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shunlvswx

12-28-2016, 03:35 PM

I enjoyed the performances a lot more than I thought I would! But yes, it did seem that many of the peeps were nervous, understandably. Has Vince Gill recorded PEF? I shall look into that. I really liked his reading of it and his voice is wonderfully well suited to the song. Loved seeing Mr. & Mrs. James Taylor singing along too.

OT: James has aged into my Irish grandpa, the spitting image!

P.S. I didn't mind Gayle King being in the President's party, but what about that guy from the Daily Show?! He's not even American. Oh well. The President can invite whomever he'd like.

P.S.S. Joe's wife Marjory seems like a great gal, loads of fun.

No Vince never recorded PEF, but he did sing PEF a few days after Glenn's death on the Grand Ole Opry. So this wasn't the first time I've heard him do PEF.

I was reading Vince was getting some flake for his performance. What some people don't know about Vince is he's an emotional man. I've been following Vince's career since 1994. When he's paying tribute to one of his friends that just died, he gets emotional and you can hear it in his voice that he was getting emotional as he was singing one of Glenn's songs. I've seen him get emotional when he sings for one of his friends he's lost. Vince has done KCH many times. So I don't think it was nerves for him.

I think I would love to hang out with Marjorie and Cindy.

shunlvswx

12-28-2016, 03:39 PM

NightMistBlue. Here's Vince singing PEF at the Grand Ole Opry 4 days after Glenn's death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnlEu2kpAoA

NightMistBlue

12-28-2016, 03:50 PM

I was reading Vince was getting some flake for his performance. What some people don't know about Vince is he's an emotional man. I've been following Vince's music since 1994. When he's paying tribute to one of his friends that he had lost, he gets emotional and you can hear it in his voice that he was getting emotional as he sings one of Glenn's songs. I've seen him get emotional when he sings for one of his friends he's lost. Vince has done KCH many times. So I don't think it was nerves for him.

OK, that makes sense. I see he was having some of the same issues (lack of volume, hampered ability to sustain notes) at the Opry performance as at the KC so it probably was his emotions rather than nerves.

Kings of Leon did a real good job too.

shunlvswx

12-28-2016, 03:59 PM

Another event where Vince got emotional. When Vince sang Go Rest High On That Mountain at George Jones memorial service a few years ago, he couldn't get through the song. He got very emotional and Patty Loveless had to help sing some of the song until he was able to sing. Plus that song is very special to him since he wrote it about losing his brother and Keith Whitley.

Also. I notice with PEF. Vince was kinda singing PEF in his low voice range. He's usually sings high on majority of his songs. He was singing high on LITFL at the end.

sodascouts

12-28-2016, 07:56 PM

LovinGlennGirl

12-28-2016, 08:51 PM

Vince Gill getting emotional made me appreciate his performance more. I can go to YouTube and see bands doing note-perfect cover songs whenever I want. A performance with heart from someone who visibly cares - that's what I want to see.

I so agree, Vince made it real and you could tell he cared so much. Vince seems to be one of the honestly good guys in the business.

Brooke

12-28-2016, 09:32 PM

I just watched the Eagles part again. I think they all did an outstanding job on their songs. Can you imagine how hard it would be to sing someone's signature songs in front of them and in front of all those celebrities that were there? I can't. And I agree about Vince's song. You could tell he was touched doing it and truly loved the band. And Bob too. I had tears through the whole thing this time.

And this makes it even harder to realize that they are done as a band. :cry:

ETA: Linda's comments were wonderful. She called them her brothers. I wish she could have just been on video if she wasn't able to be there in person.

shunlvswx

12-28-2016, 09:43 PM

I also think Bob gave it his all on Heartache Tonight. He put it out there on that stage and I think he said he was going to do that and I think Glenn would be soo proud of his mentor.

I love that Linda narrator the video montage. She was the best person to do since it was her who got the ball rolling in the beginning. I loved when she called them brothers too. I really wish we saw the guys reaction when they heard Linda was during the narration. I know that montage really touched Taylor. The death of her father was still fresh on her mind and then hearing her father at the end probably got her crying.

Glenn had an amazing strong lady. I don't know how Cindy got through that whole weekend.

thelongrun

12-28-2016, 10:33 PM

Actually he was very very good and even played a Les Paul

No surprise he had a good one, the guy is good... The thing is I dont think he was the ideal Artist, the guy is good but unknown in the English music industry, and for that iconic signature Song of them... No nusic ADN there... Maybe some Richard Marx, Deacon Frey, just a thought, Ok.

thelongrun

12-28-2016, 10:36 PM

Thnaks so much Night.... CBS was asking for a register and payment Yesterday... I will look that. Thanks. JP

It wont play, not allowed due to the region Country... Shame...
I will try Youtube of course...

Delilah

12-28-2016, 10:57 PM

I was reading Vince was getting some flake for his performance. What some people don't know about Vince is he's an emotional man. I've been following Vince's career since 1994. When he's paying tribute to one of his friends that just died, he gets emotional and you can hear it in his voice that he was getting emotional as he was singing one of Glenn's songs. I've seen him get emotional when he sings for one of his friends he's lost. Vince has done KCH many times. So I don't think it was nerves for him.

I don't know if you're referring to my post or not, but fwiw, I've been a fan of his since the late '80s. I watched him win a Grammy for "When I Call Your Name", beating out more established, better known artists and it was a career-changer. He sings one of my all-time favorite country ballads, "Whenever You Come Around." And his go-to background vocalist is one of my favorite singers, Patty Loveless. I wasn't trying to give him flak, I was just making an observation that I've seen him do better. It's not the 90s anymore. But I also said that maybe I should watch it again.

shunlvswx

12-28-2016, 11:01 PM

My post wasn't directed toward you. I was mostly talking about the people on facebook.

thelongrun

12-28-2016, 11:12 PM

I just found it and watched. Nice job Juanes: I will take back that. But Seger, the best, what a show. 4 Songs only?

Here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS0LVUoEF3o

Delilah

12-28-2016, 11:17 PM

My post wasn't directed toward you. I was mostly talking about the people on facebook.

OK :thumbsup:

shunlvswx

12-28-2016, 11:50 PM

I just found it and watched. Nice job Juanes: I will take back that. But Seger, the best, what a show. 4 Songs only?

Here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS0LVUoEF3o

5 songs. Take It Easy, Peaceful Easy Feeling, Hotel California, Heartache Tonight and Life In The Fast Lane.

I really hate the video montage was cut out of that video. That's the best quality I've seen of The Eagles tributes on youtube. There's another one video that has the video montage and performances, but the quality is not good.

Somebody will put up a good complete clip later.

DivineDon

12-29-2016, 08:09 AM

I'm a Vince fan going back to When I call your name too and I've been lucky enough to see him twice. He puts on an amazing show but sometimes doesn't come across as impressive when he only does one or two songs. I agree that he was overcome with emotion - he was probably humbled and overwhelmed to be asked to contribute for Glenn, one of his idols and Peaceful Easy Feeling is such an iconic Glenn song!! I saw Vince's tribute to the late great George Jones and he was so distraught that Patty Loveless had to cover for him - they're sooo good singing together. He did a good job on LITFL when the others were with him.

As to the others, I have to admit to being disappointed apart from Bob of course. There just didn't seem any real 'guts' for want of a better word in either The Kings of Leon or Juanes' performances and yes I know they weren't singing their songs but think about how Don put such emotion into She's got a way about her for Billy Joel....but then not everyone's Don....:inlove:

It must have been cool to have Ringo introduce them given that both Don and Glenn admitted that The Beatles were huge influences on them. Imagine becoming friends with your childhood idols or in Joe's case a brother-in-law???

