70s.

I would imagine that for the Frey family the sight of him would be unbearable.

'Forgiveness'? Not right now.

But we're all fans of the band. Whether we agree or not, Hotel California is probably their best-known track. My brother, who routinely trashes the band, heard it in a shopping centre the other day and finally admitted it was a terrific song.

I don't know whether the antagonism between Glenn and Don F. extended to their families or not but I do think an honour for the music should include the whole band. I wonder whether other bands have the same leeway to decide which of their members should be denied. And it seems a bit like a kick in the teeth to leave Bernie out after the HOTE tour.

I understand that feelings run high on this subject. And if Don H. really believes that it would upset Glenn's family, that's a good reason.

Still, any time is a good time for forgiveness. Not that I always practise what I preach. I'd be a better person if I did.


SS
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http://sshh-sshh.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/kick-em-when-theyre-up-backlash.html

[WS82Classics]

Regarding my comments on Meisner's health, while I do not know how he is doing physically, those few things I've seen in the news that come directly from the horse's mouth indicate that psychologically he is very frazzled over what happened to his wife. I don't imagine that this would be the right time for him, and there's probably never a good time for Felder. If he is honoured in some way at a later date, it might work better.

As I have said before, only Leadon, who participated in the HOTE tour, should have been considered of the 'former' Eagles for the KCH honour.


Why is it that when I receive a reply from you FP or read your reply to others, I get this image that I am right back in Catholic school with Sister Margaret chastising one of us girls?

You can come across as pretty harsh sometimes. I apologize for not reading the beginning of the thread, but last time I checked, this was a rock band forum, not a place to display our dissertations.

I will try to be more diligent in my research next time, but can you please lighten up a bit?

I have always noticed her, ah, interesting, if sometimes laboured manner of communication, but since I myself always take great pains to make things clear, I can't really complain about someone else's way of expression. Those few times I've been on the receiving end, I usually realized the fallacy of something or another I had said. That said, I don't see anything wrong with what you were saying.

This much is true, each and every one of us could always lighten up a bit.

[Eagles7]

Randy already said he was going when Glenn passed.

"I was looking forward to this one. I was going to go to the Kennedy awards and was thinking, 'Man this could be the last time we'll all be together.' Now that really hurts my heart that we couldn't be together one more time," Meisner told The News.

When he says all does he mean the seven of them?

Was this what Randy said last year or is this a new recent quote?

[UndertheWire]

Was this what Randy said last year or is this a new recent quote?
That was in January to a newspaper just after Glenn died.

[Eagles7]

Well, I'm very saddened by the decision of the band. (Since others are speaking predominately on opinion instead of factual evidence) I will say that means Don and Irving , and Joe and Timothy went along).

I appreciate that the KC took the petition into consideration and presented that information to the Eagles and gave them the opportunity to responded. It is unfortunate IMO, that "the band" made a choice of division, instead of unity and reconciliation.

I feel like being honored would mean a great deal to Randy, Bernie, and Felder, and that this "kick in the teeth" has got to be hurtful to them, but somewhat expected, based on the past.

As someone stated, this is an award of cultural influence, and based on record sales, this band had the most cultural impact of any other band in the 20th century. When you think of the elements of this band, you can't considered the "cultural influence" of this band without considering Randy, Bernie, and Don F! What is Classic Radio playing, what do fans want to hear in concert? the Long Road out of Eden? No, TITTL, HC, OOTN, BOML, WW, PEF, TIE, NKIT, etc. Their love and appeal and endurance over the decades is heavily based on the songs that were created during Bernie's, Randy's and Don Felder's tenure.

It is a dark spot on the legacy of this amazing band that there are still some age old grudges against band members that they lived with, played with, and created musical magic with. I hate it if Glen went to his grave with a bitterness in his heart. His death makes it painfully evident how short life can be, how unexpected and swiftly it can end, and that we don't get to press a do-over button. The legacy of this band is their music that touched all our souls, but what a great legacy to stand together in unity and put decade old issues behind us and for one moment, celebrate the good times this band shared, the good feelings they had about each other, and the amazing music they created--all of them created!

This award is greater than any member's mistakes-- and they all made them--it's not about anger, resentment, self-centeredness or greed. It isn't about only Glenn and Don. It's not about Irving. It's not about Cindy Frey (hopefully, she and her children do not live in hard-heartedness, but live in positivity and gratitude) or is it about the families of the other members. The KC honor is about seven talented men who created something long lasting, deep feeling, and life changing. It's about, as Glenn put it, "a band for all time. "
Eagles =7

[Brooke]

No, not now more than ever. This is not an award for music; it is an award for cultural significance over the decades since the 70s. Like it or not, it was the last four members of the band who remained the most active & had the most impact for those decades. If you consider that Felder, who drove the band to fire him, sued them, wrote a nasty book & has done nothing but snipe at them ever since, including about the tribute to Glenn & now about this, deserves such a prestigious award, I'm afraid I must disagree. There are wider issues than 'he co-wrote Hotel California'. Henley doesn't want him there & I would imagine that for the Frey family the sight of him would be unbearable.

'Forgiveness'? Not right now.

I completely agree with your statements here, Fp. Forgiveness? Never!

As far as Randy and Bernie, and especially Bernie, I wish they could have been included, but I imagine that Don and Glenn felt they shouldn't be if they couldn't include Felder.

[travlnman2]

I completely agree with your statements here, Fp. Forgiveness? Never!

As far as Randy and Bernie, and especially Bernie, I wish they could have been included, but I imagine that Don and Glenn felt they shouldn't be if they couldn't include Felder.

Every Eagle deserves this award. Without Don F no Hotel California.

Saying a member doesn't deserve this award is utterly harsh.

Freypower I agree with Villiage Girl. Can you please not be so harsh on other people's opinions.

[Brooke]

Every Eagle deserves this award. Without Don F no Hotel California.

Saying a member doesn't deserve this award is utterly harsh.

Freypower I agree with Villiage Girl. Can you please not be so harsh on other people's opinions.

travlnman, if Felder had done to you what he did to Don and Glenn, would you sit next to him? Anywhere? I don't blame them one bit for leaving him out.