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shunlvswx

12-29-2016, 10:52 AM

I found this cute video of Mavis Staples singing I'll Take You There. You see Joe/Marjorie, Ringo/Barbara and Timothy in the video. This is from James Taylor's YouTube page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3sRLXTf5zs

Midnight Visitor

12-29-2016, 12:14 PM

What a snore. I guess Bob Seger did a good job but super weak compared to past honorees. Don being his usual stone faced self. He seems so unhappy there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS0LVUoEF3o

thelongrun

12-29-2016, 01:40 PM

5 songs. Take It Easy, Peaceful Easy Feeling, Hotel California, Heartache Tonight and Life In The Fast Lane.

I really hate the video montage was cut out of that video. That's the best quality I've seen of The Eagles tributes on youtube. There's another one video that has the video montage and performances, but the quality is not good.

Somebody will put up a good complete clip later.

Cool!

WalshFan88

12-29-2016, 09:02 PM

I watched the whole thing.

I'm going to rate the performances, which I think might be interesting, for me at least.

I'll just start by saying I enjoyed all of them, but some stood out to me more than others.

I'm probably showing my bias here but here we go:

Hotel California with Juanes (Steuart Smith and Steve Vai on gtr)
Heartache Tonight with Bob Seger
Life In The Fast Lane (with everybody)
Take It Easy with Kings Of Leon
Peaceful Easy Feeling with Vince Gill

A couple things:

I am not a Steve Vai fan, IMO he is great at technicality and precision, but looses some of the feel some bluesier less theory-intense guitarists have. He's a great guitarists but the weedly wees get on my nerves. I'd rather hear one bent note played with feeling. But anyway, I thought this was some of his better playing I'd heard. Still not a huge fan, but props deserved so kudos.

I'm not sure why Juanes was playing a electric guitar with just chords, I think it would have looked more appropriate with an acoustic capoed at 2nd fret like Glenn. It is a pet peeve of strummy-type rhythm players playing electric, god forbid on a clean setting. To me they are better served even in sound by getting a nice acoustic-electric and one that plays with great action. It reminds me of Thomas Rhett, who I actually really like a lot, running around the stage playing one chord during the choruses and then slinging it around his back and running around like it's not even there. Or Kenny Chesney (also a fan of him), who's electric has been photographed not even plugged in onstage! (no it wasn't wireless, there was no cord in the output jack). Totally for show. Or maybe DH with his Tele Deluxe. Although he plays more now, to be fair. lol

Lastly, I had no idea who Kings Of Leon were, but I thoroughly enjoyed their tribute. Granted, I like the rock-y stuff more, but they did a fantastic job! I will listen to their stuff and see if it is to my liking or not, but like Steve Vai, they deserve props for a great performance. So I was digging that one for sure.

All in all a good show. Am I still upset about the lack of any kind of recognition for the former three, very much so. But the artists asked to play did great!

NightMistBlue

12-30-2016, 10:19 AM

I am not a Steve Vai fan, IMO he is great at technicality and precision, but looses some of the feel some bluesier less theory-intense guitarists have. He's a great guitarists but the weedly wees get on my nerves. I'd rather hear one bent note played with feeling. But anyway, I thought this was some of his better playing I'd heard.

OT: I still think his best playing was in the "Crossroads" guitar duel!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMAkr_Z74E8

Funk 50

12-30-2016, 11:05 AM

.... I have to admit to being disappointed apart from Bob of course. There just didn't seem any real 'guts' for want of a better word in either The Kings of Leon or Juanes' performances and yes I know they weren't singing their songs but think about how Don put such emotion into She's got a way about her for Billy Joel....

Sex On Fire is Kings Of Leon's Funk #49 ie. if they realized they'd have to play this song for the rest of their lives, they'd have written something else. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reRhMXOZRFQ

Alwaysgreat to see an audience "in the moment" :-)

I notice Beyonce has covered it.

What would be the Eagles KCH equivalent of Don singing She's Got A Way for Billy Joel?

Mick Jagger singing Good Day In Hell or Hollywood Waltz maybe..:hmm::eyebrow:

Marshmaster

01-03-2017, 07:44 PM

Vector

01-03-2017, 08:29 PM

Watched the show and while Stuart Smith may be a good guitar player, he just couldn't carry Felder's water during that particular playing of Hotel California. It just didn't seem to have the edge that I have seen on other videos.

I'm glad that it's over and we can go back to our memories of when the music really ripped.

Marshmaster

He is a very good player and deserves more credit than he gets. After all, the guy has been with them since what, 2001? Yet he is never included in the pictures and is certainly not allowed to call himself an Eagle. :stunned:

That said, he is no Felder, and sadly I think it has effected Walsh over the years.
When Felder & Walsh played together, it was something magical, with both trying to outdo each other, thereby bringing them to new heights. Both have different styles to be sure, but that is another component of their magic together.
Seeing Walsh play with Smith seemed more like he was waiting for Smith, rather than be challenged and putting more zip into his performance. It is like playing with a huge enthusiastic crowd (where you feed of their energy), vs. a small venue that is sedate. In the latter you might just be playing while going through the motions vs. being pumped/enthused.

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travlnman2

01-03-2017, 08:29 PM

travlnman2

01-03-2017, 08:34 PM

He is a very good player and deserves more credit than he gets. After all, the guy has been with them since what, 2001? Yet he is never included in the pictures and is certainly not allowed to call himself an Eagle. :stunned:

That said, he is no Felder, and sadly I think it has effected Walsh over the years.
When Felder & Walsh played together, it was something magical, with both trying to outdo each other, thereby bringing them to new heights. Both have different styles to be sure, but that is another component of their magic together.
Seeing Walsh play with Smith seemed more like he was waiting for Smith, rather than be challenged and putting more zip into his performance. It is like playing with a huge enthusiastic crowd (where you feed of their energy), vs. a small venue that is sedate. In the latter you might just be playing while going through the motions vs. being pumped/enthused.

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Here is what Joe thinks of Steuart
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"[The replacement guitarist] is Stuart Smith. Sometimes I really hate him, 'cause he's really good. He really makes me play."

http://www.inmusicwetrust.com/articles/52h09.html

Vector

01-03-2017, 09:47 PM

Because Steuart Smith and Don Felder are two completely different guitar players....Only Don Felder can play like Don Felder. Steaurt is more of a Country Rock based player and Felder is a heavier blues player. Steaurt can go toe two toe with Felder anyday.

I gave the guy props, but lets not get carried away.

Here is what Joe thinks of Steuart
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"[The replacement guitarist] is Stuart Smith. Sometimes I really hate him, 'cause he's really good. He really makes me play."

http://www.inmusicwetrust.com/articles/52h09.html

I wont discount what you posted, as I don't know what goes on in Walsh's head (thank goodness for that) ;)
Still, Walsh is a go along to get along type of guy, and he is not going to speak unkindly of a fellow musician, especially one he has toured with for 15 years.
Don't get me wrong, I doubt he feels a lot differently that what he is saying, but you are not going to get him to be so ego driven as to say something that can offend Smith.
Walsh is in a special place on the stage in the pantheon of rock guitarists, rest assured of that.

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It was also kind of weird to see Smith performing with others there to pay tribute to the Eagles, when for all intents and purpose he is a member of the Eagles.

BTW - I was talking with a friend who is a Eagles fan, but not up on the individual names of the guys (though he does know Walsh from having seen him as a solo artist).
Anyway, he commented on how "the other guitar player didn't seem as good as he use to be".
I asked him what he meant, even though I knew what was coming. He had mistaken Smith for Felder, not really knowing what Felder looked like.
When I explained that Felder was has not been with the Eagles since 2001, he said "no way, why"?
I said, don't get me started. :lol:

travlnman2

01-04-2017, 08:17 AM

I gave the guy props, but lets not get carried away.

I wont discount what you posted, as I don't know what goes on in Walsh's head (thank goodness for that) ;)
Still, Walsh is a go along to get along type of guy, and he is not going to speak unkindly of a fellow musician, especially one he has toured with for 15 years.
Don't get me wrong, I doubt he feels a lot differently that what he is saying, but you are not going to get him to be so ego driven as to say something that can offend Smith.
Walsh is in a special place on the stage in the pantheon of rock guitarists, rest assured of that.

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It was also kind of weird to see Smith performing with others there to pay tribute to the Eagles, when for all intents and purpose he is a member of the Eagles.

BTW - I was talking with a friend who is a Eagles fan, but not up on the individual names of the guys (though he does know Walsh from having seen him as a solo artist).
Anyway, he commented on how "the other guitar player didn't seem as good as he use to be".
I asked him what he meant, even though I knew what was coming. He had mistaken Smith for Felder, not really knowing what Felder looked like.
When I explained that Felder was has not been with the Eagles since 2001, he said "no way, why"?
I said, don't get me started. :lol:

Steuart is just as good if not better then Felder. By the way that interview was from 2001 so he had been sober for almost a decade. Id the Eagles+Joe were not happy with Steauart wouldnt they have given him the boot like they did wih Felder? I am a guitar player so my opinon is maybe a little bit more vaild then
yours.

Why would you discount anyhing when it comes straight from the horses mouth?

Funk 50

01-04-2017, 11:01 AM

I am a guitar player so my opinon is maybe a little bit more vaild then yours.

That could've done with a run through spellcheck. I didn't realize that playing the guitar improved one's ability to form an opinion. One of the things I've learnt over many years is that the most valid opinion is rarely the best option. :shrug:

I was surprised to see Steuart on stage taking part in an Eagles tribute. It's almost like they were struggling to find willing volunteers. Maybe he was subbing for somebody who dropped out late in the day.

To get a fair comparison of Felder versus Smith, we'd have to hear Felder playing some of Smith's Long Road Out Of Eden tunes. :-)

Freypower

01-04-2017, 04:36 PM

That could've done with a run through spellcheck. I didn't realize that playing the guitar improved one's ability to form an opinion. One of the things I've learnt over many years is that the most valid opinion is rarely the best option. :shrug:

I was surprised to see Steuart on stage taking part in an Eagles tribute. It's almost like they were struggling to find willing volunteers. Maybe he was subbing for somebody who dropped out late in the day.

To get a fair comparison of Felder versus Smith, we'd have to hear Felder playing some of Smith's Long Road Out Of Eden tunes. :-)

Dig, dig, dig.

Don't you ever get tired of this?

And to Vector, Smith was NOT a member of the Eagles.

This has become the most divisive issue since Felder's book & I'm sorry about it. I just remind myself that Glenn was proud to have been a recipient of this honour.

travlnman2

01-04-2017, 06:53 PM

Vector

01-04-2017, 08:30 PM

Steuart is just as good if not better then Felder. By the way that interview was from 2001 so he had been sober for almost a decade. Id the Eagles+Joe were not happy with Steauart wouldnt they have given him the boot like they did wih Felder? I am a guitar player so my opinon is maybe a little bit more vaild then
yours.

Why would you discount anyhing when it comes straight from the horses mouth?

You know nothing about me, so I might have been your instructor for all you know. Regardless, being a guitar player does not validate your opinion over others who would disagree with you about Smith being better than Felder.
Is Hendrix really better than Page, or Page that much better than Clapton?
Heck, are any of them really better than Satriani?
Who is the best or better is really far too subjective.

Still Let me give you a quick question to see how astute you are (or think you are).
Out of all the Eagles guitar players, how do you rank them?
In order of their membership in the band;

1) Frey
2) Leadon
3) Felder
4) Walsh
5) Smith

Please don't hit me with the various styles being too different to compare, as part of me would agree with you.
But that is not the point of the exercise. Nor will we include their talents at writing musical scores/riffs. Just straight up talent with the strings.

In answer to your question, the answer is no. The only guys who got the boot so to speak over the years were the co-owners of Eagles Ltd., whether it be fired like Felder, or driven out. Note that after Leadon was disgusted enough to quit, Walsh was hired, not brought in as a partner. Meisner was bullied enough to quit, and again Schmit was hired, not made an equal partner.
Heck poor Smith was also hired, and cannot even call himself an Eagle even though he has toured with them for 15+ years.

So if any of the aforementioned guys tried to exert themselves, they would have been fired.
Instead, they know their place (including Joe & Tim), so the sole owners of the Eagles were content. Their days of empathizing with hired hands was overridden by their desire for control and greed.
Smith is a good little apparatchik within the dynamics of the Eagles, so he has not face the boot.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is a very good guitarist, and said so before our disagreement.
So he was not going to be fired since he is capable of playing their sets well.

Lastly, I didn't imply Walsh was stoned/fried, hence his comment. I was merely pointing out how he was not going to say something disrespectful of Smith to cause a rift within the group. Thus his comment must be taken as cordial respect without necessarily getting to his true feelings about how much Smith was capable of pushing him like Felder did.
Fair enough?

Vector

01-04-2017, 08:46 PM

Dig, dig, dig.

Don't you ever get tired of this?

And to Vector, Smith was NOT a member of the Eagles.

This has become the most divisive issue since Felder's book & I'm sorry about it. I just remind myself that Glenn was proud to have been a recipient of this honour.

I missed your comment when ready the other.

Yes I know Smith was not a member of the Eagles, and yet that is part of my point.
Here you have a guy talented enough to be hired by the Eagles to play Felder's parts. Had it been for a one off tour or something fine. But this guy was a trooper, and has essentially played some of their iconic music/riffs for over 15 years. Yet he does not even get to call himself part of the Eagles. This is taking a hired gun to a new definition well beyond what it was ever intended.
Technically Walsh & Schmit are only considered part of the Eagles, because both Frey & Henley had control over who was, and was not an Eagle. They have no legal say into anything, being just hired hands, not owners. Rest assured when the rubber meets the road, that is what mattered with Frey & Henley.

This of course comes full circle to the fact Henley, and Henley alone, made the decision as to whom would be receiving the Kennedy award since he is the sole owner now. Sure Azoff had influence via access and being the manager. But if push came to shove, Henley could have decreed anyone he wanted to be an Eagle, and no one could say anything different.
Having Smith play as part of the tribute was cheesy, but not surprising considering the aforementioned malcontent.
I'd like to think that if Frey had recovered from his near death experience, he would have seen the light (so to speak), and been more magnanimous than Henley is capable of.

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Freypower

01-04-2017, 09:52 PM

I missed your comment when ready the other.