[travlnman2]

travlnman, if Felder had done to you what he did to Don and Glenn, would you sit next to him? Anywhere? I don't blame them one bit for leaving him out.

If Axl Rose,Slash,Duff Mckagan and Steven Adler can share the same stage without killing eachother then I think Henley should get down to the heart of the matter and sit next to Felder for one night. Every Eagle put in their blood sweet and tears into bringing the band to what it is. They all should be rewarded. The fact is "None of the Eagles could have made it without the other guys."

[Eagles7]

No, not now more than ever. This is not an award for music; it is an award for cultural significance over the decades since the 70s. Like it or not, it was the last four members of the band who remained the most active & had the most impact for those decades. If you consider that Felder, who drove the band to fire him, sued them, wrote a nasty book & has done nothing but snipe at them ever since, including about the tribute to Glenn & now about this, deserves such a prestigious award, I'm afraid I must disagree. There are wider issues than 'he co-wrote Hotel California'. Henley doesn't want him there & I would imagine that for the Frey family the sight of him would be unbearable.

'Forgiveness'? Not right now.

This is a matter of one person's opinion, stated as if it were fact.

It's unclear how Felder drove the band to fire him. I suppose if you were partners in a company and everybody is supposed to get equal pay and then your check is $500 one week and the other partners are making $$1,000 each week and they won't let you in on the finances and you complain and they fire you...then that's your fault.

The perspective of the reader determines how his book is critiqued. Many have found it to be a pretty accurate picture of life in the Eagles. Some within the inner circle have corroborated Felder's story and Don and Glenn have done nothing to dispute anything in his book. It's an autobiography of his life before and during and after the Eagles. It's by no means dirty, and I'm sure he and any of the others could write dirty based on their road experiences. Any comments that he makes now are not snipes, but are usually comments about Glen or Don.'s talents. It's no secret that he would like to put a closure on these bad feelings, meet & shake hands and he is ready to do so, (he was screwed and treated badly too And appears to have forgiven ) but the others are not open to that. I get the idea he would love to play with Joe, he has said so on Twitter, but he would love to move past the bad feelings with all.

Don Henley has sued numerous people in past years including David Geffen twice. When Irving though he had a reunion in the works and everybody showed up to practice except Glen, Glen threatened to sue the other Eagles if they went on to perform as a reunion group without him. Don has said that Glen would say, we'll meet every year in January and decide if we want to tour, then Don said that meant, Glen would decide if he wanted to tour. They all could be difficult.

I don't understand the venom on here by a few supposed Eagle fans against Don Felder. I thought this was an Eagles sight, not an Eagles, except we hate Don Felder, site. Either you like the Eagles or you don't. Sure, you can have your favorites, but they all contributed to the Eagle music we love. Who knows what this band would have been if any of them had not been a part of it for however long...and Felder was in the band from 1974 till 2001.

When we crap repeatedly on certain member(s) of the band, when you take a stance like you know all the facts and were actually traveling with the band to see it all, it doesn't seem right. Probably a lot of people on here have a viewpoint or take a side on the Felder dismissal/lawsuit/book, but to continue to bash him this many years later seems like too much. It also feels uncomfortable to those who are Felder supporters.

I just think there is so much that is great about all these guys. It would be fun if we all on here chose to celebrate that. I feel the same way about all the Eagles...wish they would all be mature enough to set aside one night just to celebrate what was great about ALL the guys and their music!

[VillageGirl]

I think Eagles 7 recent post was perfect. Thanks for the backup guys, LOL.

Travlynman does make a good point about GnR's managing to suck it up a night for a ceremony.

I look at the pictures of the original 4 out in the desert by the Joshua tree, high on Peyote, so young, and having no clue what awesome music they were going to create, which would be the basis for what we know as the Eagles.

Now only Don Henley and Cindy Frey on behalf of her late husband(out of that group) get to be honoured?

I feel that now, if any, would be the perfect time for forgiveness. But that is just my opinion.

Israel and Palestine will come to an agreement before any of us Eagles fans do
:brickwall:

I actually don't mind having disagreements/ debating things if it can be done in a courteous manner. It's when it becomes condescending and rude that it's unacceptable. I'm 44. I left the bully in the sandbox 39 years ago!

[VillageGirl]

Eagles7, I was referring in my previous post to your post from 10:49AM, but your most recent post is fantastic. It has been what's on my mind, but I never had the guts to say it.
So, thank you.

[travlnman2]

Axl Rose once said Not In This Liftime. When referring to a reunion with Slash.

Well that's the name of the new tour.

We are here for one thing only. To celebrate the 7 musicians that were the Eagles.

[VillageGirl]

Beautifully worded.

[Eagles7]

Thank you VillageGirl for being so kind to say that. I am happy if I was able to put together some words that resonate with others.

[UndertheWire]

What I hate about this is that it's being used as an excuse to go over the same old ground rather than looking forward to what is an honour for the BAND regardless of who actually gets to sit on the balcony.

There are already several long threads where disputes between Henley-Frey and Felder are discussed with good reasons being given on all sides. But none of us were there. It's not our fight and there's no point getting upset about it.

[chaim]

What on earth is a "supposed Eagles fan"? Anyone who isn't a fan of how Don Felder has handled things since being fired from the Eagles?

[buffyfan145]

This has always been such a sad situation and that's one reason I don't like talking about it. Again I do wish it could've been all 7 and I hate that Bernie and Randy have to be left out because of the Felder situation.

However, it does go back to the KCH. If you look back at the only other 2 bands they've honored out of The Who it was only Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend (as the others had passed away by that time) and with Led Zeppelin it was Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, and John Paul Jones. That's why I said it's really the KCH who decided it. They did ask the Eagles because they got the petition but this is the first time there ever was a petition. So the KCH decided last year who they wanted to honor not the band. I'm pretty sure this is why they usually only honor solo musicians, artists, and actors.

[Eagles7]

Well, it's kind of a new issue since the many Eagle fans signed the petition , presented it to theKC, and they openly examined it and presented it to the Eagles for an opinion. The final word from the Eagles was just released last week, so that's really what this topic is about, and would remain about if everyone could be gracious as they give their opinions and not attack a long term Eagle who contributed much to the band and who has many fans on here.

The supposed fan term means how do you like a band, but despise and make demeaning remarks this many years later about one of its contributing members...who has a reputation by the way, as a really nice guy.

The KC would have decided last year to honor the Eagles .. The band. They would not have chosen which Eagles to honor...those names would have been submitted by the band. The band had an opportunity to approve the three mentioned on the petition, but they declined to do so. The petition proves there are many fans who feel The Eagles work comes from a body of seven. Oddly enough, no other fans have felt a desire to petition KC in the past, or as mentioned, band members had sadly passed before the honor was bestowed.

Ther is no dis-respect about the KC award. It's just not a true Eagles reward, which is about an artist(s) life body of work , if it is not including all of the 7 Eagles.

[chaim]

Well, I still don't see what it has do do with being or not being a fan of the band. I'm a big KISS fan and I follow the KISSFAQ forum every day. Members and ex-members are bashed for some reason or another almost every day there. But the bashers are still fans of the band - often even fans of the members they criticize. I'm a huge Gene fan, but I hate the "I say it like it is" side of his personality, especially when he has no idea what he's talking about.

As for the Eagles, Don Felder has called Glenn bipolar in public and at least on one occasion changed his story (from what it was in his book) to make Glenn look bad in an interview. But still it's a "Felder has forgiven them, they should get over it" situation. As long as Felder feels he has NOTHING to apologize for or not one word to take back himself, he's not above the rest of the guys IMO. And the pictures he chose of Glenn and Don for his book...There really isn't one pic of either one in his collection where they don't look like jerks? But I've said all of this before many times. It's just the way I see it. Do I qualify as a fan? I find that irrelevant. I love the music and I like most of the guys.

[MaryCalifornia]

Saying a member doesn't deserve this award is utterly harsh.



It's not that I don't think the three former members deserve the recognition - I would be thrilled if all 7 were recognized, I do believe they all contributed and it would be entirely appropriate to include them if the situation allowed. I think we all agree on this. Like everything else in life, this is about relationships, not who wrote what or sang what.

I don't recall any Borderer saying Randy, Bernie and Felder don't deserve it (maybe someone did). I think what's happening is we agree with the way it is being handled, based on the dynamics and the relationships and the history.

Do they deserve recognition - SURE. Are they going to get it - NO. Am I OK with this - YES, because including Felder was never going to happen and I completely understand why.

The people who think the former members should be present at the ceremony seem to think that they know better than the band who should be there - you would FORCE them to include the former members? With a petition? It's like junior high or something. I find all of this so bizarre.

[UndertheWire]

MC, thanks for putting that so clearly. I pretty much agree with you on all the points.

[Freypower]

I apologise to all who disagreed with my comments & found them harsh (even though in my initial reply I was simply restating that the last four members are the honorees & nobody else). I will make no further contributions to this thread. I also apologise for my 'laboured communication'.

However thanks to Brooke,Toni & MC for at least attempting to understand my point of view.

[VillageGirl]

FP, it's not so much the comments that are harsh, but the way you direct them at people that comes off as harsh and at times somewhat hurtful. In fact, I am at times hesitant to post as I am afraid I may get a snarky response from you.

I hope that you do continue to post your views as it would be a very boring world if we all held the same opinion.

[sodascouts]

This is a matter of one person's opinion, stated as if it were fact.

Kind of like Felder's book.




It's unclear how Felder drove the band to fire him. I suppose if you were partners in a company and everybody is supposed to get equal pay and then your check is $500 one week and the other partners are making $$1,000 each week and they won't let you in on the finances and you complain and they fire you...then that's your fault.

Unfortunately, it's not quite that simple. See the book thread. (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=585)


The perspective of the reader determines how his book is critiqued. Many have found it to be a pretty accurate picture of life in the Eagles. Some within the inner circle have corroborated Felder's story and Don and Glenn have done nothing to dispute anything in his book. It's an autobiography of his life before and during and after the Eagles. It's by no means dirty, and I'm sure he and any of the others could write dirty based on their road experiences. Any comments that he makes now are not snipes, but are usually comments about Glen or Don.'s talents. It's no secret that he would like to put a closure on these bad feelings, meet & shake hands and he is ready to do so, (he was screwed and treated badly too And appears to have forgiven ) but the others are not open to that. I get the idea he would love to play with Joe, he has said so on Twitter, but he would love to move past the bad feelings with all.



Again, please read the book thread (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=585). You make several inaccurate statements in your post. Reading the thread might open your eyes a bit and make you realize that not everything Felder says is actually true. Heck, he even contradicts HIMSELF!

Is it all false? Nah. There's truth in there. Is it all gospel? Hell no!

I cringe whenever I read posts that are essentially echoing everything he says with very little, if any, critical analysis. Some of the above post sounded like it could have been copied and pasted from Felder's Facebook, for Heaven's sake.

I know you mean no harm, Eagles7, and you truly believe Felder is a sweet guy who's telling the truth and has been terribly mistreated. I just wish people would look a little deeper before drawing conclusions.

Also, if you could comment in the book thread (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=585) instead of here, it would keep this celebratory thread from devolving into a rehash of that thread... an unpleasant one.

I will be moving any further comments about Felder's firing and book into that thread to help keep things organized.

[Eagles7]

Thank you for breaking that post down for me. My reply was not meant to discuss the book, but was just a statement on fact and opinion in reply to this post where the book is first mentioned:


No, not now more than ever. This is not an award for music; it is an award for cultural significance over the decades since the 70s. Like it or not, it was the last four members of the band who remained the most active & had the most impact for those decades. If you consider that Felder, who drove the band to fire him, sued them, wrote a nasty book & has done nothing but snipe at them ever since, including about the tribute to Glenn & now about this, deserves such a prestigious award, I'm afraid I must disagree. There are wider issues than 'he co-wrote Hotel California'. Henley doesn't want him there & I would imagine that for the Frey family the sight of him would be unbearable.