Yes I know Smith was not a member of the Eagles, and yet that is part of my point.
Here you have a guy talented enough to be hired by the Eagles to play Felder's parts. Had it been for a one off tour or something fine. But this guy was a trooper, and has essentially played some of their iconic music/riffs for over 15 years. Yet he does not even get to call himself part of the Eagles. This is taking a hired gun to a new definition well beyond what it was ever intended.
Technically Walsh & Schmit are only considered part of the Eagles, because both Frey & Henley had control over who was, and was not an Eagle. They have no legal say into anything, being just hired hands, not owners. Rest assured when the rubber meets the road, that is what mattered with Frey & Henley.

This of course comes full circle to the fact Henley, and Henley alone, made the decision as to whom would be receiving the Kennedy award since he is the sole owner now. Sure Azoff had influence via access and being the manager. But if push came to shove, Henley could have decreed anyone he wanted to be an Eagle, and no one could say anything different.
Having Smith play as part of the tribute was cheesy, but not surprising considering the aforementioned malcontent.
I'd like to think that if Frey had recovered from his near death experience, he would have seen the light (so to speak), and been more magnanimous than Henley is capable of.

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What blind bit of difference does it make NOW? Seriously, what is the point of being outraged about Smith not becoming a part of the band now the band no longer exists?

I do not presume to know what Frey would or would not have done but if I had to hazard a guess, I believe he would have had the same beliefs about who was to be included in this honour* as Henley (presumably) did, so I cannot agree that Henley should take the (alleged) 'blame' for it.

I say again, and I will use a good old Anglo Saxon expression, what bloody difference does it make.

* The topic is about the Kennedy Centre Honours, not the structure of the band.

Vector

01-04-2017, 11:26 PM

What blind bit of difference does it make NOW? Seriously, what is the point of being outraged about Smith not becoming a part of the band now the band no longer exists?

I do not presume to know what Frey would or would not have done but if I had to hazard a guess, I believe he would have had the same beliefs about who was to be included in this honour* as Henley (presumably) did, so I cannot agree that Henley should take the (alleged) 'blame' for it.

I say again, and I will use a good old Anglo Saxon expression, what bloody difference does it make.

* The topic is about the Kennedy Centre Honours, not the structure of the band.

I can appreciate what you say, probably more than you might imagine. Being an Aussie, you might very well be of Irish decent, or at least penal colony decent. That certainly adds a bit of flavor to your perspective. ;)

Regardless, if one wants to take a Hillary view of "what difference does it make", then why even have a forum for discussions?
My thread

https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4257

has often been derided with similar sentiments. Yet other threads regarding the members looks (which obviously have changed significantly over the last 40 years) do not get the same scurrility.
Yet the same phrase could be used since it makes little difference who was the "hottest" then, now, or in the future. That is sadly and especially true since Frey's passing.
Right?

So don't be so dismissive of subjects that might not be flattering, yet jettison the same standards for opinions on pleasant adulation toward the members.

MaryCalifornia

01-04-2017, 11:44 PM

Freypower

01-05-2017, 12:46 AM

I can appreciate what you say, probably more than you might imagine. Being an Aussie, you might very well be of Irish decent, or at least penal colony decent. That certainly adds a bit of flavor to your perspective. ;)

Regardless, if one wants to take a Hillary view of "what difference does it make", then why even have a forum for discussions?
My thread

https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4257

has often been derided with similar sentiments. Yet other threads regarding the members looks (which obviously have changed significantly over the last 40 years) do not get the same scurrility.
Yet the same phrase could be used since it makes little difference who was the "hottest" then, now, or in the future. That is sadly and especially true since Frey's passing.
Right?

So don't be so dismissive of subjects that might not be flattering, yet jettison the same standards for opinions on pleasant adulation toward the members.

For all you know I could be neither.

Enjoy your echo chamber.

Vector

01-05-2017, 01:16 AM

For all you know I could be neither.

Enjoy your echo chamber.

Sorry the humor (i.e. humour) flew over your head without you understanding.

Funk 50

01-05-2017, 09:34 AM

I just assumed that the Eagles/Irving asked Steuart to be the "band leader" and maybe even the arranger for that performance of that version of HC, specifically the outro. Obviously musicians as talented as Juanes and his band would know how to play the song, but Steuart would be a good leader, and it was a nice way for him to be included in the ceremony. It was a gesture by the band to include him. They wanted him to be included.

That's a pretty good reason for Steuart to be on stage MaryCalifornia but I believe the organizers, rather than the honorees are responsible for the stage show.

Steuart isn't the longest surviving support musician. Drummer, Scott Crago has been with the band since HFO (1994), much, much longer than Bernie and Randy's tenure with the band and nearly as long as bassist, Darryl Jones's stint with The Rolling Stones.

DivineDon

01-05-2017, 11:11 AM

Being an Aussie, you might very well be of Irish decent, or at least penal colony decent. That certainly adds a bit of flavor to your perspective.

I'm afraid your idea of a joke was lost in translation - for a start the word should spell 'descent' and being Irish I do have a broad minded open tolerant view which I hope is what you meant by 'flavour'....

....and please refrain from presuming that you know Don Henley's mind and that he was the one who prevented the others being honoured. You and we have no idea what went on behind the scenes and I'm tired of people blaming him and of the whole KCH thing - I'm even sorry I started this thread!!!!

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MaryCalifornia

01-05-2017, 01:34 PM

That's a pretty good reason for Steuart to be on stage MaryCalifornia but I believe the organizers, rather than the honorees are responsible for the stage show.

In theory, yes, and for most artists, sure. But, knowing the Eagles as you do, do you think that they had no involvement? I just don't see them totally relinquishing control of the ceremony. I'm not saying they had a hand in the details, but I think at some level there was general oversight by Don and Irving in all aspects. Everything about the Eagles is always so carefully controlled, I would think they especially would want some control in this very high profile, final tribute to Glenn.

It would have been great if Crago had played on one of the songs. He definitely deserves it after touring with them day in and day out for so many many years.

UndertheWire

01-05-2017, 02:28 PM

Given that Irving represents many other artists, he may have been asked for suggestions for performers. I believe Henley said in one interview that although in theory it was the KC who chose the performers, those being honoured sometimes get involved because they have better contacts.

I've seen parts of the show on youtube. For me, it was ok but unexciting. There was nothing as spine-chilling as the Wilson sisters "Stairway to Heaven". On the whole, I like Eagles songs performed by the Eagles rather than anyone else, so I'm not surprised when I don't like other versions as much. I liked seeing Bob Seger singing Heartache Tonight with such gusto (and I loved JD Souther's performance earlier in the year).

I would have loved to have seen all seven past and current members of the band up there and looking happy and friendly and reconciled, but it's too late for that.

You may think me churlish, but I would not have wanted to see the three former members there without Glenn. Going by the Grammy tribute, there would be too many people jumping on it as evidence that the problem had always been Glenn and now he's gone they could all get together and carry on without him.

NightMistBlue

01-05-2017, 04:20 PM

Freypower

01-05-2017, 05:34 PM

Sorry the humor (i.e. humour) flew over your head without you understanding.

I understood it perfectly well, thank you, if it was indeed 'humour' (thank you so much for providing me with the British/Australian spelling). I did not think that responding to tired clichés about how Australians are either Irish or 'convicts' was worth a response, and neither was the rest of the condescension apparent in the post. So I would have preferred to let it go. However, as once again this reply drips of even more condescension, I will give you a reply.

I am of Irish descent and while not a 'First Fleeter' I do have ancestors who came here as convicts. So good for you. You hit the jackpot.