'Forgiveness'? Not right now.

It seems like some people respond in a harsh way if Don Felder's name comes up and you feel a little like you are being called down or punished. I'm not going to speak ill of Don & Glenn on here or any Eagle, but I would expect others not to speak in a very negative way about Don Felder or any other Eagles. I don't ever see anyone cautioned or redirected for some of the negative comments they make about him. They all made the music we love, and that is why some of us are disappointed that this occasion will not be a time when they can reunite and celebrate. They are grown men for gosh sakes.

Would it be better if there was a separate thread for fans who are disappointed that not all of the Eagles are being honored or would those posters be able to share those thoughts on this Kenedy Center thread? I think someone else tried to start another thread today and was redirected here. I'm not sure what is appropriate.

[chaim]

Whatever comments I have made in this thread have nothing to do with how I feel about Don Felder and Kennedy Center Honors. It was just the "supposed fan" term that caught my eye, because in my opinion it is not for someone else to say whether one is a fan or not. I don't have strong feelings about the subject itself, because, to be honest, those things don't interest me that much. But I certainly wouldn't have anything against Felder being honored.

[WS82Classics]

Whose place is it to judge another person's fandom of this band, any band, or really anything? Something about that just doesn't click for me.

Before I end my involvement with this particular thread, I just want to say I feel real low for involving myself in this conversation the way I did yesterday morning, dissing another poster's manner of communication.

I caved to my worst ever tendency, and I'm sorry. Lesson learned—I will NEVER do that again. If I slip up, do report me.

[UndertheWire]

I hope people will stay with the thread, but keep it on topic. We still have to speculate on who will do the introduction, who will perform and which songs.

My opinion is that message boards attract nit-pickers - and I count myself as one - and it's hard to resist joining in to pick holes in what other people post. Sometimes that's unintentionally hurtful and sometimes it takes the thread off track.

Continuing OT for a minute, if anyone wants to return to the Felder vs Henley-Frey debate, there's always this thread (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5438&highlight=side&page=17).

[Funk 50]

I'll be glad when the Kennedy Centre Honors is behind them. It's brought nothing but bad news so far, I just hope that there isn't more before December. :nervous:

I love listening to the music the Eagles made, I'm not interested in all the accolades and awards people chuck at them. The enormous riches they've all earned is, more than, ample recompense for their collective efforts.

Hopefully the next, post KCH, chapter will be something positive. :|

[shunlvswx]

IMHO. I think the replies that deals with the other three not being included should be moved to the other post that was started. I want to talk about who will sing their songs and who will do the introduction, but with everybody wants to bite each other's heads off with who should be honored or who are not "true fans" is making me stay far far far far far away from this thread which should be positive.

This has become a bashing thread. It has turned into this favorite against that favorite and its getting very old. Yes I get tired of getting my head chewed off for what I say, but when it happens I just don't say anything else after that because I get tired of that too.

Until something nice is said in this thread, I'm staying far away from this thread. I can't take it anymore. What should be a great celebration is turning into one side ok with the current members being honored and the other side is p'od because the former members are not being honored. I'm not enjoying seeing everybody bashing each other. This topic has gotten very old and very annoying.

I'm looking forward to December, but like Funk50 said. I can't wait for it to be over because I'm tired of this. We will never have harmony when it comes to something like this. I think I'm going back to looking at only Don Henley's post.

[chaim]

If anyone is going to leave this thread it should be me, because I'm not that interested in awards and honors. I will follow this discussion, but I don't have much to contribute. I just found the "supposed fan" term insulting , and I said what I wanted to say about that (and I don't consider it nitpicking :) ).

[Brooke]

I would also like to discuss who we think will perform, what songs, and who will do the introduction.

[UndertheWire]

I'm so out of touch with modern music and especially american music, that I'll struggle to come with names. I hope it won't just be their contempories. Is there a big country star who would be a good fit? Or maybe a young boyband who can do harmony singing? Then someone heavy metal or grungy?

[shunlvswx]

I have a feeling JD, Jackson and even Jack Tempchin will be there to honor the guys. Maybe one of them will be doing the introduction or somebody else.

Since some of the members of One Direction are fans of the guys, I wouldn't be surprised if they were asked.

Since Miranda Lambert sang at last year's show for the guys, if she's not busy she could come back this year. That's one big name from the country music side. Maybe Keith Urban or Lady Antebellum. I wouldn't be surprise if they ask Trisha to come since she's friends with Don. Vince has worked with the guys so he can come to sing any of the guys song. I love his version of I Can't Tell You Why. Maybe Travis Tritt since it was him that got the ball rolling.

I have no idea on the pop side. The only one I can think of is One Direction.

The rock side. I have no idea. Foo Fighters or so today's famous star from the rock side. What does Sheryl Crow sings. Pop or rock.

As for songs. Here's my list of maybe.
Hotel California(I would be very surprise if it wasn't included)
Take It Easy (I can see this song being sung)
Desperado (Maybe)
Best of My Love (maybe, but I don't expect it)
Heartache Tonight(a good chance)
Already Gone (a maybe)
I Can't Tell You Why (if they ask Vince, I could see him singing this song)
New Kid In Town(maybe, but I doubt it)
Peaceful Easy Feeling(a good chance)

[UndertheWire]

I thought of One Direction except they're taking a break.

Vince Gill and Trisha Yearwood? I don't know either of them but I've seen the names.

I think the introduction could be a past honoree. Steve Martin has already done the singer-songwriter jokes for Paul Simon, otherwise as someone who started out with them at The Troubadour, he'd have been good. What kind of state is Jack Nicholson in?

[shunlvswx]

I thought of One Direction except they're taking a break.

Vince Gill and Trisha Yearwood? I don't know either of them but I've seen the names.

I think the introduction could be a past honoree. Steve Martin has already done the singer-songwriter jokes for Paul Simon, otherwise as someone who started out with them at The Troubadour, he'd have been good. What kind of state is Jack Nicholson in?

Vince sang on a few songs on Cass County. Well known one on Cass County was No, Thank You. He plays a mean guitar and Vince click with everybody he sings with. He always sang I Can't Tell You Why on the Common Thread album which Timothy sang backup on this song. He also working with Joe on something and read that he was friends with Glenn. So Vince basically worked with all of them.

Trisha of course sang Walkaway Joe(her and Don's first duet together. Well Don sang backup and was in her video for this song), Inside Out, Words Could Break Your Heart (even though she sang backup on the album, they sang a duet on Austin City Limits) and Where I Am Now. If you heard of Garth Brooks. She's married to Garth.

Vince and Trisha were huge in the 90s.

Here are videos of Vince and Trisha.
One More Last Chance. This features his guitar playing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGfgIQfpbWI

I Can't Tell You Why. Instead of Vince doing the guitar solos, he has a clarinet player do the famous solos. I think Vince would had killed those guitar solos. I would had love to hear Vince play those guitar solos. I think he does do a few solos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=004JtBqVw3I

Here's Walkaway Joe. Trisha also did New Kid in Town on the Common Thread album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCdCuduv0H0

Trisha's version of New Kid In Town.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNM9sRiAAgg

[Delilah]

Given what has gone on with the petition, I think the Kennedy Center will go out of its way to have the tribute include a song from LROOE, probably "How Long" (ironically enough). I can see maybe Rascal Flatts performing it, or a group singing it together, like Brad Paisley, Jason Aldean, Keith Urban and Kenny Chesney (the latter 2 have actually performed TITTL at their live shows, to a great audience response).

Even though I like Trisha Yearwood, I hope more current female acts will be involved--Carrie Underwood, Kasey Musgraves, maybe Jana Kramer. I believe it's important to show the band continues to influence new artists.

I know it won't happen, but I would love to see George Strait sing "Last in Love" as a tribute especially for Glenn. The song probably isn't well known outside of country fans, but Glenn wrote it with J. D., and it's beautifully performed by George.

As far as rock/pop acts, I'm at a loss. Someone legendary from the 70s, hopefully.

[NightMistBlue]

I hope they don't ask the Foo Fighters; they're always asked. Neko Case or Sheryl Crow would be a better choice, IMO.

Maybe even someone from archrivals Fleetwood Mac!

[shunlvswx]

I don't know about Fleetwood Mac, but it would be interesting if Stevie was asked.

I forgot about Carrie. I think she can pull off an Eagles song.

Its really hard to pick somebody from the rock and pop genre. Country genre its not hard, but pop and rock is.

[sodascouts]

I'm sorry to sound a bit clueless, but does the band usually know the people who are performing in their honor, or does that not have much to do with it? I remember Don Henley performed for Billy Joel, and they're friends, but is it just friends who typically perform?

[UndertheWire]

In an interview last year, Don Henley said something about it was meant to be a surprise for the honorees but in practice they sometimes got involved because they had the contacts.

[LovinGlennGirl]

Miranda Lambert did a pretty good job with Desperado last year. Maybe she'll be back.

[shunlvswx]

I'm sorry to sound a bit clueless, but does the band usually know the people who are performing in their honor, or does that not have much to do with it? I remember Don Henley performed for Billy Joel, and they're friends, but is it just friends who typically perform?

I've seen where the honorees usually have worked with them before or never worked with them. An example, Miranda. Don knew Miranda since she sang on Don's album. James Taylor knew Carol but I don't know if he worked with Paul.

Jason Bonham had worked with Led Zeppelin but Jason knew those guys all his life.

So I say yes and no.

ETA: Oops, Soda. I think I misread your question. From what I heard, it suppose to be a surprise, but like UTW said. Don said in an interview sometimes they help and sometimes it suppose to be a surprise. So KCH could call on the Eagles friends to help honor them. I always wonder how they pick the people who pay tribute to the honorees.

[buffyfan145]

I agree I would love to see Miranda come back as well as see Vince Gill, Trisha Yearwood, Keith Urban, and Brad Paisley be a part of it. If they want a younger/current country band they could get Old Dominion. They did a tribute vid after Glenn passed away of "Peaceful Easy Feeling" and they too have similar harmonies and three of their band members take turn singing lead.

As for rock I was thinking maybe Bob Seger and if JD Souther or Jackson Browne could be involved. I'm not sure about current though as I keep thinking of more country artists since so many were influenced by them. Ryan Adams could count as he's more alternative rock with some country influence.

I'm really looking forward to seeing who performs too.

[MaryCalifornia]

I'm hoping for Taylor Swift (we have pics of the guys with her), some guys from One Direction, U2, Sia, Katy Perry, some big EDM star, some big country star, etc... Just kidding, we do need some Eagles contemporaries.

But seriously, I want whatever acts will get the show the most attention and views on YouTube!!!! Whatever will get the masses talking about the Eagles and Glenn. No offense, but Jack Tempchin and Jackson aren't going to raise the visibility.

Stevie would be entirely appropriate for all reasons.

[Jonny Come Lately]

I'm hoping for Taylor Swift (we have pics of the guys with her), some guys from One Direction, U2, Sia, Katy Perry, some big EDM star, some big country star, etc... Just kidding, we do need some Eagles contemporaries.

I'm glad you're kidding - to me personally that would be just about the worst line up imaginable! :eek: :woah: :eek:

(Sorry - none of these acts are my cup of tea!)

Seriously though, while I agree that some big names would be good, I only want performers whose chief interest is paying tribute to the Eagles and Glenn, and who will keep the emphasis on the band and the music. The last thing I'd want to see is someone who is likely to 'steal the show' (as I fear the likes of Swift would, but perhaps I'm just too cynical!). As you say, Stevie would be an absolutely fantastic performer to have, but I would strongly prefer it to be just her rather than Fleetwood Mac as a whole - I don't think Lindsey would be an appropriate choice, as great as he otherwise is.

[Brooke]

I really wasn't that impressed with Miranda Lambert last year on Desperado. I hope it's someone else. And I really like her I just didn't like that performance.

As far as who else will perform? Maybe Jackson Browne or Bob Seger and I assume someone newer like One Direction, although I don't have a clue about them or their music, but they have said they were fans.