Now.... NMB, I don't believe Joe or TIm were ever full partners. Full members, yes, but not owners. Somebody correct me if I am wrong, as I inevitably am.

UndertheWire

01-05-2017, 05:43 PM

A couple of things were said on the previous page that I'm not clear on - if anyone can verify, I'd be grateful.

I thought when Joe and Timothy were hired, they were full partners in Eagles, Ltd., isn't that the case? Then I guess the structure was changed many years later.

What about now, is Henley the sole partner/owner?

UtW, just for the record, I find you charming and not a bit churlish. :)
NMB, that's the nicest thing anyone has said to me today.

You can run a business as a partnership or a corporation. Eagles probably started as a partnership but was incorporated in 1974. By the time Joe and Timothy joined, there were no partners, full or otherwise but there were shareholders. Neither Joe nor Timothy became shareholders but they were paid the same as the three members who were shareholders.

I had a stab at trying to explain how it worked in this thread (https://www.eaglesonlinecentral.com/forum/showpost.php?p=327906&postcount=5).

buffyfan145

01-05-2017, 05:50 PM

From what I know about the Kennedy Center Honors and having watched it on/off over the past decade the artists being honored aren't supposed to know who is performing their songs or how the Kennedy Center will honor them. I've heard this from artists who have performed there before and other honorees over the years like when Paul McCartney got honored a couple years ago as he had no idea what they were going to do till that night.

Vector

01-05-2017, 07:56 PM

I understood it perfectly well, thank you, if it was indeed 'humour' (thank you so much for providing me with the British/Australian spelling). I did not think that responding to tired clichés about how Australians are either Irish or 'convicts' was worth a response, and neither was the rest of the condescension apparent in the post. So I would have preferred to let it go. However, as once again this reply drips of even more condescension, I will give you a reply.

I am of Irish descent and while not a 'First Fleeter' I do have ancestors who came here as convicts. So good for you. You hit the jackpot.

Now.... NMB, I don't believe Joe or TIm were ever full partners. Full members, yes, but not owners. Somebody correct me if I am wrong, as I inevitably am.

I always like it when I am right. :mrgreen:
Not that you would know or care, but I have been part of a discussion group, a think tank if you will, on the "troubles" in Northern Ireland. Many an interested person resides down under now, whether it be by choice or force. So rather than take my tongue in cheek comment in the negative, understand that from my perspective, it is a badge of honour!

You are correct, Tim & Joe were never partners/owners, merely hired hands which went against the intial philosophy of the founding of the Eagles. However when Frey & Henley saw that they preferred to be the decision makers, that came to an end after Felder.

As to the condescension part, I suspect you are too sensitive to have taken offence. ;)
I may come across that way at times, but it is not really my intent.

:cheers:

MaryCalifornia

01-05-2017, 08:34 PM

You are correct, Tim & Joe were never partners/owners, merely hired hands

I don't know what this means. Tim and Joe write and sing lead on Eagles songs. They have an interest in song royalties, touring revenues, merch revenues, etc... - they do not get paid a wage by the band like backing musicians would. What does "hired hands" mean to you? I thought we all understood that they have a percentage share in the corporate property, albeit a smaller share than Don and Glenn.

Vector

01-05-2017, 09:55 PM

I don't know what this means. Tim and Joe write and sing lead on Eagles songs. They have an interest in song royalties, touring revenues, merch revenues, etc... - they do not get paid a wage by the band like backing musicians would. What does "hired hands" mean to you? I thought we all understood that they have a percentage share in the corporate property, albeit a smaller share than Don and Glenn.

To be clear I am big fans of Schmit & Walsh.

What I mean by that is simple.
With the original 4 (all equal owners in Eagles Ltd), Frey had declared that it was not going to be a group of sidemen, as they had all experienced that, and didn't want that within their own band.
That was also true when Frey offered Felder an equal share of Eagles Ltd to join them.
Thus at this point the professed philosophy was still there.

However when Leadon got fed up and left, Frey convinced the others to bring in Walsh. However, Walsh was not offered ownership, and instead was a hired hand, a sideman. The same is true of Schmit. So while they get paid well and are allowed to call themselves Eagles, when push came to shove, they had no control when the rubber hit the road. Either or both could be fired, but neither Frey nor Henley could.

Some people claim Frey & Henley became greedy and control freaks, so they were not going to repeat the same mistake they made with Felder, with the newer members.
Regardless of the reason/s, Walsh & Schmit were never on an equal footing, nor did they have control, despite their wonderful contributions like what you alluded to with writing/singing.

Vector

01-06-2017, 01:03 AM

I'm afraid your idea of a joke was lost in translation - for a start the word should spell 'descent' and being Irish I do have a broad minded open tolerant view which I hope is what you meant by 'flavour'....

....and please refrain from presuming that you know Don Henley's mind and that he was the one who prevented the others being honoured. You and we have no idea what went on behind the scenes and I'm tired of people blaming him and of the whole KCH thing - I'm even sorry I started this thread!!!!

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Reading my other reply, maybe now you better understand where I was coming from. However it matters not since my comment/humour was directed elsewhere.
Thanks for your spelling lesson, as if my vocabulary/spelling is significantly lacking. :lol:
Presumably a missed letter here or there can oc{c}ur without notice with any word.

As to presuming what goes on in Henley's or anyone of the members minds, sure I cannot say for certain.
However if you click the link in my signature, you will see that I have a thread showing significant research into the group from numerous sources. My views therefore evolved over time, and started without a negative bias. Yet my opinion of various members of the group (good & bad) are richly deserved.
But you decide for yourself by reading it, and let me know your view.

Slainte :cheers:

DivineDon

01-06-2017, 08:17 AM

Reading my other reply, maybe now you better understand where I was coming from. However it matters not since my comment/humour was directed elsewhere.
Thanks for your spelling lesson, as if my vocabulary/spelling is significantly lacking. :lol:
Presumably a missed letter here or there can oc{c}ur without notice with any word.

As to presuming what goes on in Henley's or anyone of the members minds, sure I cannot say for certain.
However if you click the link in my signature, you will see that I have a thread showing significant research into the group from numerous sources. My views therefore evolved over time, and started without a negative bias. Yet my opinion of various members of the group (good & bad) are richly deserved.
But you decide for yourself by reading it, and let me know your view.

Slainte :cheers:

You're right - it was a petty response on my part as I reacted to what I perceived as a condescending statement. I know that anyone can make a spelling mistake and for that I apologise.

I do not want to continue the debate on the individual members of the band given that you have already formed an opinion as have I and dissemination would be a futile exercise.

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NightMistBlue

01-06-2017, 10:19 AM

Vector

01-06-2017, 10:58 AM

You're right - it was a petty response on my part as I reacted to what I perceived as a condescending statement. I know that anyone can make a spelling mistake and for that I apologise.

I do want want to continue the debate on the individual members of the band given that you have already formed an opinion as have I and dissemination would be a futile exercise.

No worries.
There was no need to apologize, but the thought was nice.

As to my mind being made up, I still think it is evolving, as you can probably see if your were reading my thread on the subject.

Yet in some ways my view is solidifying when events like this occur and I see the animosity still exists.
Had the other members been invited to this event (thus Henley being magnanimous), that could have gone a long way to making me think he is coming around so to speak.
This was a perfect event to extend the olive branch, especially considering Frey passing, and his own mortality more evident. I'll bet deep down inside, many Henley fans wish that would be the case.