How about Little Big Town? They can do those harmonies, for sure. When I first heard them on CMT they reminded me of them.

Sara Evans, Martina McBride, Trisha Yearwood, Keith Urban, Brad Paisley,......Many country artists have said the Eagles were an influence.

As far as the induction speech, I can't even imagine! Sting? Billy Joel? Stevie? Travis Tritt would have to have a chance since he was instrumental in hell freezing over! :crazy:

[shunlvswx]

From the years of watching KCH, usually the last song from that honoree's part is the climax from their whole segment. What is significant about the honoree that would surprise them at the end.

We also have to figure out who will show up at the end of their tribute. What was very significant about the Eagles that would surprised them at the end of their tribute. Plus who will knock it out of the park at the end.

Some examples. Veterans singing along to Goodnight Saigon with Garth and a choir (I think they were from NY) singing Piano Man with Rufus Wainwright, the performers and even the audience singing along. A choir wore a hat that John Bonham use to wear and sang with Heart on Stairway to Heaven. Aretha Franklin tearing down the house with Natural Woman. Firefighters and policemen singing Teenage Wasteland with Rob Thomas for the Who's tribute. There's so much more.

Like MC said, they had to get people who will have social media talking about them for days and even say the guys tribute was the best of the night. I know when Don did his tribute to Billy, everybody loved his part. I didn't hear not one bad thing about him.

I also think they will play a lot of their rocking songs like Life in the Fast Lane, Already Gone, One OF These Nights, Hotel California etc and maybe play their first big singles. Maybe one slow song. We want the audience to talk about their part for days and not say I didn't enjoy it or it was boring.

I think its going to between the Eagles and James Taylor's tribute ending the night. I hope its the Eagles.

[Freypower]

From the years of watching KCH, usually the last song from that honoree's part is the climax from their whole segment. What is significant about the honoree that would surprise them at the end.

We also have to figure out who will show up at the end of their tribute. What was very significant about the Eagles that would surprised them at the end of their tribute. Plus who will knock it out of the park at the end.

Some examples. Veterans singing along to Goodnight Saigon with Garth and a choir (I think they were from NY) singing Piano Man with Rufus Wainwright, the performers and even the audience singing along. A choir wore a hat that John Bonham use to wear and sang with Heart on Stairway to Heaven. Aretha Franklin tearing down the house with Natural Woman. Firefighters and policemen singing Teenage Wasteland with Rob Thomas for the Who's tribute. There's so much more.

Like MC said, they had to get people who will have social media talking about them for days and even say the guys tribute was the best of the night. I know when Don did his tribute to Billy, everybody loved his part. I didn't hear not one bad thing about him.

I also think they will play a lot of their rocking songs like Life in the Fast Lane, Already Gone, One OF These Nights, Hotel California etc and maybe play their first big singles. Maybe one slow song. We want the audience to talk about their part for days and not say I didn't enjoy it or it was boring.

I think its going to between the Eagles and James Taylor's tribute ending the night. I hope its the Eagles.

I said that I would not post in this thread again but I have one question. These awards are honouring multiple artists, not only the Eagles. Why do you think so many songs will be performed?

I have no opinions on either which songs will be performed, or who will perform them, but I hope they get someone more interesting than the usual country rock suspects.

[WalshFan88]

I am more a modern country fan than a classic country fan (which is why I like the later Eagles and not so much the older country, I like my country rockin' and more classic rock-y :D).

So I'd love to see Miranda Lambert, Carrie Underwood, Little Big Town, Dierks Bentley, etc. Even Luke Bryan or Jason Aldean if he can pull it off. Another good one would be Kenny Chesney, he's played with Joe a lot and I could see him doing one.

Then, I'd love to see the rockers of the world in the rock genre do some stuff of theirs, and do more of the heavier stuff in the later two 70s albums.

I really hope there will be some of my favorite Nashville artists on this, as it would make me more excited for it, honestly.

I thought ML did a fine job with Desperado, but that's just me.

[shunlvswx]

I said that I would not post in this thread again but I have one question. These awards are honouring multiple artists, not only the Eagles. Why do you think so many songs will be performed?

I have no opinions on either which songs will be performed, or who will perform them, but I hope they get someone more interesting than the usual country rock suspects.

I've been watching the KCH for years. Plus I went YouTube and watched other honorees tribute clips.

From what I've seen from watching for years and watching the other honorees clips from years past on YouTube. When the singers and dancers honorees are honored, their are usually between 4 to 6 songs that different performers sing. I don't remember how many people honor the actors and directors, but its usually between 4 to 6 songs for the singers and dancers.

The songs I listed are possibilities. The performers who are honoring the Eagles probably won't sing none of those songs I posted. I wasn't going by the amount that they will be sing.

We're just speculating who will sing and what songs that might be sung. I didn't know we couldn't do that. I think I'm going to stay quiet.

[Freypower]

I've been watching the KCH for years. Plus I went YouTube and watched other honorees tribute clips.

From what I've seen from watching for years and watching the honorees clips on YouTube. When the singers and dancers honorees are honored, their are usually between 4 to 6 songs that different performers sing. I don't remember how many people honor the actors and directors, but its usually between 4 to 6 songs for the singers and dancers.

The songs I listed are possibilities. The performers who are honoring the Eagles probably won't sing none of those songs I posted. I wasn't going the amount that they will be sing.

We're just speculating who will sing and what songs that might be sung. I didn't know we couldn't do that. I think I'm going to stay.

I said in the second part of my post that I had no opinion on which songs should be performed or by whom. All I said was I hoped it wouldn't just be country rock artists. Did I say you weren 't allowed to speculate? I was curious about the number of songs, that was all, and you have clarified that fror me.

Now, once again, I am out of this thread which has caused me nothing but trouble this week. I'm sorry I posted.

[sodascouts]

Yeah, FP, I think it's a good idea for you to retire from this thread because as I said earlier, I'd like it to be positive.

Anyway, I'd LOVE Stevie to be a part of this! Agreed that Lindsey should stay home, lol.

[NightMistBlue]

Joe Walsh knows/is friends with virtually everyone in music (I'm exaggerating only slightly - he's a popular guy!) so the possibilities are endless, but maybe his bro-in-law will make an appearance.

[shunlvswx]

Joe Walsh knows/is friends with virtually everyone in music (I'm exaggerating only slightly - he's a popular guy!) so the possibilities are endless, but maybe his bro-in-law will make an appearance.

So true. Joe knows about everybody. Don kinda do too.

Now that would be interesting to ask Ringo. Don was influence by the way Ringo plays drums. And all the guys actually were influenced by the Beatles. They either saw them in concert or saw them on tv.

If any of the rock side are asked to come, its going to be interesting in who will pay tribute to them.

[buffyfan145]

I would love if Stevie participates as well and love maybe Ringo. I also just thought of Eric Church as not only is he popular in country but some of his songs sound a lot like Southern rock or actual rock songs instead of country. Plus, he did include Glenn/the Eagles in his tribute during his performance at the ACM awards earlier this year. That is true Joe Walsh does know so many people too.

I remember Paul McCartney's segment during the ceremony was long too as were the other singers I've seen honored over the years. Like Shun said it'll be about 4-6 songs as well as the video telling the band's history and the speaker who introduces their segment. The actor ones are sometimes shorter but they'll have more people speaking about them and more videos of their film/tv roles.

[shunlvswx]

I would love if Stevie participates as well and love maybe Ringo. I also just thought of Eric Church as not only is he popular in country but some of his songs sound a lot like Southern rock or actual rock songs instead of country. Plus, he did include Glenn/the Eagles in his tribute during his performance at the ACM awards earlier this year. That is true Joe Walsh does know so many people too.

I remember Paul McCartney's segment during the ceremony was long too as were the other singers I've seen honored over the years. Like Shun said it'll be about 4-6 songs as well as the video telling the band's history and the speaker who introduces their segment. The actor ones are sometimes shorter but they'll have more people speaking about them and more videos of their film/tv roles.

I forgot Eric Church did that little tribute to everybody that died this year.

Including the speaker introducing, the video montage(which will probably be around 5 or 6 minutes), and the performers paying tribute(between 10 to 15 minutes). Their part is usually between 18 to 23 minutes. I've never seen one at 15 minutes, but I have seen some at 23 minutes and higher. That's why I hope the Eagles will be last because they might give them a lot of time. Its going to be between James and The Eagles of which honored will be shown last. I always wonder how they determine who goes first, second, and so on and so on, but its always an singer who's last.

It would be nice if Stevie is ask to come. Depending on how many people each honoree can invite as their guest, Ringo will probably be there anyway.

[UndertheWire]

Who will do the James Taylor tributes? There's an overlap when it comes to people influenced and possible performers.

As Carole King seems too obvious a choice for James Taylor, perhaps she could perform for or introduce the Eagles.

[shunlvswx]

Who will do the James Taylor tributes? There's an overlap when it comes to people influenced and possible performers.

As Carole King seems too obvious a choice for James Taylor, perhaps she could perform for or introduce the Eagles.

I would be surprise if Carole wasn't asked. She and James are close.

For James. I can see Garth coming back. I think he's a fan of James. Its kinda hard to figure out who will pay tribute to James. The only person I can think of is Carole. Another person I can think of James' ex-wife, Carly Simon. I wouldn't be surprised if she was asked. Other than those two, I can't think of anybody else.

[Scarlet Sun]

Another person I can think of James' ex-wife, Carly Simon. I wouldn't be surprised if she was asked.
um . . .

[shunlvswx]

Oops. I understand now what you meant, SS. OK. Scratch Carly from that list. I didn't know they weren't speaking to each other.

You can see I don't know jack about James. LOL

[LuvTim]

Oops. I understand now what you meant, SS. OK. Scratch Carly from that list. I didn't know they weren't speaking to each other.

You can see I don't know jack about James. LOL


SS and shun...LOL.....:-D

[travlnman2]

They could get Axl Rose. He has a good rasp for Some of Henleys more rocking vocals.

[chaim]

They could get Axl Rose. He has a good rasp for Some of Henleys more rocking vocals.

Now THAT'S a cool idea (I love G'n'R). I wonder what he thinks of the Eagles.

[MaryCalifornia]

Well, Don played with GnR, and Axl sang on Don's I Will Not Go Quietly, so I think they like each other, Chaim!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfIEKM-YsnY

(OMG Axl here...:inlove:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6UCrZUsJF4

[travlnman2]

Well, Don played with GnR, so I think Axl likes him!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfIEKM-YsnY

(OMG Axl here...:inlove:)


You just beat me to it.

Axl has the largest vocal range in all of music. He is so much better then in the 80s-90s he has a lot more control over his voice.



It would be criminal imo to not even consider Axl. He is the King of Rock N Roll this year fronting both AC/DC and Slash and Duff rejoining GNR.

[shunlvswx]

OMG. I forgot about Axl. Now that would be interesting.

[NightMistBlue]

Oops. I understand now what you meant, SS. OK. Scratch Carly from that list. I didn't know they weren't speaking to each other.

James won't speak to Carly; she would gladly speak to him.

Mr. Taylor is another one with a lot of friends. His eldest son and daughter are both singers, I wonder if they would appear?

[UndertheWire]

I was going to suggest CSN&Y but then I remembered that Y and N aren't speaking to C.

[shunlvswx]

I was going to suggest CSN&Y but then I remembered that Y and N aren't speaking to C.

I think I read N and S are not speaking to C and Y. I could be wrong.

[AlreadyGone95]

I really hope there's some diversity among the performers. I do think that having a modern country artist perform a song would be appropriate, but I hope they're not all of the same breed. I've never watched the KCH much before, so I don't know the number of artists that'll perform for each artist. I feel that one contemporary of the band is needed, but I have no idea who. I wonder if Jack Tempchin is too close to the band to perform Peaceful Easy Feeling or Already Gone.

[UndertheWire]

Joe's comment about how he doesn't think the KCH will be able to top Aretha Franklin last year, made me think that we should be looking for bigger names. How about Stevie Wonder? Paul McCartney? Adele? Sting?