Slainte :cheers:

UndertheWire

01-06-2017, 11:05 AM

Oh that surprises me about Joe & Tim never being full partners. I thought on Disc 2 of HOTE, Tim explained that he was brought in as a full-on member and that "they didn't have to do that."

Sometimes I misremember things though - that's the kindest way to put it - so I will have to watch Disc 2 again. And the concert disc too, just to be very thorough. :rockon:
I believe Tim was brought in as a full member of the group, he just wasn't a shareholder. He has also said that he was listened to. Clearly, he wasn't a sideman and wasn't treated as such.

UndertheWire

01-06-2017, 11:37 AM

The KC Honors are over and the Eagles as a living band are done. We will probably never learn the reasons why certain decisions were taken and it doesn't really matter. It's over.

My believe, which isn't backed up by anything, is that Henley would not have overuled any decisions that were taken before Glenn died.

Vector

01-06-2017, 04:46 PM

I believe Tim was brought in as a full member of the group, he just wasn't a shareholder. He has also said that he was listened to. Clearly, he wasn't a sideman and wasn't treated as such.

Well I guess it is just a matter of perspective. Sure any talented guy like Schmit or Walsh will be listened to, and that is likely true of Smith as well. However when push comes to shove, Schmit/Walsh could be overruled, while Frey/Henley could not.

Understanding the gentle nature of Tim and his humility, I don't think he would want to rock the boat. Still if left up to him, I'd bet he and Joe would have voted to let Bernie, Randy & Don participate. Needless to say, it was not up to them, only Henley.

My believe, which isn't backed up by anything, is that Henley would not have overuled any decisions that were taken before Glenn died.

I think you might be right on that, so lets assume that is the case. It is not as if Henley was like Schmit or Walsh, not holding grudges. You can tell he is still bitter toward Meisner & Felder to this day. Somehow he got beyond his issues with Leadon, which is at least something positive.

Thus your speculation (which might be right) is somewhat undermined, because Frey was over any issues with Leadon, so why not at least invite him?

NightMistBlue

01-06-2017, 05:18 PM

We've discussed this before, and I think most Borderers would agree (what a dangerous statement!) that Henley & Frey didn't want to include Felder. Inviting Meisner and Leadon, while ignoring Felder, would probably not have been possible. When it comes to former members, it's take them all or leave them all. Can't pick and choose.

With regard to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, I got the notion - mainly from Joe's remarks on HOTE disc 2 - that he and Tim felt strongly that Meis and Leadon be included. That's speculation on my part, admittedly.

Mr. Meisner claims that his wife Lana asked Henley for a picture with him, and Henley stalked off without replying. There are also stories that during the performance, Randy's mic wasn't turned on. Deliberately.

L101

01-06-2017, 05:23 PM

Well I guess it is just a matter of perspective. Sure any talented guy like Schmit or Walsh will be listened to, and that is likely true of Smith as well. However when push comes to shove, Schmit/Walsh could be overruled, while Frey/Henley could not.

Understanding the gentle nature of Tim and his humility, I don't think he would want to rock the boat. Still if left up to him, I'd bet he and Joe would have voted to let Bernie, Randy & Don participate. Needless to say, it was not up to them, only Henley.

Why do you assume that Timothy and Joe would have voted to let Bernie, Randy and Felder participate ? You seem to take it for granted that all 5 of them are the best of friends and that Don Henley is the big bad bully who won't let them be?!?! They are big boys now and are well able to decide who they want honoured - obviously the final decision was made by the KCH and not Don Henley. This has been explained numerous times in this thread, if you would only take the time to read it instead of forcing everyone to read a thread you started 3 years ago that has no relevance to this thread.

I think you might be right on that, so lets assume that is the case. It is not as if Henley was like Schmit or Walsh, not holding grudges. You can tell he is still bitter toward Meisner & Felder to this day. Somehow he got beyond his issues with Leadon, which is at least something positive.

Thus your speculation (which might be right) is somewhat undermined, because Frey was over any issues with Leadon, so why not at least invite him?

Henley has no issues with Randy or Bernie. If he had issues with Randy, why would he, along with Glenn and the rest of the Eagles, pay his medical bills the last few years ??

As for the KCH, I think the current members were the right ones to be honoured but that's only my opinion :shrug:

Delilah

01-06-2017, 05:42 PM

The KCH are over and done with. There doesn't seem to be any point in continuing to debate this stuff. A lot of people have been left with certain impressions because of the way it was handled and I doubt that will change.

I'm hopeful that Don Henley's recent praise of Randy means he has softened his attitude towards him.

MaryCalifornia

01-06-2017, 06:02 PM

I'm hopeful that Don Henley's recent praise of Randy means he has softened his attitude towards him.

My perception is that none of the current Eagles or Glenn have had any lingering bad thoughts about Randy. It is good to see them step in and help (if that is true) when he is in need financially, but I can't imagine that he factored into their consciousness much at all over the past 38 years, good or bad. My point being, I don't think Don had any attitude towards Randy to soften. Same for Bernie. I don't think Don was mad at either of them. I think that the concept of including Bernie in the HoTE tour just worked out and they went with it, but not because Don was finally OK with him. And they would have included Randy if he was up to it. The only lingering bad feelings are towards Felder, for obvious reasons.

MaryCalifornia

01-06-2017, 06:12 PM

Why do you assume that Timothy and Joe would have voted to let Bernie, Randy and Felder participate ?

Agree. No basis for this whatsoever. My question is why WOULD they want those three to participate?

NightMistBlue

01-06-2017, 06:14 PM

I'm hopeful that Don Henley's recent praise of Randy means he has softened his attitude towards him.

Let us hope. I don't know if you've read the Marc Eliot book, but Henley and Azoff had pages of negative stuff to say about Randy.

Delilah

01-06-2017, 06:32 PM

My perception is that none of the current Eagles or Glenn have had any lingering bad thoughts about Randy. It is good to see them step in and help (if that is true) when he is in need financially, but I can't imagine that he factored into their consciousness much at all over the past 38 years, good or bad. My point being, I don't think Don had any attitude towards Randy to soften. Same for Bernie. I don't think Don was mad at either of them. I think that the concept of including Bernie in the HoTE tour just worked out and they went with it, but not because Don was finally OK with him. And they would have included Randy if he was up to it. The only lingering bad feelings are towards Felder, for obvious reasons.

I am speaking strictly about Don H and Randy's relationship based on everything I have read and observed. I believe Glenn genuinely liked Randy even though they did have their differences at times. I have no reason to believe either one of them (Glenn or Don) had anything against Bernie. I also think they helped out Randy b/c they wanted to do something for their former band mate, not necessarily b/c of financial need (at least, I've seen no evidence of this). And this is just speculation on my part but I bet it was Glenn's idea.

Delilah

01-06-2017, 06:46 PM

Agree. No basis for this whatsoever. My question is why WOULD they want those three to participate?

B/c they're nice guys with different perspectives due to being replacements and knowing that others paved the way for them? :shrug::-)

UndertheWire

01-06-2017, 06:57 PM

Let us hope. I don't know if you've read the Marc Eliot book, but Henley and Azoff had pages of negative stuff to say about Randy.
And Randy had some negative things to say about Henley, too.

I've read both Henley and Bernie talk about having an email correspondence even before the HotE tour.