I just realised that only one of those is american. So who is the american equivalent?

[shunlvswx]

Its funny. I was thinking of Stevie as one of the performers, but I kept it to myself.

Let's see. Paul knows Joe(I don't know if he know know the others). Glenn and Joe were at his birthday party. Paul could be asked. Sting is friends with Don. I wonder if Adele is a fan of the guys

Like I said earlier. Its kinda hard to pick what current popular pop or rock artist to pay tribute to the guys. I guess they do have to balancee out each genre.

[GlennLover]

Stevie Wonder was at Glenn's memorial service.

[LovinGlennGirl]

Read in an interview that Glenn liked Adele.

[shunlvswx]

Stevie Wonder was at Glenn's memorial service.

That's right and he also was on Don's album and sang on Nobody Else In The World But You

[buffyfan145]

Would love if Stevie was a part of it too. I could see Sting as well now with him writing his new song "50,000" for Glenn, David Bowie, Lemmy, and Prince.

[Funk 50]

Joe's comment about how he doesn't think the KCH will be able to top Aretha Franklin last year, made me think that we should be looking for bigger names. How about Stevie Wonder? Paul McCartney? Adele? Sting?

I just realised that only one of those is american. So who is the american equivalent?

I vaguely remember viewing a short video from Glenn, from his hospital bed, explaining why the Eagles had canceled some HFO gigs. The video started with Glenn finishing a telephone call from, according to Glenn, Mick Jagger.

[NightMistBlue]

Would love if Stevie was a part of it too. I could see Sting as well now with him writing his new song "50,000" for Glenn, David Bowie, Lemmy, and Prince.

Oh, that's right - Sting is friends with Don Henley. I think Billy Joel as well.

[Gnrguy]

Sucks Don is being a twat about this. The other guys should be there

[shunlvswx]

Oh, that's right - Sting is friends with Don Henley. I think Billy Joel as well.

Yep. Don is good friends with Billy. I think Billy sang Take It Easy and Desperado in his shows. He even his version of The Boys Of Summer.

[Shadowland07]

Sucks Don is being a twat about this. The other guys should be there

Really man? If you're looking to start some negativity here I suggest leaving.

[buffyfan145]

I just had another thought about maybe Bruce Springsteen? He would be a huge star in the rock genre to get and he did sing "Take it Easy" in tribute to Glenn as well in concert.

[sodascouts]

There are so many artists who are friends with the Eagles, have been influenced by the Eagles, admire the Eagles... the possibilities on who will be here are endless.

I don't think the performers have to be Americans - just the recipients - so you have a world's worth of options!

[UndertheWire]

I don't think the performers have to be Americans - just the recipients - so you have a world's worth of options!
The recipients don't have to be American, either - I believe Paul McCartney, Pete Townsend, Roger Daltry, Robert Plant, Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones are all still uk-based.

However, it makes sense to me that tributes to "An American Band" would mostly be american.

[sodascouts]

Hmm. It surprises me that one doesn't have to be an American to be a recipient. I thought this was supposed to be the US version of recognizing its own citizens who have excelled artistically. Guess not!

Well, that just makes it more of an honor for the Eagles, since they had to beat out Brits to get it. ;)

[LuvTim]

Hmm. It surprises me that one doesn't have to be an American to be a recipient. I thought this was supposed to be the US version of recognizing its own citizens who have excelled artistically. Guess not!

Well, that just makes it more of an honor for the Eagles, since they had to beat out Brits to get it. ;)

Speaking of Brits, I'll never forget watching the KCH when Heart did Stairway To Heaven, along with a large soulful choir to back them up. The effect was fantastic, and the LZ boys appeared more than pleased. :cheers:

[buffyfan145]

The KCH can honor anyone in the various Performing Arts industries as long as they made a huge impact in the US. The Eagles are the first American band to get it as the other two (Led Zeppelin and The Who) were UK bands.

I didn't watch Led Zeppelin's year but I remember hearing about and watching Heart's performance. :)

[shunlvswx]

Its true what BF said. A lot of the honorees from the past have been from other countries along with the American honorees. Wow!! Buffy. I forgot the Eagles will be the first American band to be honored.

From what I noticed, I think every year they usually have one or maybe two people from another country as an honoree. The rest are usually from the US.

[Brooke]

I'm so surprised that you don't have to be American based to receive this award! I know LZ and The Who received it, but never really thought about it.

[NightMistBlue]

We (Americans) don't really think of British people as "foreign," right? :) They're our buds.

[Brooke]

We (Americans) don't really think of British people as "foreign," right? :) They're our buds.

Of course, NMB. I've just always thought of this as an American award for american people. Really had no idea or really never thought about it in depth.

[Freypower]

We (Americans) don't really think of British people as "foreign," right? :) They're our buds.

If you look at the list of winners the non-American honorees have tended to be in the classical music field. That continues this year with pianist Martha Argerich. She is Argentinian.

The French give their Legion D'honneur to foreigners & the British give honorary knighthoods. Surely this is similar?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_Center_Honors

NB: This is just an observation.

[Funk 50]

The KCH can honor anyone in the various Performing Arts industries as long as they made a huge impact in the US. The Eagles are the first American band to get it as the other two (Led Zeppelin and The Who) were UK bands.

I didn't watch Led Zeppelin's year but I remember hearing about and watching Heart's performance. :)

I could be wrong but I can't recall Led Zep and The Who receiving any UK honours, even though they seem to be handed out willy nilly. I would've thought The Beatles would be the first pop/rock group to receive the Kennedy Center Honor, although they resisted all attempts to manipulate a reunion before Lennon died and couldn't be persuaded afterwards, presuming they were approached...:shrug:

[Freypower]

I could be wrong but I can't recall Led Zep and The Who receiving any UK honours, even though they seem to be handed out willy nilly. I would've thought The Beatles would be the first pop/rock group to receive the Kennedy Center Honor, although they resisted all attempts to manipulate a reunion before Lennon died and couldn't be persuaded afterwards, presuming they were approached...:shrug:

McCartney was given a KCH in 2010.

Robert Plant has a CBE & Jimmy Page has an OBE.