Funk 50

01-06-2017, 07:42 PM

Freypower

01-06-2017, 08:08 PM

I think Tim, after graciously acknowledging Randy's input during The Rock'N'Roll Hall Of Fame Induction, may have thought of Randy as he watched Take It Easy, Peaceful Easy Feeling, Hotel California and Life In The Fast Lane being performed and felt a little relieved when Bob Seger started singing Heartache Tonight, no matter what the award was for. :eyebrow:

Both Walsh & Schmit were Eagles for far longer than Meisner & Leadon. I fail to see the relevance of Schmit only having played on Heartache Tonight. He played the rest of the songs live, for years, and yet you seem to imply that after all that he wasn't a 'real' Eagle because he wasn't on the previous records.

This event WAS NOT the Hall of Fame. It had nothing to do with acknowledging musical participation. It was a cultural award. They acknowledged the people who, like it or not, have been in the Eagles since the 1990s, as opposed to people who left 40 years ago, or in the other case was removed.

Vector

01-07-2017, 12:07 AM

1) Why do you assume that Timothy and Joe would have voted to let Bernie, Randy and Felder participate ?

2) You seem to take it for granted that all 5 of them are the best of friends and that Don Henley is the big bad bully who won't let them be?!?!

They are big boys now and are well able to decide who they want honoured - obviously the final decision was made by the KCH and not Don Henley.

3) This has been explained numerous times in this thread, if you would only take the time to read it instead of forcing everyone to read a thread you started 3 years ago that has no relevance to this thread.

4) Henley has no issues with Randy or Bernie. If he had issues with Randy, why would he, along with Glenn and the rest of the Eagles, pay his medical bills the last few years ??

1) As others have pointed out, whether it be the HOF or interviews, Tim was gracious and humble toward the former members, especially Randy. Is there really any doubt Tim would view life and the past strife differently than Henley?
He is a gentle soul, akin to Randy, and certainly not brooding and vindictive.

2) They were friends to be sure, and associated with each other much more so than Henley. This is evident in the various books.

As to the KCH making the final decision, I've read just the opposite in that Henley was asked whom should be honored, and they went with that. But lets not play pretend, as with Azoff being beyond a doubt a homer/puppet of Henley.
What Henley decided is what was going to happen, period.

3) I have read a decent amount of it.

That said, I am not forcing anyone to read my thread (which still has relevance today, despite many Frey/Henley fans not liking my observations). We are all adults, so people can choose to read or post in my thread if they like. Just as they can choose to ignore it.

4) The two things you mentioned are not mutually exclusive. According to a couple of the books (especially Eliots which gave Meisner a voice), the two didn't care for each other. Meisner also felt he was purposely undermined by Azoff via orders from Henley.

As to paying bills, we do not know who was responsible for that, but if I had to guess, it was more from Frey.
Regardless, it could very well have been guilt or charity considering how they are mega millionaires and Meisner didn't stand up for himself by practically giving up his shares for pennies.
To paraphrase Walsh, Meisner was akin to a beta, not an alpha like he was surrounded with.

chaim

01-07-2017, 03:43 AM

....You can tell he is still bitter toward Meisner & Felder to this day. Somehow he got beyond his issues with Leadon, which is at least something positive.

How can we tell that he is still bitter toward Meisner to this day? Marc Eliot's book, which you mentioned, came out in 1998, and Randy was probably feeling very emotional (disappointed) at the time, because the reunion thing was still fresh. When you're angry, you don't always think things through when you say them. I have the book, and if I remember correctly most of Randy's comments are based on his personal feelings at the time rather than G & D actually treating him badly. For example, according to Randy Glenn was friendly on the phone and agreed that they should get together at some point. But Glenn never called. This doesn't mean that Glenn and Don had issues with Randy. It just means that Glenn never actually picked up the phone and called Randy. When people say things like "Yeah, we should get together at some point for old times' sake", do they always give a call and actually do it? Having said that, you did say "Randy felt...".

And the relationship between Don H and Bernie has been ok for decades as far as I know. That became clear to me when Bernie had the official forum on his website. Don had even apologized for his I Wish You Peace/Patti Davis comments that fans, including me, were still raving about in the forum. Called it a "non-issue".

UndertheWire

01-07-2017, 07:36 AM

Vector,
a few points.

1) While Tim may be a gentle soul, he is not akin to Randy. One thing that comes across to me from Tim's recent interviews is his strength and objectivity. Also, that he doesn't like to be brought into other people's disagreements. I think he has also proven that his his loyalties are with Henley, in particular.

2) As far as friendship, Walsh and Felder were close in the late 70s. However from 1993, there was a friendship between Joe and Glenn. Tim has said that Henley was the one he was closest to during the break. Do not let yourself to be too influenced by Felder's book because that's just his side.

Bernie left before Joe and Tim joined, Randy left before Tim joined and there's nothing to just that they had a friendship outside of the band.

Azoff is noone's puppet and he knows how to handle Henley.

3) I read through your thread a few days ago. Perhaps you should do so too, as the flaws in your posts are addressed. Many of us have read extensively and have arrived at a different place to you. This is not a case of Henley/Frey fans being blinded by ignorance and bias.

Some people come across better in interviews than others but that may just be because they are better at performing fo the camera. I find it helps to look at what the people that know these people have to say. I also take into account the length of time some of the relationships lasted. We hear so much of the troubled relationships within the band and yet they remained together, in all incarnations, for longer than most bands. There is a lot of loyalty.

4) I also get the impression that Randy and Henley were never close and that Randy liked Glenn better. However, there's nothing to suggest that they still carry resentment towards each other.

In my internet trawling, I found references to Henley and Frey paying medical expenses for a couple of people (one of them a former roadie) and also an offer from Joe to pay medical bills for an old friend. It seems to be something they do.

I think the documentary opened up channels with Bernie and Randy. It may have reminded Glenn and Henley that they used to like these guys and it was all so long ago. Both sides were ready to forgive.

Meisner did not give up his shares for pennies. He gave up his shares in return for a royalty deal. If you search, you can find court reports about a lawsuit between Randy and his ex-wife that relates to this. Randy and his ex-wife have been receiving an income under this deal for nearly forty years. Bernie alluded to his Eagles income some time in the 90s, so he probably has a similar deal.

What these deals would not have forseen is that from the 1990s on, the money was made through touring rather than through record sales. In 1976, the name "Eagles", may not have had much value (compared to the back catalogue) but by 2001, it was the brand used to sell tours and merchandise sales. No wonder, Felder refused to sell his shares for a nominal sum. However, just because it wasn't a good deal in 2001, doesn't mean it was a bad deal in 1976/8.

shunlvswx

02-15-2017, 12:39 PM

Here's a better video of the guys tribute segment. I need to download this video before its gone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIzB4CcMoLA

LuvTim

02-15-2017, 09:56 PM

Thank you, shun! :-)

Dawn

02-21-2017, 11:44 PM

http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/13/c9/18/13c9189c9285955c742a771afc8f9cd5.jpg

I love all the pics of Cindy and family at the awards ceremony and other events associated with the KCH but this one is especially memorable. She looks positively radiant!

NightMistBlue

02-22-2017, 11:27 AM

She really is lovely, and so youthful-looking (in a natural way).

buffyfan145

02-22-2017, 12:13 PM

Love that pic of Cindy too!!! :D

Brooke

02-22-2017, 02:45 PM

She does look beautiful there! And seems so very happy! Good for her!

shunlvswx

02-22-2017, 03:01 PM

OutlawManNJ

03-12-2017, 02:20 AM

IMO, it should be all 7, just like RRHOF. It is quite a slap in the face to Bernie who has been touring with them for over 2 years. I am sure that Glenn and Don did it this way so they could keep Felder out. If they keep all 3 out then no one can say they are singling Felder out. It is pretty BS if you ask me. But I would expect nothing less from Glenn and Don. Again this is my opinion.

Dont mean to revive an old thread but somehow I missed this entire thread. A friend sent me a link to the Video of the event and by minute 3 of the video I was utterly disgusted that Meisner, Leadon and Felder were being totally ignored. Its shameful. And it doesn't matter what other bands did other years or what the rules are.. or what year they left the band....the bottom line is if THE EAGLES are going to be honored those guys SHOULD BE THERE. The clip Ringo introduced was waxing poetic about Timothy, a guy that got there on the last important album...and ignores Meisner? They talk about Hotel California and ignore Felder the guy that made the song happen. They ignore Bernie that gave the Eagles the sound in the first few albums. Utter and complete BS. Henley , Walsh and TBS should have been embarrased to go to that without the other 3. You cannot have an event talking about this band and simply WIPE OUT from their history 3 vital members.

Dawn

03-24-2017, 09:01 PM

I saw that picture on Instagram, but didn't post it. There's another one of her getting ready to go to the luncheon that Saturday.

Cindy is a beautiful lady. I loved both of her dresses she wore that weekend. Glenn was a lucky guy. All the guys were lucky to have beautiful, wonderful ladies who stood by them for so long.

Yes I definitely agree about the dresses and the other wives who looked beautiful at the concert and other KCH associated events. Really nice to see pics of their kids as well who were surely thrilled to see their dads honored in such a special way.

GlennLover

04-20-2017, 08:54 PM

As FP requested, the Freys with the Obamas. Sorry for the small size I guess I didn't save the larger one.

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss232/1Cdn/f6d55ecd-382c-4bc0-b593-eb823d505348_zpsiakjittu.jpg

Freypower

04-20-2017, 09:35 PM

Thanks GL.

maryc2130

04-21-2017, 09:37 AM

Very nice picture. I thought I had followed this thread pretty well, but maybe I missed it. Are there pictures of the other Eagles and their families with the Obamas as well?

shunlvswx

04-21-2017, 09:45 AM

I saw one with Don's family, but its not online anymore. I haven't seen one with Timothy or Joe's family.

New Kid In Town

04-21-2017, 11:31 AM

I know at one point pictures of the guys with their families were on Pinterest. I don't know if they are anymore.

Dawn

05-12-2017, 02:52 AM

Highlights from the 2016 Kennedy Center Honors awards including Timothy and Family, Don Henley & family, Joe Walsh & Family, Cindy Frey & Family

http://www.upi.com/Entertainment_News/Photos/Highlights-from-the-2016-Kennedy-Center-Honors-Artists-Dinner/fp/10749/

Only one I saw with the Obamas was Cindy Frey and Family. It was a beautiful photo.

shunlvswx

12-03-2017, 09:35 PM

Happy 1 year Anniversary of the guys getting their ribbons to be worn the following night.

New Kid In Town

12-03-2017, 10:46 PM

Wow, can't believe it's been a year already. Thanks Shun and Thanks Dawn for the link. Loved looking at the pictures again.

shunlvswx

12-03-2017, 11:49 PM

You're welcome.

This year's KCH gala was going on tonight. Its probably over and they are having a dinner reception right at this moment. I looked at the pictures to catch to see who was there this year. I haven't looked at the pictures from gala yet. I just saw last night and the red carpet.

shunlvswx

12-03-2018, 04:18 PM

Happy 2nd Anniversary of the guys receiving their KCH ribbons. I was looking back at all the pictures from that weekend. It was soo cool to see the Eagles' family for the first time or all grown up.

They just had the class of 2018 ceremony and gala performance this past weekend.

Page 16 starts Saturday's festivities and this page also includes Don, Joe, Timothy and Glenn's family. You have to go backwards to see all the pictures from that year.
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/kennedy-center-honors?family=editorial&page=16&phrase=kennedy%20center%20honors&sort=best#license

sodascouts

12-03-2018, 06:47 PM

Thanks for the reminder, shun. A well deserved honor.

Ive always been a dreamer

12-08-2018, 12:37 PM

One day this past week, I watched the band's televised presentation for their Kennedy Center Honors in order to celebrate the anniversary. I really enjoyed watching it even though it is always bittersweet that Glenn did not live to receive the honor himself.

shunlvswx

12-08-2018, 10:09 PM

I still have the special on my DVR. I really enjoyed the whole thing not just the Eagles.

I'll be watching this year's at the end of the month. I want to see Cher and Reba's tribute.

sodascouts

12-11-2018, 11:41 PM

I used to have the special on my DVR.... and then my DVR blew up last weekend.

I'm really sad not to have this saved anymore.

shunlvswx

06-24-2019, 11:33 PM

3 years ago today, the Eagles was named as one of the five honorees for the class of 2016 KCH.

sodascouts

06-25-2019, 11:50 AM

3 years ago today, the Eagles was named as one of the five honorees for the class of 2016 KCH.

Were they named as honorees three years ago today? For some reason, I thought it was closer to Glenn's death. Of course, June is pretty close.

CAinOH

06-25-2019, 11:58 AM

Were they named as honorees three years ago today? For some reason, I thought it was closer to Glenn's death. Of course, June is pretty close.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-2016-kennedy-center-honors-announced-20160623-snap-story.html

sodascouts

06-25-2019, 12:01 PM

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/la-et-cm-2016-kennedy-center-honors-announced-20160623-snap-story.html

Thanks. It was sweet of you to take the time to Google that. In reality, I should have done that myself, but I am so lazy I would rather just take shun's word for it and assume I'm just remembering wrong! Typically that is the case. lol

shunlvswx

06-25-2019, 12:19 PM

The second time it was 3 years ago. I don't remembered the first date when Glenn was alive.

I think i was off a day because I think we didn't get the comment from the guys until the next day I think. The memory popped up on my facebook page yesterday that's how I knew.

ETA: OK. I found the date. July 15th was the date when they were first announced to be in the class of 2015 before they postponed it until 2016.

sodascouts

06-25-2019, 01:26 PM

shunlvswx

12-04-2019, 10:48 PM

3 years ago, the Eagles were being honored at the KCH and also the White reception. The state department was the night before.

Linda will be honored this weekend and I think I remembered reading that Linda said she was going to be there. I can't wait to watch it on December 15th.

I couldn't found the picture of Don and Cindy grinning. That's my favorite picture.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/pictured-left-to-right-rock-band-the-eagles-joe-walsh-don-henley-and-picture-id627829016?s=2048x2048

shunlvswx

12-04-2019, 10:52 PM

Here's the segment for the Eagles honors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQa6-OArCag

The whole White House reception. He doesn't talk about the guys until 12:21 and they show all the honorees at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOF6KDO441M

Ive always been a dreamer

12-07-2019, 01:03 PM

Thanks shun for reviving the thread. I enjoy revisiting it. I think I have the photo of Don and Cindy that you are talking about. However, everytime I go to Imgur or Post Image to try to post photos here on the forum, they have changed it. I guess they make it really difficult because they must not want to encourage widespread usage. Go figure! Anyway, I can't figure out how to get the image to display here anymore, but here is a link to it. If you want to save the image to your PC, maybe you'll have better luck posting it than I did. Anyway, I leave this link up a few days in case you want to see it.

https://imgur.com/a/dKoMtA8